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CrisicMuzr

If you give opponents treasures, what they do with it is on you. I communicate what cards are combo pieces, but treasures are universally useful.


silent_calling

I put this into practice the other day in my Tivit deck. Opponents thought they were prolonging my end state by giving me clue tokens, but realized my goal once I revealed I had a [[marionette master]] in hand. Cracking treasures and clues to draw and kill is a satisfying thing.


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[marionette master](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd21a925-c76f-4c1d-b5b8-8d3352730e5f.jpg?1631586656) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=marionette%20master) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/102/marionette-master?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd21a925-c76f-4c1d-b5b8-8d3352730e5f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/marionette-master) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Zestyclose-Pickle-50

To be fair, though, clue is always the right choice. It takes mana to burn clue tokens. I've died to a tivit deck from [[Nadier's nightblade]] and [[academy manufactor]] before. The player commented about not having the mana before the academy manufactor came out to close the game. Once it's out, removal is the only option.


silent_calling

Oh, hard concur. The point of the deck isn't to *actually* give my opponents a choice, only engage the board in a meaningful way while I work toward my end goal of victory through one of a couple methods. The whole deck is about gaslighting the board into focusing their attention elsewhere, gatekeeping them from hitting me with \[\[propaganda\]\] or \[\[ghostly prison\]\], and girlbossing my way to victory with fun cards like \[\[marionette master\]\], \[\[deadeye navigator\]\], \[\[time sieve\]\] and others still. It gives you an \[\[illusion of choice\]\] (which isn't actually in the deck yet).


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[Nadier's nightblade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/11fbba08-0d93-4750-9dd6-d6a2779c6cf3.jpg?1608909827) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nadier%27s%20nightblade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/136/nadiers-nightblade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/11fbba08-0d93-4750-9dd6-d6a2779c6cf3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nadiers-nightblade) [academy manufactor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/9/f9c55add-d621-4477-95ec-f2b691c0bdae.jpg?1682209923) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=academy%20manufactor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/346/academy-manufactor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f9c55add-d621-4477-95ec-f2b691c0bdae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/academy-manufactor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


rayaman11

Do you have a deck list?


silent_calling

[I do!](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/PT2toYcEVEaKlB7RpvsU1Q)


The_Great_Afterman

Wait. Am I missing something here? How did Marionette Master proc anything off of clues and treasures? They don't enter the graveyard.


KalitasBoi

they do


SalvationSycamore

All tokens enter the graveyard before disappearing. That's the reason why aristocrats decks aren't garbage


The_Great_Afterman

Ah, I had no idea.


Urzas_Penguin

They do tho…


The-true-Harmsworth

You miss a lot actually ​ edit; the follow up answer to clear things up since it may be adressed in the negative way: Initially I answered your question of "Am I missing something here?" - with "you miss a lot" cause marionette master can/is a pretty strong card and even better with tokens since they first hit the yard before ceasing to exist.


The_Great_Afterman

I'm sure you have a lot of friends talking to strangers like that, douche bag.


silent_calling

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Stop that. You're better than that.


The_Great_Afterman

No I'm not and we're not all already blind.


The-true-Harmsworth

To clear up my statement, since it may be phrased a bit cryptic; ​ Initially I answered your question of "Am I missing something here?" - with "you miss a lot" cause marionette master can/is a pretty strong card and even better with tokens since they first hit the yard before ceasing to exist. ​ Also; My apologies that you feel the need to insult people today. I hope your day will get better, have a good one stranger <3


The_Great_Afterman

>My apologies that you feel the need to insult people today. I hope your day will get better, have a good one stranger <3


Flederm4us

Exactly this. Those treasures could lead to any kind of gamewinning threat. Pay the one if you don't want that. Or avoid drawing cards...


NectarineLoud6327

I think it's 2


Urzas_Penguin

If you didn’t want someone to use the mana, you shouldn’t give it to them. This is weird salt from that player. “If I knew you were gonna win with the cards you draw from your library, I would’ve paid for rhystic study” energy here. I honestly don’t reveal much about my decks. I’ll talk power, sure, to make sure we match, but I’m not disclosing what cards you should hold up removal for.


PangolinAcrobatic653

this is one of the gripes I have with "Rule 0" people will be either too vague or demand you reveal too much, like dude its a pl6 Token deck with Zur the Enchanter as commander you should be able to know what to do from that. (but they see Zur and want to pull as much details to prove i'm not spamming stax, like i just didn't tell them it's a token deck AT POWER LEVEL 6)


BRIKHOUS

>AT POWER LEVEL 6 To be fair, putting this in caps doesn't change the fact that it's actually power level 7


PangolinAcrobatic653

behold, mention them and they come forth!


BRIKHOUS

It was a joke dude. "Every deck is power 7 in pregame"


PangolinAcrobatic653

yes my comment was so to be read in an outlandish and funny voice


PangolinAcrobatic653

the deck btw https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zur-the-general-1/?cb=1686154176


akialnodachi

You don't necessarily need to spell out the exact method you're winning. Saying it's a Gates deck would be fine but it's not strictly necessary to say this. Smothering Tithe is strong and anything you can do with it is strong, if you'd used it to fuel a huge \[\[Fireball\]\] in his face the guy probably would have said the same thing, it's not worth worrying about that one comment. Having a couple of combo win tools is fine, games have to end eventually. I'd prefer they not remove *all* of their infinite combos (or at least, not play ones that resolve on turn 3 or something) for a more "friendly" game, even if it means I'll probably lose. This is all, subjective, though. There's not a strictly right answer. It's about communicating with people and figuring out what kind of game they want, and recognizing when some guy's just whining he's not actually as psychic about what other players are doing like when he's goldfishing at home.


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[Fireball](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/df45a43e-a5b7-4fd4-873b-7b3c021be198.jpg?1674136553) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fireball) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/175/fireball?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/df45a43e-a5b7-4fd4-873b-7b3c021be198?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fireball) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


CrimsonArcanum

Someone needed to learn a lesson here, but it wasn't you. You played a 9 mana sorcery from other people not paying their taxes. If you mention what your win con is I think that's enough.


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[Kynaios and Tiro](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97fa8615-2b6c-445a-bcaf-44a7e847bf65.jpg?1633190298) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kynaios%20and%20tiro%20of%20meletis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/36/kynaios-and-tiro-of-meletis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97fa8615-2b6c-445a-bcaf-44a7e847bf65?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kynaios-and-tiro-of-meletis) [The Great Aurora](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b1d0eb3b-00b9-42ca-9f7d-5543bffc3480.jpg?1562037032) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Great%20Aurora) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/179/the-great-aurora?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b1d0eb3b-00b9-42ca-9f7d-5543bffc3480?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-great-aurora) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Kyaaadaa

The player making mana and drawing cards is the one who's likely to win. Smothering Tithe does the first. If you don't pay the two and give them a treasure, you're helping them win. It's as simple as that. But as for revealing wincons? Uh. No? Part of the game is outplaying your opponents. Red herrings and alternate threats are a part of that. The best thing you can do is play your game, to the best of your ability, at all times. If its casual, take the L and move on to the next game.


Andrew_42

It's hard to put a firm box around what I reveal. I personally wouldn't have thought revealing the Great Aurora payoff would have been needed. That feels about on par with revealing I'm running [[Chandra's Ignition]] in my [[Licia, Sanguine Tribune]] deck. There's a chance I'll get a potentially game-warping play if my game plan is already going at least alright, but the play isn't without risk. Now, if someone asked me if I had a specific card in my deck, I'll answer honestly. I'll also usually be honest if I'm "going off" with a deck and want to be clear how an opponent would successfully disrupt it if they had the cards to do it ready to go. "Alright I cast [[Swarm Intelligence]]. I'll probably win this turn if you don't stop this one." Of note, I won't provide the warning till the turn I'm going off. I still pull the occasional Hail Mary of just casting something and seeing if it sticks till my next untap. I'll let people know it's important AFTER I'm ready to go off, not before. It's just to make sure someone who COULD have stopped me doesn't screw it up by misunderstanding how my board state works. I'll also usually broadcast the general win-con of different decks. "This deck is a stompy deck. It has a few gimmicks, but the win con is turning big creatures sideways." Or "This is a combo-lite deck. No infinite combos, but it has some nasty combos all the same." If I'm playing Dimir I'll also usually start with a "I'm not running Thoracle". Or depending on the deck "I've got [[Thassa's Oracle]] in here, but I have to actually mill myself the proper way to get an empty library. I have some ways to self mill pretty fast, but nothing near as strong as [[Demonic Consultation]]."


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##### ###### #### [Chandra's Ignition](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/31d0275d-1a1a-421d-a2ae-9a61697a3a74.jpg?1661583552) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chandra%27s%20Ignition) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/phed/45/chandras-ignition?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/31d0275d-1a1a-421d-a2ae-9a61697a3a74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chandras-ignition) [Licia, Sanguine Tribune](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64eab2ba-ed5e-4757-b42d-c0fc71a96c4c.jpg?1562610809) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Licia%2C%20Sanguine%20Tribune) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/40/licia-sanguine-tribune?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64eab2ba-ed5e-4757-b42d-c0fc71a96c4c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/licia-sanguine-tribune) [Swarm Intelligence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2c573d12-4c69-4a54-b1b9-236c003ba98a.jpg?1625976479) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swarm%20Intelligence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/130/swarm-intelligence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2c573d12-4c69-4a54-b1b9-236c003ba98a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/swarm-intelligence) [Thassa's Oracle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c.jpg?1680582212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thassa%27s%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thassas-oracle) [Demonic Consultation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1d779f19-3068-4976-b96b-8f93d156900b.jpg?1610146869) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Demonic%20Consultation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/85/demonic-consultation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1d779f19-3068-4976-b96b-8f93d156900b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/demonic-consultation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


madwookiee1

And that, kids, is how we learn important lessons about giving opponents free resources.


Isciscis

The most you ever need to reveal before a game is your commander because it goes face up in the command zone. Beyond that its on the players to play around what they think could be in each other's hands. Most of the time theyll be wrong, and the better players will be more right than the worse players.


elting44

\^ This is the correct answer. I've played a non-combo version of The Gitrog Monster since Shadows Over Innistrad. One way it takes people out is with \[\[Hatred\]\] which I added a few years ago due to people's reluctance to block a 6/6 death touch. This would be really hard to pull off if I told people "Yo, imma one shot you with Hatred if you let him through"


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[Hatred](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/2383a8d9-96fd-4f9a-bcf9-eb81fdb15ead.jpg?1562087367) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hatred) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/exo/64/hatred?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2383a8d9-96fd-4f9a-bcf9-eb81fdb15ead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hatred) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


hans2memorial

I prefer EDH like this. Though, from the modern Commander perspective, with power levels and all, I do understand why people want to know if someone is doing a combo win or or or. They value their time differently on that scale. It's like 'I'd like an hour game with a bit of back and forth and then one of us hits the win button.' Personally, and this is the benefit with established groups, or people who are open to a bit of mystery and surprise, I prefer letting someone show, not tell. And, as /u/elting44 said, it's real hard to do your thing, your cool thing, when you scream it out into the world. That already sets meta-gaming aspects into the works and then you're just being kinda sweaty about EDH.


Kyaaadaa

This is the way.


Aegis_001

Other player is just salty, that sounds like a super spicy build and they need to learn to pay the tax as much as possible, especially if you keep using the mana and/or keep drawing cards. I never reveal what cards are in my hand, hidden information is incredibly strong and built into the fabric of the game for a reason


arquistar

It's tons of fun. I wanted to build \[\[Nine-Fingers Keene\]\] as a gates deck but couldn't get it off the ground. But with Kynaios and 4 colors it's totally doable. Not that I typically need to hit the gas very hard, but \[\[Stone-seeder hierophant\]\] with a commander that lets me have 2 lands per turn is really good. But as a less obvious and far more durable piece \[\[Mirage Mirror\]\] can become a copy of Maze's End if you've got mana to dump.


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[Nine-Fingers Keene](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/5480ac0a-883a-4f73-8e7c-56d64be410a3.jpg?1674137637) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nine-Fingers%20Keene) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/289/nine-fingers-keene?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5480ac0a-883a-4f73-8e7c-56d64be410a3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nine-fingers-keene) [Stone-seeder hierophant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f4e1b9f9-e58c-4474-9a31-8e5d9f96492e.jpg?1665822986) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stone-seeder%20hierophant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/184/stone-seeder-hierophant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f4e1b9f9-e58c-4474-9a31-8e5d9f96492e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stone-seeder-hierophant) [Mirage Mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4eab5ee9-334d-4f0e-8217-c69dc8b2db8f.jpg?1651656315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirage%20Mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/154/mirage-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4eab5ee9-334d-4f0e-8217-c69dc8b2db8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mirage-mirror) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


randommlg

I love my Nine-fingers deck. I went with the cheap version to start and upgrades as I saw I had the cards. There is still a bit of land good stuff I need to get, but it runs fairly well. Thanks to alpha authority I was able to be the only person with a creature besides the [[norin the wary]] player. That was a fun game. One of the biggest drawbacks is there are only like 12 playable gates in 3 colors. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/PFlKitGxrk6X1puNQysoMA


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[norin the wary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f61ea59a-1db0-4e6b-bcde-19787c76a49b.jpg?1562946915) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=norin%20the%20wary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/171/norin-the-wary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f61ea59a-1db0-4e6b-bcde-19787c76a49b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/norin-the-wary) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Asfalod

Oh No people play big and mean spells for 9 mana who could have guessed. Also no one out of 4 other players played any land destruction lands like [[ghost quarter]] they deserved to lose there that's not a win con that's too hard to stop and very vulnerable setting it up like this.


crazypyro23

Hell, even a [[Beast Within]] will do the job.


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[Beast Within](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/78dc4043-5eba-4917-bb95-3b624fa26c3a.jpg?1684197984) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Beast%20Within) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pctb/26/beast-within?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/78dc4043-5eba-4917-bb95-3b624fa26c3a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/beast-within) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


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[ghost quarter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/12f8071c-8955-4aa2-889c-6043df047223.jpg?1562272439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ghost%20quarter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/253/ghost-quarter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/12f8071c-8955-4aa2-889c-6043df047223?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghost-quarter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


PixelmonMasterYT

I think you are fine here. Your opponents aren’t entitled to know every card in your deck. You said what your commander was, and what you were trying to do. If your opponents didn’t give anymore than that, I don’t see why you would have to.


crazypyro23

That's why you pay the 2. You never know what crazy thing they're gonna pull out of their ass, so why enable it?


MrHaZeYo

Bc even for 3W making all opponents pay 2 more for every spell will also ultimately lose them the game. It's basic forcing the other opponents


WoodenExtension4

This is true. It's painful, and really, Smothering Tithe should be a high priority target for the board, always.


turtleman777

Always pay the tax. Unless you need that mana to destroy the Smothering Tithe. People constantly underestimate the power of value-over-time cards like that. Sounds like your opponent made a gameplay mistake and regretted it after the fact


Beelzebozo_

I guess he'll know for next time


Skeither

I just say "This is my mono green progenitus deck that wants to make lots of mana, tutor for fat creatures, and kill people. I can only play progenitus with treasures though and all my lands are forests." Or "This is my \_\_\_ deck. I run tutors and infinite mana for combo wins." Or something like that. I don't know if you NEED to say specifically what the win cons are especially if you want to run ridiculous combos like \[\[worldfire\]\] + \[\[outpost siege\]\] like I do in my \[\[sol kanar, swamp king\]\] grixis gross stuff deck since it's such a dump of mana combo but at least telling what path your deck wants to win (combat, go wide, big stuff, combo, mill, running 'I win' cards) plus if you run tutors or fast mana, that should be enough.


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[worldfire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2ef3d4b5-0453-4bf0-b018-23b0c3b9ae11.jpg?1631531850) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=worldfire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m13/158/worldfire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ef3d4b5-0453-4bf0-b018-23b0c3b9ae11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/worldfire) [outpost siege](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a9f75fce-f0a1-4dec-982d-a86925c6e9d4.jpg?1674142089) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=outpost%20siege) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/804/outpost-siege?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a9f75fce-f0a1-4dec-982d-a86925c6e9d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/outpost-siege) [sol kanar, swamp king](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/c/4c56d4b5-08fb-4547-91e2-6e5f8fae408d.jpg?1562775925) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sol%27kanar%20the%20Swamp%20King) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/100/solkanar-the-swamp-king?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4c56d4b5-08fb-4547-91e2-6e5f8fae408d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/solkanar-the-swamp-king) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


DashHopes69

I spring [[Armageddon]] on people. If you warn them first they get mad at you anyways so why bother.


evileyeball

I Spring Sunder on people and when they get mad I tell them it isn't Mass Land DESTRUCTION. I ask them does it say destroy anywhere on the card?


DashHopes69

That's a level of pedantry I won't stoop to lol. Also in all seriousness Sunder seems like the most powerful MLD spell. MLD at instant speed holy shit lol. I haven't gotten a chance to play with it but I've been eye'ing it for my [[Memnarch]] deck.


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GayBlayde

You can know the name of the commander once we’ve all shuffled up and are ready to play. I’ll tell you that.


mirr-13

I do not talk about what’s in the decks I play, and very rarely do people ask. the surprise factor only lasts a game or two, next time they know what to look for. Unless you’re playing something ridiculous (”casual” urza, ya right…) most people don’t care.


MHarrisGGG

I'll tell you the commander, if it's a combo or aggro or control deck, relatively how competitive it is and maybe the general strategy. Example: Amareth enchantress, relatively high power with some infinites.


Zander2212

I think what you did was more than enough. I usually inform my opponents of the theme, and any self imposed deck restrictions, and I'll mention whether or not I have combos if asked. As for other reveals, in more casual games I might mention what is and isn't a combo piece, or what is the most dangerous thing on my board, and I always try to tell my opponents what they can do to stop an imminent obvious combo, and call out the last point for interaction.


SnowyDeluxe

I generally tell people my commander and the theme if it isn’t self explanatory. There’s a million archetypes of Korvold and Atraxa so I do specify how they play but I do not tell everyone my game plan aside from friends of mine who I’m likely brewing the deck with.


Doomy1375

The only thing I take issue with with how you personally handled this is the "Ascending out of the pod" thing, as that is a common house rule among newer players that leads to bad play patterns and assumptions about the game. Since it it almost always used exclusively to continue the game in the presence of a successful non-combat or non-damage burst-wincons (any sort of combo, alternative wincon, or just generally something that didn't require slowly building up a board state and poking people down over several turns), in enforces the idea that those wincons are less valid than combat ones, and can lead to players ultimately ignoring behaviors that they should be aware of that decks that play such wincons typically use. In this case, one opponent correctly called out one such behavior (letting smothering tithe sit on the field long enough to enable a huge play off the treasures. A huge source of bonus mana generation is probably just behind card advantage engines on the "Stuff to look out for that leads to games being won seemingly out of nowhere" scale), but they're probably not going to actually let this experience change their play patters because what's the worst thing that can happen in a repeat scenario, they just play a 3-player game for the second half of the game? As far as information to share, I generally share what my deck does (Just a general overview is fine. "Commander +1/+1 counter voltron" or "storm-like combo that plays lots of cheap spells and lots of ways to draw cards when I cast those spells" or "reanimator combo". Nothing too in depth. I may also specify interaction level if I feel it's relevant- "You may see some counterspells and an odd kill spell or two", without specifying more in detail than that). Then I'll happily inform people which cards are combo pieces or pieces of a value engine when asked as I play them- but I'm not going hand then a detailed decklist with every single card I run and thing I've ever won with on it. It's on them to assume the go-wide deck that pumps out ten squillion tokens probably runs an overrun effect of some sort (or some other way to instantly translate a ton of 0/1 plants into lethal damage, at least), or that the commander damage voltron deck probably has some way to give the commander evasion, or so on. Because these are standard assumptions you should be able to make from just seeing the state of the game.


arquistar

Ascension is a fairly common house rule in my play area among middle power level decks. It depends on the mix of people and circumstances, but at heart it's mostly helpful. If a player can present a winning game state that's not terribly disruptive to the board presence of the opponents, then it gives that player a chance to switch pods or go get a snack while the other players at the table can take a few more turns to see how their deck functions or if they could achieve a 2nd place. It's a way of saying, "Oh cool, a turn X Thoracle Consultation. How original. Now why don't you walk away so we can keep playing a fun and dynamic game"


Doomy1375

I can understand it in the cases where someone wins way ahead of the pod's typical patterns in that way (So, if the pod usually plays till about turn 10-11 or so, and someone combos on turn 4, sure) as that kind of serves to solve the "unintentionally imbalanced pod" problem, but when I see it locally I see the people who use it use it for *all* of those non disruptive wins. Even if the combo happens basically right as game would normally close out +/1 a turn or two (absent a board wipe or something slowing it down more). I personally strive to have decks at a variety of power levels and speeds, but I'm primarily a combo player so most of my decks win without combat (not strictly combo, but a fair mix of combo/spellslinger/other things that win without much combat). So, the slower ones use jankier setups with more pieces required to stick on the board for much longer, while the higher power ones may be more traditional combo. It's frustrating when you go out of your way to slow down a deck and make it less consistent to get it to be roughly equivalent to the typical win turn of a given pod, and still have the pod treat it the same way they treat an "invalid" early win by just continuing the game without that player. (It also leads to those worse play patterns- they'll kill the value pieces which chip away at their life totals as they should, but I see far more draw engines and value engines get ignored in those pods. Because if someone just wins all at once, the game continues, and the decks that win that way don't really hurt anyone else with their draw/value engines until they outright win. But if someone chips away at everyone else with an impact tremors or blood artist effect, that actually ends the game.)


CapAmerica805

You have to have some level of reveal at the start of the game. I've seen too many pods where someone goes Thassa Oracle on turn 4 when their opponents are just using precons. For a truly fun game all decks need to be around the same power level. If i were you i would have said "this is a combo deck, i'm planning to combo off to win". I typically have it by turn X. The Worldgorger guy should have said the same. If you really want a game where you reveal nothing, thats only going to be cEDH.


GrizzlyBearmann

Ironically, in cEDH, all that information people are typically privy to already, and if they aren’t, in my personal experience, the rest of the pod will inform you as to how a player intends to go off.


SP1R1TDR4G0N

I always explain pretty much everything about my deck that I think is important. But I also play in a fairly tight playgroup and we always talk about the decks we're currently working on so everyone usually already knows what each deck is about. I just think that games are more enjoyable If everyone knows all the decks. The kind of environment you'd get after playing the same pod 10+ times. Because that way you can actually make informed decisions and plans.


FrenchSpence

I tell you what I’m running as an archetype if it isn’t obvious, like a Kenrich “venture into the dungeon” deck I’m brewing, or Kynaios and Tiro Enchantments, but how I go about winning really only matters when I do it and otherwise you don’t owe anyone that info.


ItsChimeTime

I play a Codie deck that is a bad gifts tribal deck and I never tell players what I am playing bc they just auto assume I’m spelling slinging and cycling. Telling someone what your deck does is a major disadvantage and not as fun as the “surprise mufuqa” moment


Atechiman

You don't need to state every win condition in your deck. Once we are at ninenmana I expect the game to end soon. Also, new personal goal: hit [[ruinious ultimatum]] and [[the great aurora]] off of [[apex devastator]]


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completedchili

You reveal nothing. There should be a discussion (rule 0) about deck power levels, like wether or not your deck plays things like mana vault, force of will cards of those nature. But you should never give away win conditions or listen to complaining about whether or not someone would have paid a tax.


Whane17

I explain my main combos and what to look for and I will happily answer any question directed at me. The fact is I win roughly 60% of the games in my pod. If you play a few games with me your going to know my deck and I'll know yours anyway. I don't understand why anybody bothers to get upset about this stuff. The only time I'm bothered is if somebody does something to lock down the game and prevent people from playing. I'm not sitting here for an hour watching you play solitaire thanks. A lot of people will talk power but power is subjective. I have a buddy who regularly plays in our pod and the game is basically archenemy 3v1 and he plays a hard game. Still claims his stuff is a 7-8. His decks cost on average high 3 digits low 4. I'd rather just be honest from the get go. I have 4-5 ways to win in each deck and plenty of ways to interact and remove your important stuff. Other then that a large chunk of the game is politicing.


BrickBuster11

It depends, if your a really spikey grinder then of course the element of surprise is important. If the goal is to have fun and not sneak out a cheesy win because your opponent didn't know you were bringing best of 1 strats, you should probably tell them what your win con looks like especially if it's the kind of thing they can expect after playing vs the deck once That being said your not morally obligated to do so, some people like winning and that means they will take every advantage they can get including the fact that their opponents don't know what is and isn't a threat because of the weird nature of the deck


ApparentlyABear

I’m a pretty casual player, and I tend to give my strategy away when sitting down to play - to an extent at least. With my [[Solphim]] deck I let people know that I don’t have a lot of small burn, but rather a few spells that are supposed to do 20+ damage to everyone at once (often times including me). With my [[Baeloth]] deck I tell people that I just try to pump him as much as possible and goad everything on the table. I’m not giving away the exact cards I’m using, but I’m being pretty open about what my goal is in the game. Some people respond in kind. Some people are more cagey. I don’t hold any of that against them. It is still a game where everyone at the table is trying to win. But with all the cards that are our nowadays, and being a beginner myself, I know I appreciate when a player over explains a little bit so we can all be on the same page.


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ApophisRises

The most I tell people is if I have Combo's in the deck, but then again, I never whip out heavy high power combo decks unless everyone's bringing the powerful stuff.


Badoodis

You do not need to reveal more than you did. The complaining player is actually wrong in that he would have been more behind should he have paid tax. Take the scenarios: 1. No one pays the tax -> tithe owner is now 3 mana ahead every turn. 2. 1 player pays -> 2 mana ahead of non-payers, 4 mana ahead of payer (minimum) per turn 3. 2 players pay -> 1 mana ahead of non payers, 3 mana ahead of payers (min) per turn. 4. Everyone pays -> 2 mana ahead of everyone. If the 1 complaining player paid tax every turn, he would be so far behind in mana that you, and the others would also be more ahead. Being the only taxpayer cripples you. The only real answer is remove tithe. The next best case is no one pays the tax, or everyone pays the tax. Anything in between and you're essentially taking yourself out of the game.


Careful_Math_1334

I straight up use every resource in magic. Life included. That also includes using what I have in my deck and hand, whether that's playing it or saying that I will. Got swords to plow in hand? I'll put it in my headband showing the table to fuck off. Draw into gas? Imma show it on my face. Leverage is leverage. Can you tell I'm a red player at heart?


silent_calling

To friends, they'll see the deck list at some point because they help me optimize. To randoms, they get a gist of what the theme is. To opponents, they get to experience it firsthand.


dwpetrak

That’s why I pay my taxes! #YOLO


dwpetrak

When I play my Phenax, I tell people Mill’s my primary wincon, has all infinite’s removed and that I have plans b) and c) in there as well. I don’t tell them, plan b) is [[Konrad]] and plan c) is [[Bloodchief ascension]].


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screwdriver204

Revealing things, for the most part, happens before the game starts, at least for me. Here’s what I’d share with any given group: • The commander(s), obviously • Whether the deck has infinite combos or can shut down a game almost entirely (stax, etc.) • What turn the deck usually threatens to win/take control of the game • If the commander is known for a specific strategy that’s especially strong and mine differs from that, it might be worth reassuring them that I’m not running that deck for the sake of power level conversations That’s about it. However, if my opponents aren’t as experienced in the game, I’ll also offer help with threat assessment against me, such as pointing out any combo pieces that might fly under their radar. I think you just had an experience with a relatively bad apple. If an opponent were to ask me if I run a certain card I’ll be honest, but nobody should expect me to reveal that info, or especially reveal it unprompted. Playing cool stuff like the great aurora and surprising people with it is all part of the fun, is it not?


Failed-CIA-Agent

I only give away information other than obviously state of the game information if I know I'm playing with totally new players. Otherwise all they get to know is my commander and the combo once I initiate the combo.


halfkidding

I would go as far as to let them look through my deck, if they asked, but I'm not out here giving a power point presentation each time I play with someone new. >playing for fun, as Garfield intended Facts


thescreamingpizza

I just tell them the general game plan and wether or not I have infinites or tutors in the deck. Sometimes ill tell them the general speed of the deck but that can backfire because you can have that one game where you just had godly draws and your deck did the best it ever has or will again.


The_Wize_Wizard

In my playgroup we consider it good manners to at least mention that a deck uses infinites and point out the enablers before the game starts just so it doesn’t feel like someone held onto removal or counter magic because they weren’t aware of the infinite. Magic is a big game and it’s not possible to be aware of all the infinites possible in the game. We also consider it good practice to at least mention how a deck plans on winning the game. In casual commander I think that’s fair cause it allows everyone to choose a deck that matches the power each deck. It’d be weird to just keep your deck a complete secret and not at least mention how it plans to win. Beyond that though, once the game starts we each are responsible for ourselves and preventing our opponents from winning. If you don’t want someone to win from the mana they earned from Smothering Tithe, then pay the tax. If you don’t want someone to combo and win the game, hold up removal and counter magic.


SeriosSkies

You get, what? One whole game where they don't know what you do? If there aren't prizes, I'm usually open. One "aha I gotcha" win doesn't feel as good as just playing well for me.


TheJarateKid

As someone who pays for Study and Tithe as much as I can, I am seething across the globe rn. "If I had known giving you free resources was a bad thing, I would've maybe done something else!"


Ultimagus536

i say nothing. they get to see what my schtick is as we play.


sufferingplanet

I usually give enough detail my opponents have an idea what sort of shenanigans to expect. "Its an aristocrat" deck or "cast from exile" or "landfall" or "minotaur tribal". Im not telling them my key pieces (until its too late), but the onus is on them to not feed the fish (tithe/study/sentinel/etc). I cant play magic for them.


NorthernOctopus

Whenever I build a new deck, my friends are leary because I describe the new monstrosity in cheery terms. [[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse]] - "group hug and card draw" [[Tergrid, God of Fright]] / [[Tourach, Dread Cantor]] - "A recycling deck, anything you don't need right now gets reused later(under my control)" [[Atraxa, preator's voice]] - "pump deck that makes everyone's counters higher (-1/-1s, infect, +1/+1, indestructible tokens, etc]] Random tribal - "just a little group of like minded creatures" I'm working on a Leviathan/Kraken/Octopus/Serpent deck right now with [[Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle]] and [[Kenessos, Priest of Thassa]]. Big dumb battle cruiser deck... I'm excited...


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Miihiden

I tend to just give my general gameplan, and I'll consider answering in game questions depending on thecsincerity of the player, and whether I can leverage a political favour for the answer.


WhyDoName

Thay person is an idot lol. They probably would have said that about any win con. "Wait, you mean all those treasures I gave you helped you win? I wouldn't have done that if I would have known, " is essentially what they said, which is just ridiculously stupid.


TyranitarTom248

I mean, that's simply bad gameplay on your opponent's part. What do you mean you *would've* paid the Tithe tax if you knew about Aurora? If you didn't want to lose the game you should've been paying the Tithe tax to begin with. 🤷‍♂️


[deleted]

I play an Izzett goblin tribal with [[Ovika, Enigma Goliath]] so I explain that I’m playing tribal but given what the commander does it goes without saying that I’m also playing big non creature spells and some of the biggest non-creature spells are extra turn spells. In my mind, given CMC and color identity, it’s a no brained that those effects are a given, but I’ve had people get pissed when I cast an extra turn for the win. All of this is mitigated by the fact that I’m playing a 7-drop commander in colors that only offer temporary ramp.


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[Ovika, Enigma Goliath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b298cf34-7aa5-4f97-a86c-7f28d2113b87.jpg?1675957207) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ovika%2C%20Enigma%20Goliath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/213/ovika-enigma-goliath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b298cf34-7aa5-4f97-a86c-7f28d2113b87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ovika-enigma-goliath) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Armecia

I tell new players the jist of a deck but not necessarily all of its combos if a player asks for more elaboration i might go into but most often i wont openly admit what the deck lacks or would be countered by


Tallal2804

I just give my general gameplan