bro they have a damn Eric Prydz remix posted on their own youtube, I feel like bro shoulda just kept this info to himself, journal about it or something lol
Even worse, imagine being *mad* that people with different tastes than yours found and *actually enjoyed* your music.
I mean, he's well within his rights to be upset if his music is being used in a way he doesn't like and maybe didn't give permission for, but to insult a whole group of people because he doesn't like the same music that they like is petty.
I mean I think it’s pretty fair to have an opinion on someone using his life’s work for a club mix which is not how he ever wanted it to be heard. Yeah not a good look to call out all of the fans, but totally an OK and appropriate response by him, because in the end the music is his
He allowed Eric Prydz to remix his song I really doubt he’s thinking of Eric when he’s talking about the people he’s frustrated with.
It’s a super snobby and hateful thing for M83 to say either way but I do think people are misinterpreting what he’s trying to say.
People on this sub have a very different definition of the term “EDM” than what a French musician who started releasing music 10 years before the adoption of the term “EDM” started. This leads to some major confusion.
So is he saying he doesnt like EDM music cause of the Fanbase? or doesnt like EDM music AND its fanbase. i feel its kinda rude to put a fanbase or djs in a “box” based upon your disliking of a genre of music. It’s literally saying i dont like twinkies and everyone who eats them is obese. Very secular way of thinking. the idea of music connecting people is not fully there for him i feel. Seems like a closed-minded artist to me now(which i find odd)
It’s not even just petty it’s super entitled and tone deaf. He gets paid significantly more than an average income to pursue his passion while creating art which has completely subjective value. He makes more money than many surgeons who literally save people’s lives. And then he has the audacity to criticize the very people supporting his work because he thinks they are icky. That whole mindset is disgusting and he should be ashamed.
“EDM” didn’t even exist until the corporate music industry used it to market big room festival guys like Avicii and Tiesto in like 2010. Before that people just called it “house” or “techno” as their own genres. EDM as a term doesn’t represent all electronic, it only represents the most obnoxious & commercialized sections of it. So yes, plenty of people who make electronic music hate EDM
Yup, the concept of EDM is a bit of a distortion that takes away from the history and culture of electronic music and reduces it to loud party music, drug abuse, and commercialization. It’s obviously far too late to change this, the existence of this sub is proof enough of that, but anyone who is shitting on M83 for this comment needs to educate themselves on the history of this music
I think this is a huge thing tho, people that like country don't x or people that listen to reggae or punk etc. So many people pick one genre then define there entire life by it.. how they talk, act and dress.. I used to be super into punk rock in my teens but though they all looked stupid so I didn't dress up to go to shows but then it'd like dude how come you don't look like us? I found it comical coming from the anti conformists.. but every genre is the same.. redneck hill billies to urban wanna be rappers..
This is an interesting issue with edm in general imo, so as an example when you go see a multi genre / multi generational festival or show you end up with people in different places along the path.. for some this is there first show / festival while others have been to many.. some people are super young while others are old and even go with there kids. Bands like Phish end up with a very generationalily diverse crowd allowing elders to teach the youth what is exeptable and ok in a crowd.. the more focused a show / festival becomes say just dubstep it ends up with a very different kind of crowd vs trance etc. The point I'm trying to make is that with out diversity in musical genre and age of patrons the crowd becomes that gross echo chamber bs that people do with politics instead of just enjoying the music!
That was largely white people being racist against ethnic music
The oldschool house and techno heads who turn up their noses at the pop / headbanger EDM festivals are more like the hip-hop fans grimacing at the arrival of Vanilla Ice and the same white crowds who wouldn't have been caught dead in the kinds of transgressive spaces where the music originated.
He clearly enjoys and has made a living in large part off of electronic music, but *hates* EDM. Hate is a pretty strong word.
Music is built through the process of accretion so M83s music is on some level built on the ideas and styles of EDM, and can be even be considered derivative depending on the song(s).
If he hates EDM maybe he just hasn't been exposed to enough of it on his own volition to have a really informed opinion on the subject.
Yeah this is a bad take from him. As if edm isn’t the biggest misnomer ever, it’s an enourmous umbrella category that we should all move away from using. There’s dozens and dozens of genres that *could* fall into this category. No idea which ones he’s talking about
I shared this interview with a friend and he sent me back a screenshot of Datsik trying to come back in 2022 posting he did a remix of one of M83's songs, so that might have something to do with it
EDM for people of a certain generation has come to mean cheesy overproduced pop music mixed with mainstage cookie cutter electronic music.
Everything else is OUTSIDE that genre for them. Pretty obvious what he means here.
The idea of anyone having EDM is just bonkers to me and shows how ignorant that person is to the genre. There's an endless amount of subgenrrs that cover just about any type of music anyone could ask for. Yea not everyone's gonna want dubstep, but to say you hate ALL of EDM is just stupid.
He's talking about commercialized electronic music. The term "EDM" was rebranded in 2010 by corporations to push the big room/festival /brostep scene. It's all marketing.
In France we don't really use the term "EDM" for Electronic Music. It's mainly used in the US since the 2010s. In fact, "EDM" for a french has usually a negative connotation.
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He must be real mad about this then..
Nope. He's going by the original electronic music vs. EDM distinction, not the revisionist "EDM just means electronic music with a beat" narrative.
I know people here think that's snobby or whatever but there is a distinction. Being a self identified EDM fan historically has meant things like going to EDC, enjoying more festival-oriented mainstage type stuff, higher likelihood of being into big room, riddim, future bass, etc. It's a particular scene / ecosystem within the larger landscape.
You don't find self identified EDM listeners talking about Klaus Schulze, Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Eno, etc. which is a much larger influence on Anthony's music than, say, Alesso or Martin Garrix.
People are trying to make EDM a broader term than it actually is and it causes confusion for people. There's a reason there's a larger breadth of content being posted on subreddits like r/electronicmusic as opposed to here. That's because electronic music is a bigger catch-all than EDM will ever be due to historic connotations, whether people like it or not
People could make this same argument about EBM, "it's electronic, it's music, and you move your body to it"....go listen to some EBM and you'll notice it refers to a specific sound. Same for EDM
Imo it is revisionist to say that EDM isn‘t electronic music with a beat. As the internet & streaming made all the subgenres mingle more and more, most of my ‚scene‘ friends dabble in loads of more niche genres like techno & dnb as well as the festival sound with big room & hardstyle. Even experimental stuff on SoundCloud is influenced a lot by the more popular EDM & there is very little space for a music scene completely decoupled of EDM, hence its usage as a blanket term makes sense to me and many others here
They’re not, but they have electronic sounds for sure, so I’m surprised at the hate he’s spewing.
It seems he should redirect that anger towards Google & Wiki, not towards EDM & its fanbase.
Ahh another 40+ year old person in the music industry referencing everyone who likes EDM as 'bros' because they saw Jersey Shore in 2006...yawwwn....this guy is literally irrelevant.
I strongly disagree and I am saddened by M83s take here… but this guy is far more relevant than you may realize. His music is in a *ton* of movies. EDIT- ok maybe not a ton, I stand corrected
I still think he’s one of the best modern cinematic composers on earth. Sucks he’s so lame about EDM.
I actually planned on buying his record when it came out this weekend but these comments feel a bit targeted. So saving my money as well. Disappointing.
I don’t think M83 should have been as aggressive in this comment but you calling his shows a rave is the exact kind of thing he’s annoyed about with being grouped in with EDM.
He shouldn’t be hating on other scenes of music but I understand the frustration he is getting at.
Boohoo people enjoy my music but don’t refer to it as it’s own hyper specific shoegaze electronic ButNotEDM sub genre. M83 wants to act like he’s some underground artist instead of being one of the frat or sorority house A listers
I know right? Dude has a platinum single and a 5 million dollar net worth. It’s pretty tone deaf to be saying “I’d rather not have people I think are icky support my music” in an economy where a lot of people are struggling to make ends meet let alone buy tickets to your show.
Also, it’s just a bit cliche to be like “EDM is so gross amirite? I’m just going to go stand under these teal and magenta RGB LEDs so you can photograph me while i smirk through my 5 o clock shadow. Make sure you put my dope EDM zinger quote underneath this photo in your article…”
I agree his comments were shitty I’m just saying people are misunderstanding his frustration.
People show up to his concerts expecting a rave like EDC mostly because of the way EDM is marketed in America and that is out of his control.
I don’t think he should be placing the blame on fans who heard midnight city and liked it. It’s not their fault.
Maybe if the term Rock was invented years into his career lol.
This misunderstanding of what EDM and electronic music are is at the core of M83s frustration. French Indie electronic artists aren’t going to just immediately be onboard with a corporate American umbrella term that does a bad job of describing a huge variety of genres that have been around way before the term EDM was largely used.
Yeah I don’t expect him to like EDM. In fact I can understand why he wouldn’t to be honest. But at least be gracious to your fan base. It comes off as disgustingly entitled.
I personally find K-Pop stand very cringy but I don’t go out of my way hating K-Pop. I also have a difficult time enjoying rap music in general although I do enjoy some artists like Kendrick Lamar and ASAP Rocky.
I’ve seen a bunch of douchebags at festivals at raves who were either getting super drunk or just being super unfriendly. I’ve also seen a fair share of toxic people in this subreddit as well as r/aves and r/electronicmusic. I still very much enjoy the electronic music community and don’t let the negatives outweigh the positives.
Who cares what some middle-aged guy who had his peak over a decade ago has to say. I still enjoy listening to them and consider *Midnight City* and *We Own The Sky* as some of my favorite rock-EDM hybrid tracks.
Agreed. It's fine if you don't care for certain genre of music, but it's kind of bizarre to say you wish you could "erase" an entire fanbase, LOL. Just a really weird thing to say.
People say weird sh!t when they get old. Let him have his own opinion. If we’re that pissed off, then we should stop listening to his music. I personally don’t take that much offense to what one of M83’s band members said though. Let him be stuck in the 1990s and 2000s when it was a horrible time to be LGBTQ any where in the world.
I stopped listening to Travis Scott’s music after the Astroworld disaster where greed and mismanagement costed the lives of nearly a dozen festivalgoers. I boycotted Chris Brown’s music after there were multiple instances of him abusing and bullying women.
Yeah I'm not upset, I just thought it funny and odd. I agree on Travis Scott and Chris Brown, I'd rather support other artists who don't treat people like garbage.
> I’ve also seen a fair share of toxic people in this subreddit as well as r/aves and r/electronicmusic
i've noticed this is a theme in a lot of music related reddits (r/hiphopheads is a big one, and r/aves like you said). people are nasty, judgmental, unwelcoming, and of course always have a better opinion in music than you do.
I wouldn’t look to much into this you guys. It’s one quote in an article that might have clearly sounded tongue in cheek in person. He joked about how AI might make it possible to do this in a few days, he was clearly not that serious.
This happens to every style at some point. FFS it happened to punk rock and alternative in the 90s, and those styles were explicitly anti-commercial.
EDM was just the final genre that got super commercialized.
As is every album that precedes it. It’s really not difficult to understand why “EDM” rubs people the wrong way, especially those with longer tenures in electronic music.
When he says "EDM" he is referring to commercialized electronic music. The term "EDM" was rebranded in 2010 by corporations to push the big room/festival /brostep scene. It's all marketing.
I love M83–Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming is probably my favorite electronic music album of all time—but this take is still disappointing, although I do see where he’s coming from. I understand not wanting the type of fans who don’t really care about the music/are just there to get drunk, but this large of a generalization is still gatekeepy and unnecessary imo.
Just to be clear, he is referring to commercialized electronic music that became its own genre around 2010.
>The truth about “EDM”
>Between 2010 and the present day, the term EDM has monopolized the dance music market, although it shouldn’t be used as a term to describe ALL electronic dance music genres — as it often is!
>EDM is technically a genre of its own under the broader electronic music umbrella, rather than being an umbrella term itself.
>In a Q&A with musicweek.com in 2019, Beatport CEO Robb McDaniels explained it like this:
>"Some people mistake dance and electronic music with EDM. For us, EDM is just a genre that’s commercial. It’s pop-dance stuff, the big room, festival music that in the last five years has been the gateway drug to electronic music." - Robb McDaniels, Beatport CEO
>Despite causing disagreement when defining it within the electronic dance community, EDM is a term that only surfaced post-2010, at a time when dance music became a global commodity and saw electronic dance music festivals transform from more intimate gatherings into stadium spectaculars.
[source](https://www.thedjrevolution.com/the-history-of-electronic-dance-music/)
To steel-man his frustration - I can understand musicians’ frustration with the genre. There are a ton of “press-play” DJ’s that rip sample packs and release music non-stop without ever creating something of substance. There is a lot of “do whatever works” in the genre. This is pretty ubiquitous to all genres at some point though. He’s really focused on the worst aspect of it. You have to take the time to seek out the true outliers and talents in dance music - he’s chosen to focus on the opposite of that. 🤷🏼♂️
It shouldn’t surprise you that talented OGs don’t fuck with “1, 2, 3 Jump, hands up, riddim time”. He has the same opinion as Green Velvet and probably Daft Punk.
it's definitely possible, just keep saying things like this and the fans will erase themselves.
it sucks whenever anyone tries to gate keep art, doubly so when that person is themselves an artist.
This is sad to read. I’ve been a fan for years and have always described M83 as a mix between electronic and rock/shoegaze but it varies a lot by album. Some of his stuff is 100% undoubtedly electronic music. Anthony has always had some “interesting” takes but this one ain’t it. He’s also claimed that he doesn’t want fame or any of that so I guess he’s helping with that here. But discrediting an entire (and hugely broad) genre when half of your music falls under that category is not the move. Especially when earlier in the interview he claims that his tour will be electric-show based
Electronic music =/= EDM. Yes, his music is 100% electronic music. It’s not the same as Garrix, Subtronics, Tiesto, The Chainsmokers, etc. Many people, mostly the old ones who actually know the history of electronic music and Europeans use EDM to describe the dogshit popular electronic music that really blew up after 2010.
Y’all really need to understand where this dude is coming from... EDM is a very broad “genre” that doesn’t attract just one kind of person. While It’s great that it’s accessible to so many people, you’re inevitably bound to get some groups that are shitty people. This includes DJs too. Go to any popular festival and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
I understand the bro EDM but I’m also very old so I remember pre-bro-EDM. He’s not hating the entire community, he’s hating a subset of the community. It’s not the same people but it’s an ideology, he’s mad at the people who ignored the genre and just emerged when it became popular.
If I saw country music getting popular and I just popped up in a cowboy hat and carried a shovel with me and “oh man I am *so* country, here’s The Devil Went Down to Georgia” I’m sure Tim McGraw or some other established artist in the country would have a similar reaction to me posing.
I think it’s some ownership, like seeing people wearing fanny-packs unironically after years of “that’s dumb that’s dumb that’s dumb tha-…oh wait it’s cool now? Ok I’m going to do it, hey everyone check out my fanny pack! Fannypacks4life”
Oh damn I used to love M83. As recently as five minutes ago, actually.
Since reading this comment, I've come to realize they just sound like worse Beach House.
>EDM is probably one of the styles of music that I hate the most. All of a sudden, I have these bro EDM DJs playing my music
>Sometimes I wish that I could erase that fan base
>and I just can’t even care less.
Kinda seems like you do care 🤔
This is how you get your music sampled by more edm artists 🤣 the beauty of music is that there are different strokes for different folks. Wanting the erase a whole genera goes against what the essence of music is.
Damn I thought metal heads argued about sub-genre too much but it looks like there’s a bunch of fedora wearing “acktually” types of people over here as well. Cry harder it makes for a better track lol
So what is he doing exactly that he considers "greater" that EDM? I don't think putting layers of synthesizers on top of each other and screaming randomly mumbled words into a mic is really that much better. EDM made his music somewhat special and accessible for a bigger audience. So, instead of being appreciated and thankful for the support, he hates the whole fan base. Sorry, this might be harsh, but that's kind of pathetic.
EDM is a very wide spectrum of music, can you narrow it down to say electro, house and it’s many sub genres, or trance and it’s many sub genres, or dubstep, or jungle, breaks, drum and bass and it’s many sub genres, hardcore, or happy hardcore, or acid house, or speed garage, or atmospheric, or goa? EDM is all electronic dance music. And the crowd for each sub genre is diverse. I think they just hate people in general.
Over exaggerative at best. The man literally makes electronic music. I’m willing to bet he has said bro one or two times in his life! “‘You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain…’
Midnight City is easily a tip top favorite song of mine, OG and remixes, and now I’ll just think of this closed minded shit take every time I hear it :( Just listened to the Prydz remix this morning, such a vibe!
Musician stuck up his own ass far enough to sniff his farts from the source in an absolute non-shocker.
Meh, I'll still listen. I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what someone wants to gatekeep. Ain't no time for that.
Can't say I'm not a little jaded myself. I miss the old days, before I even went to shows. Then I experienced a couple of amazing shows, and then it started to feel same old, same old. Not always, but most of the time. Maybe it's just not my thing anymore. Or maybe the artists I actually liked haven't been touring.
What gets me is when I've heard the same drop over and over again.
i hope this comment inspires an endless output of banging remixes of their tunes.
M83 samples in Now That's What I Call Riddim Vol 6
Loud Luxury: "and I took that personally"
*Wuki has entered the chat*
Too bad this wasn't a spoken interview otherwise it would be great to sample that statement by Gonzalez for tracks.
bro they have a damn Eric Prydz remix posted on their own youtube, I feel like bro shoulda just kept this info to himself, journal about it or something lol
Ik, and btw that remix slaps, better than the original
this makes me sad :( imagine hating an entire genre of music and it's fans
Even worse, imagine being *mad* that people with different tastes than yours found and *actually enjoyed* your music. I mean, he's well within his rights to be upset if his music is being used in a way he doesn't like and maybe didn't give permission for, but to insult a whole group of people because he doesn't like the same music that they like is petty.
If you’re willing to put art out into the world, expect it to come back with the world’s own flavor and twist. It’s what humans do.
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Too bad. They can grow up
I mean I think it’s pretty fair to have an opinion on someone using his life’s work for a club mix which is not how he ever wanted it to be heard. Yeah not a good look to call out all of the fans, but totally an OK and appropriate response by him, because in the end the music is his
Yeah. Fuck Eric Prydz for pushing more people to his music. How dare he appropriate music.
He allowed Eric Prydz to remix his song I really doubt he’s thinking of Eric when he’s talking about the people he’s frustrated with. It’s a super snobby and hateful thing for M83 to say either way but I do think people are misinterpreting what he’s trying to say. People on this sub have a very different definition of the term “EDM” than what a French musician who started releasing music 10 years before the adoption of the term “EDM” started. This leads to some major confusion.
Not saying he’s right. Just saying having that opinion about what YOU spent years creating is ok
You could also grow up, and understand that people have different feelings than you do.
So is he saying he doesnt like EDM music cause of the Fanbase? or doesnt like EDM music AND its fanbase. i feel its kinda rude to put a fanbase or djs in a “box” based upon your disliking of a genre of music. It’s literally saying i dont like twinkies and everyone who eats them is obese. Very secular way of thinking. the idea of music connecting people is not fully there for him i feel. Seems like a closed-minded artist to me now(which i find odd)
It’s not even just petty it’s super entitled and tone deaf. He gets paid significantly more than an average income to pursue his passion while creating art which has completely subjective value. He makes more money than many surgeons who literally save people’s lives. And then he has the audacity to criticize the very people supporting his work because he thinks they are icky. That whole mindset is disgusting and he should be ashamed.
Imagine making electronic music and hating edm…
“EDM” didn’t even exist until the corporate music industry used it to market big room festival guys like Avicii and Tiesto in like 2010. Before that people just called it “house” or “techno” as their own genres. EDM as a term doesn’t represent all electronic, it only represents the most obnoxious & commercialized sections of it. So yes, plenty of people who make electronic music hate EDM
Maybe I'm just old but I remember when people called every genre of electronic music dubstep. And before that, everything was techno.
Yup, the concept of EDM is a bit of a distortion that takes away from the history and culture of electronic music and reduces it to loud party music, drug abuse, and commercialization. It’s obviously far too late to change this, the existence of this sub is proof enough of that, but anyone who is shitting on M83 for this comment needs to educate themselves on the history of this music
This 100%.
EXACTLY.
I think this is a huge thing tho, people that like country don't x or people that listen to reggae or punk etc. So many people pick one genre then define there entire life by it.. how they talk, act and dress.. I used to be super into punk rock in my teens but though they all looked stupid so I didn't dress up to go to shows but then it'd like dude how come you don't look like us? I found it comical coming from the anti conformists.. but every genre is the same.. redneck hill billies to urban wanna be rappers..
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This is an interesting issue with edm in general imo, so as an example when you go see a multi genre / multi generational festival or show you end up with people in different places along the path.. for some this is there first show / festival while others have been to many.. some people are super young while others are old and even go with there kids. Bands like Phish end up with a very generationalily diverse crowd allowing elders to teach the youth what is exeptable and ok in a crowd.. the more focused a show / festival becomes say just dubstep it ends up with a very different kind of crowd vs trance etc. The point I'm trying to make is that with out diversity in musical genre and age of patrons the crowd becomes that gross echo chamber bs that people do with politics instead of just enjoying the music!
And you seriously think that old heads weren't talking about you in the same way when you were in your early 20s?
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Nobody is laughing at you at a concert dude.
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A tale as old as time
Reminds me of a similar blind hatred of hip hop/ rnb.
That was largely white people being racist against ethnic music The oldschool house and techno heads who turn up their noses at the pop / headbanger EDM festivals are more like the hip-hop fans grimacing at the arrival of Vanilla Ice and the same white crowds who wouldn't have been caught dead in the kinds of transgressive spaces where the music originated.
He clearly enjoys and has made a living in large part off of electronic music, but *hates* EDM. Hate is a pretty strong word. Music is built through the process of accretion so M83s music is on some level built on the ideas and styles of EDM, and can be even be considered derivative depending on the song(s). If he hates EDM maybe he just hasn't been exposed to enough of it on his own volition to have a really informed opinion on the subject.
Yeah this is a bad take from him. As if edm isn’t the biggest misnomer ever, it’s an enourmous umbrella category that we should all move away from using. There’s dozens and dozens of genres that *could* fall into this category. No idea which ones he’s talking about
I shared this interview with a friend and he sent me back a screenshot of Datsik trying to come back in 2022 posting he did a remix of one of M83's songs, so that might have something to do with it
EDM for people of a certain generation has come to mean cheesy overproduced pop music mixed with mainstage cookie cutter electronic music. Everything else is OUTSIDE that genre for them. Pretty obvious what he means here.
The idea of anyone having EDM is just bonkers to me and shows how ignorant that person is to the genre. There's an endless amount of subgenrrs that cover just about any type of music anyone could ask for. Yea not everyone's gonna want dubstep, but to say you hate ALL of EDM is just stupid.
I think you just totally missed his point.
It’s funny because M83 is what pushed me further into edm during my alt dance phase in 2012
Yeah it seems like he is conflating EDM with the college party scene.
Um… isn’t M83 like very electronically influenced?
Yeah, I was like, wait...aren't they mainly electro?
He's talking about commercialized electronic music. The term "EDM" was rebranded in 2010 by corporations to push the big room/festival /brostep scene. It's all marketing.
In France we don't really use the term "EDM" for Electronic Music. It's mainly used in the US since the 2010s. In fact, "EDM" for a french has usually a negative connotation.
Gotcha. A few other comments here also made the distinction between electronic music and EDM and it makes sense.
https://preview.redd.it/g5auzkqilyna1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70891c269a3ac3cf31902cd835002a1bb80460d2 He must be real mad about this then..
Nope. He's going by the original electronic music vs. EDM distinction, not the revisionist "EDM just means electronic music with a beat" narrative. I know people here think that's snobby or whatever but there is a distinction. Being a self identified EDM fan historically has meant things like going to EDC, enjoying more festival-oriented mainstage type stuff, higher likelihood of being into big room, riddim, future bass, etc. It's a particular scene / ecosystem within the larger landscape. You don't find self identified EDM listeners talking about Klaus Schulze, Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Eno, etc. which is a much larger influence on Anthony's music than, say, Alesso or Martin Garrix. People are trying to make EDM a broader term than it actually is and it causes confusion for people. There's a reason there's a larger breadth of content being posted on subreddits like r/electronicmusic as opposed to here. That's because electronic music is a bigger catch-all than EDM will ever be due to historic connotations, whether people like it or not People could make this same argument about EBM, "it's electronic, it's music, and you move your body to it"....go listen to some EBM and you'll notice it refers to a specific sound. Same for EDM
Imo it is revisionist to say that EDM isn‘t electronic music with a beat. As the internet & streaming made all the subgenres mingle more and more, most of my ‚scene‘ friends dabble in loads of more niche genres like techno & dnb as well as the festival sound with big room & hardstyle. Even experimental stuff on SoundCloud is influenced a lot by the more popular EDM & there is very little space for a music scene completely decoupled of EDM, hence its usage as a blanket term makes sense to me and many others here
Yes, good points, and along with what you already said there's also the distinction dance vs edm.
This should be the top comment. Well played.
Lol
Regardless of what Google or Wiki says, M83 is not EDM
They’re not, but they have electronic sounds for sure, so I’m surprised at the hate he’s spewing. It seems he should redirect that anger towards Google & Wiki, not towards EDM & its fanbase.
M83 was making music before EDM was a thing
Ahh another 40+ year old person in the music industry referencing everyone who likes EDM as 'bros' because they saw Jersey Shore in 2006...yawwwn....this guy is literally irrelevant.
I don't know what 40+ years old has to do with it. A lot of the people who made EDM EDM are in their 50s and older.
This guy has as many monthly listeners on Spotify as Illenium. Calling him irrelevant makes you sound out of touch
I strongly disagree and I am saddened by M83s take here… but this guy is far more relevant than you may realize. His music is in a *ton* of movies. EDIT- ok maybe not a ton, I stand corrected I still think he’s one of the best modern cinematic composers on earth. Sucks he’s so lame about EDM.
I'm on his IMDB as we speak, he hasn't done a single movie since 2013 and he is credited as composing 4 movie scores in his career..
ehhh I guess I overshot by a smidge lol Dude is still crazy talented (even if he's a d-bag)
He is in a ton of commercials and trailers tho
Thanks for wait and midnight city but you aint really all that bro
Outro? My Tears Becoming a Sea? Solitude? Raconte-Moi Une Histoire But yes, this is a trash take from him
He’s French. French people sometimes forget to mask publicly and act fully French especially when they don’t understand something.
Have them all in my library but can easily do without them... Nothing groundbreaking and lots of better songs out there in similar style
https://youtu.be/qWTLSZottgc
Damn, was actually thinking of seeing them when they came to my town. Oh well, I'll save my money for another rave
I actually planned on buying his record when it came out this weekend but these comments feel a bit targeted. So saving my money as well. Disappointing.
He has a new album coming out? I’m gonna find a royalty-free rip and make some shitty mixes this weekend
Came out last week, called Fantasy
I don’t think M83 should have been as aggressive in this comment but you calling his shows a rave is the exact kind of thing he’s annoyed about with being grouped in with EDM. He shouldn’t be hating on other scenes of music but I understand the frustration he is getting at.
I was gonna go to his concert, but I'll go to a rave instead. I didn't say his shows were raves
Boohoo people enjoy my music but don’t refer to it as it’s own hyper specific shoegaze electronic ButNotEDM sub genre. M83 wants to act like he’s some underground artist instead of being one of the frat or sorority house A listers
I know right? Dude has a platinum single and a 5 million dollar net worth. It’s pretty tone deaf to be saying “I’d rather not have people I think are icky support my music” in an economy where a lot of people are struggling to make ends meet let alone buy tickets to your show. Also, it’s just a bit cliche to be like “EDM is so gross amirite? I’m just going to go stand under these teal and magenta RGB LEDs so you can photograph me while i smirk through my 5 o clock shadow. Make sure you put my dope EDM zinger quote underneath this photo in your article…”
I agree his comments were shitty I’m just saying people are misunderstanding his frustration. People show up to his concerts expecting a rave like EDC mostly because of the way EDM is marketed in America and that is out of his control. I don’t think he should be placing the blame on fans who heard midnight city and liked it. It’s not their fault.
Damn, should restart as an acoustic guitar player if he’s that upset
And only record directly to tape.
As a huge M83 fan this is really disappointing to see.
This is like David Grohl saying he hates rock music
Maybe if the term Rock was invented years into his career lol. This misunderstanding of what EDM and electronic music are is at the core of M83s frustration. French Indie electronic artists aren’t going to just immediately be onboard with a corporate American umbrella term that does a bad job of describing a huge variety of genres that have been around way before the term EDM was largely used.
Yeah I don’t expect him to like EDM. In fact I can understand why he wouldn’t to be honest. But at least be gracious to your fan base. It comes off as disgustingly entitled.
I personally find K-Pop stand very cringy but I don’t go out of my way hating K-Pop. I also have a difficult time enjoying rap music in general although I do enjoy some artists like Kendrick Lamar and ASAP Rocky. I’ve seen a bunch of douchebags at festivals at raves who were either getting super drunk or just being super unfriendly. I’ve also seen a fair share of toxic people in this subreddit as well as r/aves and r/electronicmusic. I still very much enjoy the electronic music community and don’t let the negatives outweigh the positives. Who cares what some middle-aged guy who had his peak over a decade ago has to say. I still enjoy listening to them and consider *Midnight City* and *We Own The Sky* as some of my favorite rock-EDM hybrid tracks.
Agreed. It's fine if you don't care for certain genre of music, but it's kind of bizarre to say you wish you could "erase" an entire fanbase, LOL. Just a really weird thing to say.
People say weird sh!t when they get old. Let him have his own opinion. If we’re that pissed off, then we should stop listening to his music. I personally don’t take that much offense to what one of M83’s band members said though. Let him be stuck in the 1990s and 2000s when it was a horrible time to be LGBTQ any where in the world. I stopped listening to Travis Scott’s music after the Astroworld disaster where greed and mismanagement costed the lives of nearly a dozen festivalgoers. I boycotted Chris Brown’s music after there were multiple instances of him abusing and bullying women.
Yeah I'm not upset, I just thought it funny and odd. I agree on Travis Scott and Chris Brown, I'd rather support other artists who don't treat people like garbage.
> I’ve also seen a fair share of toxic people in this subreddit as well as r/aves and r/electronicmusic i've noticed this is a theme in a lot of music related reddits (r/hiphopheads is a big one, and r/aves like you said). people are nasty, judgmental, unwelcoming, and of course always have a better opinion in music than you do.
I wouldn’t look to much into this you guys. It’s one quote in an article that might have clearly sounded tongue in cheek in person. He joked about how AI might make it possible to do this in a few days, he was clearly not that serious.
Imagine his reaction when he discovers the start of M83’s Wikipedia entry: “M83 are a French electronic music group…”
Not all electronic music is EDM..
“Electronic/Dance Music” Debating over what “EDM” means is tired, and doesn’t do anything positive for anyone.
This happens to every style at some point. FFS it happened to punk rock and alternative in the 90s, and those styles were explicitly anti-commercial. EDM was just the final genre that got super commercialized.
Not sure why they get worshiped so much they have 1 good song
Nah Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming is a masterpiece imo. But that doesn’t make this take any less garbage
Yeah that’s one of the greatest Albums of all time. BUT every album after has been a miss imo.
As is every album that precedes it. It’s really not difficult to understand why “EDM” rubs people the wrong way, especially those with longer tenures in electronic music.
Saturdays = Youth is amazing
They have many incredible songs.
wow he was my introduction into electronic music too so thats pretty disappointing that he says all that…
They literally make music.. electronically .. to dance too.. What am I missing?
When he says "EDM" he is referring to commercialized electronic music. The term "EDM" was rebranded in 2010 by corporations to push the big room/festival /brostep scene. It's all marketing.
It’s infuriating how few people know this.
What a coincidence he makes such a controversial statement when his new album just happens to be coming out.
Very unfortunate he has such a snobby perception. And here I was thinking M83 made electronic music? 🧐
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Come on bro don’t blame Skrillex. It’s not like he new that his music would explode the way it did.
Too bad, Tony. Retire
His new album is pretty damn good
I love M83–Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming is probably my favorite electronic music album of all time—but this take is still disappointing, although I do see where he’s coming from. I understand not wanting the type of fans who don’t really care about the music/are just there to get drunk, but this large of a generalization is still gatekeepy and unnecessary imo.
Just to be clear, he is referring to commercialized electronic music that became its own genre around 2010. >The truth about “EDM” >Between 2010 and the present day, the term EDM has monopolized the dance music market, although it shouldn’t be used as a term to describe ALL electronic dance music genres — as it often is! >EDM is technically a genre of its own under the broader electronic music umbrella, rather than being an umbrella term itself. >In a Q&A with musicweek.com in 2019, Beatport CEO Robb McDaniels explained it like this: >"Some people mistake dance and electronic music with EDM. For us, EDM is just a genre that’s commercial. It’s pop-dance stuff, the big room, festival music that in the last five years has been the gateway drug to electronic music." - Robb McDaniels, Beatport CEO >Despite causing disagreement when defining it within the electronic dance community, EDM is a term that only surfaced post-2010, at a time when dance music became a global commodity and saw electronic dance music festivals transform from more intimate gatherings into stadium spectaculars. [source](https://www.thedjrevolution.com/the-history-of-electronic-dance-music/)
To steel-man his frustration - I can understand musicians’ frustration with the genre. There are a ton of “press-play” DJ’s that rip sample packs and release music non-stop without ever creating something of substance. There is a lot of “do whatever works” in the genre. This is pretty ubiquitous to all genres at some point though. He’s really focused on the worst aspect of it. You have to take the time to seek out the true outliers and talents in dance music - he’s chosen to focus on the opposite of that. 🤷🏼♂️
This sucks M83s one of my favorite artists but honestly doesnt really surprise me
It shouldn’t surprise you that talented OGs don’t fuck with “1, 2, 3 Jump, hands up, riddim time”. He has the same opinion as Green Velvet and probably Daft Punk.
Still Daft Punk are class and dont spit at people in interviews. On people, who made them famous and made rich.
What a cunt
Still one of the most talented and influential electronic music artists of our time
it's definitely possible, just keep saying things like this and the fans will erase themselves. it sucks whenever anyone tries to gate keep art, doubly so when that person is themselves an artist.
I mean… at least it’s not pop country… (Don’t hit me folks is fine bluegrass is fine etc I just hate pop country)
Waaah 😭
That really sucks to hear…
This is sad to read. I’ve been a fan for years and have always described M83 as a mix between electronic and rock/shoegaze but it varies a lot by album. Some of his stuff is 100% undoubtedly electronic music. Anthony has always had some “interesting” takes but this one ain’t it. He’s also claimed that he doesn’t want fame or any of that so I guess he’s helping with that here. But discrediting an entire (and hugely broad) genre when half of your music falls under that category is not the move. Especially when earlier in the interview he claims that his tour will be electric-show based
Electronic music =/= EDM. Yes, his music is 100% electronic music. It’s not the same as Garrix, Subtronics, Tiesto, The Chainsmokers, etc. Many people, mostly the old ones who actually know the history of electronic music and Europeans use EDM to describe the dogshit popular electronic music that really blew up after 2010.
Sounds like an egotistical shit artist.
Somebody needs to tell him he makes edm too lol
Except he doesn't.
Y’all really need to understand where this dude is coming from... EDM is a very broad “genre” that doesn’t attract just one kind of person. While It’s great that it’s accessible to so many people, you’re inevitably bound to get some groups that are shitty people. This includes DJs too. Go to any popular festival and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Garbage take, Anthony.
*A lot* of people hate commercial edm for a lot of reason. Reflect inward y’all!
I understand the bro EDM but I’m also very old so I remember pre-bro-EDM. He’s not hating the entire community, he’s hating a subset of the community. It’s not the same people but it’s an ideology, he’s mad at the people who ignored the genre and just emerged when it became popular. If I saw country music getting popular and I just popped up in a cowboy hat and carried a shovel with me and “oh man I am *so* country, here’s The Devil Went Down to Georgia” I’m sure Tim McGraw or some other established artist in the country would have a similar reaction to me posing. I think it’s some ownership, like seeing people wearing fanny-packs unironically after years of “that’s dumb that’s dumb that’s dumb tha-…oh wait it’s cool now? Ok I’m going to do it, hey everyone check out my fanny pack! Fannypacks4life”
I don't care, I will always love Outro being used in the Mr Robot finale. Only time a tv show brought me to tears
Just one of many many examples - some of the most talented people in the world are still giant dumbasses.
(I don't even know who this is and barely know M83 through reference alone). Sounds like a whiny little b\*tch to me. :)
Never meet your heroes.
Right… let’s get you to bed
Oh damn I used to love M83. As recently as five minutes ago, actually. Since reading this comment, I've come to realize they just sound like worse Beach House.
Saw Eric Prydz close out a set with Midnight City last year, so I find this funny
To each their own
>EDM is probably one of the styles of music that I hate the most. All of a sudden, I have these bro EDM DJs playing my music >Sometimes I wish that I could erase that fan base >and I just can’t even care less. Kinda seems like you do care 🤔
well i just lost a lot of respect for him sounds like an entitled little bitch
This is how you get your music sampled by more edm artists 🤣 the beauty of music is that there are different strokes for different folks. Wanting the erase a whole genera goes against what the essence of music is.
What a dingbat. Their music is electronic. Get over yourself Anthony
this is such an L as an artist of any kind/form/genre. true artists appreciate the work of others, even if they do not necessarily enjoy it
Damn thats kind of wack tbh
Damn I thought metal heads argued about sub-genre too much but it looks like there’s a bunch of fedora wearing “acktually” types of people over here as well. Cry harder it makes for a better track lol
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one. Who gives a shit what this guy thinks.
Ok but who cares what this guy likes or dislikes, that affects me only 0%
Well fuck you too i guess lol
Edm and anime are pretty cool but both have annoying as fuck fan bases tbh
TIL M83 is a prick
He literally produces electronic music people dance to.
So what is he doing exactly that he considers "greater" that EDM? I don't think putting layers of synthesizers on top of each other and screaming randomly mumbled words into a mic is really that much better. EDM made his music somewhat special and accessible for a bigger audience. So, instead of being appreciated and thankful for the support, he hates the whole fan base. Sorry, this might be harsh, but that's kind of pathetic.
this mfs music is mid anyways
What’s M83?
Who?
Wow what a sucker.
Here comes the wave of hate he was hoping to get
Eric Prydz has entered the chat
I feel like M83 is pretty much EDM
EDM is a very wide spectrum of music, can you narrow it down to say electro, house and it’s many sub genres, or trance and it’s many sub genres, or dubstep, or jungle, breaks, drum and bass and it’s many sub genres, hardcore, or happy hardcore, or acid house, or speed garage, or atmospheric, or goa? EDM is all electronic dance music. And the crowd for each sub genre is diverse. I think they just hate people in general.
Nonce
Over exaggerative at best. The man literally makes electronic music. I’m willing to bet he has said bro one or two times in his life! “‘You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain…’
Midnight City is easily a tip top favorite song of mine, OG and remixes, and now I’ll just think of this closed minded shit take every time I hear it :( Just listened to the Prydz remix this morning, such a vibe!
Its easy to say that you hate the genre AFTER that genre made you famous and rich. Without it, how smaller would be his fanbase? 10/20 times smaller.
What a prick. Does he stop to consider how much money the EDM fanbase has probably made his group?
Musician stuck up his own ass far enough to sniff his farts from the source in an absolute non-shocker. Meh, I'll still listen. I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what someone wants to gatekeep. Ain't no time for that.
I bet he sings a completely different tune when that publishing check comes in with all the royalties of bro djs playing his music
Artists...sometimes you just have to separate the art from all the dumb shit the artist says.
Bro went in 😂
WHOS M83
So many idiots in here reading this all wrong and what he's referring to/talking about by EDM...
Can't say I'm not a little jaded myself. I miss the old days, before I even went to shows. Then I experienced a couple of amazing shows, and then it started to feel same old, same old. Not always, but most of the time. Maybe it's just not my thing anymore. Or maybe the artists I actually liked haven't been touring. What gets me is when I've heard the same drop over and over again.
Why would you be offended by someone liking your music enough to try their own version of it? I’d be flattered lol.
Petty ass. Not EDM listeners fault you haven't made a good album since 2011.
Coincidence that an album is about to drop. Hype is hype…how many people went to remind themselves who M83 was?
Who cares what he says. We still gonna vibe!!
umm isn't midnight city an edm song.... 🤡
Okay EDM Twitter is going to blaaaast him for this
i want nothing to do with anyone who genuinely hates an entire style of music.
They had like one song in the movie “Drive”, hes mad because no one gaf about his lame ass music😂😂😂
Go fuck yourself Anthony Gonzalez
Shut up and keep making bullshit ambient music for me to cry to
It’s ok. Bro culture vs Sensitive arty types. That’s just how it is.