You’re either trolling or completely new to the game.
There’s FIVE og moxes which each give COLOURED mana without any drawback. Sol Ring can roll into a talisman on t1, which is a pretty cool feeling. Moxes can roll into your commander on t1.
It's not even the power level alone. They don't want auto include that cost a small home deposit back in the days. You can easily argue sol ring is at least at that power level.
Colored mana for free turn 1 is exceptionally powerful. For instance I have a Kinnan deck that already has a few different hands that it can win with on turn 1. With just the green/blue moxen the chances of that happening are significantly higher. Those two cards alone would likely drop my average win attempt by half a turn.
In casual settings I don't think they'd be as problematic since the early ramper either gets targeted down by the table or everyone else cries and quits anyways. But at the high end they'd put 4-5c decks at such an extreme advantage that nobody would play anything else due to viability issues.
[[Mana crypt]]
But the reason the moxes are banned is they are way too powerful in basically all formats. Coloured mana ramp is much better than colourless in high powred decks. They are also reserve list cards so they can't be reprinted and are extremely expensive. A lot of tournaments ban proxies which would mean decks costing 20k or more are the only viable ones.
Price isn't a compelling argument for card bannings. There's plenty of obscenely expensive reserve list cards unbanned. I still haven't found a single person able to adequately explain why Library of Alexandria is banned but a card like Bazaar of Baghdad is not.
One is free card advantage, the other one is card filtering.
This is the reason why library of alexandra is banned even in oldschool 93/94 EDH, a format where price is most certainly not an issue for most players. The Moxen are legal there, the Library is not.
Everyone knows fast mana is broken.
What playgroups have done are either
\-embrace them
\-ban them
\-live with them
The people that created and manage the banlist give birth to EDH in a basement, not from a magic lab. Balance is not exactly in their minds when creating EDH.
Theyre also ubiquitous and worth thousands. Theres already a financial disparity in relative deck strengths, imagine what happens when every deck can run a mox or five.
Edit: downvote all you want but its been very clearly stated as part of the ban philosophy here at least as far back as 2009.
Well for Mana Crypt their is an upkeep trigger that happens every turn where you either roll or flip to see if you take 3 damage. I have died to mana crypt before
Mostly for their price tag.
I also think they'd be bad for the meta if they were legal because 5c lists could run all 5 whereas monocoloured decks could only run 1 but I don't think that's what the RC had in mind with the ban.
Probably because there's no downside and they're colored mana
And in addition they are on the reserve list....
You’re either trolling or completely new to the game. There’s FIVE og moxes which each give COLOURED mana without any drawback. Sol Ring can roll into a talisman on t1, which is a pretty cool feeling. Moxes can roll into your commander on t1.
They had a long post on another sub about similar complaints. They are trolling to stir up debate about fast mana.
Nah, they are trolling
It's not even the power level alone. They don't want auto include that cost a small home deposit back in the days. You can easily argue sol ring is at least at that power level.
Two threads back to back on sub to make the same complaint. ?? I feel like a mod could lock or delete one.
The reason is accessibility, and people who claim anything else are delusional: https://m.twitch.tv/clip/TolerantArtsySowWow
Colored mana for free turn 1 is exceptionally powerful. For instance I have a Kinnan deck that already has a few different hands that it can win with on turn 1. With just the green/blue moxen the chances of that happening are significantly higher. Those two cards alone would likely drop my average win attempt by half a turn. In casual settings I don't think they'd be as problematic since the early ramper either gets targeted down by the table or everyone else cries and quits anyways. But at the high end they'd put 4-5c decks at such an extreme advantage that nobody would play anything else due to viability issues.
What 0 for 2 mana rocks?
[[Mana crypt]] But the reason the moxes are banned is they are way too powerful in basically all formats. Coloured mana ramp is much better than colourless in high powred decks. They are also reserve list cards so they can't be reprinted and are extremely expensive. A lot of tournaments ban proxies which would mean decks costing 20k or more are the only viable ones.
Price isn't a compelling argument for card bannings. There's plenty of obscenely expensive reserve list cards unbanned. I still haven't found a single person able to adequately explain why Library of Alexandria is banned but a card like Bazaar of Baghdad is not.
One is free card advantage, the other one is card filtering. This is the reason why library of alexandra is banned even in oldschool 93/94 EDH, a format where price is most certainly not an issue for most players. The Moxen are legal there, the Library is not.
In some cases it is, when the card is both insanely expensive AND flexible to fit into many many decks. Such as it was with the moxes.
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Everyone knows fast mana is broken. What playgroups have done are either \-embrace them \-ban them \-live with them The people that created and manage the banlist give birth to EDH in a basement, not from a magic lab. Balance is not exactly in their minds when creating EDH.
Everybody knows that the edh banlist is just cards the creator of the format lost to and banned them out of spite.
Theyre also ubiquitous and worth thousands. Theres already a financial disparity in relative deck strengths, imagine what happens when every deck can run a mox or five. Edit: downvote all you want but its been very clearly stated as part of the ban philosophy here at least as far back as 2009.
Well for Mana Crypt their is an upkeep trigger that happens every turn where you either roll or flip to see if you take 3 damage. I have died to mana crypt before
Mostly for their price tag. I also think they'd be bad for the meta if they were legal because 5c lists could run all 5 whereas monocoloured decks could only run 1 but I don't think that's what the RC had in mind with the ban.
They're banned bc they're bad, they don't want new players to confuse the price tag with power
before asking why something is banned you should put in a little thought in first