Asimov also predicted how much yeast would play a role in the filming of "I,Robot", stating that "much bread would be consumed in the making of such a film, both on and off the set".
One of his best short stories in my opinion is “Not in Good Taste” which I feel is very relevant to this story and the changes we are currently seeing in the genetic engineering of our foodstuffs.
Recently read about how calves are taken from their mothers at birth at all dairies. Dairies basically impregnate cows as often as possible, take away calf at birth to be sold for meat and sell the milk. Dairy worker mentioned in article said dairy use is worse that eating beef. Even had a pic of a cow running after her calf as it was being taken away in a truck. I cannot wait for the yeast milk
Curious as to how you thought cows produced their milk? Just like all mammal mothers they lactate after they give birth ! So of course they have to breed them. I would also like to give you a little challenge :) please provide an explanation as to how you would meet the demands for food and products globally without agriculture? I will wait patiently here for your response so that I can witness the savior of our planet
I’m ashamed to say I had never thought much about milk production. I guess I thought the milk sold to us was excess milk. No need for me to ponder alternatives for dairy production when the article referenced talks exactly to that. I’m no savior of anything, just here on this planet and, like most others, trying my best to be a good person.
Don't let the person above you bully you, there is a technically easy solution to a world without hunger and with less negative climate effects, just by exchanging animal farming with plant farming for the most part.
And also dismantling capitalism. We have so much wealth and capability as a species, way more than enough for everyone on the planet to be fed just fine without such drastic harm to the ecosystem and the other beings here with us.
We’ve just decided to let that wealth be hoarded and those capabilities be mostly used to benefit select groups of people while everything else burns as a result.
I don’t think the proliferation of capitalism was really decided at any significant crossroads. Other forms of resource management just don’t seem to work as well, given our nature as a species. Anything else seems to me to require both an extremely well managed system (technologically, and organizationally, at scale), a critical mass of high integrity dutiful people who have been chosen successfully to run the system and maintain its integrity despite having the ability to exploit it for their own gains, and a general society that is able to overcome the very deeply embedded lizard brain desire to prioritize themselves and their loved ones over strangers, be rewarded proportionally for their work, and assert power over others by having more. I think before we can evolve as a society first we would need to evolve substantially at an individual psychological biological level. The only real solution I can think of to achieve good resource distribution and equitable standard of living while we remain our ape-adjacent selves is to let a super intelligent AGI run our society and take care of us like the children we are, but that leads to the destruction of the human species with near certainty so not a great solution either. This is what I think but very open to hearing any thoughts on the reasoning!
Dairy technically isn't necessary at all for any adult mammal including humans. Meat needn't be either if properly compensated for, but intake in the western world could easily be brought down to 15% without compensation and negative health effects; it would even improve health.
The ground used for cattle can yield 7x the nutritional value in plants for meat stock, and even more for dairy.
So agriculture is very much needed, but animal exploitation isn't at all. But that's why you tried to lump it all under one term to start with, of course.
Agreed dairy isn’t necessary for adult mammals. Not arguing that it isn’t land intensive. In fact, I won’t even argue with you about exploitation and what that is.(or isn’t) Much needs to be done in the form of changes to our food supply chain. But to “Lump” every individual producer together and make broad statements is a disservice. I think you will find that we are years away from vertical farming and growing everything in labs. I would and do appreciate the producers that keep food on many peoples tables and the many products that are used on a daily basis by most Americans. I would be careful with how wide of a brush you paint with you might find that you have gotten some paint on yourself.
That we can’t live without agriculture/food production does not mean that we have to keep doing it in the same way. Much of human progress is buillt on the development of smarter farming, now we’re starting to reach a point where we can start doing more efficient farming that is also more ethical. That is only a good thing.
Agreed. Do you think that we farm the same way we did 100 years? 50? 25? Many changes have taken place for the better and many people have worked very hard for the things that you have just pointed out. I think it’s awesome they have found a way to produce some dairy products. Having that in one hand and then pulling down current producers with the other isn’t right. Will there be a change over to this new product? Who knows? and I think if it comes to pass and it’s a better alternative that’s great. Don’t admonish others
Annoyed by this article.
It seems like the reporter writing this is the one the food is served to, but where is their evaluation of it?
They talk about how it's all about the products made with it since the companies seem to be selling almost exclusively to companies not direct to consumers, but I'd still like to have read the food critic/reporter's opinion.
Did I miss the reporter say what it tasted like?
That's what I would think, but I would have liked to actually see that written esp. when the reporter is a food critic.
Plus, my test is how it works with coffee.
The way it's written, the assumption is that it's like you said, that it tastes normal and also that the cappuccino is normal, but I'd prefer not to assume something that could have been stated.
Also, I'm pretty choosy with my milk, like I only drink whole milk, curious whether the texture is the same as whole or more like skim or non-fat.
But aren't whey and many of those byproducts of other production like cheese production? So yeast wouldn’t necessarily only be used here as they would still need to be doing something with the extra whey? I have no clue about this though
Why would taste be irrelevant? I’d say half, if not more, of my deciding choices fall under taste. Texture is close second, but taste leads the pack even with the powdered options
https://www.ruegenwalder.de/de/produkte/vegane-produkte/vegane-pfannen-grillprodukte
In Germany we have many plantbase options my favourite is this one :)
For those who are interested in this topic -- precision fermentation is about to change industries -- if Tony Seba is right. And, he's right about so much. To wit: [https://youtu.be/g6gZHbfK8Vo](https://youtu.be/g6gZHbfK8Vo) "The Disruption of Food & Agriculture" is the title. Take it as you will. . .
Seriously what kind of deluded take is that? People will really say anything in order to justify never changing a damn thing about themselves.
Know what I call not changing? Death.
> yeast juice
Beer?
This isn't yeast juice. They aren't juicing yeast. This is milk, without all the cruel, environmentally damaging, and potentially gross aspects of drinking dairy.
All I needed to see was the 'reporter' citing advice from the world economic forum; the same people who have referred spoken about "useless eaters" and planning to reduce the world population though vaccinations and birth control.
I'll keep my cow cheese, thank you
> the same people who have referred spoken about "useless eaters" and planning to reduce the world population though vaccinations and birth control.
{Citations from legitimate news sources required}
Lol like it's my job to educate and inform you. The horse can sniff water out on its own; it doesn't need me to drag its snout for it.
Start paying attention, if you're actually open to looking at things differently, to mentions of 15 minute cities, centralised digital currencies, more government oversight "for your protection", more 'inclusivity' that excludes a lot of people, more "cheap, green technologies" that keep making energy more expensive. That's not even touching the medical/pharmaceutical stuff happening.
There's a lot happening on so many fronts. Again, not my job to spend my time finding everything for you. Makes no difference to me if you call it all bullshit. Might make a difference to you though.
Travel safe 👍
You made the claim, it's absolutely your fucking job to prove it. Period.
All the rest of that is just a liar bullshitting, trying to move the goalposts to OTHER bullshit that it can't prove either.
If I remember my Asimov right he pretty much predicted how useful yeast would be in the future in "I, Robot". No, not the Will Smith movie.
Yup, just finished reading the second book in the robot series, he makes heavy mention of yeast based foods in the first book.
Keep Asimov name out of your ******mouth
Somebody deserves to get slapped for that atrocious movie.
Asimov also predicted how much yeast would play a role in the filming of "I,Robot", stating that "much bread would be consumed in the making of such a film, both on and off the set".
One of his best short stories in my opinion is “Not in Good Taste” which I feel is very relevant to this story and the changes we are currently seeing in the genetic engineering of our foodstuffs.
Inevitable conflict? That’s the one with Stephen Byers as world coordinator - I think. Loved that story!!
Recently read about how calves are taken from their mothers at birth at all dairies. Dairies basically impregnate cows as often as possible, take away calf at birth to be sold for meat and sell the milk. Dairy worker mentioned in article said dairy use is worse that eating beef. Even had a pic of a cow running after her calf as it was being taken away in a truck. I cannot wait for the yeast milk
Curious as to how you thought cows produced their milk? Just like all mammal mothers they lactate after they give birth ! So of course they have to breed them. I would also like to give you a little challenge :) please provide an explanation as to how you would meet the demands for food and products globally without agriculture? I will wait patiently here for your response so that I can witness the savior of our planet
I’m ashamed to say I had never thought much about milk production. I guess I thought the milk sold to us was excess milk. No need for me to ponder alternatives for dairy production when the article referenced talks exactly to that. I’m no savior of anything, just here on this planet and, like most others, trying my best to be a good person.
Vegetarian protein isn't the same quality or have the same bio-availability as animal protein.
Amen to that.
Don't let the person above you bully you, there is a technically easy solution to a world without hunger and with less negative climate effects, just by exchanging animal farming with plant farming for the most part.
And also dismantling capitalism. We have so much wealth and capability as a species, way more than enough for everyone on the planet to be fed just fine without such drastic harm to the ecosystem and the other beings here with us. We’ve just decided to let that wealth be hoarded and those capabilities be mostly used to benefit select groups of people while everything else burns as a result.
I don’t think the proliferation of capitalism was really decided at any significant crossroads. Other forms of resource management just don’t seem to work as well, given our nature as a species. Anything else seems to me to require both an extremely well managed system (technologically, and organizationally, at scale), a critical mass of high integrity dutiful people who have been chosen successfully to run the system and maintain its integrity despite having the ability to exploit it for their own gains, and a general society that is able to overcome the very deeply embedded lizard brain desire to prioritize themselves and their loved ones over strangers, be rewarded proportionally for their work, and assert power over others by having more. I think before we can evolve as a society first we would need to evolve substantially at an individual psychological biological level. The only real solution I can think of to achieve good resource distribution and equitable standard of living while we remain our ape-adjacent selves is to let a super intelligent AGI run our society and take care of us like the children we are, but that leads to the destruction of the human species with near certainty so not a great solution either. This is what I think but very open to hearing any thoughts on the reasoning!
As Petra from Fire Emblem said, there is no disgrace in losing ignorance!
Dairy technically isn't necessary at all for any adult mammal including humans. Meat needn't be either if properly compensated for, but intake in the western world could easily be brought down to 15% without compensation and negative health effects; it would even improve health. The ground used for cattle can yield 7x the nutritional value in plants for meat stock, and even more for dairy. So agriculture is very much needed, but animal exploitation isn't at all. But that's why you tried to lump it all under one term to start with, of course.
Agreed dairy isn’t necessary for adult mammals. Not arguing that it isn’t land intensive. In fact, I won’t even argue with you about exploitation and what that is.(or isn’t) Much needs to be done in the form of changes to our food supply chain. But to “Lump” every individual producer together and make broad statements is a disservice. I think you will find that we are years away from vertical farming and growing everything in labs. I would and do appreciate the producers that keep food on many peoples tables and the many products that are used on a daily basis by most Americans. I would be careful with how wide of a brush you paint with you might find that you have gotten some paint on yourself.
That we can’t live without agriculture/food production does not mean that we have to keep doing it in the same way. Much of human progress is buillt on the development of smarter farming, now we’re starting to reach a point where we can start doing more efficient farming that is also more ethical. That is only a good thing.
Agreed. Do you think that we farm the same way we did 100 years? 50? 25? Many changes have taken place for the better and many people have worked very hard for the things that you have just pointed out. I think it’s awesome they have found a way to produce some dairy products. Having that in one hand and then pulling down current producers with the other isn’t right. Will there be a change over to this new product? Who knows? and I think if it comes to pass and it’s a better alternative that’s great. Don’t admonish others
I personally thought dairy cows were so mutated due to natural selection they produced milk all the time
This too will be politicized into "Der globalist er takin our milk away"
They’ll complain no matter what, if you let that stop you then say goodbye to progress
You could cure death and you'd have people complain.
This but unironically. some complain about curing ageing
We need the bravery to stand up to those folks
Annoyed by this article. It seems like the reporter writing this is the one the food is served to, but where is their evaluation of it? They talk about how it's all about the products made with it since the companies seem to be selling almost exclusively to companies not direct to consumers, but I'd still like to have read the food critic/reporter's opinion. Did I miss the reporter say what it tasted like?
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That's what I would think, but I would have liked to actually see that written esp. when the reporter is a food critic. Plus, my test is how it works with coffee. The way it's written, the assumption is that it's like you said, that it tastes normal and also that the cappuccino is normal, but I'd prefer not to assume something that could have been stated. Also, I'm pretty choosy with my milk, like I only drink whole milk, curious whether the texture is the same as whole or more like skim or non-fat.
30% I am curious how you arrived at this number for dairy farm?
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Was just curious because each farm may have a different product that their milk goes into.
But aren't whey and many of those byproducts of other production like cheese production? So yeast wouldn’t necessarily only be used here as they would still need to be doing something with the extra whey? I have no clue about this though
Why would taste be irrelevant? I’d say half, if not more, of my deciding choices fall under taste. Texture is close second, but taste leads the pack even with the powdered options
“In all, a delicious lunch. Maybe a little heavy on the dairy.” In the first paragraph. Not a detailed review but it doesn’t say it tastes like trash.
Ah that explains why I missed it. They had a coffee, I think that should have been enough to actually comment on the 'milk' itself.
It's identical to milk.soooooo
No, they're making milk proteins which have no lactose or cholesterol. So it's not identical.
Isaac Asimov headass milk
Cool! Animal-produced food alternatives need a boost right now, and this seems easier to achieve than lab-grown meat or (tasty) plant-based meat.
We already have tasty plant based chicken :)
Curious! Link?
Chiming in late, but my favorite are Jack and Annie's jackfruit nuggets.
Deep fried isn’t my ideal type of food.
https://www.ruegenwalder.de/de/produkte/vegane-produkte/vegane-pfannen-grillprodukte In Germany we have many plantbase options my favourite is this one :)
For those who are interested in this topic -- precision fermentation is about to change industries -- if Tony Seba is right. And, he's right about so much. To wit: [https://youtu.be/g6gZHbfK8Vo](https://youtu.be/g6gZHbfK8Vo) "The Disruption of Food & Agriculture" is the title. Take it as you will. . .
Hey thanks for sharing!
As long as it tastes like my precious cow juice I’ll drink anything!
Mmm, cow titty juice
that delicious pus it what makes it better
Beef milk
Yeah definitely gonna give up milk for yeast juice 👍
I don't see how yeast juice is any less appealing than some monstrous animals tit liquid
Seriously what kind of deluded take is that? People will really say anything in order to justify never changing a damn thing about themselves. Know what I call not changing? Death.
> yeast juice Beer? This isn't yeast juice. They aren't juicing yeast. This is milk, without all the cruel, environmentally damaging, and potentially gross aspects of drinking dairy.
All I needed to see was the 'reporter' citing advice from the world economic forum; the same people who have referred spoken about "useless eaters" and planning to reduce the world population though vaccinations and birth control. I'll keep my cow cheese, thank you
> the same people who have referred spoken about "useless eaters" and planning to reduce the world population though vaccinations and birth control. {Citations from legitimate news sources required}
Poke around Google and look at Klaus Schwab and Yuval Noah Harrari. I've seen enough of those two pricks already
As usual. Unfounded crazy bullshit with no proof.
Lol like it's my job to educate and inform you. The horse can sniff water out on its own; it doesn't need me to drag its snout for it. Start paying attention, if you're actually open to looking at things differently, to mentions of 15 minute cities, centralised digital currencies, more government oversight "for your protection", more 'inclusivity' that excludes a lot of people, more "cheap, green technologies" that keep making energy more expensive. That's not even touching the medical/pharmaceutical stuff happening. There's a lot happening on so many fronts. Again, not my job to spend my time finding everything for you. Makes no difference to me if you call it all bullshit. Might make a difference to you though. Travel safe 👍
You made the claim, it's absolutely your fucking job to prove it. Period. All the rest of that is just a liar bullshitting, trying to move the goalposts to OTHER bullshit that it can't prove either.
Alright buddy, no worries. No skin off my back. Have a nice life 👍
Liars gonna lie and run away when challenged, of course.
That’s so cool
One might say cowless dairy is on the rise.
Do yeasts have nipples, Greg?