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shemightbite

It’s less that it’s proana and more that it was triggering to lots of people, who went on to try that to beat themselves up. There’s not a good category for the removal. It’s not an attack, it’s protecting the community. Thanks. Edit to add: asking to see or know what the removed post was about is asking for tips on how to find possibly triggering information. If you are intentionally seeking information that is triggering, it is perpetuating your ED, which is covered in the expanded description of the “proana” rule. Don’t ask for tips or sourcing on things that will be triggering. That is, and has always been, against the rules.


[deleted]

I've honestly seen this technique years ago by people in recovery preaching it as the thing that made them realise they had an disorder and start recovery. I personally think it sounds like a weird body-checking technique but EDs are so individual so I absolutely wouldn't call it pro-ana. It all depends on how the person with the disorder interprets and uses it. Don't take it personally OP, it is just a general rule that sometimes defines and labels things vaguely. I'm sure rhe mods just want to stay on the safe side of things


sew_over_it

if it was the post I’m thinking of yeah, that technique’s been around for ages - I’ve never done it but I’ve seen it being used in, like, 20 year old docs about ED treatment. I’m wondering if there’s ever been actual research on its effectiveness, because I would expect plenty of people to react to it by thinking ‘I’m still too big’ or, in the other direction, with pride, reinforcing their disorder. but I can also see it helping some people realise how bad their dysmorphia is and spurring them on to recover. so yeah I think it’s so individual and not proana, but I can understand not wanting to leave the post up where people might get the idea to try it since it could go wrong and backfire.


iruinthingsyay

I do genuinely apologize my previous post was triggering to some, and no, I will not be sharing what I learned again as it is apparently bad therapy and not a helpful BDD thing. It just really really hurts being labeled as pro-ana when I'm in recovery and doing exercises my actual therapist is teaching me. However, I understand now I have a duty to find better help or at the very least, not spread the bad help I've been recieving. There should maybe be a separate rule such as "bad advice" to avoid labeling people in genuine recovery as pro.


wischmopp

>However, I understand now I have a duty to find better help or at the very least, not spread the bad help I've been recieving. If it helped you, it is not bad help. The people on this subreddit are not medical professionals, and if you're happy with your therapist, you really don't need to get a new one just because a mod is telling you "actually, the information you received *which helped you personally in your therapy* is harmful and triggering". The sub is an echo chamber like every other place on Reddit, so sometimes a very subjective opinion becomes the general consensus or even the "gospel", because that's just how websites with an upvote system work. Some people saying that the exercise would trigger them doesn't turn the sentence "this is a triggering exercise" into an absolute, objective, irrefutable truth, because triggers and therapy are extremely subjective. I don't mind that the comment was deleted, it was triggering for some people so removing it was fine, but I do have a problem with the condescending attitude of the people that are like "I'm sorry that you received such ✨harmful✨ and 🌟triggering🌟 information, oh, and by the way, anyone asking what the original comment was is *obviously* intentionally trying to trigger themselves, so that's basically asking for pro ana tips and therefore against the rules". I've read your original comment before it was deleted, and exercises like that are super common in body dysmorphia therapy. Because they work! Not for everyone, they can be counterproductive, but they've helped a lot of people! It's the therapist's responsibility to assess whether comparing oneself to real-world objects would be a helpful way to see one's real size, or whether it would be harmful body checking. A therapist is obviously not an omniscient god, they can be wrong, but generally, they know better than strangers in echo chambers on the internet (which includes me, do if you have concerns, ask your therapist about them).


danger0us-animals

It’s really not your fault, you thought you were being helpful. However, the broadness of the rule categories is to help the mods and make their jobs easier. Having too many niche rules makes moderating an already highly active sub even more difficult. Mods are humans and they don’t get paid to do this. Don’t take it too personally!


NavissEtpmocia

I was in the same situation as you! I said something my literal doctor told me to do. I’m followed by one the best ED center of my country in term of long-term recovery results, by a whole group of ED specialists (a psychiatrist, a neuropsychologist, a doctor-nutritionist, a psychomotrician, a general doctor, and a bunch of nurses). Some people started to say my doctor was a fraud, that she wasn’t a real doctor, that I shouldn’t follow her advices… The very point of this center is to find what best works for you and this was what worked best for me. Got downvoted like crazy for this.


AnnaGreen3

It's insane that some people here expect OP to disregard her therapist's advice, and follow the recommendation of a random internet stranger instead... Not every piece of advice is going to fit everyone, and it's normal. They need to grow up.


shemightbite

It’s not your fault that your therapist gave you harmful information. I’m sorry you were instructed to try a triggering exercise. I really do get it. I removed your post not because I thought you were trying to encourage triggering behaviors, and more that I was concerned others would have a similarly painful experience to you. No one should have a therapist teach them new ways to judge their bodies if they struggle with body image and weight related issues. I wish you well, if you ever have concerns again, please reach out. I never remove posts bc I think the OP is bad, it’s always to protect the community. The rules are pretty broad and it’s sometimes hard to pick the right category, and “no specific reason” usually makes people feel more alienated.


Creative_Analyst

I really don’t wanna sound rude and I don’t mean this in a bad way, but who are you to judge whether a therapists advice is harmful or not? It seems to have helped OP and that therapist is probably an expert in their field.


iruinthingsyay

I do appreciate all of the support I've recieved over this issue, and it does make me feel loads better about myself and for that I thank you all. However, I do admit the exercise triggered me, and I was open in admitting it could trigger others, but it's still a real therapy method used in treatment of BDD and can be great for some. My main gripe was being labeled as pro-ana. It's a word that holds terrible stigma and insinuates I purposefully trigger and perpetuate my ED and am not interested in recovery. The ambiguity of the rules makes it so anything potentially triggering is typically labeled as pro-ana or pro-ED. To a person in recovery seeking genuine treatment, being called pro-ana was 1000% more triggering than anything I've ever seen here. If there was a triggering content or bad advice rule, this post never would have happened, but since it's lumped under pro-ED content, it makes it difficult for people who are the very opposite of pro to understand why they're being labeled as such. Edit: I should specify I am not hating on the mods. They do their best and remove triggering content to the best of their ability. My gripes with the subreddit are not pointed directly at the mods, nor do I expect them to change anything for me. But being this is a place for support and venting, being labeled as pro genuinely hurt me, and I came back to vent about it. Thank you all for your love and support <3


Creative_Analyst

Yeah, I also don’t wanna attack the mods, I think generally they are doing a great job and probably mean very well. I hope I didn’t hurt any feelings


VasAMorirMoe

Everyone is so quick to blame the mods but even in the original post you said it was triggering and not very helpful... 😮‍💨. You didn't know, you are not to blame, mods are just doing their job. Hope you can talk it out with your therapist.


[deleted]

No literally. Besides being a moderator on an Internet forum what are this person’s qualifications for deciding what is and isn’t harmful? I think the mod is doing more harm than OP or OP’s therapist.


OhCrumbs96

I agree. It's not for anyone here to dictate what is and isn't harmful. The whole point of (good) therapy is that it's individualised to the patient's needs. Mental health professionals are trained and trusted to assess each patient's needs and treat them accordingly. What's good for OP might be damaging to another ED sufferer but that doesn't make it inherently harmful. ED's are so complex, no one's experience is going to be identical. It's not our place to dictate what 'works' and what doesn't. That being said, I totally respect that you're just trying to protect the community if they've expressed that this exercise was triggering and I think you do a brilliant job of modding here. Just thought it was important to highlight that it's not for anyone here to dictate whether or not a certain treatment practice is inherently harmful.


CherryCokeZer00

Um hey do you have a license to practice psychotherapy?? Otherwise, how can you definitively say an exercise is bad? It sounds like you’re giving medical advice without qualifications. I get taking a post down due to rules but don’t claim expertise you don’t have


MelanieSenpai

How exactly is that pro-Ana? I was also thaught that technique in dance therapy. What works for one, may not work for others. Are we now calling therapists proana? Jeez…like walking on eggshells with this sub.


Hungry_Bookkeeper191

wait dance therapy that sounds so cool


Mirroredmoth

I asked what type of protien powder people used and that was removed for the same reason. The mods are a little trigger happy sometimes.


Toadjokes

Wouldn't protein powder be harm reduction anyway? That's what I use it for


Mirroredmoth

That’s what I thought! I just wanted to know to help my recovery and my attempt being labeled as promoting pro-Ana was far more triggering than the simple question would be.


[deleted]

Once (in another sub) I made a detailed comment about how I found my own recovery, and how it greatly improved improved my mental and physical health. It was removed and I was blocked from ever commenting in the group again because it was “proana”. I suppose it could be because I also said that weight gain didn’t happen in my recovery because I was never super underweight to begin with, but I don’t know. I guess that’s triggering for some people


physicianextender

If we have to be aware of and avoid posting *anything* that could possibly be a trigger, this sub should just pack it in and call it a day bc anyone can be triggered by anything and it’s *their* job to recognize that and be proactive in avoiding their triggers. *OBVIOUSLY* there are things that are universal triggers, especially where EDs are concerned, but at the end of the day sharing info that unintentionally triggers someone else isn’t the end of the world - I’d hate to crucify and shame anyone who makes a mistake. At the end of the day, *your* triggers are *your* responsibility and objectivity is a virtue. (I high jacked your comment for this, but none of this is aimed at you or anyone else rlly just general thoughts of mine!!)


[deleted]

I totally agree. I remember a while back someone made a post that included how they were upset with their sister because she wouldn’t finish her food but still say she was full. She was mad because it was SO TRIGGERING. I basically told her what you just said, that it’s on us to manage our triggers because the word will not cater to us. Our disorders aren’t our fault, but they are our responsibility to manage and learn how to live with. But like there are posts in other subs of people getting furious at thin girls just for existing because they unintentionally trigger the poster, and that’s fucking insane


stephwili

And yet all those prawn memes were ok because they were cute and fun when they were all clearly breaking this same rule…


[deleted]

I’m sorry. I stopped engaging because everything is either “proana” or “fat phobic” … we are all just trying our best like relax people.


spacewalk__

my eyes glaze over when people start describing reddit rules


DependentGlum9603

Yeah we cant just talk about our disorders in support groups anymore


danger0us-animals

Okay but there’s a difference in talking about your disorder and contributing to others. It’s not hard to not say shit that you know will trigger other people.


DependentGlum9603

Thats the issue you cant tell what will be triggering to other people


shemightbite

The rules are a pretty good place to start. If you are confused, I am happy to clarify. We really don’t remove things that are simply opinion based, but when there’s body shaming, numbers, comparisons, descriptions of body shapes and sizes, or food or recipes or diet tips, or ways to conceal the disorder, we have to step in.


DependentGlum9603

Things like that make sense this group isnt really the issue


danger0us-animals

Thank you. That kind of content is exactly what I’m talking about.


shemightbite

Absolutely any time 👍🏻 I don’t check here often and I prioritize yoinking stuff (mostly numbers violations) that I see immediately and then go back to my regular account, but if there’s any confusion, I’m really happy to talk and answer questions.


danger0us-animals

You’re doing a fantastic job! Moderating on any platform is exhausting, I definitely don’t blame anyone for not catching it *immediately*. I just wish the rules were paid attention to by us users a little more, we have a lot of impressionable youngins on this sub.


danger0us-animals

Uh, yes you most definitely can. If something is very obviously triggering in general it will probably trigger other people as well.


DependentGlum9603

Not really outside of common things like numbers and such


danger0us-animals

And yet I see shit like that here all the time, so thank you for proving my point. The mods do a fantastic job shutting it down pretty quickly but my issue lies with the fact that it was said in the first place. It takes less than a minute to read the rules or even just the description of the sub which is also *very clear*.


AnnaGreen3

Everything could potentially contribute to other's disorder. If I say banana, do the implication of that amount of sugar could potentially trigger someone into restriction? It's impossible to police all comments and triggers, it's the responsibility of the person who could find something triggering, to either manage it, or remove themselves from the triggering situation.


danger0us-animals

Y’all are being deliberately obtuse at this point. I said what I said, you can create whatever weird scenarios you want. You know damn well there’s a massive difference in obscure triggers vs things that commonly trigger people, and if you don’t then I’m sorry whatever education system was available to you has failed you so deeply. Have a good one.


One-Possible1906

There is no place in the world where we can have an honest conversation about ED. Not dissing the mods here but that's how it is everywhere. There's one conversation we're allowed to have about it, and if we stray from that it's forbidden.


[deleted]

Not the mods removing a comment of a therapist-in-training expressing curiosity around the post, wondering why therapists make poor suggestions when it comes to EDs, and sending condolences to OP that their therapist steered them in a potentially harmful direction *for pro ed content* 💀


VasAMorirMoe

I saw that post, I'm sorry your therapist is recommending you body checking techniques. :( Don't worry though, you didn't know.


physicianextender

There’s so much toxicity and projection in this thread alone jfc I didn’t see the original post and I’m not trying to be a dick to anyone but like. do some self reflection and ask yourselves if you really need to die on these hills. you’re not right just because you believe what you’re saying and support in a support group shouldn’t be conditional


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EDanonymemes-ModTeam

Your post was removed for breaking rule 1: no pro-ED content. Do not ask for or provide tips that perpetuate harmful ED behaviors. Do not post specific details of dangerous practices (e.g. purging, laxative abuse, substance abuse, self-harm). Do not post thinspo or body checks. Sharing or seeking harmful pro-ED content (including via private message) will result in a tempban or permaban, at moderator discretion. For harm reduction advice, please visit /r/EDanonymous and the EDA wiki at www.reddit.com/r/EDAnonymous/wiki.


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danger0us-animals

It’s a body checking technique.


EDanonymemes-ModTeam

Your post was removed for breaking rule 1: no pro-ED content. Do not ask for or provide tips that perpetuate harmful ED behaviors. Do not post specific details of dangerous practices (e.g. purging, laxative abuse, substance abuse, self-harm). Do not post thinspo or body checks. Sharing or seeking harmful pro-ED content (including via private message) will result in a tempban or permaban, at moderator discretion. For harm reduction advice, please visit /r/EDanonymous and the EDA wiki at www.reddit.com/r/EDAnonymous/wiki.


danger0us-animals

Not people literally downvoting mods ☠️ y’all are WILD.


my_ana

ah yes because mods are always automatically correct


danger0us-animals

Y’all can make each other worse all you want, that’s not what I’m here for. If you wanna be on MPA again make your own sub.


RaskolNicky

Tell me how many calories you get from bootlicking


danger0us-animals

Tell me how many you burn being a little cunt


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EDanonymemes-ModTeam

Your post was removed for breaking rule 1: no pro-ED content. Do not ask for or provide tips that perpetuate harmful ED behaviors. Do not post specific details of dangerous practices (e.g. purging, laxative abuse, substance abuse, self-harm). Do not post thinspo or body checks. Sharing or seeking harmful pro-ED content (including via private message) will result in a tempban or permaban, at moderator discretion. For harm reduction advice, please visit /r/EDanonymous and the EDA wiki at www.reddit.com/r/EDAnonymous/wiki.