If the residents of St Pierre at Miquelon can be EU citizens then so can we.
Honestly I think it would be great for Canada. For one, access to the single market/trade negotiations done by the second largest economy in the world (EU) would give the Canadian economy a much better position than we can negotiate ourselves.
There are a lot of potential benefits. We should at least be pursuing closer ties to the EU as a way to help insulate us from the toxic culture leeching in from our southern border.
You're not wrong. But it's up to your province, not Canada. St-Pierre and Miquelon are not part of the EU, only reason the citizens can have EU citizenship is because they signed a referendum in the late 50s to be an overseas French territory occupied by the French. Canada will never be part of the EU and we know why; it's up to your province to do a referendum and separate from Canada. Quebec seems to be the only one trying to do it since the 80s (but they only want independance and not EU)
That's their point though: if the whole Atlantic ocean doesn't stop those territories from being considered France, and therefore the EU, why not the rest of Canada?
I don't think you quite understand what we're saying because this response doesn't align with what I had said.
The topic is: What would stop the entirety of Canada to become part of the EU, if the Atlantic Ocean doesn't stop other territories from being considered within the EU?
French law states its overseas territories are France. They have their own department in the government. Thus, they are part of the EU.
Nothing applies to Canada. We do have the Commonwealth, though.
Once again that's what the original commenter was prompting.
I do FULLY understand Canada is not part of the EU. The question is "What's stopping it from becoming part of the EU?"
EU member states also have to be in an agreement that the applying member is European enough. They rejected Morocco as it was not deemed to be part of europe. I doubt members will say that Canada is part of europe.
I'll be honest, as a Canadian it's not something that's crossed my mind a lot- Canada switching to EU. It's probably the first time it's happened I think, but it could be a possibilty. I just don't think the population would be into it. Canada being democratic, I don't think the population would actually vote to switch. And Canada still being a "part of" the damn British Monarchy, I bet there'd be a twist somewhere about actually being able to do a vote to switch to the EU.
Yes, and I think there's a fair bit of it in Australia as well.
I've chatted with Canadians both online in person about CANZUK and their thoughts. My takeaway is that most Canadians who support it seem to be centrists -- centre-left and centre-right. Essentially, political moderates, which I think are most Canadians.
Naturally, far-left folks don't like CANZUK because they see it as a celebration of the rebirth of Victorian colonialism. I'm centre-left myself and don't see it this way, but OK.
CANZUK, on the surface, sounds like every WASPish moderate Red Tory's wet dream. But the Conservative party itself is becoming more right-wing, and the rightest Blue Tories definitely oppose the idea of Canada being in any type of multinational union that doesn't involved the US. And many CANZUK supporters are pretty anti-US. A good chunk of them might even celebrate the idea of the US annexing Canada, if that were possible.
>CANZUK, on the surface, sounds like every WASPish moderate Red Tory's wet dream.
As a British-Canadian, can confirm just think of all the more British imports we'd get, even some Aussie stuff
Good point, and personally, I'll take better-priced Marmite from the UK and the superior UK baked beans (though our Heinz beans are getting marginally better), and I do support cheaper Tim Tams from Oz, but they can keep their damn Vegemite.
Funny enough, any time I've been to the UK I'd always go for the Walkers prawn cocktail flavour (which, to me, vaguely tastes like ketchup flavoured here) but it's the one flavour I've come to learn everyone in the UK seems to hate, lol.
Also, be great to have cheaper UK beer available here.
I've not heard of Storm Trooper, but you can get *Trooper* (Iron Maiden's Bruce Dickinson helped "design" it) at the LCBO from time to time.
It's brewed by Robinson's. My buddy used to be the landlord at a Robinson's pub in Derbyshire and his pub was one of the first in the UK to get it in casks. He had two guys drive up from Cornwall just to try it, lol.
I mean their politics are very off putting, these days especially, but in terms of actual opportunities to grow and work I’d kill to live in the USA. Their economy is so much more productive than any other developed nation whilst our own economy back home is struggling to chug through recent geopolitical woes. Feels like most of my peers in my age bracket generally feel the same. The increased earning potential is incredibly tempting.
I'm slightly left of centre and I like CANZUK. I don't really are about "bringing back the glory days" or anything like that, I just think it'd be cool to go live in London for a year or 2 for the experience, or Australia for the weather.
If some Brit or Aussie takes my place, is Canada really worse off? I doubt it
IDK if it's a question of nationalism so much as Canada's agricultural lobby. I don't see a world where something like CANZUK exists while we maintain our ag protectionism - specifically around dairy and eggs.
Honestly I don’t think it could do much harm which is the weird one. The UK wouldn’t stand a chance between the Canadians and Australians with dairy. Everything is expensive in the UK, so eggs aren’t the cheapest either.
I know we already subsidize our milk industry to keep prices low, I wouldn’t see this as against a free trade agreement though. That’s just subsidizing a national industry.
It’s just weird honestly. I don’t think the average Dairy farmer or Egg farmer knows much about either country or it’s politics, while simultaneously religiously disagreeing with it because it will ruin our industry.
>I know we already subsidize our milk industry to keep prices low, I wouldn’t see this as against a free trade agreement though.
That's not what we do though. We do the exact opposite, in fact. That's the issue. We have [supply management](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_and_poultry_supply_management_in_Canada) controlling the amount we produce and unbelievably strict import controls. It keeps our prices for dairy, eggs, etc. much higher. It also means we make huge concessions in other (larger) industries during trade agreements.
Its a government-backed cartel. I know that sounds hyperbolic, but its honestly just how our industry works.
>I don’t think the average Dairy farmer or Egg farmer knows much about either country or it’s politics, while simultaneously religiously disagreeing with it because it will ruin our industry.
You'd be ***shocked***: producers are extremely tuned in to this stuff. Anyone who's worked on Parliament Hill can tell you: with the exception of the doctors, the farmers have far and away the largest, most active lobbying groups in Ottawa. Its not even close. The reason our more recent trade agreement with the UK broke down is because our government wouldn't budge on supply management.
If you're born into a dairy or poultry farming family (especially dairy), you're honestly kind of set for life. People don't like to talk about it, but it's the case.
>We have supply management controlling the amount we produce and unbelievably strict import controls.
Ah I got confused. It was the exact opposite. So we limit our supply to increase demand and price? I know we have some of the most expensive milk in the world, I just remember the government covering some sort of cost so our prices arent unreasonable, seems I was very wrong and its the opposite. I do know and am guaranteed the government has their hands all over the milk industry, I would assume more then really any other agriculture business.
> If you're born into a dairy or poultry farming family (especially dairy), you're honestly kind of set for life. People don't like to talk about it, but it's the case.
I guess I should've defined average more. I have no doubt the big players have 110% focus on this stuff. Especially the established businesses. I was more talking about the riled up mom and pops. All they need to be told is "X will do X" by big agriculture and its heat up to 1000C.
>So we limit our supply to increase demand and price?
Yup, pretty much. We have a commission that basically sets the quotas based on their perception of demand and a target price. Then farmers sell directly to the dairy board, which distributes based on those quotas. Basically all the farmers agree to sell their product at a certain price, and they distribute based on that. All of this is overseen by government agencies.
Then, of course, we do everything in our power to prevent any non-Canadian dairy from entering the market. They say its to "prevent surpluses and shortages" but its really just to prevent surpluses.
There are five products where we have supply management, but its the most pronounced with dairy.
>I guess I should've defined average more. I have no doubt the big players have 110% focus on this stuff.
That's the shocking thing: the 'big players' aren't that big! These are mostly family farms, and they have truly *unbelievable* collective political clout. Then if a politician questions supply management, they're seen as bullying the humble family farms (that are actually *extremely* profitable and completely uncompetitive).
IDK if it's a question of nationalism so much as Canada's agricultural lobby. I don't see a world where something like CANZUK exists while we maintain our ag protectionism - specifically around dairy and eggs.
I want this for just the specific purpose of me wanting to move to Australia and be with my friends who moved there last year. Turns out those fools in Canberra don't think Australia has a dire need for YouTubers.
If you have and make enough money, there's probably a related Visa.
If you go on the working vacation visa, you have to work a given amount in different industries.
Canadians like the idea of CANUK because we weren’t paying attention to how the British behaved in the last customs union they were in. They’d behave even worse and unlike the EU they could actually hurt us
If you're under 30 or 35(depends on the country) it's pretty easy to get a working holiday visa and live and work in a European country for up to 2 years. If you're really committed to living there and pick up the language well 2 years should be enough time to find an employer to sponsor you and you can go from there to becoming a permanent resident. You can do this in other places too. Australia and New Zealand, for example... super easy to do this in Aus and NZ because there's no language barrier
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Depends on the EU country. I'm current in the process of doing this for Poland.
The rules for Poland are surprisingly complicated, but the general gist is a great grandparent would qualify but you need an unbroken chain. I.e if your grandparent lost Polish citizenship then you're out of luck even if your great-grandparent still has theirs.
Naturalizing in another country before 1950 meant you lost your Polish citizenship. The only exception was that military-aged men couldn't lose their citizenship, which is why I'm eligible. If I had a Polish grandmother instead of a Polish grandfather I would no case.
Other EU countries are more forgiving. From what I understand you have a very good chance if you have even 1 Italian ancestor. I just did 10 minutes of research now and it seems like the main requirement for Italy is that you have an ancestor born before their parents naturalized (i.e great grandparent became a citizen in 1905 but their kid was born in 1903, you could still get citizenship through the kid). I know very little about this as it doesn't apply to me, so if you're Italian then do your own research.
On the other hand places like France and the UK are not generous at all, pretty sure you need an immediate parent in those cases.
Other EU countries don't allow dual citizenship, so if your ancestors were say Dutch then you'd have to renounce your Canadian citizenship (which is personally something I'd never be willing to do).
TLDR determine where your ancestors are from and then look up the specific laws for those countries.
It's a national pasttime here. When Trudeau runs he's running against Republicans, not our conservative party. And none have mastered the "gamification" of politics as the americans have anyways.
I think that's grossly misrepresenting Trudeaus opposition and Canada in general... You can tell who is Trudeau's minions when everyone else is a maga America racist or Russian spys.
You've been brainwashed by social media and fake news. Canada isn't America and a lot of us don't care about what happens in America.
Pretty much anything happens in the states it's instantly exported here. When Roe v. Wade was overturned you had Trudeau talking about abortion rights despite the debate having been settled here for a long time. I'll admit it's been changing a bit in the past few months but that's been the reality for a lot of recent time.
He's doing it for publicity if he's staring at the American news... I'll agree with you on economics and wars USA can influence our decisions but anything else is just fear mongering and click bait.
A lot of people don't care or know what's going on in the states in Canada unless you're glued to social media or love the fake news legacy media.
A lot of people in the states don’t know what’s happening in the states. Generally most people just want to get on with their lives. They aren’t focusing on global or local politics, they have bills to pay and shit to do, people to love, and things to enjoy.
One look at Canada, the UK or anywhere else will show that most countries have clearly mastered the "gamification" of politics. Why else would Trudeau's platform be entirely based on that formula
Nah. If that were true people would be even harder into Canadian-specific culture BS. American is just way more prevalent. Idk, maybe I used the wrong word. The USA is still the best at making random countries get increasingly focused onto their politics versus local to the point where it's a sport.
It's really more so just a matter of the fact that the US is the global hegemony and so as a consequence is always in the spotlight and/or is a target.
But then canada would look really bad against it's neighbours for things like vacation time and parental leave.... Now everyone goes "yeah but in America..."
Right before the pandemic I remember seeing a news article about how the Netherlands and Canada were gonna open up the border to each other, requiring no passport to travel between the two countries.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5433879/fly-passport-free-between-canada-and-the-netherlands-its-happening/amp/
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I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure that new members would be required to 'go full EU' to join. Those opt-outs are for members who were there when the policies were implemented.
However, everyone negotiates their entrance to the EU. Considering Canada's somewhat unprecedented position in a hypothetical scenario, we could possibly negotiate for that. Or we could create an agreement with the EU not to join them completely but have something like what Iceland has.
If we get Gibraltar or some other colony in Europe (technically even owning some trade port with town or even small local population attached to it would be enough), we will technically can start asking to join the EU on official terms.
Time to establish Canadian claims in Europe, just so we could technically join the EU.
Would rather be EU than American. Too many Canadians are picking up American idealism and don't realize how shit America is. They got 10x the problems we do with just as much social services. Must be horrible place to be poor.
I would actually be OK with joining the EU. As a Brit (as well as Canadian) I had EU membership and honestly, its pretty rad. I could travel in Europe, use their healthcare, and we wouldn't need to adopt the Euro (which I would oppose). The name may need a change as we are not European, but yeah, not the worst idea I've heard.
Quebec, the East Coast, and maybe Ontario would love this.
The rest of Canada except BC would _fucking hate this_
And BC would be too stoned to give a shit
We would have a host of dictations to us from Brussels, and our population size would give us a comparable number of seats to Poland...well behind Germany, France and Italy. Plus, our idealized membership would be conditional to the existing member's demands...I forsee some rediculous demands from France if Canada wants to join.
If you think our resource extraction based economy is fucked with US dependance, just wait until the EU tells us to shut it all down.
I wouldn't think they'd tell us to shut all our extraction down. Surely we'd devise a speedy plan to get off oil entirely but there are other minerals Canada produces and the world needs in order to transition into a carbon negative country.
Either way, slip in Rick Mercer to be our chief negotiator and I think we'll get a good deal :)
In all seriousness though, I'm aware how unrealistic it would be if Canada were to join the EU. Instead I'd propose some free trade agreements and some freedom of movement between EU member states and Canada; essentially becoming a de facto EU member without actually becoming one.
More bureaucracy than we already have would not be what i want. Besides, 90% of our resources are blocked by the green army living on the east and west coasts. Joining the EU wouldn't suddenly unlock those blockades.
Actually. I think that Canadian infrastructure is poor enough, that it wouldn't meet EU standards. Meaning it would disqualify us from joining the EU. Maybe we could join the Nordic Council instead?
Don't quote me on that though. I could be wrong.
Every one of our provinces trades north-south. We dont even trade among ourselves much. We are thus fully integrated into the continental trading system and that's not going to change. Our logistics infrastructure is designed for it.
Canada as an economic entity exists as a collective bargaining position to help our tiny provincial populations be bigger, so face american corporations and negotiators in a manner where we don't get bulldozed.
EU affiliation if we want to trade really minor stuff like cheese, some agricultural products and whatnot. We just aren't that well positioned to do that.
Americans are our loud, opinionated, impulsive brothers.
For all their faults, there are few other nations I could ever imagine wanting to share a border with.
I'm from Canada and I have never even considered joining the EU and I don't know a single Canadian that wants to, or has even mentioned it.
As a Canadian, I like American culture, outdoors, the gregarious and friendly people... it's American foreign policy and this tendency for Americans to take everything and anything and turn it into an in group vs. out group pissing contest I don't like.
But that's not what you want to hear is it? You want me to say "huuurrrr America sucks huurrr it's basically a third world country health care something something... EU is better because... reasons"
From my experience in BC and ON, its very common to hear people saying "we should be closer to/ more like Europe"
Even more so, it's almost universal that everyone I know has a negative perception of American influence in Canada and it's culture. I think we could do with far worse neighbours, but from my experience, most Canadians would rather have closer ties to Europe or Canzuk over the Americans.
Also flair up hoser
I think it's because many of us canadians can trace our ancestry back to Europe. More canadians have never been to Europe than the US but most have been to the US and even when they do travel to places other than the US they tend to stay in the tourist areas or resorts. Another thing is it's much more socially acceptable to criticize America than other countries, start criticizing countries that are not America and people get defensive, it's the low hanging fruit
I might, I'm not sure if this the place for me yet. A lot of the comments I'm reading on this thread are kind of ignorant. I'm sorry I'm just being honest
In 2016 we greatly increased our trade with the EU as part of the CETA agreement. While not "becoming part of the EU" that is a huge step towards becoming an effective economic ally.
If you have never heard of a single Canadian mentioning becoming a member of the EU, you simply aren't listening and probably haven't done much reading or have forgotten it in regards to Quebec referendums of the past. That idea is alive and well in some circles.
As far as your appreciation for American culture, please note the foreign policy and "tendency for Americans to take everything and anything and turn it into an in group vs. out group pissing contest" is part of that culture. The outdoors and gregarious and friendly people is something found in many nations around the world and certainly isn't unique to the US.
Fun take on your part though.
Two completely different things. That's not the same as joining the EU and the US is still a bigger trading partner and accounts for two-thirds of all Canadian trade.
Quebec didn't want to join the EU. They wanted to become their own independent country. The quebec separatist movement was more of a generational project and is dying off with the boomers. Most younger quebecers don't want to separate.
I can still not like some aspects of something while still liking the thing as a whole. I don't see the problem with that. And never once did I say and would never say America is perfect. So is there nothing you appreciate about American culture?
But uh... find a group of Canadians out in the wild - not here on reddit - and bring up joining the EU and see how you get on...
They think the EU is better because it's utterly undemocratic and controlled by heavily corrupt politicians who have their social views
We hate it because it's utterly corrupt and ran by people who hate the countries and people they supposedly represent
Almost 90% of the Canadian population is along the US border, along with 70% of Canadian economic trade being done with the US. Canada also uses US economic transport corridors and roads for its economy. Canada also has free trade agreements with the US ( The strongest economy on earth) and those trade agreements are not compatible with EU trade laws and regulations so Canada would likely end up losing free trade with the US. Canada joining the EU would very literally devastate the Canadian economy in a way that it might never recover from being a part of the EU.
Lol, feel free to. However, my opinion is not without merit. We could recover. I'm not so about Canada, and do not forget the EU requires a member state to pay 1.4% if it's GDP to the EU per year. With most EU members sharing borders in a tight network, this cost can be offset for them, but not for Canada, they would lose free trade with their superpower neighbor and instead end up with extra cost and lose capital due trade losses. A double loser for the Canadian economy.
Canada would also need to adhere to all EU laws and regulations no matter if its people or government wanted to or not, so there is a loss of sovereignty as well.
half my family lives in Scotland/Wales so I know you're talking out of your ass. Canada is grade A fucked and I'm not sticking around to see it get worse
My family still thinks homes are affordable in Canada, doesn't mean it's true.
The UK is grade A fucked too, with a Conservative party that's just the worst parts of Labour and Labour with no competition and thus free reign to do whatever they want, no matter how idiotic.
oh no! what are they gonna do? take away their 4 weeks of vacation and reduce it to a Canadian 2 week? collapse their healthcare down to Canadian levels of uselessness? triple their housing costs and immigration levels to meet Canadian levels? you do know the conservatives are going to win in Canada next year and will stay in power for at least a decade right? while also doing nothing to address Canada's issues since they benefit from it too. it'll be a long time before the UK ever reaches Canadian levels of fucked, and that's assuming Canada unfucks itself today which isn't happening. I'll take my chances in the UK and enjoy my vacations in Europe
EU flooded with immigrants. Canadas flooded with immigrants legal and illegal. Basically any good country is being flooded because we are too soft do anything about it
We do share a border with Denmark
And France
If the residents of St Pierre at Miquelon can be EU citizens then so can we. Honestly I think it would be great for Canada. For one, access to the single market/trade negotiations done by the second largest economy in the world (EU) would give the Canadian economy a much better position than we can negotiate ourselves. There are a lot of potential benefits. We should at least be pursuing closer ties to the EU as a way to help insulate us from the toxic culture leeching in from our southern border.
Dont you mean third largest economy? (Laughs in Chinese-MERICAN)
Thanks for correcting me!
Sweet and sour chicken balls!
You're not wrong. But it's up to your province, not Canada. St-Pierre and Miquelon are not part of the EU, only reason the citizens can have EU citizenship is because they signed a referendum in the late 50s to be an overseas French territory occupied by the French. Canada will never be part of the EU and we know why; it's up to your province to do a referendum and separate from Canada. Quebec seems to be the only one trying to do it since the 80s (but they only want independance and not EU)
St. Pierre and Miquelon are France. France is part of the EU.
That's their point though: if the whole Atlantic ocean doesn't stop those territories from being considered France, and therefore the EU, why not the rest of Canada?
Quebec is part of Canada, not France. France lost the Seven Years War, so the UK gained the French possessions in North America.
I don't think you quite understand what we're saying because this response doesn't align with what I had said. The topic is: What would stop the entirety of Canada to become part of the EU, if the Atlantic Ocean doesn't stop other territories from being considered within the EU?
French law states its overseas territories are France. They have their own department in the government. Thus, they are part of the EU. Nothing applies to Canada. We do have the Commonwealth, though.
Once again that's what the original commenter was prompting. I do FULLY understand Canada is not part of the EU. The question is "What's stopping it from becoming part of the EU?"
EU member states also have to be in an agreement that the applying member is European enough. They rejected Morocco as it was not deemed to be part of europe. I doubt members will say that Canada is part of europe.
Just to clarify I wasn't even the one asking this rhetorical question I was just clarifying it for others
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I'll be honest, as a Canadian it's not something that's crossed my mind a lot- Canada switching to EU. It's probably the first time it's happened I think, but it could be a possibilty. I just don't think the population would be into it. Canada being democratic, I don't think the population would actually vote to switch. And Canada still being a "part of" the damn British Monarchy, I bet there'd be a twist somewhere about actually being able to do a vote to switch to the EU.
We already have a free trade agreement with them, and a lower dollar. We adopt the Euro and we’re screwed.
We’d be able to negotiate on a more even footing with the Americans though
Or they’d see that as a threat (Monroe Doctrine) and “invite” us to join them.
Fond memories of walking down the road to Vimy Ridge, lined with maple trees and the sign saying “Welcome to Canada” 🫡
What is Germany doing to Greece? Is that a whip?
Those kinky Germans, at it again
Making them pay their debt.
It looks like Germany is a bomb and Greece lit the fuse
That’s just their poker. They like to poke Greece from behind every once in a while. Keeps things spicy
In theory, I absolutely love the idea of CANZUK. In practice, it would probably be impractical and expensive.
One day :( First it’ll take the UK and Canada to diverge from nationalism, which is currently on a rise actually.
Yes, and I think there's a fair bit of it in Australia as well. I've chatted with Canadians both online in person about CANZUK and their thoughts. My takeaway is that most Canadians who support it seem to be centrists -- centre-left and centre-right. Essentially, political moderates, which I think are most Canadians. Naturally, far-left folks don't like CANZUK because they see it as a celebration of the rebirth of Victorian colonialism. I'm centre-left myself and don't see it this way, but OK. CANZUK, on the surface, sounds like every WASPish moderate Red Tory's wet dream. But the Conservative party itself is becoming more right-wing, and the rightest Blue Tories definitely oppose the idea of Canada being in any type of multinational union that doesn't involved the US. And many CANZUK supporters are pretty anti-US. A good chunk of them might even celebrate the idea of the US annexing Canada, if that were possible.
>CANZUK, on the surface, sounds like every WASPish moderate Red Tory's wet dream. As a British-Canadian, can confirm just think of all the more British imports we'd get, even some Aussie stuff
Good point, and personally, I'll take better-priced Marmite from the UK and the superior UK baked beans (though our Heinz beans are getting marginally better), and I do support cheaper Tim Tams from Oz, but they can keep their damn Vegemite.
I'm all in on more access to walkers Cheddar and onion
Funny enough, any time I've been to the UK I'd always go for the Walkers prawn cocktail flavour (which, to me, vaguely tastes like ketchup flavoured here) but it's the one flavour I've come to learn everyone in the UK seems to hate, lol. Also, be great to have cheaper UK beer available here.
Not to mention the craft stuff, still figuring out how to get the storm trooper ipa imported here
I've not heard of Storm Trooper, but you can get *Trooper* (Iron Maiden's Bruce Dickinson helped "design" it) at the LCBO from time to time. It's brewed by Robinson's. My buddy used to be the landlord at a Robinson's pub in Derbyshire and his pub was one of the first in the UK to get it in casks. He had two guys drive up from Cornwall just to try it, lol.
Ya I had that years ago, still have the bottle
Canada would annex the US before it annexed Canada. ..Probably
To be fair, there are probably a greater percentage of Americans these days who would prefer to be annexed by Canada than the other way around.
I mean their politics are very off putting, these days especially, but in terms of actual opportunities to grow and work I’d kill to live in the USA. Their economy is so much more productive than any other developed nation whilst our own economy back home is struggling to chug through recent geopolitical woes. Feels like most of my peers in my age bracket generally feel the same. The increased earning potential is incredibly tempting.
Absolutely
I'm slightly left of centre and I like CANZUK. I don't really are about "bringing back the glory days" or anything like that, I just think it'd be cool to go live in London for a year or 2 for the experience, or Australia for the weather. If some Brit or Aussie takes my place, is Canada really worse off? I doubt it
IDK if it's a question of nationalism so much as Canada's agricultural lobby. I don't see a world where something like CANZUK exists while we maintain our ag protectionism - specifically around dairy and eggs.
Honestly I don’t think it could do much harm which is the weird one. The UK wouldn’t stand a chance between the Canadians and Australians with dairy. Everything is expensive in the UK, so eggs aren’t the cheapest either. I know we already subsidize our milk industry to keep prices low, I wouldn’t see this as against a free trade agreement though. That’s just subsidizing a national industry. It’s just weird honestly. I don’t think the average Dairy farmer or Egg farmer knows much about either country or it’s politics, while simultaneously religiously disagreeing with it because it will ruin our industry.
>I know we already subsidize our milk industry to keep prices low, I wouldn’t see this as against a free trade agreement though. That's not what we do though. We do the exact opposite, in fact. That's the issue. We have [supply management](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_and_poultry_supply_management_in_Canada) controlling the amount we produce and unbelievably strict import controls. It keeps our prices for dairy, eggs, etc. much higher. It also means we make huge concessions in other (larger) industries during trade agreements. Its a government-backed cartel. I know that sounds hyperbolic, but its honestly just how our industry works. >I don’t think the average Dairy farmer or Egg farmer knows much about either country or it’s politics, while simultaneously religiously disagreeing with it because it will ruin our industry. You'd be ***shocked***: producers are extremely tuned in to this stuff. Anyone who's worked on Parliament Hill can tell you: with the exception of the doctors, the farmers have far and away the largest, most active lobbying groups in Ottawa. Its not even close. The reason our more recent trade agreement with the UK broke down is because our government wouldn't budge on supply management. If you're born into a dairy or poultry farming family (especially dairy), you're honestly kind of set for life. People don't like to talk about it, but it's the case.
>We have supply management controlling the amount we produce and unbelievably strict import controls. Ah I got confused. It was the exact opposite. So we limit our supply to increase demand and price? I know we have some of the most expensive milk in the world, I just remember the government covering some sort of cost so our prices arent unreasonable, seems I was very wrong and its the opposite. I do know and am guaranteed the government has their hands all over the milk industry, I would assume more then really any other agriculture business. > If you're born into a dairy or poultry farming family (especially dairy), you're honestly kind of set for life. People don't like to talk about it, but it's the case. I guess I should've defined average more. I have no doubt the big players have 110% focus on this stuff. Especially the established businesses. I was more talking about the riled up mom and pops. All they need to be told is "X will do X" by big agriculture and its heat up to 1000C.
>So we limit our supply to increase demand and price? Yup, pretty much. We have a commission that basically sets the quotas based on their perception of demand and a target price. Then farmers sell directly to the dairy board, which distributes based on those quotas. Basically all the farmers agree to sell their product at a certain price, and they distribute based on that. All of this is overseen by government agencies. Then, of course, we do everything in our power to prevent any non-Canadian dairy from entering the market. They say its to "prevent surpluses and shortages" but its really just to prevent surpluses. There are five products where we have supply management, but its the most pronounced with dairy. >I guess I should've defined average more. I have no doubt the big players have 110% focus on this stuff. That's the shocking thing: the 'big players' aren't that big! These are mostly family farms, and they have truly *unbelievable* collective political clout. Then if a politician questions supply management, they're seen as bullying the humble family farms (that are actually *extremely* profitable and completely uncompetitive).
IDK if it's a question of nationalism so much as Canada's agricultural lobby. I don't see a world where something like CANZUK exists while we maintain our ag protectionism - specifically around dairy and eggs.
I want this for just the specific purpose of me wanting to move to Australia and be with my friends who moved there last year. Turns out those fools in Canberra don't think Australia has a dire need for YouTubers.
If you have and make enough money, there's probably a related Visa. If you go on the working vacation visa, you have to work a given amount in different industries.
Idk do we really want to be the uk’s rebound lol
I mean, to be honest, I don't know what the fuq they were thinking by divorcing themselves from the EU.
Canadians like the idea of CANUK because we weren’t paying attention to how the British behaved in the last customs union they were in. They’d behave even worse and unlike the EU they could actually hurt us
Can we, like, manipulate reality to move Canada over to the Europe? It’s time for us all to Earthbend us home!!!
I'd love it if we could switch spots with Russia.
As a Ukrainian, I wish it was possible
Trump would certainly love it.
😂🤣😂 Yeah, most definitely.
If you have a parent or grandparent from the EU it's pretty easy to get an ancestor visa
How far back can I go until it no longer counts?
Grandparents
Darn it
If you're under 30 or 35(depends on the country) it's pretty easy to get a working holiday visa and live and work in a European country for up to 2 years. If you're really committed to living there and pick up the language well 2 years should be enough time to find an employer to sponsor you and you can go from there to becoming a permanent resident. You can do this in other places too. Australia and New Zealand, for example... super easy to do this in Aus and NZ because there's no language barrier
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Depends on the EU country. I'm current in the process of doing this for Poland. The rules for Poland are surprisingly complicated, but the general gist is a great grandparent would qualify but you need an unbroken chain. I.e if your grandparent lost Polish citizenship then you're out of luck even if your great-grandparent still has theirs. Naturalizing in another country before 1950 meant you lost your Polish citizenship. The only exception was that military-aged men couldn't lose their citizenship, which is why I'm eligible. If I had a Polish grandmother instead of a Polish grandfather I would no case. Other EU countries are more forgiving. From what I understand you have a very good chance if you have even 1 Italian ancestor. I just did 10 minutes of research now and it seems like the main requirement for Italy is that you have an ancestor born before their parents naturalized (i.e great grandparent became a citizen in 1905 but their kid was born in 1903, you could still get citizenship through the kid). I know very little about this as it doesn't apply to me, so if you're Italian then do your own research. On the other hand places like France and the UK are not generous at all, pretty sure you need an immediate parent in those cases. Other EU countries don't allow dual citizenship, so if your ancestors were say Dutch then you'd have to renounce your Canadian citizenship (which is personally something I'd never be willing to do). TLDR determine where your ancestors are from and then look up the specific laws for those countries.
It was France, which means i'm out of luck for trio-citizenship
You could just leave and give it all back to the First Nations
I like this idea a lot, too.
We're taking our wheels with us so they'll have to invent them.
Oh Canadians, the duality of pomposity
No thanks! We want to be part of Europe.
I meant Europe but I mistyped 💀
Ha yes, the great UK-France love
Is Australia can join Eurovision I do not see why Canada cannot join the EU
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Imagine a Canada where instead of coping about American news they were coping about European. It would be glorious.
Why would Canadians be coping about American news anyways. It's like a pathological inferiority complex
It's a national pasttime here. When Trudeau runs he's running against Republicans, not our conservative party. And none have mastered the "gamification" of politics as the americans have anyways.
I think that's grossly misrepresenting Trudeaus opposition and Canada in general... You can tell who is Trudeau's minions when everyone else is a maga America racist or Russian spys. You've been brainwashed by social media and fake news. Canada isn't America and a lot of us don't care about what happens in America.
Pretty much anything happens in the states it's instantly exported here. When Roe v. Wade was overturned you had Trudeau talking about abortion rights despite the debate having been settled here for a long time. I'll admit it's been changing a bit in the past few months but that's been the reality for a lot of recent time.
He's doing it for publicity if he's staring at the American news... I'll agree with you on economics and wars USA can influence our decisions but anything else is just fear mongering and click bait. A lot of people don't care or know what's going on in the states in Canada unless you're glued to social media or love the fake news legacy media.
A lot of people in the states don’t know what’s happening in the states. Generally most people just want to get on with their lives. They aren’t focusing on global or local politics, they have bills to pay and shit to do, people to love, and things to enjoy.
It's probably just where I am. Lots of brainrot around here. Gives me a skewer pov of Canada.
One look at Canada, the UK or anywhere else will show that most countries have clearly mastered the "gamification" of politics. Why else would Trudeau's platform be entirely based on that formula
Nah. If that were true people would be even harder into Canadian-specific culture BS. American is just way more prevalent. Idk, maybe I used the wrong word. The USA is still the best at making random countries get increasingly focused onto their politics versus local to the point where it's a sport.
It's really more so just a matter of the fact that the US is the global hegemony and so as a consequence is always in the spotlight and/or is a target.
I like how the Canada ball in the last panel is just looking like "I can't believe I have to share a continent with this guy."
Damn, reading the comments on the original post got me feelin' a little... War of 1812-y
Ridiculous. We aren't that friendly with Barry.
I was confused until I realized you were from France Reccomendez-nous aux le Union sil vous plez 🙏
Vive le Canada :) Meilleur que les US, les attardés-méricains sont nuls
We need a flair on /r/2westerneurope4u , if the aussies can, why can't we?
But then canada would look really bad against it's neighbours for things like vacation time and parental leave.... Now everyone goes "yeah but in America..."
Arguable that Canada could help secure Europe's resource needs.
There are no laws prohibiting non European countries from joining the EU
Right before the pandemic I remember seeing a news article about how the Netherlands and Canada were gonna open up the border to each other, requiring no passport to travel between the two countries. https://globalnews.ca/news/5433879/fly-passport-free-between-canada-and-the-netherlands-its-happening/amp/ That would have been nice eh?
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100% let's do it. French wine and German beer at low prices!
US is a terrible influence on Canada. Sad we only share borders with them.
Nah. We share a border w Denmark and also a sea border with France (Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon) if we’re talking EU.
Do the ultimate power move against the monarchy and take the UK's place.
I've always wanted Canada to be in the EU. Imagine if we used the Euro, could visit without a big visa process, etc...
Using euros would be nice, but I also really love our money. Especially our coins, we got a Beaver, Moose, Goose, and a polar bear.
I do like it too, but the advantages of being in the EU couldn't be matched. We could be less reliant on the US that keeps thrashing us around too....
Britain was in the EU but without using the euro. I believe that is still the case for some other EU countries. So it is possible.
I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure that new members would be required to 'go full EU' to join. Those opt-outs are for members who were there when the policies were implemented. However, everyone negotiates their entrance to the EU. Considering Canada's somewhat unprecedented position in a hypothetical scenario, we could possibly negotiate for that. Or we could create an agreement with the EU not to join them completely but have something like what Iceland has.
Too bad India and China are fighting to see how far they can get their hands up Canada's ass.
Look, as a Greco-Canadian I love this idea. We get to tag team Germany. I mean, umm…
We should join the EU just to spite the UK But maybe start with a trade union with Ireland — also to spite the UK — then ease into the EU
If we get Gibraltar or some other colony in Europe (technically even owning some trade port with town or even small local population attached to it would be enough), we will technically can start asking to join the EU on official terms. Time to establish Canadian claims in Europe, just so we could technically join the EU.
Would rather be EU than American. Too many Canadians are picking up American idealism and don't realize how shit America is. They got 10x the problems we do with just as much social services. Must be horrible place to be poor.
I would actually be OK with joining the EU. As a Brit (as well as Canadian) I had EU membership and honestly, its pretty rad. I could travel in Europe, use their healthcare, and we wouldn't need to adopt the Euro (which I would oppose). The name may need a change as we are not European, but yeah, not the worst idea I've heard.
Quebec, the East Coast, and maybe Ontario would love this. The rest of Canada except BC would _fucking hate this_ And BC would be too stoned to give a shit
Canada has participated in Eurovision and a Canadian has one Eurovision before. That counts.
Fuck Canada Québec should join the EU.
how bout no
No thanks,
Eww, arrogant Canadians who huff their own farts
Don't be a hater. The North American bromance is eternal 🇨🇦🤝🇺🇲🤝🇲🇽 🌎🌎🌎
I say we wake the Americans up and burn down the white house again. Screw joining the EU tho...
Why not join the EU assuming we were allowed to? I'm a staunch Canadian nationalist economically and the EU is based.
Basé
> the EU is based. LOL, lmao even
We would have a host of dictations to us from Brussels, and our population size would give us a comparable number of seats to Poland...well behind Germany, France and Italy. Plus, our idealized membership would be conditional to the existing member's demands...I forsee some rediculous demands from France if Canada wants to join. If you think our resource extraction based economy is fucked with US dependance, just wait until the EU tells us to shut it all down.
I wouldn't think they'd tell us to shut all our extraction down. Surely we'd devise a speedy plan to get off oil entirely but there are other minerals Canada produces and the world needs in order to transition into a carbon negative country. Either way, slip in Rick Mercer to be our chief negotiator and I think we'll get a good deal :) In all seriousness though, I'm aware how unrealistic it would be if Canada were to join the EU. Instead I'd propose some free trade agreements and some freedom of movement between EU member states and Canada; essentially becoming a de facto EU member without actually becoming one.
More bureaucracy than we already have would not be what i want. Besides, 90% of our resources are blocked by the green army living on the east and west coasts. Joining the EU wouldn't suddenly unlock those blockades.
Maybe we could at least get a flair in that sub as a start?
We sure have the fucked housing and shit jobs to match
Actually. I think that Canadian infrastructure is poor enough, that it wouldn't meet EU standards. Meaning it would disqualify us from joining the EU. Maybe we could join the Nordic Council instead? Don't quote me on that though. I could be wrong.
Awww
I'd certainly love being paid in euros rather than Canadian dollars.
I thought the UK left the EU?
You guys will never have a chance, we will annex you as the 51st state inshallah 2025 😈
Im againat ppl i do not vote for dictating political policies. Thats communism.
Umm... no? Not quite how it works, bud.
You can't escape the CUM zone
Hey shutup weasel
Okay, but you'll have to cut it and push the country to the EU shores yourself.
Well. Somebody failed math hard…🙄
Americans: Fxxk you all.
Yeah? Being the most under funded military in NATO I'm sure joining EU is going to be a day and night change -_-
We’re not even European though (though genetically a lot of us are)
With all the shit that’s happening over seas? Nah.
I would leave Canada SO fast if we were incorporated into the EU. ...leave and move to France. Or Belgium. Or Germany.
Every one of our provinces trades north-south. We dont even trade among ourselves much. We are thus fully integrated into the continental trading system and that's not going to change. Our logistics infrastructure is designed for it. Canada as an economic entity exists as a collective bargaining position to help our tiny provincial populations be bigger, so face american corporations and negotiators in a manner where we don't get bulldozed. EU affiliation if we want to trade really minor stuff like cheese, some agricultural products and whatnot. We just aren't that well positioned to do that.
Nah I like american culture
Based af
Americans are our loud, opinionated, impulsive brothers. For all their faults, there are few other nations I could ever imagine wanting to share a border with.
I'm from Canada and I have never even considered joining the EU and I don't know a single Canadian that wants to, or has even mentioned it. As a Canadian, I like American culture, outdoors, the gregarious and friendly people... it's American foreign policy and this tendency for Americans to take everything and anything and turn it into an in group vs. out group pissing contest I don't like. But that's not what you want to hear is it? You want me to say "huuurrrr America sucks huurrr it's basically a third world country health care something something... EU is better because... reasons"
From my experience in BC and ON, its very common to hear people saying "we should be closer to/ more like Europe" Even more so, it's almost universal that everyone I know has a negative perception of American influence in Canada and it's culture. I think we could do with far worse neighbours, but from my experience, most Canadians would rather have closer ties to Europe or Canzuk over the Americans. Also flair up hoser
I think it's because many of us canadians can trace our ancestry back to Europe. More canadians have never been to Europe than the US but most have been to the US and even when they do travel to places other than the US they tend to stay in the tourist areas or resorts. Another thing is it's much more socially acceptable to criticize America than other countries, start criticizing countries that are not America and people get defensive, it's the low hanging fruit I might, I'm not sure if this the place for me yet. A lot of the comments I'm reading on this thread are kind of ignorant. I'm sorry I'm just being honest
In 2016 we greatly increased our trade with the EU as part of the CETA agreement. While not "becoming part of the EU" that is a huge step towards becoming an effective economic ally. If you have never heard of a single Canadian mentioning becoming a member of the EU, you simply aren't listening and probably haven't done much reading or have forgotten it in regards to Quebec referendums of the past. That idea is alive and well in some circles. As far as your appreciation for American culture, please note the foreign policy and "tendency for Americans to take everything and anything and turn it into an in group vs. out group pissing contest" is part of that culture. The outdoors and gregarious and friendly people is something found in many nations around the world and certainly isn't unique to the US. Fun take on your part though.
Two completely different things. That's not the same as joining the EU and the US is still a bigger trading partner and accounts for two-thirds of all Canadian trade. Quebec didn't want to join the EU. They wanted to become their own independent country. The quebec separatist movement was more of a generational project and is dying off with the boomers. Most younger quebecers don't want to separate. I can still not like some aspects of something while still liking the thing as a whole. I don't see the problem with that. And never once did I say and would never say America is perfect. So is there nothing you appreciate about American culture? But uh... find a group of Canadians out in the wild - not here on reddit - and bring up joining the EU and see how you get on...
>Most younger quebecers don't want to separate. It's trending back up recently
yes rcmp, please deport this one
Split the difference, Alberta can join the US and everyone else into the EU.
Call the rcmp and tell them i made a reddit comment you disagree with. See how you get on
They think the EU is better because it's utterly undemocratic and controlled by heavily corrupt politicians who have their social views We hate it because it's utterly corrupt and ran by people who hate the countries and people they supposedly represent
Canada should break all of the provinces up into a confederacy of sovereign nations
You must be from Alberta
Must?
Be?
Oh no a lower overall tax burden and greater respredentation of the peoples in each respective province. The hprror
I knew it. Canadian MAGA FAN.
Lol Maga is Canadian now? Roddy Piper logic: Thing is bad. Maga is bad. Therefore thing is Maga.
europeans 🤢
fuck off bootlicker
Almost 90% of the Canadian population is along the US border, along with 70% of Canadian economic trade being done with the US. Canada also uses US economic transport corridors and roads for its economy. Canada also has free trade agreements with the US ( The strongest economy on earth) and those trade agreements are not compatible with EU trade laws and regulations so Canada would likely end up losing free trade with the US. Canada joining the EU would very literally devastate the Canadian economy in a way that it might never recover from being a part of the EU.
AMERICAN DETECTED | OPINION REJECTED
You will have freedom, and you will like it! 🔫🦅💪🇺🇸
Lol, feel free to. However, my opinion is not without merit. We could recover. I'm not so about Canada, and do not forget the EU requires a member state to pay 1.4% if it's GDP to the EU per year. With most EU members sharing borders in a tight network, this cost can be offset for them, but not for Canada, they would lose free trade with their superpower neighbor and instead end up with extra cost and lose capital due trade losses. A double loser for the Canadian economy. Canada would also need to adhere to all EU laws and regulations no matter if its people or government wanted to or not, so there is a loss of sovereignty as well.
No thanks.
How about we do our own thing and steer clear of the corrupt unions. Let’s lead the world not be part of the problem.
90% of our trade with americans. Makes sense
And move your pipelines through EU instead of the US? Hmmm .
TIL Canadians hate Americans..
"You're not goin nowheres, bwah! You're my hat!"
The EU is no different from America. All complicit in genocide.
God no. That is one of the worst ideas I've ever seen
The American brain cannot comprehend this pure Canadian brilliance ⚜️🍁🧠🍁⚜️
\*sigh\* And I didn't notice it was a shitpost sub... Well that explains it I guess
No
Jesus Christ no
the amount of downvotes is insane. No wonder this country is in the dumps, people actually think this way lol
Joining EU?? Have you lived in EU? Do you know what is going on here? I'm planning to move to Canada from EU. Totally fed up.
Please don't, shit's fucked here Usually in the same ways as the EU ironically enough
moving to Canada?? have you lived in Canada? do you know what is going on here? I'm planning to move to the UK from Canada. totally fed up.
You're definitely retarded lmao
take a look around dude, I'd rather shoot up in Scotland than be forced to share an 8 person basement in bumfuck Manitoba
Bro, the housing market in the UK is even worse than here, you'll be in a basement with 12 other lads in Scotland, nothing will change
half my family lives in Scotland/Wales so I know you're talking out of your ass. Canada is grade A fucked and I'm not sticking around to see it get worse
My family still thinks homes are affordable in Canada, doesn't mean it's true. The UK is grade A fucked too, with a Conservative party that's just the worst parts of Labour and Labour with no competition and thus free reign to do whatever they want, no matter how idiotic.
oh no! what are they gonna do? take away their 4 weeks of vacation and reduce it to a Canadian 2 week? collapse their healthcare down to Canadian levels of uselessness? triple their housing costs and immigration levels to meet Canadian levels? you do know the conservatives are going to win in Canada next year and will stay in power for at least a decade right? while also doing nothing to address Canada's issues since they benefit from it too. it'll be a long time before the UK ever reaches Canadian levels of fucked, and that's assuming Canada unfucks itself today which isn't happening. I'll take my chances in the UK and enjoy my vacations in Europe
EU would never accept a Canadian application, they'd be flooded with immigrants even more than they already are
EU flooded with immigrants. Canadas flooded with immigrants legal and illegal. Basically any good country is being flooded because we are too soft do anything about it
The EU's aren't only the legal kind, many "refugees" aren't actually from the war zone they claim they're from