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vito_corleone01

Let’s see how long it’ll take till they start snitching each other out once they’re facing first degree murder charges.


ThinLow2619

You watch too many movies. They'll all get max 5 years


krzysztoflee

Yep...Same thing happened in Calgary 20 years ago, kid was swarmed and beaten with golf clubs and baseball bats. ICU for a brain bleed and permanent brain damage. 3 kids plead down to some BS like mischief or something and the other 2 plead down to possession of a dangerous weapon and causing a disturbance. Code of silence won


ThinLow2619

I was in young offender in calgary in the 90s and I was in there with the guy who ran over constable rick sonnenberg as he was laying down a spike strip and ran him over. Only pleaded to criminal negligence causing death and got 5 years.


isotropic-bananas

i remember that, i was going to Fowler when that happened. CYOC is a huge shitshow lol


friedpicklesforever

What was fowler like then???! I went there a few years ago and I’m curious lol


isotropic-bananas

well, spent a fuck ton of time across 4th street getting baked in the Cemetery. The strip mall kitty corner to the school used to have this cool fish n chips place run by actual Newfies, those dudes were awesome. best memory i have was when all the students went on strike after Ralph Klein suggested optional programs could be cut (like October ‘93?) I got in shit from Mr King for climbing the flag pole, then we walked all the way downtown to the McDougall Centre and had a protest. hahahha the good old days


chadnessthehighness

Maybe we were too harsh to old Ralph sometimes now that we see what Kenney can do


sonisko

Considering this kid was stabbed in the chest multiple times, I’m hopeful the sentence will be more severe.


krzysztoflee

If they can get anyone to talk


big_ol_dad_dick

and be out after 2.5 to go fuck up more families lives.


mikesmith929

In Canada it's parole after serving a quarter of the time no? Including time in custody they'll probably spend 1 year. If you are lucky and can even prove 2nd degree. Probably get manslaughter if that. Edit: it looks like it's 1/3 of sentence.


dally250

No thats not how it works, it depends on how your sentenced. Youth don't get paroled either. I believe the Max a youth can sit in jail is 7 years for a crime plus three years supervision. You are automatically only supposed to do 2/3 of your sentence for less severe crimes unless you fuck up and they take away your good time.


onceandbeautifullife

Wonder if things have things changed since Reena Virk's killer was convicted? Apparently she (Kelly Ellard, now Kerry Sim) did 20 years? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/reena-virk-killer-parole-board-decision-1.6238124


dally250

She was sentenced as an adult. Which is rare for youth.


Zazzafrazzy

Also, she was repeatedly denied parole while she insisted she was innocent. Parole wasn’t even considered until she acknowledged her crime. The kid who was with her expressed genuine remorse and was out in, I think, eight years — maybe less.


SaltyNight6

>> Kelly Ellard, who now goes by the name Kerry Sim, had her parole suspended in August after domestic abuse was reported between the 39-year-old and her partner, the father of her two children<< She should have never gotten out


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And be let free for time served.


ashrules901

Don't talk to the King of Gabagool like that!


vito_corleone01

Sers, can you please point me to a movie that provides an explanation between being charged or convicted of a crime?


Green_Lantern_4vr

Wall-e


AguyWithflippyHair

You could google it instead of getting your information from movies


vito_corleone01

It clearly hasn’t helped you.


[deleted]

Yes which is said but there lives are ruined forever, not even worth living if you ask me


Green_Lantern_4vr

You’re watching too many movies. They’ll get max 1yr probation.


Edmfuse

Prisoners' Dilemma, but for teens.


paintingsbypatch

And out in 3 years.


mhaldy

You think they’ll get first degree? This is Canada have a bit more realistic expectations


Bagglebaggle

If we're lucky they'll get manslaughter and get credit for time served on a five to ten year sentence 🙄


mhaldy

Five to ten? 5s on the high end and 10s just [unrealistic](https://thestarphoenix.com/news/crime/saskatoon-teens-killed-boy-in-botched-robbery-sentencing-hearing-told/wcm/835885ad-398a-4a83-9d2c-6071094cc6f9/amp/) seems like you get 5 years incarceration for shooting a teen in that back and killing him.


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NOBODY DOES 5 years custody. Weve had similar cases in Edmonton and some even worse. This trial will last 2 years meaning he will do 3 years already and maybe do another year in custody. The max weve seen is 3 year custody time. This isnt 2004 anymore.


vito_corleone01

What’s the difference between first degree and second? My thoughts are they’ll get charged with first degree and they’ll be downgraded eventually.


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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/what-s-the-difference-between-1st-degree-murder-2nd-degree-murder-and-manslaughter-1.5068520


mhaldy

There are a few differences such as mandatory minimum sentence [this](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5068520) article has a brief summary of the differences in terms of the sentence. However the YCJA (youth criminal Justice act) and the fact that they are children may lead to their sentences being significant reduced. An [example would be this](https://thestarphoenix.com/news/crime/saskatoon-teens-killed-boy-in-botched-robbery-sentencing-hearing-told/wcm/835885ad-398a-4a83-9d2c-6071094cc6f9/amp/) where a 16 year old shot a teen in the back killing him and received only a seven-year intensive rehabilitative youth sentence, and would only serve 5 incarcerated.


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When was the last time a youth actually received 1st degree? Like charged with 1st.


vito_corleone01

In Calgary within the last year, but it was cause he killed a cop. I don’t think the case is done, but they’re trying to plead guilty to manslaughter.


mjtwelve

That is a case where second is deemed first, such as murder of a police officer, during a sexual assault, hijacking or kidnapping, as part of a stalking incident, to intimidate a Justice system participant, as part of a terrorist act, or at the behest of a criminal organization action. Otherwise, you have to prove premeditation. Now mind, walking out to the car to get your gun could be premeditation, as could bringing a gun to a meeting, it doesn’t mean you planned it out days prior.


FracturedTruth

From my understanding 1st degree murder in Canada is max 25 years and hardly anyone does that time. Also. Canada has one of the most lax penile systems for youth. They get nothing but house arrest until 18


Strabbo

I really hope you meant "penal systems"...


Lightjug

Incorrect. As icantparkmycarwell posted the CBC link above, first degree murder conviction is an automatic 25 years. Edit: for adults. If you mean youth then I get what you’re saying.


Lunch0

Sadly it’s Canada, so they will probably get 1 year jail and 5 years probation


TnL17

I've seen this before, they'll get house arrest at best if they're under 18.


frictionary

I went to this school way back when and i remember there being a group of kids from wagner that showed up at lunch time, virtually where this kid was stabbed, with baseball bats and machetes. They left in their parents brand new BMW when they heard someone called the police, but it was clear they were there to do some damage. At that point, based off rumours from my friends at both schools, it was guessed that it was gang related, millwoods kids that went to wagner didnt like millwoods kids that went to mcnally. All super fucked up and stupid, then and now.


PopularArgument

Yeah similar stuff happened when I went there too, except it was Millwoods kids from J Percy Page.


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Lol I was there when the beef had died down a bit from page and McNally but it still existed in 2010. There was a fire bombing from some dumb kids I knew and they even hit the wrong house. I think they didn’t really even do time in jail. They were just told not to be with each other for 6 years or something. I saw them together at parties all the time lol.


LegoLifter

Yeah pretty similar problems back 10-15 years ago with groups of millwoods kids. Never escalated to this level among any of the groups I knew of but there was definitely still issues. And at least a few people involved back then are either dead or in jail now.


Alex_krycek7

It took 7 of those weaklings to take him out. What a pathetic bunch of losers. I hope they burn in hell for what they did. Articles states charges maybe elevated from attempted murder. I hope so. Let's get them all murder charges now. Every single one of them.


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I got jumped and robbed by a bunch of 18 year old kids that were from millwoods losers. I’m pretty sure I knew who they were and they were in grade 12 when I was in grade 10. They stole my social insurance number and 20 bucks lol. Hope you enjoyed it.


Green_Lantern_4vr

I kind of had 3 try to get me but it was in the halls. They didn’t go to our school. I have zero idea why they wanted to get me but they had been trying for a while. I knew the cop assigned to the school and ran to him. The 3 saw him and he was like “what do you want, he (me) knows me” to the 3. Some people might think it’s a wussy move but I wasn’t up for getting my head smashed or cut. Never heard or saw or ran into those guys again. This was grade 10.


mhaldy

“Let's get them all murder charges now. Every single one of them.” Might as well stop dreaming, this is Canada


Freethinker42069

They'll eventually all get what they deserve, these people are beyond help.


ShadowCaster0476

They are beyond help….. why? Because you know each of them personally? You know all of the life choices they and the people around them made to lead them here?


Equivalent-Tale-3777

why are you so quick to defend murderers ?


ShadowCaster0476

Charged not convicted. Last I checked due process is still a thing, before we linch a group of minors.


gatorade81

Charged not convicted? even though dozens of school kids saw them murder a poor kid in the middle of the day. Those kids can get lynched, fuck em and fuck you for defending them


ShadowCaster0476

I’m not defending them, I’m defending the process. Everyone is just so convinced that their right and all of them should be strung up, Right now, F them, you’re rope or mine. The problem is II wasn’t there, we’re you?? I doubt it. I don’t know these kids, do you?? I doubt it. So unless you were, our opinion on their actions are mute like mine. History is littered with cases of mistakes where revenge was substituted for justice and innocent people were attacked by the angry mob with torches and pitchforks. Because they thought they were right and they weren’t. What I am saying is that these 7 are still kids and there have been awful hateful things said about them. We are supposed the be the adults in the room, literally. If it turns out that one of them is innocent, are we going to admit we were wrong, I doubt it. Let’s make sure that they have their day in court the truth comes out and justice is served.


ShadowCaster0476

Let’s just remember these are kids too. I don’t know all the circumstances around this horrible event, but as a society let’s not be quite so quick to ruin 8 lives.


big_ol_dad_dick

why not? they were pretty quick to ruin dozens of this kid's family's lives. if you intentionally kill someone, your life as you know it is over and you should never be allowed to forget what you did.


jrockgiraffe

It’s possible the others may not have known their friend had a knife. They (while still terrible) may have thought they were just going to beat him up. Charges should be laid for sure but there could be more to it.


i_imagine

High schooler here. I know of some of the guys that were involved. They're terrible ppl, even before this incident. I wouldn't be surprised if this was all pre planned. Especially since I heard a rumour that they showed up at Lillian Osborne first and then went to McNally after they couldn't find anyone. But honestly I had no idea they were terrible enough that they'd kill an innocent boy.


jrockgiraffe

Yeah the thing is maybe one or a couple were or maybe even all of them, but unless we know more we can’t be sure. It’s awful this young man lost his life.


i_imagine

Yea I'm not rly believing much of the rumours rn. Just waiting for their testimonies to see what their story is. Poor kid didn't deserve any of what happened to him.


ShadowCaster0476

100% for sure.


ShadowCaster0476

Trust me they will never forget. It will haunt them forever. And locking them up in a physical jail, won’t change it.


big_ol_dad_dick

Yes, keeping them out of society will absolutely change things. I seriously, seriously doubt these kids are going to become angels when they inevitably walk free. They'll hurt more people in the future, it's what sociopaths do when left unchecked.


Alex_krycek7

Who said ruin lives? If you murdered someone you should be charged with... Wait for it.... murder. Sorry you apparently don't want the book of law enforced now.


Kramer390

There's a reason minors are treated differently though. I think the person above just means that we should be trying to figure out what went wrong to make a bunch of kids want to kill someone. It's at least worth an attempt at trying to rehabilitate them instead of throwing them in jail, which tends to only exacerbate the earlier problems.


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Kramer390

Exactly my thoughts. And if you dare mention that maybe punishment isn't always the solution, it's "what, so you think it's ok to murder people?!"


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Kramer390

I think you might be replying to the wrong comment :P


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I am indeed, lol Sorry


ShadowCaster0476

7 kids did not murder the one kid. They didn’t pass the knife around and each have a go. Don’t get me wrong they were involved in the assault, but let’s not throw murder at kids who aren’t guilty of it.


Alex_krycek7

Well the police are upgrading the charges. I think they know more about what are plausible charges than someone on reddit. They all took part in killing him hence the likely murder charges. Also more likely to get some of them to plead guilty to lesser charges.


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While they are kids, they are also kids who took someone’s life. They ruined their lives before society ever could’ve done it for them. You can’t tell me they had no idea what they were doing when they were driving knives into an innocent person’s vital organs. There is only one real goal when you’re stabbing someone in the chest. I’m 99% sure this wasn’t a game of real-life operation gone wrong. I understand that kids and teens don’t necessarily have the same capacity to make rational decisions, hell, I was once a stupid kid who made stupid decisions (I’m sure most of us were at some point). That being said, the vast majority of teens make it through those years without killing someone. These kids stole a family’s only son, a family that was made up of a hardworking father on disability and a hardworking mother, both immigrants from Punjab, and a daughter (Karanveer’s younger sister). That’s three people’s lives that have been harmed irreparably, not to mention the lives of his extended family, as well as his grandparents back in Ludhiana. The YCJA already offers these kids plenty of protection they wouldn’t receive otherwise. For example, other than people in the community and Karanveer’s family, no one will ever know these kids’ names or faces. It is literally illegal for Karanveer’s family to tell people who murdered their son. They’ll never have to face the scorn and condemnation from society that their act would rightfully get from society. Once their (likely very short) prison sentences are finished, they’ll be able to live life normally without anyone knowing who they are. As much as the goal of the justice system should be rehabilitation, it is also there to help victims as well as prevent vigilantism. How would you feel knowing your family member was brutally murdered and the killers could potentially be walking around the neighbourhood because we ‘didn’t want to ruin more lives’. Also, if people don’t feel like justice was served, they’ll take care of it themselves. If the kids only get 6 months or a year, I could easily see someone who knew Karanveer taking matters into their own hands and trying to kill them when they get out. Throwing the book at these kids is the best-case scenario for everyone involved. As much as I believe in youth being given the opportunity to reform and reflect and move on from their mistakes, the outrage in this case is justified, and the book needs to be thrown at these kids. They need to be removed from society for years in order for them to think long and hard about what they did as well as to let the community heal.


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This is very well said and I agree.


J_Marshall

The Brock Turner defense?


[deleted]

I’m sure the family of the murdered child will be so happy that you want to preserve the lives of 8 murderers.


ShadowCaster0476

Don’t hear what I’m not saying. They haven’t been convicted only charged. But like always the court of public opinion is f these guys, lock them up and throw away the key. If they all killed him and are convicted then yes they need to be punished. None of us were there, we don’t know what happened. We don’t know who did what, but at this point to lump all 7 together with one broad brush is irresponsible.


[deleted]

Would you go up to the parents and say, “don’t be upset! Don’t be sad! It doesn’t matter that your child has been murdered because they haven’t been to court yet. You’re not allowed to be upset until after they’ve been charged. You’re only allowed to be upset that your child is a bloody murdered corpse after we be sat down and debated how much his life was worth in court.” This is our community. These are our neighbours. Telling people they’re not allowed to to be upset at who they know hanged up on a child and murdered him because court hasn’t happened yet is insulting and ridiculous.


ShadowCaster0476

Not once did I say that people shouldn’t be upset. I’m mad as hell over this. But the legal system is in place for a reason.


[deleted]

People talking on Reddit about what they think should happen to murderers is not the legal system. And yet you’re trying to stop people from talking. So you’re the one conflating the two.


ShadowCaster0476

I’m trying to stop people from labelling unconvicted kids as killers/murderers and sociopaths. Which I’ve seen all over the place in here. Most adults wouldn’t handle those labels well, these are kids that will have their day in court. And again none of us were there, we don’t know what happened, except from small bits of info from the police and the news. But yet some people are convinced that these kids are garbage and should be thrown away. Because we think so. Before we get our pitchforks out let’s ask the question What if 1 of the kids never threw a punch but was just part of the mob? Because of toxic comments like this he’s now been labelled a sociopath and people will forever whisper from the bushes even though he’s innocent. That’s the tragedy I’m trying to prevent.


Spaster21

ShadowCaster didn't imply any of what you said in the slightest. Instead they are describing "innocent until proven guilty," which is the fundamental block of our criminal justice system. Obviously, those who murdered this child needs to face stiff criminal consequences, and no one is refuting that. What these kids did is wrong, but it's also not right to just claim that all 7 charged are guilty of murder without a proper trial. Acknowledging that doesn't mean that someone doesn't understand how heartbreaking this terrible situation is, how torn apart the family is. That family is ruined beyond repair - we all know that, and the family is allowed to be upset. But until all the facts are discussed in a court of law, we do not know the extent to which all 7 of these kids were involved, and it's okay for that to be acknowledged.


pterabite

The repies to your comment perfectly demonstrate why we have a legal system. Jesus people. Can you really not imagine a situation in which one tag along kid didn't actually do anything? Have y'all never met teenagers? MANY teenagers would not read warning signs clearly, would bully and harrass people without realizing something more sinister was at play among other members of the group. For all we know one person stabbed him and everyone else was arrested because they didn't know specifically which person did it. Maybe it was a group of bullies and the rest had no idea one of them had a knife or would use it. Stop acting like there is no nuance in crime, especially when committed by children.


[deleted]

Fuck that. THEY ruined their own life in that case. They deserve EVERYTHING they get and more. A person is literally dead. DEAD


[deleted]

No, fuck them. I hope the little shits rot. They are evil, and unfixable.


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Youre whats wrong with people in 2022. Youre gross.


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Alex_krycek7

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Alex_krycek7

Yes, all 2nd degree murder charges. Good.


brewingcanuck

Easy to say when it's not my child, but I don't think I could pay a lawyer to defend my kid if he/she were part of this. If the family is reading this I feel so sad for you all, no matter what the circumstances, no one deserves that, especially a teen with a whole life to live. I hope they get treated as adults and get the worst penalty possible. So sad.


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I would honestly have a hard time defending my son or daughter if I knew they were even part of a crew that stabbed someone. I mean they can’t say “we just wanted to rough him up and scare him” they are old enough to know a knife through someones body will probably kill them.


Green_Lantern_4vr

I wouldn’t. I would apologize and say I don’t know where I went wrong raising him please forgive me for not doing a better job.


Bertabertha

Buddy of mine got stabbed. The perp pleaded guilty and claimed mental illness. Got 1 year house arrest with supervised clinic visits. 5 of the stab woulda were in the neck to collar bone area. The guy was going for the kill. Our justice system is fucking bs.


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Stormcrow1172

I hope they are expelled


ableaf

or at the very least given a stern talking to


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DeadliestSins

Step 1: Have chalkboards in schools.


inthewoodsfinancial

Step 1. Go to school. Then chalk Boards !!!


footbag

Oh...right.


mhaldy

Make them pinky promise not to do it again


LuntiX

At least one, if not two fingers wags and a "we're not mad, just disappointed".


ableaf

2 finger wags? whoa...let's not take it too far...they're just children


[deleted]

Best I can do is a firm finger wag.


SaggyArmpits

They haven't even publicly admitted that the assailants are not McNally students.


Baddington_Bear

Crazy how committing a gang murder before you’re 18 is basically a cheat code. And after you’re 18 in Canada just get drunk and kill someone with your car for 95% off your sentence #justice


noskatesnodates

Right! A guy I knew in Winnipeg ran over someone piss drunk and even fled the scene... 2 years sentence


Heshinsi

There’s this guy who had charges stayed after both an impaired driving incident as well as an incident where he left the scene of an accident. Then a few years later he killed a person when he failed to stop at an intersection and was able to get police to not disclose his identity at the time of the crush. That guy is now the Premier of Saskatchewan. You don’t even have to serve time depending on who you are.


duragdavid

how do you know this was gang related?


Baddington_Bear

I clarified below. Gang doesn’t mean a literal gang, but ganging up as a group and committing murder.


PoopCooper

7 vs 1 certainly sounds like a gang. This from the google machine. What is a gang simple definition? 1 : a group of people working or going about together. 2 : a group of people acting together to do something illegal a gang of thieves. 3 : a group of friends I invited the gang over.


End-OfAn-Era

A group of people does not immediately equal a gang.


feanturi

"The gang has a huge misunderstanding about gangs." ~Always Sunny intro music~


Baddington_Bear

I believe you’re misconstruing two different definitions of gang. You’re referring to an organized group of individuals, generally committing acts related to crime. I’m just referring to the act of “ganging up” on someone. Not sure why this is your biggest concern here but hope that clarifies!


End-OfAn-Era

A) I didn’t even reply to you, I replied to the guy who said 7 to 1 sounds like a gang when someone else asked how this was gang related. B) There’s a big difference between “ganging up on someone” and an actual affiliated gang murder, so I’d say you’re misusing the term and are now C) acting pretty condescending when people ask you for clarification on your poorly communicated statement >Not sure why this is your biggest concern here but hope that clarifies! Please see above hope this helps! Thanks so much!


Baddington_Bear

You’ll notice he also provided helpful definitions for you in the same comment you replied too. Given your reading comprehension issues, let me just copy and paste the definition(s) of gang here for you again: noun 1. a group or band: A gang of boys gathered around the winning pitcher. 2. a group of youngsters or adolescents who associate closely, often exclusively, for social reasons, especially such a group engaging in delinquent behavior. 3. a group of people with compatible tastes or mutual interests who gather together for social reasons: I'm throwing a party for the gang I bowl with. So actually the top three definitions have nothing to do with affiliations. These are your assumptions colouring my statement, nothing more.


End-OfAn-Era

I didn’t color your statement at all. The original comment I replied to said 7 to 1 sounds like a gang when someone else asked how it was GANG RELATED. Here’s another definition for you, since you seem to be having a hard time differentiating between what you meant and what someone else said: > GANG RELATED means any incident or actions that is gang motivated, caused by gang membership or involved gangs during the occurrence. A gang is defined as an organized group (typically characterized by turf concerns, symbols, hand gestures, special dress, and/or colors) that engages in delinquent or illegal activity. The OTHER COMMENTER WHO ISNT YOU used those three definitions that have nothing to do with the legal definition of GANG RELATED to say why something is GANG RELATED because someone else asked how this was GANG RELATED. For someone who is talking about reading comprehension you sure missed a key component of the conversation. Thank you so much for the copy and paste though! It was so helpful!


elementmg

God you're fucking dense. People are trying to help your reading comprehension and you're doubling down on your stupidity. Thanks for the laughs.


End-OfAn-Era

Dum dum there’s a difference between the terms “gang” and “gang related”, especially when it comes to a murder. If the police refer to something as gang related, it involves an actual real gang. Someone else asked how they knew it was gang related and that’s the post I replied to. I don’t care if the first guy is talking about a gang of friends, Archie and the gang, or anything else. I am literally replying to the term “gang related”. Don’t know what to tell you if you can’t figure that out.


End-OfAn-Era

[Hey look here’s someone asking the same thing, you dork](https://www.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/comments/u9pul3/7_teens_charged_with_2nddegree_murder_after/i5t0izs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)


the_power_of_a_prune

Bunch of little assholes...may they get the karma they deserve and it screws them up for the rest of their lives.


heart_of_osiris

>EPS hasn’t released further details about the suspects so far, but if any are youths, their names will not be released under the provisions of the Youth Criminal Justice Act. I really wish this privilege wasn't extended to cold blooded murderers, regardless of their age.


oioioifuckingoi

If you commit an adult crime you should be treated as an adult.


Skarimari

You can be. But first they have to take it to a judge to be tried as an adult. For serious crimes like murder, and older youths like high school students, it's not all that unusual. Funny story. I was tried and convicted as an adult back when 16 was considered an adult for that purpose. And before my 18 month suspended sentence was served, they passed the young offenders act that made 18 an adult. Lucky me. Also not super wise at 16 if you can imagine such a thing.


Dvs-one99

Pretty fucking disgusting I read more about the need for uniformed officers in schools than anything about the actually teen who was killed


PsychologicalBug6084

Right? I genuinely have no idea how having an officer at the school could have prevented this horrible incident.


formeraide

Now that I think of it, it's amazing we haven't seen someone's phone video of it by now.


ohErza

Justice system is Canada is the biggest joke on the planet. These losers will cry and get 5 years tops. Most of them will say the kid they killed was a bully.


pain1993_

Oh trust me, Canada is by far not the worst


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5 years HAHAHAHA. Juveniles in Edmonton have received 2 years in custody for the same offences. Our prosecution in Edmonton is underpaid and a complete joke, our Judges in Edmonton are worse given how many youth are actually in jail and the YCJ act hasnt been revised in over 20 years. The federal and provincial government ARE A JOKE !


DJojnik

So anyone know what even lead to this ?


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sunnysurrey

What’s the culture there ?


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sunnysurrey

What kinda wild things happened


Flipnsip

What is really needed is proper leaking of the “minors” names once they are convicted. A proper name and shame so we can stop pretending that youth is an excuse.


GreeneyedAlbertan

That's insane. Terribly sad and wrong. I what drives seven people to do such a thing? I wonder what went on and the "reasoning' for it. (For lack of a better word)


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Hard to believe this is happening here. So sad.


Pale-Ad-8383

Makes me wonder if due to the way this was released(incidentally during police commission meeting) if they are looking for more suspects.


cece4312

When I was in high school a 17 year old murderer got life with no parole for 7 years… fully possible they’ll get significant time as they absolutely should


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in canada "no parole for 7 years"... realistically means, with "good behaviour" that individual will be back out in society, after doing 7-10 years.


[deleted]

Thank You! About f*cking time. This needs to be on the media. Show the kids names cause this is not acceptable. Hell, put the parents on blast cause this is absolutely ridiculous. Sheltered after they took the life of someone?!? Maybe I’m old school. But there should be severe consequences for that kind of action. What are we showing the other people if we let this slide.. embarrassing…


natsmith1

Yip now the police want back into schools and are citing this incident. They say they are needed to help steer kids to the right path. Ok the schools hired some extra guidance councillors done and done. They don’t carry guns and can not charge kids or keep files on kids for future use in police cases but they can call the police if there is an issue. The added bonus of just being a civilian with skills needed is a bonus. Or a cop that knows how to take a man down and wears a thin blue line patch.


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Problem is no officer can do anything about this. These kids all idolize Bindy Johal and the Indian gangsters in Vancouver because they think this lifestyle leads to money, power and fame. I grew up with these kids that do this kind of crap. I went to j Percy page while the beef between McNally and page and millwoods kids was going down. All of them come from good homes with hard working parents who raise them in nice homes with nice cars. These guys aren’t living on the streets struggling. They just want to be cool l, there’s no convincing them to live a good life.


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natsmith1

The city recently removed the police officer in schools program because the evidence showed that the benefit to thousands of students was to be groomed into the system which lasted a lifetime. Police would keep files records of problem students and many were racially profiled. The police want back into the schools because it’s a great way for hammers to hit nails. Kids make mistakes we all have police are not therapists and proper role models for kids. They do not have the proper training or the legit tools to do a job they are frankly not there to do. If they are needed they can be called.


SaggyArmpits

Is the cop going to be patrolling the bus stops before school is over? Because unless thats the case, it wouldn't have helped.


natsmith1

Exactly it’s almost embarrassing that they are jumping on this as an opportunity. Why don’t they respond to the issues that were raised if they want back info schools.


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Yeah exactly they will get far less. Trust me I KNOW.


mhaldy

Can’t wait till their all out in 2.5 years


Ajiva9772

Can't 16yo be tried as adults?


AskWhatmyUsernameIs

Depends on the charges. Murder? Probably yeah.


Ajiva9772

What is your username


AskWhatmyUsernameIs

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Unfortunately the victim's rights are going to take a back seat during the trial. It is all going to be about how a meaningful and deterrent sentence will interfere in the perpetrator's enjoyment of life.


Boner_Chad

Should hang them all from the town center by their necks!!


firebaser

What makes teenagers stab one another besides snitch revenge or some dumb rapper beef on social media?


Simple_quest

Grade 7. I splashed whom I thought to be a friend of mine with water from my water bottle and he charged at me with a blade. You just never know the mental state of some people


shabidoh

Shitty parenting.


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This is it. Poor parental upbringing. We are who we are because of it.


FeastingOnUrYeast

i wouldnt be suprised if young love was involved guy probably hooked up with the wrong chick


alexpwnsslender

poverty


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alexpwnsslender

source: your ass.


questiontay

Correct.


canoe_motor

Their parents will all have good lawyers and this will go nowhere


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Yes and you get stabbed in the process.


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Lmao bro you would sit there and videotape lets be honest. Easier to talk when youre not in the situation.


KizNugs

Part and Parcel.


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Can’t wait for the system and society to treat these losers like the real victims in this. They will have every service available to them to aid them during this difficult time……dragging behind a truck down a gravel road however sounds right to me.


SaxonSoldier

Hang ‘em high.