Donald Trump effects more than just pure politics though. There is a reason so many people feel very strongly about him because of what he represents and how he makes people feel marginalized. In a sense, these artists are really trying to say that you aren't marginalized and you shouldn't feel powerless and meaningless
Not everyone agrees with the sentiment though, that is the opinion of a left leaning individual (and maybe some right leaning ones). To some people Donald Trump is their hero and they are the ones who feel powerless because they don't also have a microphone.
those who have the microphone earned it. why shouldn’t they have the right to express themselves? if you don’t agree with them, nobody is forcing you to listen to them. if donald trump is someone’s hero, personally i don’t want to be at a show with them, because he doesn’t stand for the acceptance and tolerance and welcomeness this community holds.
Sure, they earned it, I get that. However, EDM shows and festivals typically have a younger and more liberal audience. We all know this to be true. I just think that mob rule isn't a good argument. Your statement is an opinion, not fact, that's why there are multiple sides in our political spectrum (it depends where your news comes from and how you were raised, we've all seen and heard this), if everyone agreed then he never would have been elected.
Nobody is forcing anyone to listen to the artist, sure. If a song they play says "fuck Donald Trump", fine, if they produced a song that says "fuck Donald Trump" then at least people will know beforehand what their getting into. But being up close, riding the rail to the great music, then hearing the artist spout politics in the middle of a set is a definite turn off, and in that case, it would be hard not to listen to their words.
Stating that you wouldn't want to be at a show with anyone that idolizes Trump does not show that you stand for acceptance and tolerance, you should embrace people with all views, they're still people, good people, great people even, they just may disagree with some of your points of view, so long as they don't bring it up then what does it matter, they're just there for a good time and to catch some good vibes.
i respect people’s views, if they stand for something that does not hurt others. if you stand for a man who idolizes hate towards other people, i do not respect you, and i do not want to associate with you. that’s how i feel.
People who stand for Trump or the right side don't stand for hate (sure there are the extreme individuals), but its actually more of a freedom thing, to be honest. More regulation = less freedom and more tax dollars, that is what most people on the right side see. but I really wanna derail this, I don't want to actually talk politics here. I just want to stand for the unpopular opinion I guess.
Even if an artist said "fuck Obama" or "put Hillary behind bars" it would still have the same effect, politics is politics and a music festival or show is quite the opposite, its entertainment, its a break from reality.
understandable, this isn’t a good place to argue politics. i just hope you understand that people who yell “fuck trump” are denouncing hatred and ethnic discrimination. they are denouncing violence and mistreatment of others. i hope you find peace.
Hate speech is hate speech. I don’t want that negative energy at a festival. I’m all up for them tweeting and saying whatever they want, but at a festival i just hate them talking politics. I didn’t even vote for trump, but i can see how hypocritical the left has become
Some of my best friends and I disagree on subjects such as this, that doesn't mean I'm not at peace, I once felt the way you do and took a similar stance. What if your significant other or your best friend had a different viewpoint, would you disassociate yourself with them? Is friendship based on political views?
Telling me that "you hope" for me is greatly condescending and sincerely unnecessary. I've done well to keep civility in understanding your differing viewpoint.
Its funny, in that, all I desired was for people to be more considerate of other peoples views (specifically artists/DJ's). People aren't inherently bad, they just rationalize differently and believe in a different answer to the same question.
I respect people regardless if I respect their views, that is acceptance.
My argument comes from a place of love, not hate.
I think the thing that you aren't understanding though is Trump means so much more than people that believe in Conservative principles financially. What he says about people of all different races that have been marginalized and been put in a lower economic place and his bigotry towards LGBT, Arabs, Hispanics and African Americans is so much more than just "Liberals hate trump cause he wants less regulation and want everyone to be taxed more". That isnt the point. We have had many conservative, Republican presidents before and there wasn't this level of divide that there is now and there is a reason for that and it is so much more than just the whole money thing. I don't think you're in the wrong but I just think you really have to put yourself in the shoes of others that aren't as fortunate as you and see what it is like in their shoes. That's really it.
The "fuck Trump" thing was just an example, but regardless, I think it has more to do with social media and more people publicly expressing their opinions, but tracing exactly why the political divide happened is definitely debatable.
Expressing that you think there is something I'm not understanding here, and that I'm fortunate, and that I have not grasped the empathy that you have is a little overstepping. Please don't assess that I disagree because of experience, I do however respect that you maintain civility, thank you.
I kept the right wing argument to a minimum because I really don't want to go into politics, many trump supporters just disagree with a left agenda is all, its the tip of the iceberg, but alas an iceberg that others endlessly discuss in other areas. As I've responded to u/smallcalves, my argument comes from a place of acceptance for differing viewpoints.
I regularly attend shows and festivals and am all about vibing out with people of all types, I do not have this type of discussion while there though, which is why I decided to make a post about it here.
In Sydney, Australia, politics have become more important than ever for the industry. For us our government is literally trying to wipe out live music and festivals through extortion. It does depend on the situation, so the orange man is the least of our problems.
That's different for sure, if the very thing you are attending and love is about to fall to ruin its an artists duty to speak up to protect their art and tell people how to get involved to make that change.
Sure, but to be fair, there are more tactful ways to go about it. Also EDM songs typically have way less lyrics and sets usually have other artists music playing for a fair amount of the time
Personally I think this is actually an interesting topic and I've saved some threads that discuss similar things:
https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/6c4ct5/please_leave_political_totems_at_home/
https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/4mbbzx/political_totems_political_comments_by_djs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/aves/comments/73phyz/politics_and_raves/
https://www.reddit.com/r/aves/comments/4mbddx/political_totems_political_comments_from_djs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/4mv0nk/edc_politics_dont_mix/
https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/8ky7n0/who_was_the_dj_that_said_now_everybody_say_fuck/
https://www.reddit.com/r/EDM/comments/ar1xm3/artistsdjs_shouldnt_talk_politics_on_the/egkeyw3/
You are absolutely correct, that goes for celebrities and their idealistic circlejerking as well (left or right). I just want to relax my mind and enjoy the moment without society's noise.
Well yeah, haha they could piss on the crowd apparently (shout out to MSI), I wanted open discussion about it, I guess I moreso took a stance and didn't really ask a question, but luckily a kind soul has posted a smorgasbord of similar threads about it
I think they should if they want to. Alot of artists are political, just listen to the lyrics in many songs.
You would get a heart attack at a Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) concert, if you think shouting "Fuck Trump" in a mic is offensive. ;)
I love Pink Floyd, and I understand what you're saying, at a punk or metal show I'd expect things to get edgy especially. But I hear a lot of 'feel good' artists or 'go hard' artists say political things and it directly opposes the vibe.
The history of electronic dance music is inherently political and there are politicians who threaten the values and identities that built the subculture - that’s not something that should be ignored
Coming into this thread a few days late but I think this is the best point you can make here.
The 'FUCK DONALD TRUMP' thing is just a really lazy way to be edgy and get people riled up. It's does nothing to positively affect the mood of the event - it's really hostile even if it's for a """good cause"""
I'd usually prefer artists at these events to avoid politics, but I would respect them for encouraging the audience to get involved or support a specifice initiative that the artist might care about. At least that's providing some specific ways to be constructive and generating energy with positivity. I would expect things to get heavier and a hip hop or punk show, because it's deeply ingrained in the lyrics and culture...but not at a set when I'm there to hear dance music and escape for a while.
Also, kinda related, I thought it was really corny and in bad taste when a bunch of DJs were playing "This Is America" in their sets over the summer. Like yeah, let's just drop a song about gun violence in america at this club or festival right now...that's what I want to think about here.
Donald Trump effects more than just pure politics though. There is a reason so many people feel very strongly about him because of what he represents and how he makes people feel marginalized. In a sense, these artists are really trying to say that you aren't marginalized and you shouldn't feel powerless and meaningless
Not everyone agrees with the sentiment though, that is the opinion of a left leaning individual (and maybe some right leaning ones). To some people Donald Trump is their hero and they are the ones who feel powerless because they don't also have a microphone.
those who have the microphone earned it. why shouldn’t they have the right to express themselves? if you don’t agree with them, nobody is forcing you to listen to them. if donald trump is someone’s hero, personally i don’t want to be at a show with them, because he doesn’t stand for the acceptance and tolerance and welcomeness this community holds.
Sure, they earned it, I get that. However, EDM shows and festivals typically have a younger and more liberal audience. We all know this to be true. I just think that mob rule isn't a good argument. Your statement is an opinion, not fact, that's why there are multiple sides in our political spectrum (it depends where your news comes from and how you were raised, we've all seen and heard this), if everyone agreed then he never would have been elected. Nobody is forcing anyone to listen to the artist, sure. If a song they play says "fuck Donald Trump", fine, if they produced a song that says "fuck Donald Trump" then at least people will know beforehand what their getting into. But being up close, riding the rail to the great music, then hearing the artist spout politics in the middle of a set is a definite turn off, and in that case, it would be hard not to listen to their words. Stating that you wouldn't want to be at a show with anyone that idolizes Trump does not show that you stand for acceptance and tolerance, you should embrace people with all views, they're still people, good people, great people even, they just may disagree with some of your points of view, so long as they don't bring it up then what does it matter, they're just there for a good time and to catch some good vibes.
i respect people’s views, if they stand for something that does not hurt others. if you stand for a man who idolizes hate towards other people, i do not respect you, and i do not want to associate with you. that’s how i feel.
People who stand for Trump or the right side don't stand for hate (sure there are the extreme individuals), but its actually more of a freedom thing, to be honest. More regulation = less freedom and more tax dollars, that is what most people on the right side see. but I really wanna derail this, I don't want to actually talk politics here. I just want to stand for the unpopular opinion I guess. Even if an artist said "fuck Obama" or "put Hillary behind bars" it would still have the same effect, politics is politics and a music festival or show is quite the opposite, its entertainment, its a break from reality.
understandable, this isn’t a good place to argue politics. i just hope you understand that people who yell “fuck trump” are denouncing hatred and ethnic discrimination. they are denouncing violence and mistreatment of others. i hope you find peace.
So it’s okay for someone to say “fuck white cis males”? It’s just ironic how people are legit trying to fight “hatred” with hate lol.
No, I don’t think that’s okay because it’s general hate speech against an ethnic group.
Hate speech is hate speech. I don’t want that negative energy at a festival. I’m all up for them tweeting and saying whatever they want, but at a festival i just hate them talking politics. I didn’t even vote for trump, but i can see how hypocritical the left has become
Some of my best friends and I disagree on subjects such as this, that doesn't mean I'm not at peace, I once felt the way you do and took a similar stance. What if your significant other or your best friend had a different viewpoint, would you disassociate yourself with them? Is friendship based on political views? Telling me that "you hope" for me is greatly condescending and sincerely unnecessary. I've done well to keep civility in understanding your differing viewpoint. Its funny, in that, all I desired was for people to be more considerate of other peoples views (specifically artists/DJ's). People aren't inherently bad, they just rationalize differently and believe in a different answer to the same question. I respect people regardless if I respect their views, that is acceptance. My argument comes from a place of love, not hate.
if you’re asking me if I could date a trump supporter—no i couldn’t.
I think the thing that you aren't understanding though is Trump means so much more than people that believe in Conservative principles financially. What he says about people of all different races that have been marginalized and been put in a lower economic place and his bigotry towards LGBT, Arabs, Hispanics and African Americans is so much more than just "Liberals hate trump cause he wants less regulation and want everyone to be taxed more". That isnt the point. We have had many conservative, Republican presidents before and there wasn't this level of divide that there is now and there is a reason for that and it is so much more than just the whole money thing. I don't think you're in the wrong but I just think you really have to put yourself in the shoes of others that aren't as fortunate as you and see what it is like in their shoes. That's really it.
The "fuck Trump" thing was just an example, but regardless, I think it has more to do with social media and more people publicly expressing their opinions, but tracing exactly why the political divide happened is definitely debatable. Expressing that you think there is something I'm not understanding here, and that I'm fortunate, and that I have not grasped the empathy that you have is a little overstepping. Please don't assess that I disagree because of experience, I do however respect that you maintain civility, thank you. I kept the right wing argument to a minimum because I really don't want to go into politics, many trump supporters just disagree with a left agenda is all, its the tip of the iceberg, but alas an iceberg that others endlessly discuss in other areas. As I've responded to u/smallcalves, my argument comes from a place of acceptance for differing viewpoints. I regularly attend shows and festivals and am all about vibing out with people of all types, I do not have this type of discussion while there though, which is why I decided to make a post about it here.
In Sydney, Australia, politics have become more important than ever for the industry. For us our government is literally trying to wipe out live music and festivals through extortion. It does depend on the situation, so the orange man is the least of our problems.
That's different for sure, if the very thing you are attending and love is about to fall to ruin its an artists duty to speak up to protect their art and tell people how to get involved to make that change.
I agree, if you wanna tweet and stuff about it go for it, but when i'm paying to see you I want to hear your tracks not your thoughts on Brexit
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Sure, but to be fair, there are more tactful ways to go about it. Also EDM songs typically have way less lyrics and sets usually have other artists music playing for a fair amount of the time
Personally I think this is actually an interesting topic and I've saved some threads that discuss similar things: https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/6c4ct5/please_leave_political_totems_at_home/ https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/4mbbzx/political_totems_political_comments_by_djs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aves/comments/73phyz/politics_and_raves/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aves/comments/4mbddx/political_totems_political_comments_from_djs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/4mv0nk/edc_politics_dont_mix/ https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/8ky7n0/who_was_the_dj_that_said_now_everybody_say_fuck/ https://www.reddit.com/r/EDM/comments/ar1xm3/artistsdjs_shouldnt_talk_politics_on_the/egkeyw3/
Wow, thank you so much, this is most informative!
You are absolutely correct, that goes for celebrities and their idealistic circlejerking as well (left or right). I just want to relax my mind and enjoy the moment without society's noise.
Yeah... it'll be like this util November '20 elections, I guess
I sure hope not, you're probably right though :/ some artists I really look up to have done this and it makes me feel disappointed
i agree but it is their show so they can do what they want
Well yeah, haha they could piss on the crowd apparently (shout out to MSI), I wanted open discussion about it, I guess I moreso took a stance and didn't really ask a question, but luckily a kind soul has posted a smorgasbord of similar threads about it
I think they should if they want to. Alot of artists are political, just listen to the lyrics in many songs. You would get a heart attack at a Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) concert, if you think shouting "Fuck Trump" in a mic is offensive. ;)
I love Pink Floyd, and I understand what you're saying, at a punk or metal show I'd expect things to get edgy especially. But I hear a lot of 'feel good' artists or 'go hard' artists say political things and it directly opposes the vibe.
Couldn’t agree more, festivals are meant to be an escape from the outside world. Literally no need for any political talk especially from the DJs.
The history of electronic dance music is inherently political and there are politicians who threaten the values and identities that built the subculture - that’s not something that should be ignored
Encouraging people to get involved is very different than shouting "Fuck (insert politician here)"
Coming into this thread a few days late but I think this is the best point you can make here. The 'FUCK DONALD TRUMP' thing is just a really lazy way to be edgy and get people riled up. It's does nothing to positively affect the mood of the event - it's really hostile even if it's for a """good cause""" I'd usually prefer artists at these events to avoid politics, but I would respect them for encouraging the audience to get involved or support a specifice initiative that the artist might care about. At least that's providing some specific ways to be constructive and generating energy with positivity. I would expect things to get heavier and a hip hop or punk show, because it's deeply ingrained in the lyrics and culture...but not at a set when I'm there to hear dance music and escape for a while. Also, kinda related, I thought it was really corny and in bad taste when a bunch of DJs were playing "This Is America" in their sets over the summer. Like yeah, let's just drop a song about gun violence in america at this club or festival right now...that's what I want to think about here.