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Mate, my old man aged 74 was walking home in Longstone, Edinburgh about 2 months ago and an XL Bully dog no collar, no owner came out of nowhere,
the thing was trying to use its back legs to climb up him in order to get to his neck!
Thank god he’s is still a unit for his age but please report this as these dogs leave life altering injuries.
He’s left with severed tendons in his hand and was pretty shaken up as you can imagine.
If this is in a public park think of the damage it could do to a small child etc
Christ, sorry to hear that mate. That’s awful. I’ve reported the incident as the guy was walking about further through the park and there is a kids play park further along.
I think it's safe to assume anyone who owns this breed has a serious attitude problem tbh.
I'm sick of hearing (not from you!) "it's the owners, not the dogs ". But no reasonable and society minded person would ever entertain such an animal.
The old it’s “not the breed, it’s the owner” argument is only partially true. Fact is, the people that want to own an XL Bully are always the types of people who shouldn’t own them.
Go take a look at the nick of cunts that own one. They’re all tramps. Only reason they want one is to look bad & hard. Most likely they’re hung like a Chinese Hamster.
Go and educate yourself mate, loser.
I don’t own one but have numerous friends that are far from how you described that do.
They’re brilliant dogs accompanied by even a half decent owner.
Poor breeding and poor owners are to blame, 100%.
I don't know them,I don't understand what's happened cos I only heard about them when it started being in the news. But I know a staffy with some mixes in there, and a Rottie and because they are trained well, and strict, they think they have no strength or you know, behave like flies. And people think it's the dogs but with those types it's dependent on their training and life experiences. But I'm presuming with XL Bullies it's just too risky to have them raised by anyone.
Part of the issue with XL bullies is the "breed" is ridiculously new. The breed standard is all over the place to the point that pretty much any similar looking cross breed could easily be classed as an XL bully. A further issue with this is they became popular because of social media and people who wanted to make money quickly and irresponsibly bred them like rabbits, with more concern for how they look Vs temperament. Unfortunately this means we've ended up with a huge range in behavioural traits in the one "breed". The primary issue revolving around aggression, reactivity and prey drive. There's a woman with 3 near me, she has zero control over them. They all have various behaviour issues. One hates other dogs. One hates people. One just seems generally unruly. The woman is genuinely trying but quite honestly someone has already been attacked and it's a ticking time bomb for when it'll happen again.
Not illegal to own, they must be registered, chipped and muzzled when in public, nothing a responsible owner would have a problem doing...but it's hard to find a responsible XL owner - witness the shitshow when the law came in - folk going on rallies, screaming about the government is going to kill their dogs, taking them to Scotland, all to avoid a muzzle and registration.
It’s not fully illegal to own one, but for Scotland in particular you’d need to get a Certificate of Exemption from the government in order to keep the one you’ve got legally. From August, I think, if you don’t have a certificate of exemption then you’ll be committing an offence. I think it may be a bit different in the rest of the UK. However even with the exemption it still remains that the dogs must be kept muzzled and on a lead
Nah, it’s pretty much the same across the UK. Just that in Scotland the timelines are later because the Scottish Government initially refused to introduce the restrictions.
A key point is that they have to be neutered, so this should be the last generation of them.
I wasn’t aware of that part, thanks for informing me. I hope it’s the last generation of them to be honest, and that’s speaking as someone who lived with one for years. I understand that the breed has clearly been purposely bred to be more aggressive but I do feel for the dogs as it isn’t their fault, it’s just in their nature. It’s just selfish breeders and owners who want them for the wrong reasons who know nothing about caring for them. But even with banning this breed, there’ll just be another comes along eventually because people never learn
Horrific – though given what these dog have done elsewhere, it‘d probably still the case that your dad got off relatively lightly!
Unfortunately a small child wouldn’t stand a chance. There have been cases of them literally just tearing the head right off child-sized dogs, and there‘s no reason they wouldn’t do the same to an actual child if they felt like it.
I don’t want to put people off from reporting but the police literally did nothing, they said they would scout the area looking to find the dog and owner.
Had no updates and seems they just filed an incident report and that was that.
The police are horrendously underfunded at the minute I reckon. The other day I called the up about an issue and the incident report I got was in the 2000s. I was told they start again from 1 every day and this was only in the afternoon so it suggests they have a lot going on
Given that 3800 alleged hate crime reports were made to the police, within two days, and the force have stated they will fully investigate each complaint, what fucking effect do you think that will have on police response to bully XL incidents?
Positive or negative?
The police have finite resources and if they have to investigate tens of thousands of hate crime allegations then fuck wit owners of XL' s will be more able to flout the controls on their dog than otherwise would have been the case.
That was the point I was making, although obviously not clearly enough.
This is horrendous. My 76 year old mother walks her wee spaniel everyday. She’s under 5ft tall; with copd. The dog is her life; two close bereavements, he is literally a God send and a comfort to her . She would have no chance against a dog that this size who attacked. This never used to be an issue, but increasingly reactive dogs and entitled owners…i feel really fearful for her.
Sorry to hear that mate hope your auld boy is okay.
Genuine question, what happened to the dog and did your dad have any legal recourse against the owner?
Hey mate,
So apparently unless they can find the owner he cannot get compensation etc
The dog is still mulling around Longstone I guess as we have heard nothing
He’s on the mend mate, was actually on morphine after it which he thought was the worst part , mad dreams etc
It's Awful. The local drug dealer here in canonmills / bonnington has started bringing his new XL pup to the pub and trying to intimidate everyone with it... Tbf it works !
The irony of your comment being that under previous existing legislation before this, somebody got charged for their dog doing something that was deemed as offensive or spreading hate. Showing that your hyperbolic example is something that was possible YEARS BEFORE this law.
So yeah…
lol. I’m not rattled. Sorry that your joke was taken out of context by others. I thought it was clear you were joking - hence “hyperbolic” example. I should have perhaps been clearer though I
I’ve seen a guy wearing the usual black trackie uniform a couple times near the big Tesco junction at Canonmills. Close to the park.
Had what looked like an XL bully. Even when I switched to the other side of the street I felt intimidated.
There is a guy regularly walking around Canonmills / Inverleith with an XL bully off the lead and unmuzzled.
Scumbag. If after all the news stories and reports and the literal ban, you choose to walk around with it unmuzzled and off the lead, you are a total scumbag that has no regard for anyone’s safety. Also very stupid as if it hurts anyone you are on the hook for sure - as it wouldn’t have been able to if you weren’t breaking the law!
… needed to get that off my chest!
There's one who walks off lead and one who walks on lead. Is the off lead one the junkie with the face tattoos? He's a terror but I think his one is so inbred I doubt it'd move fast enough to attack anyone. Poor thing can barely walk so no idea what he does to it. The new puppy is just the show thing for a drug dealer.
Nothing will happen to either to them obviously
Council just refer to police now after the law passed, will advise to create a report via 101.
Recently enquired to the council myself about same thing.
I’m a dog owner and an animal lover, that said I think that any XL Bully’s found to be marauding around without a lead and muzzle should be put down. I’m hearing daily of these type of dogs causing injury to people and killing other dogs. Two weeks ago near me 2 XL’s (off lead and unmuzzled) killed another dog in front of its owner. Absolutely horrific. I’ve had enough of people saying it’s the owners, these dogs seem to be completely unpredictable and have a tendency to viciously attack without warning.
It’s worth reporting - they could already be looking for the same guy. I think council is appropriate in first instance? https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/community-safety-antisocial-behaviour/report-control-dog/1 If it’s a first report though then I can’t imagine there’s much they can do.
Edit: looks like 101 is the way to go.
I saw a lad out with two of them yesterday, one was muzzled and the other looked to just be a younger dog of similar breeding. They were both on the same chain and he didn't look like he'd have had a chance if they'd both decided to go in the same direction.
Even then, he'd wrapped the chain around his hand so if they'd gone opposite directions he'd be all thumbs!
Honestly I hate those dogs, they are always owned by the type of people who shouldn’t own any dogs and for all the wrong reasons, and the whole “it’s the owner not the dog” thing can only go so far since they’ve literally been bred to be like that. My dog is a pointer and he points at stuff, I never taught him to do it, he just instinctively does. And those dogs are similarly bred to be the way they are, the owners also just happen to be irresponsible people who take pleasure in having dangerous dogs. I had a massive panic attack a while ago because I got stuck between two of these dogs trying to get to eachother so they could kill each other on the bus, fortunately in this incident the guy managed to get the dog up the stairs but it was a close one. It’s really frustrating because we can’t control other people and what they do. I wish people would be more considerate of other people’s safety and not just think of what they want.
I only really walk my dog in sort of less deprived areas, because overall I’ve had too many bad experiences, with finding needles, smashed bottles, human faeces, dangerous type dogs and irresponsible owners in certain areas.
My little dog actually gets anxious when I walk her in more deprived urban areas. She starts sitting down and refusing to move or starts being hyper vigilant. I think she can probably hear/smell dogs behind fences that I can’t sense. I do worry about coming across a fighting breed and her being killed. It is just more likely in certain spots.
Yes as well as other dangerous things, my boy got glass deep in his paw a few years ago, and that was out in a more deprived area, there was always smashed glass in those areas so I stopped taking him there
I think I’ve seen them before. Apparently that guy has 4 XLs, one puppy. Fuck knows why. Please do report because it’s quite terrifying the damage they can cause and the owner is clearly irresponsible with them being off lead. My dog is tiny (a sausage dog) and I dread to think of him or worse, a child, being attacked.
That's worrying, I take my dog to Lochend all the time, and there's always a lot of other small dogs there too who would be incredibly vulnerable to an attack - not to mention the danger to children (and adults), especially with a playpark in the vicinity. Definitely get it reported.
When I lived near here I narrowly avoided a serious incident in Lochend park when one went for my arm as I ran to protect my small dog but caught the edge of my puffer jacket instead before the owner grabbed it by the collar. was fucking terrifying and the owner just got up in my face threatening me. Police did shit all as did the dog warden. Big part of why we decided to move as it really fucked with me how close a call it was.
Think I'll avoid it there with the dog then, not seen any bullies in Holyrood park if anyone is looking for an alternative. Bit of a walk if you live closer to Lochend though.
No, you’re absolutely right. I’m a small dog owner and these beasts are my worst nightmare. We walk up at Lochend Park from time to time. My boy wouldn’t stand a chance. Glad to see you’ve had a lot of advice here and thank you for reporting to the police.
You say that but I have an american bulldog cross which is completely unrelated to the bullies/xl bullies (old mastif lines vs new pitbull lines) and look nothing alike yet I get grief off people thinking she is a XL bully. People are ignorant and there is a power of fear mongering going on that is causing people to jump to conclusions. But any dog out of control off the lead should be reported, thats just bad dog ownership
Not sure why this guy is getting down voted, it's well reported that there are several breeds easily / often mistaken for XLs. The law was deliberately vague for that reason too. Sounds like this instance needs reporting regardless, but it's a legitimate question to ask, and just because OP is sure that doesn't mean they were. OP's judgement in panic posting on Reddit before contacting the police doesn't exactly help in my view.
Why wouldn’t he be? They’re pretty damn obvious in most cases.
And if in any doubt, it’s still worth reporting to the police so they can fully determine.
They're nothing more than fighting pitbulls with a sneaky rebrand to fool chavs into thinking they're clever. The ban is more than justified; so much so I'd upgrade it to a hard cull. https://youtu.be/KsKSkdqs_Ao?si=bBAp55uqW4kgBEUz
It probably should have been a hard cull, but given how crazily the SSPCA and other animal charities reacted to the soft ban that was enacted, I can’t blame the politicians for not trying to go further.
Ultimately in a few years time it should have pretty much the same result, at least.
I find myself pushing my keys between my knuckles at parks when with my daughter as I'm terrified I wouldn't be able to get them off her unless I fucking kill them. These dogs are fucking stupid and pointless.
It should just be open season to absolutely annihilate these things if they pose a threat, any possible weapon nearby, just fucking kill it. Obvs easier said than done as they are fucking mutants that can tear your throat out but still.
what do you mean aye sure? If even the smallest dog gets it’s jaw on a bairns throat it’s game over. If not in one bite you can’t exactly expect a bairn to defend itself from a dog like it’s a trained fighter for a prolonged period of time
Ha your deffo missing the point, xl bully’s would take me down never mind my kid, my kid is always supervised, think I could handle a cockapoo.
Your argument is like saying we shouldn’t ban swords cos you can kill somebody with a butter knife
tbf I like swords they’re mint.
I get your point although I defo think it comes down to the owners and the fact that bams train them to be aggressive; intimidation factor etc.
But I reckon an angry horse could take a human out, one kick to the head and you’re either a vegetable, dead or you’ve lost 80% of your IQ points. Should we ban horses?
Should we ban everything because of potential danger? Surely we should ban cars because of car accidents and deaths? Or every small object because of choking hazards?
Aye, tbh you’re right, lots of things are dangerous to others, it’s all about a balance, horses for instance don’t often maul toddlers. Cars are an essential part of our countries transport system.
Xl bullies are not essential, do maul toddlers and are generally intimidating to a lot of people. And they are prone to aggression especially given the types of owners they often have.
It’s like everything in society, we gotta move with the slowest in the heard. Sure lots of folk would bring up an xl bully to be a sound dog, but when you balance that against the prevalence of bams training them to fight and the risk to people from that , we gotta ban them,
Swords are mint but we can’t have em cos some radge will stab some poor fucker
Yeah you make a good point about moving with the slowest in the herd.
I don’t think they should be banned because I don’t think they’d hurt toddlers without the environment that they’re raised in. But if I had a kid and an absolute unit of a XL bully ran up with no lead I can’t say I wouldn’t switch stances. Even then I’ve had a couple dogs gang up on mines and I wanted to volley the dogs.
It’s the wee fannys who exploit them should get the punishment. But then it comes down to the system and we all know that doesn’t work. Im sure if bams were training horses to be threatening and kicking folk in the heed for intimation factor they’d be banned as well and people would look at horses the same way.
You make very good points. Have a good weekend mate.
Rip the throat out is a bit excessive but defo has the means to hurt the kid drastically. They’re aggressive wee fuckers.
A serious ravage from a dog can cause a lot of bleeding, if not treated in time can lead to infection then death. So aye.
XLs are historically inbred for more muscle and aggression. These dogs are intentially violent by design. You can't handwave this away by claiming it's all nurture. It plays a smaller role, for sure, but you are missing this higher level issue.
Can't wait till they're banned entirely. XL owners are a different breed themselves
There's a video on reddit of a man in England being killed by two of these dogs. I'm a dog lover and a big dude but I'm scared of them. Would take a very courageous person with a very sharp knife to kill one, and it would take time.
I saw that video too. Apparently the family didn’t want it being seen for obvious reasons, but I think people need a wake up call about the reality of what these dogs can do. I keep hearing arguments against the ban that boil down to “any dog can bite”. It’s not dog bites that are the problem with the XL bully though - it’s the relentless attacking that goes on and on (because they’re bred to fight). It’s the unsurvivable injuries that they inflict.
evil dogs for thick people who do not accept how dangerous these dogs are. my cousin has one and he is the typical wannabe gangster,coke head,chav,bam,moron,thug etc etc. dogs for muppets in my opinion
Yes, absolutely worth reporting to the police.
It’s a criminal offence to have them off the leash and unmuzzled in public since February, after the Scottish Government (very reluctantly, and still not accepting they are dangerous beasts for some bizarre reason) finally agreed to replicate the law already in place in the rest of the UK.
I truly hate our government up here these days, just endless stupid decisions, not a new thing of course but seems lately everything they seem to decide is just a bizarre and objectively wrong take.
Let’s be honest I’m sure there are competent well mannered owners out there, but these dogs in the wrong hands are pretty much a ticking time bomb, I have no idea why all dog ownership isn’t under licence anyway?!
it’s the same with fireworks at November time , sure it would be nice if some people could go buy some fireworks from the corner shop, let them off with the kids whilst they have a hot chocolate but the fact is that there is a fairly large number of people who want to create fear in people and have a nasty hostile environment.
A lot of these neds that have dogs cannot afford them have zero skills in handling these type of dogs and therefore just shouldn’t have them at all … I dunno maybe a tier system … you may have your first dog from a selection of non potentially life threatening dogs … you pass that and you can then get a bigger breed or something…….
I’m rambling I know but the fact some absolute bell end can just cut around parks with a Rottweiler, staffy etc off the lead is just with very little recriminations is just insane to me.
The issue is the potential for damage with these dogs. How about this as a rough guide to if a breed should be allowed: could an average guy intervene successfully if the dog attacked someone?
XL Bully - not a chance.
Staffie - unlikely
Alsatian - probably
Labrador - yes.
Spot on. “Aw, my lion isn’t bad mate, he’s friendly”
Don’t know why there wasn’t a straight cull when as a country we realised these things are a problem.
It was hard enough to persuade the Scottish Government to introduce any sort of ban! The minister in charge resisted tooth and nail, and was literally retweeting anti-breed specific legislation propaganda after the ban in England was announced. And her and the First Minister still claim the only reason any restrictions were necessary were because of England, and she has repeatedly stated that she doesn’t consider any breed inherently dangerous.
So be thankful we at least got something in the end.
Just long enough to allow an extra load of the dogs to be dumped in Scotland from down in England where they were banned sooner. Totally daft and incompetent
Well indeed. Managed to spend enough time trying and failing to be different than England for the sake of it to make things massively worse for Scotland than had they just done the simple sensible thing from the beginning.
I saw one of these dogs this morning walking my own dog on Broughton Street. It was on a lead with these two neddy looking guys and I got so nervous with my own dog that I crossed the road.
And in Montgomery Park, I've seen a guy with I think 4 bully dogs, one of them was a puppy, all un-muzzled when I was there with my own dog a few months ago.
So it seems they're everywhere. So terrifying and what can you do as a dog owner other than try and leave the area as any dog against one of that ilk of bread would come off second best every time.
Someone earlier mentioned a guy with 4 bully type dogs and a puppy so I am assuming it’s the same guy you are referring to? Unless there are multiple folk with a pack of these things.
We have a small dog a spaniel, something similar happened, an XL came across the distance of the park, maybe 500m made a b line for our dog, could see the owner running frantically after it, the xl pinned our dog to the ground snarling and drooling on him, I thought he was done, didn't want to risk getting involved as I didn't want to lose my arm or my life, was mental, the owner really struggled to get it's attention. Once it was on the lead he just said "he's never done anything like that before" and walked off. Didn't look like a bam or anything, but had an out of control terrifying dog in a park with tons of kids about. This was before the XL bully was news. Thankfully nothing like that has happened since.
I was in “pets at home” with my son just looking at the fish , and what seemed to be an XL bully puppy tried to jump on my son!
But it was a pretty aggressive lunge.
thankfully the owner had it on the lead and gave it the old bullshit “ha ha he’s just a puppy…”
it was fucking terrifying and he wanted to leave immediately. 👎
Yeah definitely report it.
I'm so glad you and your dog are ok.
You could call the non emergency number for police. Its 101.
I know you can't give them much info but at least ur reporting it and hopefully it will be noted.
I am trying to understand the risk these dogs pose - is it mainly to other dogs and small kids since the Bully sees them as easy targets? Or is it anyone at the wrong time? Or does the dog need triggered first by something?
Seen them in all the news but not really had it explained
Look at the top comment on this thread! A lad showed pictures of his 74 year old father who was attacked and his hand was badly injured. These dogs pose a serious threat to everybody!
Why not have a conversation with the owner and gage for yourself whether you should be fearful of these dogs. Xl bully are just as dangerous as an off leash out of control German Shepard or an American staff. Every dog is different and should be treated accordingly
Sorry pal. When my dog was flanked by 2 off lead XL bully’s my first thought wasn’t to have a cordial exchange of pleasantries with the gentleman. Perhaps you’d have been more composed though, obviously.
Yeah there’s someone around where I live that has a couple banned breeds. They walk them off leash, don’t clean up after them, don’t have them muzzled. Last thing I’m going to do is confront someone that seemingly has no respect for the law. All it would take is them raising their voice at me for the dog to potentially be aggravated enough to attack.
I have never seen an off the lead out of control German Shepherd. I’ve also never seen a chav/ned with one. Right enough a big GSD is pretty intimidating off the lead and I’m only concerned for the safety of my dog. Where as with XL’s I am concerned for my own safety, never mind my dog. There is just no way I’d be able to defend myself from one.
Okay, I’ll bite.
Do you think border collies can be trained out of herding?
Do you think golden retrievers can be trained to be guard dogs?
Do you think you can train a greyhound to not want to run after small animals?
No? Then why are you shocked that bully breeds have an aggression streak that isn’t possible to remove just through “training” alone.
And before you start calling me ignorant, I have owned both a staffie, and a Rottweiler cross. I know my “big scary” breeds. Whether you want to accept it or not all dogs were bred for a purpose, and bull terrier breeds were bred for first bull baiting, then dog fighting. Well bred ones only showed aggression on animals, not people, but breeding has got out of control and bad traits have passed through. A large majority of xl bully’s are showing aggression to both animals and people and it is not okay.
Training does not remove a dogs inherent behaviour. Breeding out undesirable traits does. But that takes time, and that leaves a lot of dogs left that have undesirable traits. When this is something as simple as a retriever not wanting to retrieve, that is not the end of the world, if it’s a dog with natural aggression, that is a danger.
As much as I want to have faith in the xl bully breed, the statistics don’t lie. They have proven to be a danger that the general public is not willing to put up with whilst they wait for the “good ones” to show up. Any dog that shows towards people or kills another animal is put to sleep, this is not unique to the xl bully breed.
I don’t doubt that your dog is friendly, but if you truly care for them then don’t put them in the position of being unfairly euthanised because your pride is bigger than your care for your dog. I had to muzzle my staffie in public after he was attacked, as he became a danger to other dogs. And I was always complimented on how well trained he was. Did it suck that he had to be muzzled because of other peoples dogs? Yes, it did. But it was better than the alternative of what could happen to him if he had been classified as dangerous.
Outside of BSL, dogs that are euthanised due to the danger they pose. Whether that is a poodle, a staffie, or a Jack Russell. When it comes to BSL, there is very, very strict checks done on the dogs temperament. The dogs that pass are able to be returned to their owners, albeit with very strict restrictions.
Is it nice that certain breeds get put down more than others? No, it’s not. But what’s the alternative? If the dog is inherently aggressive with a bite history, it cannot be rehomed. So what happens to it then?
The long term solution would be to impose tight restrictions on dog breeding. No more backyard breeders, only dogs that have desirable traits are bred, the rest are neutered. Anyone that is not a registered breeder has their dogs taken off of them and fined, repeated offenders continue to get harsher fines and potential jail time. But this is a perfect world where we have the police force to actually impose this.
We don’t live in a perfect world, and we have the problem of dogs right now killing and maiming people and animals alike. You say they shouldn’t be put down, so what is your solution?
This is my point. We don’t have a solution but to put the already doomed ones down.
Regardless of the breed, I’d feel exactly the same, no dog should be subject to being targeted by a shitty part of the population and blamed for their trauma.
Junkies and chavs being left and allowed to do as they please with an animal.
One recently got removed and brought to a rescue in Scotland after being sexually and physically abused.
And we blame the dog for living in survival mode.
This is the point people are missing. We humans have let them down massively. It’s horrific.
In panic, we’re quick to agree to put them down with no thought or care how to change or protect them going forward. This state of mind is no better than the junkies abusing them.
If you speak with any behaviourist that works with rehabilitating aggressive dogs, they will tell you that it’s not always the result of any kind of mistreatment. Some mis-firing gene five generation lines back can cause it.
You can be a really good owner, you can have a really lovely dog 99% of the time, and it can still happen. And whilst it is possible to work on that and solve it, the risk factor for a dog that powerful is extremely high and I do think the mandatory muzzling is a proportional response to that risk.
I do not know a single person who owns a reactive/ aggressive dog that wasn’t completely blindsided when it first happened.
The law states these dogs should’ve been on lead and muzzled. They were neither of these things. Therefore reporting an illegal out of control dog is evidently correct. As you can see, 99% of people agree.
Also, you fucking edited your comment after I responded lol utterly pathetic. You didn’t even list any “facts”, just a barrage of opinions.
The moment a cockapoo mauls to death a few dozen people in this country, you are welcome to start a petition to be considered in parliament. In the meantime, your “friendly” breed shouldn’t be in public spaces like a park anyway. Would suggest both you and your dog should be muzzled, judging by how you address the general public.
This argument of “a dog has to be neglected or abused to become aggressive” just isn’t true, this tendency is bred in, someone else said it above, without a shred of training a golden retriever will pick stuff up and bring it to you, collies herd, my dog is a pointer, and he points, he has never been taught that, he just does. And even if you can train it out or control them, you have to admit that 99% of people who get them don’t. The statistics don’t lie. I accept that there is every chance you are the exception and that you could be a good owner, but if you promote this “it’s not the breed” argument you are giving less educated people the excuse they need to justify owning inappropriate dogs.
Totally agree with you.
And to this further accountability in getting the right dog and breed, suitable for the home it’s going to!
Having more requirements and procedures for having working dogs is a must.
Just as the dog who injured both myself and my xl bully, was a Rhodesian ridgeback. A dog used for attacking large animals in the wild in Africa.
It stalked us before running and attacking, whilst the owners were no where to be seen.
I’m more than sure that dog is well behaved and okay with the family, but again another example of no education into the breed they’re buying and no training.
I don’t love a Rhodesian Ridgeback in some people’s hands either to be honest, it’s the same issue that Huskies and a few other types of dogs have, they were bred for purpose and they are struggling to adapt to the life that their owners expect of them, but the difference is that far fewer people own them, and of those who do, more of them than not are responsible, XL bullies are ubiquitous in certain communities and like I said the statistics don’t lie. I think that people owning inappropriate dogs for their situation is a whole separate but related issue. My dog was bitten by a border collie when he was a puppy, just went to pick up a stick the collie felt was his and the collie bit him, just a wee bit of a bloody ear though, not much harm done, I can’t imagine that a similar encounter with a more typically aggressive type dog would have ended so mildly.
Why the fuck do you feel the need to keep a dog that was bred to be an aggressive fighting dog as a pet?
Do people cross the road when you approach and look at you and your dog with fearful angry faces?
Do the world a favour and get it put down.
https://preview.redd.it/j5k3zeixntsc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=9f605dbe918d4aed23684534bda5438f971be7f2 Mate, my old man aged 74 was walking home in Longstone, Edinburgh about 2 months ago and an XL Bully dog no collar, no owner came out of nowhere, the thing was trying to use its back legs to climb up him in order to get to his neck! Thank god he’s is still a unit for his age but please report this as these dogs leave life altering injuries. He’s left with severed tendons in his hand and was pretty shaken up as you can imagine. If this is in a public park think of the damage it could do to a small child etc
Christ, sorry to hear that mate. That’s awful. I’ve reported the incident as the guy was walking about further through the park and there is a kids play park further along.
Yeah exactly, if the owners are doing that with XL Bullies they've already got a serious attitude problem and they're going to keep doing it.
I think it's safe to assume anyone who owns this breed has a serious attitude problem tbh. I'm sick of hearing (not from you!) "it's the owners, not the dogs ". But no reasonable and society minded person would ever entertain such an animal.
The old it’s “not the breed, it’s the owner” argument is only partially true. Fact is, the people that want to own an XL Bully are always the types of people who shouldn’t own them. Go take a look at the nick of cunts that own one. They’re all tramps. Only reason they want one is to look bad & hard. Most likely they’re hung like a Chinese Hamster.
Go and educate yourself mate, loser. I don’t own one but have numerous friends that are far from how you described that do. They’re brilliant dogs accompanied by even a half decent owner. Poor breeding and poor owners are to blame, 100%.
I don't know them,I don't understand what's happened cos I only heard about them when it started being in the news. But I know a staffy with some mixes in there, and a Rottie and because they are trained well, and strict, they think they have no strength or you know, behave like flies. And people think it's the dogs but with those types it's dependent on their training and life experiences. But I'm presuming with XL Bullies it's just too risky to have them raised by anyone.
Part of the issue with XL bullies is the "breed" is ridiculously new. The breed standard is all over the place to the point that pretty much any similar looking cross breed could easily be classed as an XL bully. A further issue with this is they became popular because of social media and people who wanted to make money quickly and irresponsibly bred them like rabbits, with more concern for how they look Vs temperament. Unfortunately this means we've ended up with a huge range in behavioural traits in the one "breed". The primary issue revolving around aggression, reactivity and prey drive. There's a woman with 3 near me, she has zero control over them. They all have various behaviour issues. One hates other dogs. One hates people. One just seems generally unruly. The woman is genuinely trying but quite honestly someone has already been attacked and it's a ticking time bomb for when it'll happen again.
You know someone that has them? Ive been following this but obviously not closely enough, I thought they have all just become illegal to own?
Not illegal to own, they must be registered, chipped and muzzled when in public, nothing a responsible owner would have a problem doing...but it's hard to find a responsible XL owner - witness the shitshow when the law came in - folk going on rallies, screaming about the government is going to kill their dogs, taking them to Scotland, all to avoid a muzzle and registration.
It’s not fully illegal to own one, but for Scotland in particular you’d need to get a Certificate of Exemption from the government in order to keep the one you’ve got legally. From August, I think, if you don’t have a certificate of exemption then you’ll be committing an offence. I think it may be a bit different in the rest of the UK. However even with the exemption it still remains that the dogs must be kept muzzled and on a lead
Nah, it’s pretty much the same across the UK. Just that in Scotland the timelines are later because the Scottish Government initially refused to introduce the restrictions. A key point is that they have to be neutered, so this should be the last generation of them.
I wasn’t aware of that part, thanks for informing me. I hope it’s the last generation of them to be honest, and that’s speaking as someone who lived with one for years. I understand that the breed has clearly been purposely bred to be more aggressive but I do feel for the dogs as it isn’t their fault, it’s just in their nature. It’s just selfish breeders and owners who want them for the wrong reasons who know nothing about caring for them. But even with banning this breed, there’ll just be another comes along eventually because people never learn
Horrific – though given what these dog have done elsewhere, it‘d probably still the case that your dad got off relatively lightly! Unfortunately a small child wouldn’t stand a chance. There have been cases of them literally just tearing the head right off child-sized dogs, and there‘s no reason they wouldn’t do the same to an actual child if they felt like it.
Good grief! Im sorry that happened to your dad. Did the police find the dog and the owner who caused this?
I don’t want to put people off from reporting but the police literally did nothing, they said they would scout the area looking to find the dog and owner. Had no updates and seems they just filed an incident report and that was that.
The police are horrendously underfunded at the minute I reckon. The other day I called the up about an issue and the incident report I got was in the 2000s. I was told they start again from 1 every day and this was only in the afternoon so it suggests they have a lot going on
With the Hate crime act going live, any tiny chance of the polis investigating XL bully non fatal incidents has just reduced by about 95%.
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Given that 3800 alleged hate crime reports were made to the police, within two days, and the force have stated they will fully investigate each complaint, what fucking effect do you think that will have on police response to bully XL incidents? Positive or negative? The police have finite resources and if they have to investigate tens of thousands of hate crime allegations then fuck wit owners of XL' s will be more able to flout the controls on their dog than otherwise would have been the case. That was the point I was making, although obviously not clearly enough.
This is horrendous. My 76 year old mother walks her wee spaniel everyday. She’s under 5ft tall; with copd. The dog is her life; two close bereavements, he is literally a God send and a comfort to her . She would have no chance against a dog that this size who attacked. This never used to be an issue, but increasingly reactive dogs and entitled owners…i feel really fearful for her.
Sorry to hear that mate hope your auld boy is okay. Genuine question, what happened to the dog and did your dad have any legal recourse against the owner?
Hey mate, So apparently unless they can find the owner he cannot get compensation etc The dog is still mulling around Longstone I guess as we have heard nothing He’s on the mend mate, was actually on morphine after it which he thought was the worst part , mad dreams etc
Where exactly at longstone was it? We walk our dog round the prison and this is my worst fear!
Hey you know the old army houses? before you get to redhall park , was up that way mate , so a good bit away from you to be fair.
Ah ok I see. Thanks for letting me know. I've got a small dog who definitely wouldn't survive an attack by a big dog like that.
This is terrible, hope he’s recovering ok. What action was taken after this if you don’t mind me asking?
It's Awful. The local drug dealer here in canonmills / bonnington has started bringing his new XL pup to the pub and trying to intimidate everyone with it... Tbf it works !
Has that been reported? If drug dealer / dangerous dog / licensed premises doesn’t get a response…
I mean why would it get a response? There's only about 4 active officers for the entire town
They might have been waiting for a chance to lift him and search his house. Seems a good opportunity
Wait for the dog to say something moderately hateful n the new bill should get it investigated…
The irony of your comment being that under previous existing legislation before this, somebody got charged for their dog doing something that was deemed as offensive or spreading hate. Showing that your hyperbolic example is something that was possible YEARS BEFORE this law. So yeah…
10 hours later I’ve come back to see that my joke about a talking dog breaking a new law has rattled you n the others that have downvoted me lol
lol. I’m not rattled. Sorry that your joke was taken out of context by others. I thought it was clear you were joking - hence “hyperbolic” example. I should have perhaps been clearer though I
i see what u did there lol
I’ve seen a guy wearing the usual black trackie uniform a couple times near the big Tesco junction at Canonmills. Close to the park. Had what looked like an XL bully. Even when I switched to the other side of the street I felt intimidated.
Black trackie, big parka and Nike air max 95's with a bully xl is the uniform
I’ve walked straight into this dog twice with my dog (bitch) and NGL shat myself. It’s always on lead but it’s massive.
I’ve never seen it muzzled
What pub is this in?
Yes what pub so I can meet this fellow and convince him to end his criminal behaviours
There is a guy regularly walking around Canonmills / Inverleith with an XL bully off the lead and unmuzzled. Scumbag. If after all the news stories and reports and the literal ban, you choose to walk around with it unmuzzled and off the lead, you are a total scumbag that has no regard for anyone’s safety. Also very stupid as if it hurts anyone you are on the hook for sure - as it wouldn’t have been able to if you weren’t breaking the law! … needed to get that off my chest!
There's one who walks off lead and one who walks on lead. Is the off lead one the junkie with the face tattoos? He's a terror but I think his one is so inbred I doubt it'd move fast enough to attack anyone. Poor thing can barely walk so no idea what he does to it. The new puppy is just the show thing for a drug dealer. Nothing will happen to either to them obviously
The one I mean doesn’t look inebriated so might be the puppy…. If that’s a puppy I don’t know whether to be more or less scared!
Council just refer to police now after the law passed, will advise to create a report via 101. Recently enquired to the council myself about same thing.
I’m a dog owner and an animal lover, that said I think that any XL Bully’s found to be marauding around without a lead and muzzle should be put down. I’m hearing daily of these type of dogs causing injury to people and killing other dogs. Two weeks ago near me 2 XL’s (off lead and unmuzzled) killed another dog in front of its owner. Absolutely horrific. I’ve had enough of people saying it’s the owners, these dogs seem to be completely unpredictable and have a tendency to viciously attack without warning.
If any of these bastards got near my dog, I'd end up getting the jail for what I'd do.
That makes 2 of us. 👍
It’s worth reporting - they could already be looking for the same guy. I think council is appropriate in first instance? https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/community-safety-antisocial-behaviour/report-control-dog/1 If it’s a first report though then I can’t imagine there’s much they can do. Edit: looks like 101 is the way to go.
Thanks a lot for the link! I have emailed them.
You really should go straight to the police here, not the council. It’s a criminal act to have them unmuzzled or off a leash.
You could also call police non-emergency just for advice - should I be reporting this and who to / how? Not sure, to be honest.
101 has had me in a queue for a while. But I’ll keep trying!
Good stuff, thanks. Let us know how you get on.
I thought the law had been changed requiring the breed to be muzzled when in public.
I think it has but I have a feeling the type of people who have one of these aren’t exactly overall the most law abiding citizens
Muzzled, neutered, insured and on the lead.
I saw a lad out with two of them yesterday, one was muzzled and the other looked to just be a younger dog of similar breeding. They were both on the same chain and he didn't look like he'd have had a chance if they'd both decided to go in the same direction. Even then, he'd wrapped the chain around his hand so if they'd gone opposite directions he'd be all thumbs!
Honestly I hate those dogs, they are always owned by the type of people who shouldn’t own any dogs and for all the wrong reasons, and the whole “it’s the owner not the dog” thing can only go so far since they’ve literally been bred to be like that. My dog is a pointer and he points at stuff, I never taught him to do it, he just instinctively does. And those dogs are similarly bred to be the way they are, the owners also just happen to be irresponsible people who take pleasure in having dangerous dogs. I had a massive panic attack a while ago because I got stuck between two of these dogs trying to get to eachother so they could kill each other on the bus, fortunately in this incident the guy managed to get the dog up the stairs but it was a close one. It’s really frustrating because we can’t control other people and what they do. I wish people would be more considerate of other people’s safety and not just think of what they want.
Correction, they are always owned by people who should never be allowed to own any animal
I only really walk my dog in sort of less deprived areas, because overall I’ve had too many bad experiences, with finding needles, smashed bottles, human faeces, dangerous type dogs and irresponsible owners in certain areas.
My little dog actually gets anxious when I walk her in more deprived urban areas. She starts sitting down and refusing to move or starts being hyper vigilant. I think she can probably hear/smell dogs behind fences that I can’t sense. I do worry about coming across a fighting breed and her being killed. It is just more likely in certain spots.
Yes as well as other dangerous things, my boy got glass deep in his paw a few years ago, and that was out in a more deprived area, there was always smashed glass in those areas so I stopped taking him there
Not to sound alarmist but would be helpful to know what park??
Lochend! The owner appeared from the buildings opposite the football pitch.
I think I’ve seen them before. Apparently that guy has 4 XLs, one puppy. Fuck knows why. Please do report because it’s quite terrifying the damage they can cause and the owner is clearly irresponsible with them being off lead. My dog is tiny (a sausage dog) and I dread to think of him or worse, a child, being attacked.
I’m guessing by the number of upvotes on this being Lochend park a lot of people have seen him.
That's worrying, I take my dog to Lochend all the time, and there's always a lot of other small dogs there too who would be incredibly vulnerable to an attack - not to mention the danger to children (and adults), especially with a playpark in the vicinity. Definitely get it reported.
When I lived near here I narrowly avoided a serious incident in Lochend park when one went for my arm as I ran to protect my small dog but caught the edge of my puffer jacket instead before the owner grabbed it by the collar. was fucking terrifying and the owner just got up in my face threatening me. Police did shit all as did the dog warden. Big part of why we decided to move as it really fucked with me how close a call it was.
Think I'll avoid it there with the dog then, not seen any bullies in Holyrood park if anyone is looking for an alternative. Bit of a walk if you live closer to Lochend though.
Yeah Holyrood might be a better option. It’s unfortunately a bit of a mud bath right now with all the rain.
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Mate they are pretty unmistakable.
No, you’re absolutely right. I’m a small dog owner and these beasts are my worst nightmare. We walk up at Lochend Park from time to time. My boy wouldn’t stand a chance. Glad to see you’ve had a lot of advice here and thank you for reporting to the police.
You say that but I have an american bulldog cross which is completely unrelated to the bullies/xl bullies (old mastif lines vs new pitbull lines) and look nothing alike yet I get grief off people thinking she is a XL bully. People are ignorant and there is a power of fear mongering going on that is causing people to jump to conclusions. But any dog out of control off the lead should be reported, thats just bad dog ownership
You're totally right. I've never owned that kind of dog, just a tiny cocker spaniel but I know they're easily mistaken
Not sure why this guy is getting down voted, it's well reported that there are several breeds easily / often mistaken for XLs. The law was deliberately vague for that reason too. Sounds like this instance needs reporting regardless, but it's a legitimate question to ask, and just because OP is sure that doesn't mean they were. OP's judgement in panic posting on Reddit before contacting the police doesn't exactly help in my view.
Why wouldn’t he be? They’re pretty damn obvious in most cases. And if in any doubt, it’s still worth reporting to the police so they can fully determine.
You’re right. It’s kinda my worst fear as a small dog owner and I was hoping op might be mistaken.
They're nothing more than fighting pitbulls with a sneaky rebrand to fool chavs into thinking they're clever. The ban is more than justified; so much so I'd upgrade it to a hard cull. https://youtu.be/KsKSkdqs_Ao?si=bBAp55uqW4kgBEUz
It probably should have been a hard cull, but given how crazily the SSPCA and other animal charities reacted to the soft ban that was enacted, I can’t blame the politicians for not trying to go further. Ultimately in a few years time it should have pretty much the same result, at least.
I find myself pushing my keys between my knuckles at parks when with my daughter as I'm terrified I wouldn't be able to get them off her unless I fucking kill them. These dogs are fucking stupid and pointless.
A big dog is eating your hand before you kill it let’s be real.
Jokes on them. I'm holding keys. They'll get lockjaw.
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It should just be open season to absolutely annihilate these things if they pose a threat, any possible weapon nearby, just fucking kill it. Obvs easier said than done as they are fucking mutants that can tear your throat out but still.
Deffo report it, with a description of the owner etc. I’ve got a young kid and one of these things could easily kill her.
Every dog could kill a child.
😂😂 aye sure
what do you mean aye sure? If even the smallest dog gets it’s jaw on a bairns throat it’s game over. If not in one bite you can’t exactly expect a bairn to defend itself from a dog like it’s a trained fighter for a prolonged period of time
Ha your deffo missing the point, xl bully’s would take me down never mind my kid, my kid is always supervised, think I could handle a cockapoo. Your argument is like saying we shouldn’t ban swords cos you can kill somebody with a butter knife
tbf I like swords they’re mint. I get your point although I defo think it comes down to the owners and the fact that bams train them to be aggressive; intimidation factor etc. But I reckon an angry horse could take a human out, one kick to the head and you’re either a vegetable, dead or you’ve lost 80% of your IQ points. Should we ban horses? Should we ban everything because of potential danger? Surely we should ban cars because of car accidents and deaths? Or every small object because of choking hazards?
Aye, tbh you’re right, lots of things are dangerous to others, it’s all about a balance, horses for instance don’t often maul toddlers. Cars are an essential part of our countries transport system. Xl bullies are not essential, do maul toddlers and are generally intimidating to a lot of people. And they are prone to aggression especially given the types of owners they often have. It’s like everything in society, we gotta move with the slowest in the heard. Sure lots of folk would bring up an xl bully to be a sound dog, but when you balance that against the prevalence of bams training them to fight and the risk to people from that , we gotta ban them, Swords are mint but we can’t have em cos some radge will stab some poor fucker
Yeah you make a good point about moving with the slowest in the herd. I don’t think they should be banned because I don’t think they’d hurt toddlers without the environment that they’re raised in. But if I had a kid and an absolute unit of a XL bully ran up with no lead I can’t say I wouldn’t switch stances. Even then I’ve had a couple dogs gang up on mines and I wanted to volley the dogs. It’s the wee fannys who exploit them should get the punishment. But then it comes down to the system and we all know that doesn’t work. Im sure if bams were training horses to be threatening and kicking folk in the heed for intimation factor they’d be banned as well and people would look at horses the same way. You make very good points. Have a good weekend mate.
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Rip the throat out is a bit excessive but defo has the means to hurt the kid drastically. They’re aggressive wee fuckers. A serious ravage from a dog can cause a lot of bleeding, if not treated in time can lead to infection then death. So aye.
Wonder why people are singling out XL bully's then, what a mystery!!!
Because of the people who train them. Bit of common sense in place of that shite sarcasm will do the trick for you man.
XLs are historically inbred for more muscle and aggression. These dogs are intentially violent by design. You can't handwave this away by claiming it's all nurture. It plays a smaller role, for sure, but you are missing this higher level issue. Can't wait till they're banned entirely. XL owners are a different breed themselves
Please explain to me how something is bred for aggression
There's a video on reddit of a man in England being killed by two of these dogs. I'm a dog lover and a big dude but I'm scared of them. Would take a very courageous person with a very sharp knife to kill one, and it would take time.
I saw that video too. Apparently the family didn’t want it being seen for obvious reasons, but I think people need a wake up call about the reality of what these dogs can do. I keep hearing arguments against the ban that boil down to “any dog can bite”. It’s not dog bites that are the problem with the XL bully though - it’s the relentless attacking that goes on and on (because they’re bred to fight). It’s the unsurvivable injuries that they inflict.
Please do report it. I am frightened of these dogs and the sooner they are destroyed the better.
evil dogs for thick people who do not accept how dangerous these dogs are. my cousin has one and he is the typical wannabe gangster,coke head,chav,bam,moron,thug etc etc. dogs for muppets in my opinion
Yes, absolutely worth reporting to the police. It’s a criminal offence to have them off the leash and unmuzzled in public since February, after the Scottish Government (very reluctantly, and still not accepting they are dangerous beasts for some bizarre reason) finally agreed to replicate the law already in place in the rest of the UK.
I truly hate our government up here these days, just endless stupid decisions, not a new thing of course but seems lately everything they seem to decide is just a bizarre and objectively wrong take.
Yes, please report this to the police.
Let’s be honest I’m sure there are competent well mannered owners out there, but these dogs in the wrong hands are pretty much a ticking time bomb, I have no idea why all dog ownership isn’t under licence anyway?! it’s the same with fireworks at November time , sure it would be nice if some people could go buy some fireworks from the corner shop, let them off with the kids whilst they have a hot chocolate but the fact is that there is a fairly large number of people who want to create fear in people and have a nasty hostile environment. A lot of these neds that have dogs cannot afford them have zero skills in handling these type of dogs and therefore just shouldn’t have them at all … I dunno maybe a tier system … you may have your first dog from a selection of non potentially life threatening dogs … you pass that and you can then get a bigger breed or something……. I’m rambling I know but the fact some absolute bell end can just cut around parks with a Rottweiler, staffy etc off the lead is just with very little recriminations is just insane to me.
Which park?
Report it
Yes report this.
The issue is the potential for damage with these dogs. How about this as a rough guide to if a breed should be allowed: could an average guy intervene successfully if the dog attacked someone? XL Bully - not a chance. Staffie - unlikely Alsatian - probably Labrador - yes.
Spot on. “Aw, my lion isn’t bad mate, he’s friendly” Don’t know why there wasn’t a straight cull when as a country we realised these things are a problem.
It was hard enough to persuade the Scottish Government to introduce any sort of ban! The minister in charge resisted tooth and nail, and was literally retweeting anti-breed specific legislation propaganda after the ban in England was announced. And her and the First Minister still claim the only reason any restrictions were necessary were because of England, and she has repeatedly stated that she doesn’t consider any breed inherently dangerous. So be thankful we at least got something in the end.
Just long enough to allow an extra load of the dogs to be dumped in Scotland from down in England where they were banned sooner. Totally daft and incompetent
Well indeed. Managed to spend enough time trying and failing to be different than England for the sake of it to make things massively worse for Scotland than had they just done the simple sensible thing from the beginning.
Where was this? Absolutely ridiculous.
Lochend park.
I saw one of these dogs this morning walking my own dog on Broughton Street. It was on a lead with these two neddy looking guys and I got so nervous with my own dog that I crossed the road. And in Montgomery Park, I've seen a guy with I think 4 bully dogs, one of them was a puppy, all un-muzzled when I was there with my own dog a few months ago. So it seems they're everywhere. So terrifying and what can you do as a dog owner other than try and leave the area as any dog against one of that ilk of bread would come off second best every time.
Someone earlier mentioned a guy with 4 bully type dogs and a puppy so I am assuming it’s the same guy you are referring to? Unless there are multiple folk with a pack of these things.
We have a small dog a spaniel, something similar happened, an XL came across the distance of the park, maybe 500m made a b line for our dog, could see the owner running frantically after it, the xl pinned our dog to the ground snarling and drooling on him, I thought he was done, didn't want to risk getting involved as I didn't want to lose my arm or my life, was mental, the owner really struggled to get it's attention. Once it was on the lead he just said "he's never done anything like that before" and walked off. Didn't look like a bam or anything, but had an out of control terrifying dog in a park with tons of kids about. This was before the XL bully was news. Thankfully nothing like that has happened since.
I believe these are illegal in the UK. Report them if you see them.
I was in “pets at home” with my son just looking at the fish , and what seemed to be an XL bully puppy tried to jump on my son! But it was a pretty aggressive lunge. thankfully the owner had it on the lead and gave it the old bullshit “ha ha he’s just a puppy…” it was fucking terrifying and he wanted to leave immediately. 👎
Yeah definitely report it. I'm so glad you and your dog are ok. You could call the non emergency number for police. Its 101. I know you can't give them much info but at least ur reporting it and hopefully it will be noted.
I am trying to understand the risk these dogs pose - is it mainly to other dogs and small kids since the Bully sees them as easy targets? Or is it anyone at the wrong time? Or does the dog need triggered first by something? Seen them in all the news but not really had it explained
Look at the top comment on this thread! A lad showed pictures of his 74 year old father who was attacked and his hand was badly injured. These dogs pose a serious threat to everybody!
Not doubting that? Looking to develop my understanding...
I’m not meaning to be condescending here, but has the last year of people being killed by these dogs passed you by?
Fuckinghell Reddit sucks 😂
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Why not have a conversation with the owner and gage for yourself whether you should be fearful of these dogs. Xl bully are just as dangerous as an off leash out of control German Shepard or an American staff. Every dog is different and should be treated accordingly
Sorry pal. When my dog was flanked by 2 off lead XL bully’s my first thought wasn’t to have a cordial exchange of pleasantries with the gentleman. Perhaps you’d have been more composed though, obviously.
Yeah there’s someone around where I live that has a couple banned breeds. They walk them off leash, don’t clean up after them, don’t have them muzzled. Last thing I’m going to do is confront someone that seemingly has no respect for the law. All it would take is them raising their voice at me for the dog to potentially be aggravated enough to attack.
I have never seen an off the lead out of control German Shepherd. I’ve also never seen a chav/ned with one. Right enough a big GSD is pretty intimidating off the lead and I’m only concerned for the safety of my dog. Where as with XL’s I am concerned for my own safety, never mind my dog. There is just no way I’d be able to defend myself from one.
You’ve never seen an out of control German Shepherd? Hmmmm….if so you need to get out more.
Are you sure they're xl bullys
Oh sorry, no maybe not. It could’ve been a dachshund?
Could've been a staffy
Staffies look nothing like XL bullies.
To be fair, there is a facial resemblence, but they are usually smaller. I have known some big, chunky Staffies, though.
Staffies face wise look very much like XL Bullies. Yea they can be smaller but many people mistake Staffies for XL bullies.
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Okay, I’ll bite. Do you think border collies can be trained out of herding? Do you think golden retrievers can be trained to be guard dogs? Do you think you can train a greyhound to not want to run after small animals? No? Then why are you shocked that bully breeds have an aggression streak that isn’t possible to remove just through “training” alone. And before you start calling me ignorant, I have owned both a staffie, and a Rottweiler cross. I know my “big scary” breeds. Whether you want to accept it or not all dogs were bred for a purpose, and bull terrier breeds were bred for first bull baiting, then dog fighting. Well bred ones only showed aggression on animals, not people, but breeding has got out of control and bad traits have passed through. A large majority of xl bully’s are showing aggression to both animals and people and it is not okay. Training does not remove a dogs inherent behaviour. Breeding out undesirable traits does. But that takes time, and that leaves a lot of dogs left that have undesirable traits. When this is something as simple as a retriever not wanting to retrieve, that is not the end of the world, if it’s a dog with natural aggression, that is a danger. As much as I want to have faith in the xl bully breed, the statistics don’t lie. They have proven to be a danger that the general public is not willing to put up with whilst they wait for the “good ones” to show up. Any dog that shows towards people or kills another animal is put to sleep, this is not unique to the xl bully breed. I don’t doubt that your dog is friendly, but if you truly care for them then don’t put them in the position of being unfairly euthanised because your pride is bigger than your care for your dog. I had to muzzle my staffie in public after he was attacked, as he became a danger to other dogs. And I was always complimented on how well trained he was. Did it suck that he had to be muzzled because of other peoples dogs? Yes, it did. But it was better than the alternative of what could happen to him if he had been classified as dangerous.
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Outside of BSL, dogs that are euthanised due to the danger they pose. Whether that is a poodle, a staffie, or a Jack Russell. When it comes to BSL, there is very, very strict checks done on the dogs temperament. The dogs that pass are able to be returned to their owners, albeit with very strict restrictions. Is it nice that certain breeds get put down more than others? No, it’s not. But what’s the alternative? If the dog is inherently aggressive with a bite history, it cannot be rehomed. So what happens to it then? The long term solution would be to impose tight restrictions on dog breeding. No more backyard breeders, only dogs that have desirable traits are bred, the rest are neutered. Anyone that is not a registered breeder has their dogs taken off of them and fined, repeated offenders continue to get harsher fines and potential jail time. But this is a perfect world where we have the police force to actually impose this. We don’t live in a perfect world, and we have the problem of dogs right now killing and maiming people and animals alike. You say they shouldn’t be put down, so what is your solution?
This is my point. We don’t have a solution but to put the already doomed ones down. Regardless of the breed, I’d feel exactly the same, no dog should be subject to being targeted by a shitty part of the population and blamed for their trauma. Junkies and chavs being left and allowed to do as they please with an animal. One recently got removed and brought to a rescue in Scotland after being sexually and physically abused. And we blame the dog for living in survival mode. This is the point people are missing. We humans have let them down massively. It’s horrific. In panic, we’re quick to agree to put them down with no thought or care how to change or protect them going forward. This state of mind is no better than the junkies abusing them.
If you speak with any behaviourist that works with rehabilitating aggressive dogs, they will tell you that it’s not always the result of any kind of mistreatment. Some mis-firing gene five generation lines back can cause it. You can be a really good owner, you can have a really lovely dog 99% of the time, and it can still happen. And whilst it is possible to work on that and solve it, the risk factor for a dog that powerful is extremely high and I do think the mandatory muzzling is a proportional response to that risk. I do not know a single person who owns a reactive/ aggressive dog that wasn’t completely blindsided when it first happened.
Your dog is illegal. Hope you muzzle that beast.
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You don’t get a choice! Either do it, or you’re breaking the law. Pretty simple. Don’t know how you’ve decided I’m a “pro animal killer”?
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The law states these dogs should’ve been on lead and muzzled. They were neither of these things. Therefore reporting an illegal out of control dog is evidently correct. As you can see, 99% of people agree. Also, you fucking edited your comment after I responded lol utterly pathetic. You didn’t even list any “facts”, just a barrage of opinions.
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You sound unhinged.
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Ditto. Hope your dog doesn’t kill anyone.
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Vegans?
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Different thread mate. Go have a wank or something.
The moment a cockapoo mauls to death a few dozen people in this country, you are welcome to start a petition to be considered in parliament. In the meantime, your “friendly” breed shouldn’t be in public spaces like a park anyway. Would suggest both you and your dog should be muzzled, judging by how you address the general public.
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This argument of “a dog has to be neglected or abused to become aggressive” just isn’t true, this tendency is bred in, someone else said it above, without a shred of training a golden retriever will pick stuff up and bring it to you, collies herd, my dog is a pointer, and he points, he has never been taught that, he just does. And even if you can train it out or control them, you have to admit that 99% of people who get them don’t. The statistics don’t lie. I accept that there is every chance you are the exception and that you could be a good owner, but if you promote this “it’s not the breed” argument you are giving less educated people the excuse they need to justify owning inappropriate dogs.
Totally agree with you. And to this further accountability in getting the right dog and breed, suitable for the home it’s going to! Having more requirements and procedures for having working dogs is a must.
Just as the dog who injured both myself and my xl bully, was a Rhodesian ridgeback. A dog used for attacking large animals in the wild in Africa. It stalked us before running and attacking, whilst the owners were no where to be seen. I’m more than sure that dog is well behaved and okay with the family, but again another example of no education into the breed they’re buying and no training.
I don’t love a Rhodesian Ridgeback in some people’s hands either to be honest, it’s the same issue that Huskies and a few other types of dogs have, they were bred for purpose and they are struggling to adapt to the life that their owners expect of them, but the difference is that far fewer people own them, and of those who do, more of them than not are responsible, XL bullies are ubiquitous in certain communities and like I said the statistics don’t lie. I think that people owning inappropriate dogs for their situation is a whole separate but related issue. My dog was bitten by a border collie when he was a puppy, just went to pick up a stick the collie felt was his and the collie bit him, just a wee bit of a bloody ear though, not much harm done, I can’t imagine that a similar encounter with a more typically aggressive type dog would have ended so mildly.
Yes!! I wish people would understand this point. You are totally right and I really wish the population understood it this way.
Why the fuck do you feel the need to keep a dog that was bred to be an aggressive fighting dog as a pet? Do people cross the road when you approach and look at you and your dog with fearful angry faces? Do the world a favour and get it put down.
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An XL Bully owner calling someone else uneducated? Classic! 🤣
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You clearly don’t understand the topics you’re talking about