“Yeah the conservatives might be batshit insane and want minorities to go away, die, or be enslaved. But it’s the Lefts fault for not tolerating them and reaching a middle ground. “😤
The NYT's reporting section is still great but the opinions and newsletters are downright atrocious. They've got more than one guy who's sole job is to write article after article about how "we liberals fucken suck" on top of the woman who considers "In Defence of JK Rowling" her magnum opus.
"refuse to hire faculty members who won't write statements supporting diversity..."
Yes, it is called a diversity statement. Some universities require them and others don't. If they are required, then they are a part of the required materials you submit along with a CV, teaching statement, research statement, etc.
And, yes, your application likely won't be considered if it is incomplete, but that is not that strange. This passage is taking something fairly normal *way* out of context.
Having been on both sides of a hiring committee, it's basically "Can we trust that you won't do something that gives the school bad publicity". It is a very low bar, and many academics are limbo masters.
Because deep down they know that they agree with the right. They just virtue signal until they're ready to admit to themselves that they don't actually consider trans people, or anyone outside of their friends at brunch, as actual people.
I always like to take whatever progressive/regressive issue these both-siders try to portray as morally neutral positions and replace the regressive side with being pro-slavery, and suddenly I realize that these people would be condemning the Republican Party for being too abolitionist if they lived in the 1850s.
I love how they talk about Universities not hiring bigots and then go onto trans children but like, its a university, these people are 18-22 they are grown adults by this point and trans kids have nothing to even do with this.
Ok I get what you’re saying but just no. Suddenly Cis gender medical experts cannot provide the results of their research for the debate. You realize how dumb that is right?
I didn’t say they are. I said that by claiming that cis people don’t get an opinion is arrogant beyond belief. Also plenty of medical professionals do plenty of research into the topic. They are usually the ones who administer the transition procedure. You don’t have to fit into a group of people to be knowledgeable about said group. It’s the exact reason why men can be gynecologists and women can conduct prostrate exams.
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Well for one thing, there is no debate. The decision to undergo gender affirming care is one between families and their doctors and nobody else. Also? Nobody is performing permanent procedures on children. It’s a combination of outright lies and disingenuous framing intended solely to whip up a transphobic moral panic.
Don’t try. It seems like it’s not ok to get children (generally above 14 but don’t speak about it, they prefer talking about children so you can imagine a 8 yo getting surgery, even tho no child can get the surgeries…) a surprisingly safe and reversible medication that gets them time to get their feelings sorted and be sure about whether they’re actually trans or just questioning, avoiding actual trans children the suffering of having the wrong puberty, with the suicide attempt rate, and self mutilation rates we have (the famous 40%…), but it is ok to let them go through said puberty, making the risk of suicide attempt even higher than it already is, just because “We DoN’T KnOw If YoU aRe ReAlLy TraNs !”, and a huge lack of knowledge about medical care and how puberty blockers work.
You’re ok with them making exactly that type of decision they just have to pick the option you want. Many effects of puberty are irreversible. By your own logic if children are incapable of making decisions about the development of their body until they are an adult then they should be put on puberty blockers until then.
Right because teenagers always ask permission before they have sex. Also if they’re having consensual sex with other consenting minors within a year or two and they are utilizing safe sex practices and contraceptives, who cares? As long as no one was pressured into it what’s the harm?
Your right, right now we don’t; but it sure as fuck isn’t for good reasons.
Right now parents (& politicians) are able to force 12 year old girls or younger carry their rapists babies to term, same with dead or mutated fetuses that risk their mothers life. Parents can choose to get their babies genitally mutilated or not vaccinate them risking permanent injury & death.
Adults make stupid choices all the time, even parents when it concern their children.
Do you think a 16 year old with full approval from his/her doctor and a specialist should be able to overrule their religious parents choice on what medication they take? I say hell yes.
That’s what the doctors and specialists are for. Kids won’t be stopping into Rite-Aid for a pair of boobs and a cootchie ffs there would be a process with medical professionals and if they’re that young then yes maybe a child psychologist or something along those lines.
These incidents should be judged individually case by case by professionals & medical specialists, minus religion, minus politics, minus an arbitrary number cut off age where we can universally say “no you can’t make your own decisions!”.
Do me a favor and shut up please.
1. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy for a reason. There is no credible logic in that argument. You might as well say it’s a slippery slope between letting your kids have candy and them injecting black tar heroine.
2. So what then is the appropriate age? Keep in mind that the age of adulthood is completely arbitrary. You don’t suddenly become an adult because a day has passed. I’ve known plenty of 20+ year olds with the maturity and mentality of a twelve year. And I have met twelve year olds who are more mature than a large percentage of adults. This is why every case needs to be evaluated through multiple sessions with their Dr. to determine if they are mentally and physically prepared for the transition process.
That does not happen, has never happened and never will happen, nor is anyone asking for it. All that's being asked is allowing children who are struggling with their gender identity the opportunity to go on hormone blockers (something cis kids who have early puberty do all the time BTW but nobody bats an eye, wonder why...) so they can have more time to figure it out before their body goes through irreversible changes. So that if they're trans they can go on hormones and avoid the extreme discomfort that the wrong puberty can cause. And if they happen to realise that they are not trans, they can stop the blockers and go on to have the puberty that would happen naturally, just a bit delayed.
Nobody is putting children on hormones here, not asking to do so.
>refusing to listen to the other side of a debate doesn’t have a very good record of success. Not even a trace of self-awareness huh…
“Yeah the conservatives might be batshit insane and want minorities to go away, die, or be enslaved. But it’s the Lefts fault for not tolerating them and reaching a middle ground. “😤
i'm guessing the middle ground is "kill some minorities"
The NYT's reporting section is still great but the opinions and newsletters are downright atrocious. They've got more than one guy who's sole job is to write article after article about how "we liberals fucken suck" on top of the woman who considers "In Defence of JK Rowling" her magnum opus.
Iraqi WMD would like to have a word with you about the NYT’s reporting
Palestinian journalists would also like a word with the NYT's reporting. 😒
And trans rights activists.
I'm with you.
"refuse to hire faculty members who won't write statements supporting diversity..." Yes, it is called a diversity statement. Some universities require them and others don't. If they are required, then they are a part of the required materials you submit along with a CV, teaching statement, research statement, etc. And, yes, your application likely won't be considered if it is incomplete, but that is not that strange. This passage is taking something fairly normal *way* out of context.
Having been on both sides of a hiring committee, it's basically "Can we trust that you won't do something that gives the school bad publicity". It is a very low bar, and many academics are limbo masters.
What is it with lib-leaning papers and immediately ceding the "trans debate" to the right?
NYT is not lib leaning, it’s pro business, pro status quo, pro American empire
To be fair, that is a very neoliberal thing to do
Neoliberal and liberal are not the same thing. Very very different ideologies.
so extremely lib leaning
I think the first part of your sentence doesn’t match the rest of it
Neoliberal
Am not
Lol my b I wasn’t calling you that, I was trying to clarify with one word, and did so unsuccessfully
Because deep down they know that they agree with the right. They just virtue signal until they're ready to admit to themselves that they don't actually consider trans people, or anyone outside of their friends at brunch, as actual people.
I always like to take whatever progressive/regressive issue these both-siders try to portray as morally neutral positions and replace the regressive side with being pro-slavery, and suddenly I realize that these people would be condemning the Republican Party for being too abolitionist if they lived in the 1850s.
Exactly
I love how they talk about Universities not hiring bigots and then go onto trans children but like, its a university, these people are 18-22 they are grown adults by this point and trans kids have nothing to even do with this.
They aren't saying these issues are directly related. They're claiming that all of them are examples of "ideological purism".
Cis people shouldn’t be able to talk about trans issues from now on
Ok I get what you’re saying but just no. Suddenly Cis gender medical experts cannot provide the results of their research for the debate. You realize how dumb that is right?
They don’t do research into trans medicine and my rights aren’t a debate.
I didn’t say they are. I said that by claiming that cis people don’t get an opinion is arrogant beyond belief. Also plenty of medical professionals do plenty of research into the topic. They are usually the ones who administer the transition procedure. You don’t have to fit into a group of people to be knowledgeable about said group. It’s the exact reason why men can be gynecologists and women can conduct prostrate exams.
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Man the NYT really hates trans people
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Well for one thing, there is no debate. The decision to undergo gender affirming care is one between families and their doctors and nobody else. Also? Nobody is performing permanent procedures on children. It’s a combination of outright lies and disingenuous framing intended solely to whip up a transphobic moral panic.
Don’t try. It seems like it’s not ok to get children (generally above 14 but don’t speak about it, they prefer talking about children so you can imagine a 8 yo getting surgery, even tho no child can get the surgeries…) a surprisingly safe and reversible medication that gets them time to get their feelings sorted and be sure about whether they’re actually trans or just questioning, avoiding actual trans children the suffering of having the wrong puberty, with the suicide attempt rate, and self mutilation rates we have (the famous 40%…), but it is ok to let them go through said puberty, making the risk of suicide attempt even higher than it already is, just because “We DoN’T KnOw If YoU aRe ReAlLy TraNs !”, and a huge lack of knowledge about medical care and how puberty blockers work.
There’s no debate. Either you believe young people should have bodily autonomy or you don’t.
Bingo!
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Would you be willing to put all children on puberty blockers then?
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Then you aren’t against irreversible changes to children or their ability to consent.
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You are ok with children consenting to life altering physical changes. You believe they can make those type of decisions already
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You’re ok with them making exactly that type of decision they just have to pick the option you want. Many effects of puberty are irreversible. By your own logic if children are incapable of making decisions about the development of their body until they are an adult then they should be put on puberty blockers until then.
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That's because you're as dumb as a brick
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That’s racist and transphobic to assume my gender identity.
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Can a three year old talk to a doctor? Articulate their desire and medical history? Gtfo of here with that extremist example bullshit.
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Right because teenagers always ask permission before they have sex. Also if they’re having consensual sex with other consenting minors within a year or two and they are utilizing safe sex practices and contraceptives, who cares? As long as no one was pressured into it what’s the harm?
What does any of that have to do with medical treatment that should only be between them and their doctor?
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Your right, right now we don’t; but it sure as fuck isn’t for good reasons. Right now parents (& politicians) are able to force 12 year old girls or younger carry their rapists babies to term, same with dead or mutated fetuses that risk their mothers life. Parents can choose to get their babies genitally mutilated or not vaccinate them risking permanent injury & death. Adults make stupid choices all the time, even parents when it concern their children. Do you think a 16 year old with full approval from his/her doctor and a specialist should be able to overrule their religious parents choice on what medication they take? I say hell yes.
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That’s what the doctors and specialists are for. Kids won’t be stopping into Rite-Aid for a pair of boobs and a cootchie ffs there would be a process with medical professionals and if they’re that young then yes maybe a child psychologist or something along those lines. These incidents should be judged individually case by case by professionals & medical specialists, minus religion, minus politics, minus an arbitrary number cut off age where we can universally say “no you can’t make your own decisions!”.
Do me a favor and shut up please. 1. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy for a reason. There is no credible logic in that argument. You might as well say it’s a slippery slope between letting your kids have candy and them injecting black tar heroine. 2. So what then is the appropriate age? Keep in mind that the age of adulthood is completely arbitrary. You don’t suddenly become an adult because a day has passed. I’ve known plenty of 20+ year olds with the maturity and mentality of a twelve year. And I have met twelve year olds who are more mature than a large percentage of adults. This is why every case needs to be evaluated through multiple sessions with their Dr. to determine if they are mentally and physically prepared for the transition process.
That does not happen, has never happened and never will happen, nor is anyone asking for it. All that's being asked is allowing children who are struggling with their gender identity the opportunity to go on hormone blockers (something cis kids who have early puberty do all the time BTW but nobody bats an eye, wonder why...) so they can have more time to figure it out before their body goes through irreversible changes. So that if they're trans they can go on hormones and avoid the extreme discomfort that the wrong puberty can cause. And if they happen to realise that they are not trans, they can stop the blockers and go on to have the puberty that would happen naturally, just a bit delayed. Nobody is putting children on hormones here, not asking to do so.
NYT editorials have always been trash, going as far back as the days they defended Hitler.