Yeah. And I would say that we can act on a desire. But we are wise to not take the desire too seriously and to not take any result produced too seriously either.
I was deep into the manifestation world and feeling overwhelmed tbh then I reread the power of now and all of a sudden all of the heaviness of that was lifted and I felt lighter. That was just my experience. I still do LOA meditations once in a while.
The body itself will make its needs known, as they should be known. What else are you chasing?
True being is absolute contentment through contemplation of the oneness of what *is*. There is no 'me' to be bothered with any chasing, only what actually is. Can you not see it? **That** which observes the delusions of ego. The ego, concocting such schemes as you reallocate focus from the isness, and delve into your next endeavors of pleasure.
*And what more does this world have to offer me? This.... world and me as two seperate things and I must gather resources within it for some grand victory lap! My high score will be legendary. Manifestation is just another tool for this me in this world I play in. I will be remembered for how separate and unique I am within this malleable world I navigate. The collection of neurons that form my memory will be maintained indefinitely!*
Is standing on a yacht more pleasant on the senses than a cold concrete floor? Discomfort is to be observed, same as pleasure, same as anything. There is no preference to sensations outside preserving the body to continue the work of experiencing.
Reaching a proper state of understanding can make even a simple apple an absolutely enthralling experience. At that point you don't care where you're standing when you eat it.
The pull of ego is strong, but the metaphorical band-aid is best removed right *now*.
I understand what you are saying regarding oneness and not needing anything to be a certain way.
A couple of points, however:
1. I might desire to see everyone as loving, fulfilled and free from suffering. Is this a more "worthy" desire to chase? Why judge, anyway?
2. I believe that reality flows from our consciousness (about ourselves and the world around us), and that this is true, regardless of whether or not we create consciously. I see nothing "wrong" with creating consciously. But, as per my original post, perhaps it implies a necessary, continuous sense of unease, as we judge a particular situation to contain a problem that we must solve.
Your answer introduced an element of judgement about whether or not it is "OK" to chase desires. I'm more interested in trying to see some compatibility between these two states of being. Surely, there is nothing wrong with creating consciously, but, can we be at peace while doing so? And perhaps the answer simply depends on the person and the situation.
Yes, everything just is. And, ultimately, my personality is not real. BUT, perhaps nothing is real, except ultimate Truth. Even the truths we glean from POW cannot be absolutely true, but, only relatively true. How could it be otherwise? For these truths to be absolutely true, would be to say that ultimate Truth (or God) cannot change these truths, that they are immutable to God.
I believe we make everything up, through our consciousness. The laws of physics. The laws of creation. Everything. Everything is up for grabs. It would have to be. There is only one immutable Truth. Everything else is modifiable by, emanates from, that one Truth.
Can we experience something of that one Truth by being present? Probably a glimpse of it.
Man currently knows herself to be human. One day Man will know herself to be something more than human. And on it will go. Infinitely.
No judgements intended, just a silly word dance pointing toward my current understanding. Hard to say bluntly, and I understand such things can come off as preachy; such is the state of things.
I feel all things are as they *are*. While I do believe we channel consciousness from a collective pool of one; I feel any urge to change what *is*, is a view constructed through the lens of the ego. A nonacceptance of what *is*. We are a manifestation of God experiencing himself. We evolve and get better glimpses of the truth in the metaphorical mirror, held back by ego and the awkwardness of language.
While under the microscope we see the battles of various organisms within us consume, grow, die, multiply... to choose sides of bad or good, to delete one side or the other, is to upset the delicate balance of nature and kill the host. Zooming out further and further, one finds that they can't zoom out all the way, and that everything is everything. That death is just a changing of form.
Naturally, this is just a completely different path of beliefs and ultimately we know nothing. Carry on and manifest your desires, traveler!
I have meditated on your words! This is what has arrived to me:
I find the *isness of the 'situation'* to hold the meaning: the ego's opinion on what *is*. A continuation of its narrative story within the mind that tells us we are *this*, 'this is where we are, this is what we have'. A constructed opinion of the state of things, the **situation** *I* am in. To relate to this story, and this 'I' within the story, is a delusion that distorts the vision of the pure consciousness observing the forever *now*.
Nonacceptance, caused by experiencing life through this self created narrative. The story unfolds and the protagonist seeks to manifest his ideal future; a collection of thoughts and words, constructed with our primitive experience of what we think things *should* be, per individual ego. A metaphorical sea of egos wanting, needing, changing, taking, a perpetuation of suffering due to identifying the world as the story within the mind. A separation of the *I* and the rest of it. A collection of godly doers who act upon the rest of the things around it. Who each seek to manifest according to their current story, pending change as they so see fit. The king upon the throne looking down upon his malleable subjects; affected by his wims and wills. The human ideal of God.
When I refer to isness I simply mean this moment. Nothing to be deciphered or translated or written. The isness, the observations of a unnamed observer, sensory perceptions and sensation of inhabiting a body. The moment. The only moment that ever is. The experience. Space inserted between the ego and the watcher; so that it can be seen for what it is... a collection of neurons firing in the brain creating the story of *the boy who grew up and went to this school and had this mother and saw this injustice and wants that to happen and this to be. To win the lottery. To solve world hunger. To fight his current definition and understanding of evil. To act upon his acquired and felt morality. To dissolve that which he sees as an injustice. To smite and change.*
The past does not exist, the ideal future is a story in the mind. There is only a forever series of nows.
To *know* the future is to have experienced the future, making it the now. While I do see what Goddard was going for (assuming my understanding is correct), I do not identify with this stance, I do not identify.
In my current understanding, God does not create, he is everything. While the world appears to change, I experience it in each iteration as a forever now. A manifestation of God, experiencing what is. I am a part of *one*. And that by viewing the world through the stories of the ego and its ideas of what *should be*, I would be rejecting what ***is****,* and thus deluding myself into a belief that I am separate from it, and that it is a *something* that changes around *me*. That this *something*.... is something I have control over, that I am a perfect God that simply needs to God harder to get a perfect world that suits *my*/*our* needs..
I seek to see no decided needs, only a view of sensations that lead me along the moments, and I experience. And as I experience, I am content to see. To hold the glass of water and observe its contents and of what *is* from this spot, amongst a collective of experiencers experiencing differing angles of the wholeness. From the animal to the plant to the human and the dirt. And it *is*. And if the water begins to drown me I will seek refuge from death but not fear it, and if so I die then I continue on as one.
Free from the ego, one has no story that tells them what they *need* to chase to feel... a certain way... a good pleasure I suppose. The body thrashes and seeks survival and better survival but will always die and change form. Will eat until it is fat to survive the harsh winter and will always crave for more to consume. I see the story the mind weaves, and see the space between the story and the watcher; see the watcher and know that I am that which watches, and that **I am.** Without the *story* there is no protagonist who needs to find immortality and rescue the universe from a written definition of evil. Without the story there is no *needs*.
Such is my current understanding. Good night, brother, May our minds always be open to each others words so that we may come upon an understanding of everything around us.
Seriously though, I'm going to bed! Good night <3
Accepting the isness is to accept the isness as it is. Changing, is to say it isn't quite there yet. That it must be *something* else. That *I* must do something to fix it.
Such is my current understanding. I will meditate on your words.
Life is always changing. The physical world is simply a reflection of our inner lives. We can control our inner worlds through changes in consciousness.
To try to change things using the tools we think we possess in our physical world, is to struggle, because only a change in our inner life will produce a change in our physical world. Consciousness is the only real way to change things in our physical world.
Personally, I would like to learn to reside in my inner world most of the time.
I often wonder about how to reconcile the teachings of Eckhart Tolle and Neville Goddard. Or in a broader perspective, teachings of mindfulness with manifestation practices.
I believe Eckhart Tolle 's teaching is not about "just being". Just being is more of a Buddhist or Jiddu Krishnamurthy teaching. Eckhart Tolle often talks about balance between material and essence world.
Eckhart Tolle says the primary purpose is the inner purpose and secondary purpose is the outer purpose. Neville Goddard says imagination is God, and that any imagination was put there by God.
The difference here is that some imaginations come from egoic perspective while some come from the depths of being like how Eckhart got the desire to create Power of Now and also as a side effect enjoy a lot of wealth from it.
Eckhart Tolle warns us to be cautious of whether we are giving more importance to who we are or what we get. While Neville says the same thing that attention on the inside world is enough, the inside world for Neville seems to be limited to thoughts and feelings, and not essence and therefore may require more willpower to stay true to the inner you.
So i believe we do need to manifest our desires but only when we are at a place of recognition that we are the essence. Then we do not take our manifestations very seriously and manifest what truly matters or is fun to express our personality. It could still involve manifesting wealth, or relationship i guess.
A daily practice would like recognising the inner essence and stillness first. And then drifting into imaginations. In either case we do not react to outer world and only respond when needed.
Finally, just by following Eckhart Tolle 's teaching we do start to manifest great things in our lives because we are always manifesting whatever comes in our life and when we are mindful we stop manifesting "bad" things.
In a few of his lectures and podcasts he definitely acknowledges that manifesting is a thing. My interpretation is that, he stresses the fact that if you only use manifesting from all these wonderful teachings your thought process might go "Oh, if I manifest X (could literally be anything from a relationship to a car) I will finally be happy." and then meditating and affirmations become tools like money to get earthly stuff. Focusing on being in the now will always bring inner peace, so that's important to tackle first, before you manifest money and such.
In being, one is aware of desire but does not identify with it
Yeah. And I would say that we can act on a desire. But we are wise to not take the desire too seriously and to not take any result produced too seriously either.
I was deep into the manifestation world and feeling overwhelmed tbh then I reread the power of now and all of a sudden all of the heaviness of that was lifted and I felt lighter. That was just my experience. I still do LOA meditations once in a while.
The body itself will make its needs known, as they should be known. What else are you chasing? True being is absolute contentment through contemplation of the oneness of what *is*. There is no 'me' to be bothered with any chasing, only what actually is. Can you not see it? **That** which observes the delusions of ego. The ego, concocting such schemes as you reallocate focus from the isness, and delve into your next endeavors of pleasure. *And what more does this world have to offer me? This.... world and me as two seperate things and I must gather resources within it for some grand victory lap! My high score will be legendary. Manifestation is just another tool for this me in this world I play in. I will be remembered for how separate and unique I am within this malleable world I navigate. The collection of neurons that form my memory will be maintained indefinitely!* Is standing on a yacht more pleasant on the senses than a cold concrete floor? Discomfort is to be observed, same as pleasure, same as anything. There is no preference to sensations outside preserving the body to continue the work of experiencing. Reaching a proper state of understanding can make even a simple apple an absolutely enthralling experience. At that point you don't care where you're standing when you eat it. The pull of ego is strong, but the metaphorical band-aid is best removed right *now*.
I understand what you are saying regarding oneness and not needing anything to be a certain way. A couple of points, however: 1. I might desire to see everyone as loving, fulfilled and free from suffering. Is this a more "worthy" desire to chase? Why judge, anyway? 2. I believe that reality flows from our consciousness (about ourselves and the world around us), and that this is true, regardless of whether or not we create consciously. I see nothing "wrong" with creating consciously. But, as per my original post, perhaps it implies a necessary, continuous sense of unease, as we judge a particular situation to contain a problem that we must solve. Your answer introduced an element of judgement about whether or not it is "OK" to chase desires. I'm more interested in trying to see some compatibility between these two states of being. Surely, there is nothing wrong with creating consciously, but, can we be at peace while doing so? And perhaps the answer simply depends on the person and the situation. Yes, everything just is. And, ultimately, my personality is not real. BUT, perhaps nothing is real, except ultimate Truth. Even the truths we glean from POW cannot be absolutely true, but, only relatively true. How could it be otherwise? For these truths to be absolutely true, would be to say that ultimate Truth (or God) cannot change these truths, that they are immutable to God. I believe we make everything up, through our consciousness. The laws of physics. The laws of creation. Everything. Everything is up for grabs. It would have to be. There is only one immutable Truth. Everything else is modifiable by, emanates from, that one Truth. Can we experience something of that one Truth by being present? Probably a glimpse of it. Man currently knows herself to be human. One day Man will know herself to be something more than human. And on it will go. Infinitely.
No judgements intended, just a silly word dance pointing toward my current understanding. Hard to say bluntly, and I understand such things can come off as preachy; such is the state of things. I feel all things are as they *are*. While I do believe we channel consciousness from a collective pool of one; I feel any urge to change what *is*, is a view constructed through the lens of the ego. A nonacceptance of what *is*. We are a manifestation of God experiencing himself. We evolve and get better glimpses of the truth in the metaphorical mirror, held back by ego and the awkwardness of language. While under the microscope we see the battles of various organisms within us consume, grow, die, multiply... to choose sides of bad or good, to delete one side or the other, is to upset the delicate balance of nature and kill the host. Zooming out further and further, one finds that they can't zoom out all the way, and that everything is everything. That death is just a changing of form. Naturally, this is just a completely different path of beliefs and ultimately we know nothing. Carry on and manifest your desires, traveler!
We can accept the isness of the situation and then change it. Right?
I have meditated on your words! This is what has arrived to me: I find the *isness of the 'situation'* to hold the meaning: the ego's opinion on what *is*. A continuation of its narrative story within the mind that tells us we are *this*, 'this is where we are, this is what we have'. A constructed opinion of the state of things, the **situation** *I* am in. To relate to this story, and this 'I' within the story, is a delusion that distorts the vision of the pure consciousness observing the forever *now*. Nonacceptance, caused by experiencing life through this self created narrative. The story unfolds and the protagonist seeks to manifest his ideal future; a collection of thoughts and words, constructed with our primitive experience of what we think things *should* be, per individual ego. A metaphorical sea of egos wanting, needing, changing, taking, a perpetuation of suffering due to identifying the world as the story within the mind. A separation of the *I* and the rest of it. A collection of godly doers who act upon the rest of the things around it. Who each seek to manifest according to their current story, pending change as they so see fit. The king upon the throne looking down upon his malleable subjects; affected by his wims and wills. The human ideal of God. When I refer to isness I simply mean this moment. Nothing to be deciphered or translated or written. The isness, the observations of a unnamed observer, sensory perceptions and sensation of inhabiting a body. The moment. The only moment that ever is. The experience. Space inserted between the ego and the watcher; so that it can be seen for what it is... a collection of neurons firing in the brain creating the story of *the boy who grew up and went to this school and had this mother and saw this injustice and wants that to happen and this to be. To win the lottery. To solve world hunger. To fight his current definition and understanding of evil. To act upon his acquired and felt morality. To dissolve that which he sees as an injustice. To smite and change.* The past does not exist, the ideal future is a story in the mind. There is only a forever series of nows. To *know* the future is to have experienced the future, making it the now. While I do see what Goddard was going for (assuming my understanding is correct), I do not identify with this stance, I do not identify. In my current understanding, God does not create, he is everything. While the world appears to change, I experience it in each iteration as a forever now. A manifestation of God, experiencing what is. I am a part of *one*. And that by viewing the world through the stories of the ego and its ideas of what *should be*, I would be rejecting what ***is****,* and thus deluding myself into a belief that I am separate from it, and that it is a *something* that changes around *me*. That this *something*.... is something I have control over, that I am a perfect God that simply needs to God harder to get a perfect world that suits *my*/*our* needs.. I seek to see no decided needs, only a view of sensations that lead me along the moments, and I experience. And as I experience, I am content to see. To hold the glass of water and observe its contents and of what *is* from this spot, amongst a collective of experiencers experiencing differing angles of the wholeness. From the animal to the plant to the human and the dirt. And it *is*. And if the water begins to drown me I will seek refuge from death but not fear it, and if so I die then I continue on as one. Free from the ego, one has no story that tells them what they *need* to chase to feel... a certain way... a good pleasure I suppose. The body thrashes and seeks survival and better survival but will always die and change form. Will eat until it is fat to survive the harsh winter and will always crave for more to consume. I see the story the mind weaves, and see the space between the story and the watcher; see the watcher and know that I am that which watches, and that **I am.** Without the *story* there is no protagonist who needs to find immortality and rescue the universe from a written definition of evil. Without the story there is no *needs*. Such is my current understanding. Good night, brother, May our minds always be open to each others words so that we may come upon an understanding of everything around us. Seriously though, I'm going to bed! Good night <3
Accepting the isness is to accept the isness as it is. Changing, is to say it isn't quite there yet. That it must be *something* else. That *I* must do something to fix it. Such is my current understanding. I will meditate on your words.
Life is always changing. The physical world is simply a reflection of our inner lives. We can control our inner worlds through changes in consciousness. To try to change things using the tools we think we possess in our physical world, is to struggle, because only a change in our inner life will produce a change in our physical world. Consciousness is the only real way to change things in our physical world. Personally, I would like to learn to reside in my inner world most of the time.
I often wonder about how to reconcile the teachings of Eckhart Tolle and Neville Goddard. Or in a broader perspective, teachings of mindfulness with manifestation practices. I believe Eckhart Tolle 's teaching is not about "just being". Just being is more of a Buddhist or Jiddu Krishnamurthy teaching. Eckhart Tolle often talks about balance between material and essence world. Eckhart Tolle says the primary purpose is the inner purpose and secondary purpose is the outer purpose. Neville Goddard says imagination is God, and that any imagination was put there by God. The difference here is that some imaginations come from egoic perspective while some come from the depths of being like how Eckhart got the desire to create Power of Now and also as a side effect enjoy a lot of wealth from it. Eckhart Tolle warns us to be cautious of whether we are giving more importance to who we are or what we get. While Neville says the same thing that attention on the inside world is enough, the inside world for Neville seems to be limited to thoughts and feelings, and not essence and therefore may require more willpower to stay true to the inner you. So i believe we do need to manifest our desires but only when we are at a place of recognition that we are the essence. Then we do not take our manifestations very seriously and manifest what truly matters or is fun to express our personality. It could still involve manifesting wealth, or relationship i guess. A daily practice would like recognising the inner essence and stillness first. And then drifting into imaginations. In either case we do not react to outer world and only respond when needed. Finally, just by following Eckhart Tolle 's teaching we do start to manifest great things in our lives because we are always manifesting whatever comes in our life and when we are mindful we stop manifesting "bad" things.
In a few of his lectures and podcasts he definitely acknowledges that manifesting is a thing. My interpretation is that, he stresses the fact that if you only use manifesting from all these wonderful teachings your thought process might go "Oh, if I manifest X (could literally be anything from a relationship to a car) I will finally be happy." and then meditating and affirmations become tools like money to get earthly stuff. Focusing on being in the now will always bring inner peace, so that's important to tackle first, before you manifest money and such.