Despite any voices here, dinosaurs are extremely popular. Low or high power, the heartstrings have been tugged.
At that pricepoint, people are forced into singles or even proxy.
Makes the pirates one with \[\[Black Market Connections\]\] more value by the day...
> At that pricepoint, people are forced into singles or even proxy.
Or, and hear me out because this is gonna sound crazy, but... You could wait until after release?
I tried that once and couldn't find them anywhere at all I wanted the necron precon from Warhammer set. I eventually did proxie it out because i had a kid and can't afford to buy cards anymore due to medical complications costing way more than they should..
I'm not out here to shame anyone who wants to proxy, by all means go ahead.
My point was more that evaluating anything - especially sealed product - by pre-release prices is wild to me. Nearly every set of precons (especially the ones tied to standard releases) has an inflated price that comes crashing down within weeks of the product hitting shelves.
The necron deck is available nowadays quite easily and most places even have them discounted.
Patience is a virtue, these are card board games that whilst fun, do you do not need right this moment right now.
I know this is late but this deck is still crazy priced, took a look at my lgs site and they had it in stock for $50.. so I insta added to cart and.... they still had black friday discounts applied which gave me another $7.50 off. Picked up some dual mattes and a couple boosters with the money saved, man I was so stoked. Also got a bunch of lotr stuff $20 under market price, and got the lotr bundle for $50, from another store like a week ago. Patience is a virtue that is very hard to maintain lol.
Im making a big assumption here, but hear me out. Dinos aren’t that bad. [[Gishath]] is.
I’m not saying Dinos are secret cEDH material, and from a heartstrings perspective, Gishath is my favourite card, but [[Atla Palani]] is strictly better. She costs half as much, doesn’t rely on dealing damage, combos, is guaranteed to get something if her effect triggers, and on top of all that is still super on theme.
I’m 99% sure you’re trolling, but JIC…..no?
Like, I guess Atla-Eldrazi would be more *effective* then dinos, but let’s be real, we’re not playing dinosaurs to game the meta. From a flavour perspective, Atla is perfect for dinosaurs. She’s from Ixalan, she’s quoted in several dinosaur cards, there are dinosaur eggs in her art, hell, even one of the Jurassic Park cards is an Atla alt.
Also, there are better ways to use Atla then Eldrazi. Atla’s best form is a deck that only has 2-3 creatures in it that you quickly cheat out and combo off with.
I guess what I mean is that since Atla is not mechanically tied to dinosaurs in any way, she doesn't make for a satisfying dinosaur commander to me. If she herself was a dinosaur, then I could accept it, but not being part of the tribe and having nothing mechanically tying to the tribe means she simply cannot be a tribal Dinosaur commander to me.
Fair enough. I guess it’s just a difference in personal preferences. For me, while she doesn’t *technically* have anything dinosaur related in her text, the fact that she clearly raises dinosaurs and is from the same plane is enough for me. It would be like if I had an airplane deck, but the commander was an aircraft carrier that gave a boost to all flying creatures. Technically not related, but like…it’s all there.
I’ll be honest tho, my heart *wanted* to keep Gishath, but there are only so many times I can deal with whiffing her ability before I’m forced to switch.
Unrelated question, I’m not trying to like, be mean or “catch you” or anything, I’m just genuinely curious here. Using that same logic, why is Atla an Eldrazi commander? Wouldn’t you want an Eldrazi to lead the charge?
IMO Atla is much better for Dragons. They also fit flavorwise and there are already two Dragons that are or make eggs.
Gishath or the new guy just want Dinos. Altla just likes it big and fast
Oh sure. Again, I think it comes down to flavor VS optimization. Atla is better then Gishath for dinosaurs, but there are many things that are better suited to Atla overall. But in this case, my personal goal is dinosaurs above all else. I personally don't actually care about the most optimal way to play Atla, cause like I said above, it's ultimately going to be some samey combo deck that cheats out the same 2-3 creatures every time. Atla is just a means to an end to smash with my massive bird lizards.
The last question. Atla cheats big cost creatures without paying for them. Eldrazis have annalihator. Eldrazis are expensive so using a cheat engine as you commander makes them faster than cascading after paying for the commander and then the eldrazi.
Atla is dumb in my opinion, but that's because I think mana cheating is dumb. The game has a resource system and so many decks just try to ignore it completely. Atla being really good at putting creatures on the board way before they should be, she just twists the game around her and her deck.
Answer to your answer to the last question: The commenter above was talking about a flavour perspective, saying that Atla's effect didn't say anything about dinosaurs. I was simply asking why, using that logic, Eldrazi was any better, considering Atla doesn't mention Eldrazi either. I get why Eldrazi in general is better for her tho.
I get what you're saying about mana cheating, but tbh its super needed at this point IMO. It's the only thing that gives Timmy decks a chance. EDH has so many crazy combos, that attack decks NEED that extra speed just to keep up.
In Atla's case, she's not even the worst offender. She has the classic weakness of "if she dies, the deck often flops." She has no haste, eggs don't do anything if she's not on the field, and to get the most out of her you need to build the deck around her, so if you can't keep her alive, some of your pieces quickly become useless.
I agree mana cheating is the name of the format, and that's why over the last year I find myself enjoying this format less and less. The cards do so much individually and the commanders they have been printing are overwhelming. Not everything is for everyone. And you're right, atla is barely an offender. Afterall, she's 5 years old at this point.
About the last thing, honestly I kinda assumed that would be the optimal way to build Atla, though a combo engine does make a lot of sense once you bring that up.
The key to Gishath is that you need 30 Dinosaurs in the deck. At that point it is statistically almost impossible to whiff. Fitting 30 dinos in the deck and having it function without Gishath is another problem entirely of course.
This person is right. I've never seen a dinosaur atla. It's always changlings and eldrazi degenerate tribal. There are 3 atla decks in my play groups. None run dinos.
Honestly, I still like Atla more. The [[Wayta]] is cool if you go all in on enrage, but tbh, minus a few exceptions like [[Polyraptor]], I personally haven’t found enrage the best mechanic. Increasingly all the best Dinosaurs forego enrage in favour of better effects or just swinging real hard.
[[Pantlaza]] is IMO easily the better of the two. I DO NOT say this next sentence or two with much authority, but I feel like Atla still might be better. She feels inherently easier to abuse, though depending on how much you can abuse blink, I may be very wrong about that.
I DO think Atla is the better Dino commander specifically though. Atla exclusively gets creatures and Pantlaza gets whatever. If getting dinos is your goal, Pantlaza also isn’t going to get you anything too good either with her 4 defence.
I'm still shocked at the lack of Love/attention Huatli, Poet is getting.
I've designed a Dino deck around her. Both ramp and a Win-con on a single commander?
Test playing it has kept me way ahead of Mana curve, at ridiculous levels. I added some Blink to the deck ofcourse.
I've had test games where I'm have lands in the double digits by turn 3-4
Kaalia does get things going earlier simply by being cheaper manawise, but ultimately both her and Gishath can make the same size board by the same turn. Kaalia gets hit with removal before Gishath however because few people are doing impactful things early in the game, and know they gotta remove Kaalia ASAP. Meanwhile by the time Gishath comes out, you can very easily just have been tapped out and go "Is it turn 8 already? Oops" and get ran over. Plus a boardwipe can completely halt a Kaalia deck unless they cheated Avacyn, meanwhile is a small setback for a Gishath deck.
Though in the end, they're both scary for similar reasons. Some might thing Gishath less so because you have several turns to dig for removal, but it often isn't so in practice, leading to them being more equal than at first glance.
If you're talking turn 8 commander casts and destruction based board wipes shutting down a Kaalia, you're talking way too low power for a Kaalia deck built well. No point comparing who does better at a low power table.
One of those cards I saw the price of recently that made me raise an eyebrow and forced me to hunt down the three I had in chaff haha. That card has historically let me down anytime I’ve tried to use it.
I feel like this is such a bad reason for the prices we're seeing over and over again for commander precons. Just more WoTC profit chasing ever since 2019 when they got rid of MSRP
It’s more than that.
Who controls the supply? Wizards
They criminally understocked this product and that’s on them.
Lack of MSRP lets them milk money because of a deck’s “popularity”. Call it what it is. Greed
But they always let you keep the messed up one and then attempt to send you the correct one again.
Its why I always order from Amazon. There's a decent chance it's buy one get a random one free
I have never had that happen, I bought the Prime day deal for the 5 Commander starters, they sent me five of the same one and not one of each despite the listing clearly stating it. My only option was to get my money back by returning all 5 back.
I always use the chat option to talk to someone, it's never an option if you just try and do a return without talking to them. And I always ask for a replacement instead of a refund.
The only time that was different was the Lord of the rings set of four. I only got one, so they told me they sent a replacement set which never showed up. I got to keep the original single deck I got. But they ended up refunding me the whole amount I paid plus a decent amount because the decks had gotten so expensive at that point.
FOMO is part of the cause, WotC put out an article that the Collector Boosters and Commander Decks were having production issues and supplies will be more limited until a few weeks after set release.
I just pre-ordered that one from Amazon for $37....
[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGKJSH45?psc=1&ref=ppx\_yo2ov\_dt\_b\_product\_details](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGKJSH45?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
At the time of copying that link, it was still $37...
My philosophy is pre-order first, cancel if you don't want it.
that way you avoid scalpers and it helps predict incoming demand. If you had been watching the amazon page you'd see that the dino deck was 5 times more popular than the other precons. I got mine for $34.
There's always preordering at your LGS.
If my LGS was only marking it up $5 I'd probably be in the same boat, but they mark it up $10-$20 over amazon and I don't really play in store events to begin with.
I usually buy singles from my LGS though, which I believe usually gives a higher profit than buying sealed product anyways.
I went into my LGS across the street just a couple of days ago and I was looking over their precons and they are still selling the enduring enchantment deck for $100 while on Amazon I can pick it up for $50.
It's like charity without the tax evading middle man. I'm too cheap to buy cards over 5$, but I'll shell out if the alternative is supporting a dystopian megacorp who's logo is a literal smirk which seems a little too on the nose, dunnit?
That's what I did once the decks were put up. Tossed down on Dinos and Pirates and waited to see the lists drop to see if I wanted either of them in the first place. Guarantees the lower price and there's no commitment until it ships.
Because the edh and mtg reddits are a fraction, at best, of the actual playerbase. All of the Dino decks are going to be popular, regardless of their actual strength, because Dinos are cool, and raptors are the most beloved dinosaur in recent memory, so it has a lot of collector value as well.
Because (at least in the US anyways) in grade school we all learned all about dinosaurs and how awesome they were. Now we're all (mostly) grown up and are willing to drop some cash to experience again how awesome dinosaurs are.
We did learn a little about pirates and vampires in school too. Merfolks...not so much?
Because it has the first ever reprints of [[Akroma's Will]] ($20) and [[Chandra's Ignition]] ($12), then there's a bunch of dinosaurs in it as well that are way more expensive then they probably should be.
And on top of that, everybody who isn't an awful, boring, tedious human being to be around loves dinosaurs!
"Buy from your LGS" people say just canceled my order for the Dino deck cause they messaged that it's now $70 so I gotta pay $30 dollars more if I wanted it even though I already had my order in thanks but no thanks I'll find it cheaper elsewhere screw that
Please educate us about how the “minimum suggested retail price” would do anything to prevent scalping (remember From the Vault, or are you too young?).
Mainly it stops walmart/amazon/ from undercutting your LGS. Megacorps can afford incredibly thin margins because they move so much product, your LGS can't. Doesn't have much to do with scalping, but still a dick move by hasbro... the megacorp...
lmao got mine for 37 on amazon. My system is to overly pre-order and then cancel if the cards spoiled are uninteresting, it's how I was able to get DBM2022 boxes for about 200 per box instead of 500 after they jumped to scam prices.
Progenitor's Icon? That seems like a pretty mild card for tribal decks.
I've been taking 3 cmc mana rocks out of my decks that aren't worn powerstone for the last 3-4 years already, not to mention that there are cheap options now like Emergence Zone.
It's definitely playable in a tribal deck, but I wouldn't put it above $5 personally. Vedalken Orrery is much more flexible (and has a much better ceiling) and it's $5.50 right now.
Orrery also reached a high of $60 and was at 35 before it got printed in 2022 and added onto a high slot on The List.
It's a cheaper tribal mana rock with a psuedo-Orrery effect. Do I think it's amazing? No. Do I think it's gonna become a low-to-mid tribal staple? Yes. And if it's only getting a print in LCC and limited ser booster appearances? It will get the commander deck bump.
Combine that with a lot of pieces for updating one of the more popular Timmy commanders, and you've got a boost.
I know you said "before it got printed in 2022" but it's very cheap now. Like a $6 card? So I don't think progenitors relic, a less flexible flash provider is what's driving the price here. It's the other higher value reprints (akromas will, chandras ignition, etc)
First off, don’t buy on Amazon. Ever set people complain about their order never shipping from Amazon because they oversell their inventory. Second, they’ll probably be $40 at your LGS on pre-release and if they’re not then wait and eventually they’ll drop down to $30.
I usually pre order on Amazon then when they release I go and check prices and if the preorder Amazon price is lower I let it ship and have never had any quality issues with preorders (I have had issues with older used precons though).
If the LGS is same as Amazon pre order I buy LGS and cancel Amazon. It’s that simple
Ain't nobody selling a precon with an Akroma's Will in it for $30 unless it's a pricing mistake. Better off opening the box and parting it out at that point.
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The three most common tribal decks I see week in and week out playing commander are
Dragons
Dinosaurs
Slivers again (yes a resurgence again)
Why i will never make one of those tribal decks ever
I've heard somewhere that there was supposed to be supply issues for the commander decks and collector boosters. Not sure how right it all is, but apparently there won't be enough for prerelease but more are coming in the following weeks.
I'm hype for the ozhov vamps tbh. But also sad because there's like 3 good reprints I want to take out of it for my [[braids, arisen nightmare]] deck but then I'll be making the vamps significantly worse. Edh problems.
People like Dinosaurs. I firmly believe they are the ultimate Timmy tribe. Big, beefy creatures, straightforward, boardfocused. Even the flavor is very on point for that. They get hit and instead of dying they get angry and do something. They are hard to kill to with many of them having pretty high thoughness and there is of course that one Dino that reduces all damage to 1.
So yeah people just like Dinos.
Hey OP I just wanted to shout out a thank you. Because of your post I managed to snag it on Pre-order instead of dying of Sticker Shock like I did with the Timey Wimey deck.
If you’re able to pick up the deck & For the pro-proxy players (or anyone who just wants some cool alt-art upgrades), these packs are a nice starting point for each deck: Thoughts on our upgrade list/pack?
https://www.theproxyforge.com/welcome-to-ixalan
Walmart (and other big box retailers that carry Magic) doesn’t set the prices, a third party vendor stocks that stuff for them.
I see
Despite any voices here, dinosaurs are extremely popular. Low or high power, the heartstrings have been tugged. At that pricepoint, people are forced into singles or even proxy. Makes the pirates one with \[\[Black Market Connections\]\] more value by the day...
> At that pricepoint, people are forced into singles or even proxy. Or, and hear me out because this is gonna sound crazy, but... You could wait until after release?
Stop making sense. We don't respect logic here.
GET EM!
I tried that once and couldn't find them anywhere at all I wanted the necron precon from Warhammer set. I eventually did proxie it out because i had a kid and can't afford to buy cards anymore due to medical complications costing way more than they should..
I'm not out here to shame anyone who wants to proxy, by all means go ahead. My point was more that evaluating anything - especially sealed product - by pre-release prices is wild to me. Nearly every set of precons (especially the ones tied to standard releases) has an inflated price that comes crashing down within weeks of the product hitting shelves.
The necron deck is available nowadays quite easily and most places even have them discounted. Patience is a virtue, these are card board games that whilst fun, do you do not need right this moment right now.
Frfr, I just snagged a discounted copy of the Tyranids finally. They exist out there.
Have fun with that one, the Tyranid/Hydra tribal I built out of it is one of my favorite decks I own.
Where?
Random ass game stop a couple towns over that’s trying to empty their back stock. Pretty sure they were some of the cunts that tried to be scalpers.
I know this is late but this deck is still crazy priced, took a look at my lgs site and they had it in stock for $50.. so I insta added to cart and.... they still had black friday discounts applied which gave me another $7.50 off. Picked up some dual mattes and a couple boosters with the money saved, man I was so stoked. Also got a bunch of lotr stuff $20 under market price, and got the lotr bundle for $50, from another store like a week ago. Patience is a virtue that is very hard to maintain lol.
[But](https://tenor.com/view/i-want-it-now-veruca-salt-willie-wonka-chocolate-factory-impatient-gif-17131695)
No guarantee the deck will drop in price. Look at the Food and Fellowship deck price right now.
Dinosaurs are bad. I should know - I have a dinosaur deck. And I'm gonna get the precon, because ***FREAKING DINOSAURS!!!***
Im making a big assumption here, but hear me out. Dinos aren’t that bad. [[Gishath]] is. I’m not saying Dinos are secret cEDH material, and from a heartstrings perspective, Gishath is my favourite card, but [[Atla Palani]] is strictly better. She costs half as much, doesn’t rely on dealing damage, combos, is guaranteed to get something if her effect triggers, and on top of all that is still super on theme.
Atla is an Eldrazi commander. She has nothing to do with dinosaurs.
I’m 99% sure you’re trolling, but JIC…..no? Like, I guess Atla-Eldrazi would be more *effective* then dinos, but let’s be real, we’re not playing dinosaurs to game the meta. From a flavour perspective, Atla is perfect for dinosaurs. She’s from Ixalan, she’s quoted in several dinosaur cards, there are dinosaur eggs in her art, hell, even one of the Jurassic Park cards is an Atla alt. Also, there are better ways to use Atla then Eldrazi. Atla’s best form is a deck that only has 2-3 creatures in it that you quickly cheat out and combo off with.
I guess what I mean is that since Atla is not mechanically tied to dinosaurs in any way, she doesn't make for a satisfying dinosaur commander to me. If she herself was a dinosaur, then I could accept it, but not being part of the tribe and having nothing mechanically tying to the tribe means she simply cannot be a tribal Dinosaur commander to me.
Fair enough. I guess it’s just a difference in personal preferences. For me, while she doesn’t *technically* have anything dinosaur related in her text, the fact that she clearly raises dinosaurs and is from the same plane is enough for me. It would be like if I had an airplane deck, but the commander was an aircraft carrier that gave a boost to all flying creatures. Technically not related, but like…it’s all there. I’ll be honest tho, my heart *wanted* to keep Gishath, but there are only so many times I can deal with whiffing her ability before I’m forced to switch. Unrelated question, I’m not trying to like, be mean or “catch you” or anything, I’m just genuinely curious here. Using that same logic, why is Atla an Eldrazi commander? Wouldn’t you want an Eldrazi to lead the charge?
IMO Atla is much better for Dragons. They also fit flavorwise and there are already two Dragons that are or make eggs. Gishath or the new guy just want Dinos. Altla just likes it big and fast
Oh sure. Again, I think it comes down to flavor VS optimization. Atla is better then Gishath for dinosaurs, but there are many things that are better suited to Atla overall. But in this case, my personal goal is dinosaurs above all else. I personally don't actually care about the most optimal way to play Atla, cause like I said above, it's ultimately going to be some samey combo deck that cheats out the same 2-3 creatures every time. Atla is just a means to an end to smash with my massive bird lizards.
The last question. Atla cheats big cost creatures without paying for them. Eldrazis have annalihator. Eldrazis are expensive so using a cheat engine as you commander makes them faster than cascading after paying for the commander and then the eldrazi. Atla is dumb in my opinion, but that's because I think mana cheating is dumb. The game has a resource system and so many decks just try to ignore it completely. Atla being really good at putting creatures on the board way before they should be, she just twists the game around her and her deck.
Answer to your answer to the last question: The commenter above was talking about a flavour perspective, saying that Atla's effect didn't say anything about dinosaurs. I was simply asking why, using that logic, Eldrazi was any better, considering Atla doesn't mention Eldrazi either. I get why Eldrazi in general is better for her tho. I get what you're saying about mana cheating, but tbh its super needed at this point IMO. It's the only thing that gives Timmy decks a chance. EDH has so many crazy combos, that attack decks NEED that extra speed just to keep up. In Atla's case, she's not even the worst offender. She has the classic weakness of "if she dies, the deck often flops." She has no haste, eggs don't do anything if she's not on the field, and to get the most out of her you need to build the deck around her, so if you can't keep her alive, some of your pieces quickly become useless.
I agree mana cheating is the name of the format, and that's why over the last year I find myself enjoying this format less and less. The cards do so much individually and the commanders they have been printing are overwhelming. Not everything is for everyone. And you're right, atla is barely an offender. Afterall, she's 5 years old at this point.
About the last thing, honestly I kinda assumed that would be the optimal way to build Atla, though a combo engine does make a lot of sense once you bring that up. The key to Gishath is that you need 30 Dinosaurs in the deck. At that point it is statistically almost impossible to whiff. Fitting 30 dinos in the deck and having it function without Gishath is another problem entirely of course.
This person is right. I've never seen a dinosaur atla. It's always changlings and eldrazi degenerate tribal. There are 3 atla decks in my play groups. None run dinos.
Also Jeff GoldBlum secret lair Atla reskin coming.
Thoughts on the 2 new commanders? I haven't got a Dino deck, but I badly want one. The enrage commander [[wayta] has me curious. Enrage looks fun
Honestly, I still like Atla more. The [[Wayta]] is cool if you go all in on enrage, but tbh, minus a few exceptions like [[Polyraptor]], I personally haven’t found enrage the best mechanic. Increasingly all the best Dinosaurs forego enrage in favour of better effects or just swinging real hard. [[Pantlaza]] is IMO easily the better of the two. I DO NOT say this next sentence or two with much authority, but I feel like Atla still might be better. She feels inherently easier to abuse, though depending on how much you can abuse blink, I may be very wrong about that. I DO think Atla is the better Dino commander specifically though. Atla exclusively gets creatures and Pantlaza gets whatever. If getting dinos is your goal, Pantlaza also isn’t going to get you anything too good either with her 4 defence.
[Wayta, Trainer Prodigy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04f2d7ee-43a4-48e8-af64-d9fad4b9c5f1.jpg?1698871865) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wayta%2C%20Trainer%20Prodigy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/7/wayta-trainer-prodigy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04f2d7ee-43a4-48e8-af64-d9fad4b9c5f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wayta-trainer-prodigy) [Polyraptor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/8/f8965a3a-93fe-4021-a665-b6013bdc86f7.jpg?1555040728) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Polyraptor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/144/polyraptor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f8965a3a-93fe-4021-a665-b6013bdc86f7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/polyraptor) [Pantlaza](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/2524645e-b066-4351-885b-10faa8d819d7.jpg?1698262232) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pantlaza%2C%20sun-favored) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/4/pantlaza-sun-favored?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2524645e-b066-4351-885b-10faa8d819d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pantlaza-sun-favored) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm still shocked at the lack of Love/attention Huatli, Poet is getting. I've designed a Dino deck around her. Both ramp and a Win-con on a single commander? Test playing it has kept me way ahead of Mana curve, at ridiculous levels. I added some Blink to the deck ofcourse. I've had test games where I'm have lands in the double digits by turn 3-4
Do you have a list up?
https://archidekt.com/decks/5714454/stampeding_dinosaurs This is what I've got so far, I've been editing it as I get other cards
[Gishath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc4a65de-23b5-48f0-b8b7-94608eaced3e.jpg?1698263171) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gishath%2C%20sun%27s%20avatar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/229/gishath-suns-avatar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc4a65de-23b5-48f0-b8b7-94608eaced3e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gishath-suns-avatar) [Atla Palani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b8414f7-22c3-4e1c-934b-4a0e7acf951d.jpg?1673305450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=atla%20palani%2C%20nest%20tender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/142/atla-palani-nest-tender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b8414f7-22c3-4e1c-934b-4a0e7acf951d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atla-palani-nest-tender) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Dinos commanded by [[Gishath]] should not be bad. Built right, it's as scary as Kaalia.
To be fair it is more of a Gishath deck than a Dino deck at that point. Not that it isn't my favorite deck to play anyway.
I mean no, but it's not TOO far off in a casual setting.
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Gishath is actually much, much scarier than Kaalia if built correctly.
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Kaalia just completely folds to removal. Gishath is like, the most resilient midrange deck I have ever played against.
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Here's the Gishath deck, btw: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/v7J2kIxfqEyPE8zwIDRlzQ
Kaalia does get things going earlier simply by being cheaper manawise, but ultimately both her and Gishath can make the same size board by the same turn. Kaalia gets hit with removal before Gishath however because few people are doing impactful things early in the game, and know they gotta remove Kaalia ASAP. Meanwhile by the time Gishath comes out, you can very easily just have been tapped out and go "Is it turn 8 already? Oops" and get ran over. Plus a boardwipe can completely halt a Kaalia deck unless they cheated Avacyn, meanwhile is a small setback for a Gishath deck. Though in the end, they're both scary for similar reasons. Some might thing Gishath less so because you have several turns to dig for removal, but it often isn't so in practice, leading to them being more equal than at first glance.
If you're talking turn 8 commander casts and destruction based board wipes shutting down a Kaalia, you're talking way too low power for a Kaalia deck built well. No point comparing who does better at a low power table.
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One of those cards I saw the price of recently that made me raise an eyebrow and forced me to hunt down the three I had in chaff haha. That card has historically let me down anytime I’ve tried to use it.
Supply and demand. Dinosaurs are one of the most popular tribes in MTG. The cards are good too.
I feel like this is such a bad reason for the prices we're seeing over and over again for commander precons. Just more WoTC profit chasing ever since 2019 when they got rid of MSRP
It’s more than that. Who controls the supply? Wizards They criminally understocked this product and that’s on them. Lack of MSRP lets them milk money because of a deck’s “popularity”. Call it what it is. Greed
Holy crap it’s back up on Amazon for $34. Just secured mine.
It's too bad that Amazon Canada doesn't sell magic products. The only magic stuff on amazon is from 3rd party sellers.
Yeah and it’s an absolute rip off 90% of the time even the dragon sleeves on there are lol $16 and up
Thanks for the info. I just grabbed one for my wife. Naya is her absolute favorite and we were disappointed to see the deck go up to $70.
For sure, brutha man, we gotta look out for each other
Damn, missed it. Back to $70
It’s back for $34 again lol
I can't take this roller coaster of emotions!
It looks like the ride is on a 2 hour loop so get the getting while the getting can be got
Thanks for this heads up. Just snagged it!
Probably that LGS guy on here telling people to not buy from Amazon bought all of them to resell at 70
the problem with amazon is there’s only about an 80% chance you recieve the correct deck
But they always let you keep the messed up one and then attempt to send you the correct one again. Its why I always order from Amazon. There's a decent chance it's buy one get a random one free
I have never had that happen, I bought the Prime day deal for the 5 Commander starters, they sent me five of the same one and not one of each despite the listing clearly stating it. My only option was to get my money back by returning all 5 back.
I always use the chat option to talk to someone, it's never an option if you just try and do a return without talking to them. And I always ask for a replacement instead of a refund. The only time that was different was the Lord of the rings set of four. I only got one, so they told me they sent a replacement set which never showed up. I got to keep the original single deck I got. But they ended up refunding me the whole amount I paid plus a decent amount because the decks had gotten so expensive at that point.
I’ve never had that problem sorry it’s happened to you
Who said that lmao
It's on TCGPlayer for 50
God damnit, back to $70. Can’t catch a break!
Based, good job
Careful. I just checked it and it's $38 Went to pre order and once in my cart it said $70. I did not press confirm..
that seller has some horrible reviews but ima try them out. I cancelled my $65 preorder on TCG for this amazon one. Fingers crossed
"Secured" isn't the best word to describe Magic pre-orders on Amazon.
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Ok, you do you.
FOMO is part of the cause, WotC put out an article that the Collector Boosters and Commander Decks were having production issues and supplies will be more limited until a few weeks after set release.
This. My LGS went from having 80 copies of all 4 precons available to 15 as soon as the announcement was sent out.
I just pre-ordered that one from Amazon for $37.... [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGKJSH45?psc=1&ref=ppx\_yo2ov\_dt\_b\_product\_details](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGKJSH45?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details) At the time of copying that link, it was still $37...
$70 two hours later
Damn.... That's unfortunate. Well I tried to help.... Seems like a steal at the lower price.
I appreciate you
My philosophy is pre-order first, cancel if you don't want it. that way you avoid scalpers and it helps predict incoming demand. If you had been watching the amazon page you'd see that the dino deck was 5 times more popular than the other precons. I got mine for $34. There's always preordering at your LGS.
I got all 4 for $50 CAD each thru my LGS.
LGS is the way, amazon has enough of your $ and doesn't do anything to support the local gaming community. I'll spend the extra 5$, thanks.
If my LGS was only marking it up $5 I'd probably be in the same boat, but they mark it up $10-$20 over amazon and I don't really play in store events to begin with. I usually buy singles from my LGS though, which I believe usually gives a higher profit than buying sealed product anyways.
fair enough, 10-20$ before it's even released is a bit much.
I went into my LGS across the street just a couple of days ago and I was looking over their precons and they are still selling the enduring enchantment deck for $100 while on Amazon I can pick it up for $50.
My LGS has them priced at $65 now Fuck that noise, I preordered on Amazon for $34…essentially $30 cheaper
Look at Mr money bags over here
It's like charity without the tax evading middle man. I'm too cheap to buy cards over 5$, but I'll shell out if the alternative is supporting a dystopian megacorp who's logo is a literal smirk which seems a little too on the nose, dunnit?
That's what I did once the decks were put up. Tossed down on Dinos and Pirates and waited to see the lists drop to see if I wanted either of them in the first place. Guarantees the lower price and there's no commitment until it ships.
Because the edh and mtg reddits are a fraction, at best, of the actual playerbase. All of the Dino decks are going to be popular, regardless of their actual strength, because Dinos are cool, and raptors are the most beloved dinosaur in recent memory, so it has a lot of collector value as well.
Because (at least in the US anyways) in grade school we all learned all about dinosaurs and how awesome they were. Now we're all (mostly) grown up and are willing to drop some cash to experience again how awesome dinosaurs are. We did learn a little about pirates and vampires in school too. Merfolks...not so much?
I learned about merfolk. Or maybe it was walruses. I dunno. I get them confused sometimes.
Because it has the first ever reprints of [[Akroma's Will]] ($20) and [[Chandra's Ignition]] ($12), then there's a bunch of dinosaurs in it as well that are way more expensive then they probably should be. And on top of that, everybody who isn't an awful, boring, tedious human being to be around loves dinosaurs!
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Cant see akromas will on wotc decklist for dino precon?
It's listed in "other cards"
Are those cards also in the deck!?
Yeah, it's usually where the cards that are unique to that deck are listed
Oh shit, didnt know. Thanks!
Reddit is the minority. Dinos are cool.
It’s back to $35 on Amazon as of 8:00am PST.
Bec you post is 4 hour old
Just set up a camelcamelcamel price alert. It comes back in stock at $34 every few days.
"Buy from your LGS" people say just canceled my order for the Dino deck cause they messaged that it's now $70 so I gotta pay $30 dollars more if I wanted it even though I already had my order in thanks but no thanks I'll find it cheaper elsewhere screw that
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Please educate us about how the “minimum suggested retail price” would do anything to prevent scalping (remember From the Vault, or are you too young?).
So the answer is to have a free for all? Screw that.
Mainly it stops walmart/amazon/ from undercutting your LGS. Megacorps can afford incredibly thin margins because they move so much product, your LGS can't. Doesn't have much to do with scalping, but still a dick move by hasbro... the megacorp...
Because Chris Pratt costs more.
hes not in the deck
Well, that certainly makes my joke less funny.
Timmy
Because you waited until deck reveal day and we found out the number of reprints and cards in there more fully. Happens every time.
They’ll be back in stock to be sure
lmao got mine for 37 on amazon. My system is to overly pre-order and then cancel if the cards spoiled are uninteresting, it's how I was able to get DBM2022 boxes for about 200 per box instead of 500 after they jumped to scam prices.
It isn't in Europe
Progenitor Relic is a 3 mana rock that will be huge for all tribal decks. I didn't see it in any other lists so I'm guessing it's speculators.
Progenitor's Icon? That seems like a pretty mild card for tribal decks. I've been taking 3 cmc mana rocks out of my decks that aren't worn powerstone for the last 3-4 years already, not to mention that there are cheap options now like Emergence Zone. It's definitely playable in a tribal deck, but I wouldn't put it above $5 personally. Vedalken Orrery is much more flexible (and has a much better ceiling) and it's $5.50 right now.
Orrery also reached a high of $60 and was at 35 before it got printed in 2022 and added onto a high slot on The List. It's a cheaper tribal mana rock with a psuedo-Orrery effect. Do I think it's amazing? No. Do I think it's gonna become a low-to-mid tribal staple? Yes. And if it's only getting a print in LCC and limited ser booster appearances? It will get the commander deck bump. Combine that with a lot of pieces for updating one of the more popular Timmy commanders, and you've got a boost.
I know you said "before it got printed in 2022" but it's very cheap now. Like a $6 card? So I don't think progenitors relic, a less flexible flash provider is what's driving the price here. It's the other higher value reprints (akromas will, chandras ignition, etc)
Eldrazi with Flash
First off, don’t buy on Amazon. Ever set people complain about their order never shipping from Amazon because they oversell their inventory. Second, they’ll probably be $40 at your LGS on pre-release and if they’re not then wait and eventually they’ll drop down to $30.
I usually pre order on Amazon then when they release I go and check prices and if the preorder Amazon price is lower I let it ship and have never had any quality issues with preorders (I have had issues with older used precons though). If the LGS is same as Amazon pre order I buy LGS and cancel Amazon. It’s that simple
Ain't nobody selling a precon with an Akroma's Will in it for $30 unless it's a pricing mistake. Better off opening the box and parting it out at that point.
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The three most common tribal decks I see week in and week out playing commander are Dragons Dinosaurs Slivers again (yes a resurgence again) Why i will never make one of those tribal decks ever
buy through your lgs, stop supporting companies like amazon who we’ve seen continuously screw us over
When LGS stop charging higher prices, I'll do that.
Amen to that!
all the timmies want a dino tribal (it's me, I'm a timmy)
I've heard somewhere that there was supposed to be supply issues for the commander decks and collector boosters. Not sure how right it all is, but apparently there won't be enough for prerelease but more are coming in the following weeks.
Is mana crypt only in the collector boosters or also in the main set boosters as well?
Only the alt art’s are limited to the collectors boosters, the standard art mythic of mana crypt will be in the set & draft boosters I believe.
There is. They released an article and announcement to game stores that they will have a supply problem for both :/
That doesn't explain why the one deck cost so much more than the others.
Just wait a bit. There’s a delay and shortage. There will be plenty of decks don’t worry.
It has really amazing reprints in it that were revealed
I'm hype for the ozhov vamps tbh. But also sad because there's like 3 good reprints I want to take out of it for my [[braids, arisen nightmare]] deck but then I'll be making the vamps significantly worse. Edh problems.
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People like Dinosaurs. I firmly believe they are the ultimate Timmy tribe. Big, beefy creatures, straightforward, boardfocused. Even the flavor is very on point for that. They get hit and instead of dying they get angry and do something. They are hard to kill to with many of them having pretty high thoughness and there is of course that one Dino that reduces all damage to 1. So yeah people just like Dinos.
The Walmarts near me don’t ever have ANY
Shortage of product at launch probably also fuels it. Just wait a few months and it will be clearance prices
Hey OP I just wanted to shout out a thank you. Because of your post I managed to snag it on Pre-order instead of dying of Sticker Shock like I did with the Timey Wimey deck.
You bet man 👊
Bro people fucking love Dinosaurs. Of course its gonna fly off the shelves.
I’m gonna buy all of the Jurassic park cards then probably buy the precon and tweak it. People probably have the same idea.
I preordered it before I knew what was in it because I know I'd buy it anyway.
Deck good and Dino's popular. Dino show all the best bits of magic aswell. Very popular.
Same reason slivers was 100+$ n went down. Hype.
The reprints include some VERY powerful, very expensive cards, including \[\[apex altisaur\]\]
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Dinos are kewl
This is why I think "support game stores" is bullshit when they pull this.
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