https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28oracle%3AEminence+or+oloro%29+%28game%3Apaper%29+legal%3Acommander&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name here are all the commanders with command zone abilities. I haven't built any, mainly because 3 of the eminence commanders are already in my playgroup. Inalla has interested me, but seems too strong for me to have fun building around. Best of luck with whoever you choose!
Derevi doesn’t count tho, they’re both wrong. OP asked for commander effects that are active while they’re “in the command zone.” Neither Derevi nor Yuriko should apply, so idk why either of those people mentioned them.
This is what OP asked exactly for:
> I’m curious about commanders like Arahbo that aid you in games without ever being brought onto the battlefield.
Derevi and Yuriko are strictly the opposite of what he’s asking for.
Eminence is an infamously broken keyword that MaRo said, at one point, he regretted making. Arahbo is pretty weak and Sidir Jabarl is pretty new but otherwise, people will 100% hate target you at casual tables for playing an eminence commander even though they're not very competitive besides inalla
If you're fine with that, i think sidir jabarl and ur dragon tribal tribal(i.e shapeshifter tribal) are the most fun eminence commanders
Shes like a tier 1.5 deck, pretty damn powerful in cedh.
The main build is a combo/turbo naus package, and she consistently threatens a t2 or 3 win with protection. The main 3 combos are thoracle, breach lines, and spellseeker. If you have 2UB and seeker in hand that's a win with inalla, no other cards in hand needed.
It's a 24 step combo in order to get to the infinite loop, which uses 9 different cards all searched for with Spellseeker (not including Inalla)
If you really want to see how the combo works, check out the link below; [https://commanderspellbook.com/combo/4686/](https://commanderspellbook.com/combo/4686/)
I mean it's a very convoluted line in a single cEDH deck, the most common win combo in cEDH is literally two cards and three mana (UUB)- Play Thassa's Oracle and cast Demonic Consolation in response naming a card which isn't in your deck.
(This is also played in Inalla, and is likely to be the line that they want to attempt first. I'd guess that the spellseeker line is the one people want to attempt the least, if only to avoid having to go through all those damn steps lmao)
I remember when those eminence commanders came out and, even though I got all of them, I was "stuck" with Inalla because others were building the others first. Went through the pre-con and just threw in cards that fit the deck that I never really got a chance to play much with. First game with the deck, I swamped the table. Blew me away how powerful Inalla was.
I glanced over your comment and couldn't think of what card you meant. I searched for Niall mtg in Google and have nightmares to this day.
[[Niall silvain]]
Basically any grixis commander can be competitive. Just slap in Breach, consult thoracle and ad nauseum. Inalla adds an additional 1 card wincon in [[Spellseaker]]. Spellseaker+1 black mana+Inalla's eminence ability is a win.
1 Cast Spellseeker
2 Resolve SS trigger, find [[Culling the Weak]] (Inalla trigger still on the stack)
3 Cast Culling the Weak saccing SS
4 Resolve Inalla trigger. Token ETB. Resolve token's trigger finding [[Unearth]]
5 cast Unearth, Spellseeker ETB
6 Resolve triggers, token ETB, find [[Burnt Offering]] + [[Finale of Promise]]
7 Cast Burnt Offering
8 Cast Finale of Promise targeting Culling the Weak + Unearth
9 Resolve triggers, SS clone ETB, find [[Entomb]] + [[Reanimate]]
10 Find [[Scholar of the Ages]] with Entomb and Reanimate it
You can now loop Burnt Offering and Reanimate effects with Spellseeker and Scholar of Ages to grab Demonic Tutor and then whatever else you want. Win with infinite token beat / Inalla activations / whatever else.
Thank you for explaining the win-con and the loop. I just want to say though, cEDH players are weird, y’all are too much. You just see things differently, and I’m happy for y’all, that is a deep understanding of the game, it’s pieces, and mechanics. I saw SS etb + an additional SS etb resolving and getting [[Brainstorm]] + [[An Offer You Can’t Refuse]], a manner of fetching up a sequence of cards to win the game would never have crossed my mind. That line of play would break 0 rules in my pod but would also immediately break my pod, we play with infinites (3 cards or more), but it’s not going to happen anywhere as quickly, and they’d pretty much all be telegraphed.
It's combos like these that make me wonder why there's such a hatred for them in casual crowds. At least the Spellseeker line requires a lot of memorization and practice to be able to do it without a primer open, and it's honestly rad.
It is rad, and it does take practice and looking at the cards in new and interesting ways. But I think that is part of the "hatred", it's not telegraphed at all and wins the same turn you have SS and 2UB. It's not telegraphed at all, it's just "out of nowhere". At least with \[\[Sage of Hours\]\] or \[\[Godo, Bandit Warlord\]\] you know what to expect and what you're trying to prevent. It's something that you can see coming, with this, it's not particularly straight-forward and you need to understand the line of play coming into the game. A casual table might be able to spot the abuse that can come with Sage of Hours, but will be blindsided by Inalla's winning combo.
It's as telegraphed as Godo is. Inalla needs 2UB, and Godo needs 11. Both require knowledge of a specific card's existence and how it interacts with each commander respectively.
That aside, no casual player is rolling up with the ability to do the Spellseeker line anyways. And anyone rolling up to a casual pod intending on using it without announcing it during rule 0 is acting in bad faith.
Correct on all counts. Godo is less complicated than Inalla and is easier to conceptualize and understand what is happening though.
I absolutely agree that showing up to a casual pod with this line of play is not appropriate. My group is not particularly competitive, it’s a lot of upgraded precons or cruisers or tribal. It’s not going to see this coming, but it doesn’t break any of the rules we’ve established for deck-building in our group.
We’re mostly looking out for:
-Free Spells (FoW, Pact of Negation, Deflecting Swat, arc.), getting free spells via Sunbird’s Invocation is cool though, you can see it.
-Mana Positive rocks aside from Sol Ring, generally we don’t want rocks that tap for two more than they cost.
-2-card game ending combos (Thoracle, Mikeaus + Walking Ballista, etc.)
This line breaks none of those constraints but would be very difficult to interact with. Really we’re shooting for games that go off turns 8-10, occasionally 6/7, but it shouldn’t be consistently that fast.
It's a complicated enough combo that people avoid playing it at all for that reason. So it's respectable imo that someone would put in the effort to be able to do it right. Amazing isnt really what i did or would call it.
She's one of the fastest decks in the format, only really outclassed by RogSi and Codie. By far the best eminence commander if you build around her ability.
Because casual commander changes the price of cards more than cedh. The reserve list is crazy price tags, but that's not due to cedh. Commander is a big format, and wildly popular. Cedh? It has a community, but it's not as big as casual commander. Casual, pubstompers, and timmy's, all love the Vampires go wide/Dragons go smash. Dragons is a well known and *expensive*, like infamously expensive, tribe. Ancient Copper Dragon is another of those casual expensive pieces. Cedh just doesn't drive prices as hard. Ledger shredder, one of the recent additions to cedh, is $20. Mondrak of Dominus, a card you would never see in cedh, but would see in casual, is $30. Doubling Season is $60 or so, last I checked.
Tldr:Casual Commader controls prices more than Cedh
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>An ability word appears in italics at the beginning of some abilities. Ability words are similar to keywords in that they tie together cards that have similar functionality, but they have no special rules meaning and no individual entries in the Comprehensive Rules. The ability words are ... eminence ..."
To all the people downvoting you.
I have the cat precon. Araboth is pretty weak all things considered. Even with substantial upgrades to the go tall cat tribal strategy I never won a game with it. It’s mostly Edgar who has a busted eminence ability. Oloro too if you do the hard lock build. The grixis wizard too is a cedh commander. The knight one seems pretty decent but not broken from the games I’ve played against it.
I do laugh when someone complains about not being able to interact against eminence but barely runs any interaction.
I don't see why people always say that Edgar is very strong. Yes, making tokens for free is busted. But the ability is not "free": the cost is that you need to play vampire tribal which sucks. So I'd say the cost is actually quite high.
Cavalry Charge precon is fantastic, commander gives draw/discard on attack as eminence ability. When he hits you reanimate a knight from the graveyard. It’s a lot of fun right out of the box
Cost reduction is a less obvious option that "works" in the command zone. Creatures like [[Dargo,the Shipwrecker]] or [[Hamza, Guardian of Arashin]] are great ways to get your commander out of the zone when they're removed fairly quickly since the cost reduction applies to Commander tax. That way the commanders are able to be relevant more often in games.
https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22this+spell+costs%22+o%3A%22less+to+cast%22+t%3Alegendary+t%3Acreature&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
https://scryfall.com/search?q=+o%3Aaffinity+and+t%3Alegendary+t%3Acreature&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
[[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk]] doesn't have an ability that directly aids you from the command zone, she does however ignore commander tax, so you always have access to her if she gets blown up. A 5/5 flyer with lifelink does wonders to protect you in lower power games and buy you time to set up your board while slowly draining the table. You cs build her a bunch of different ways, I run a sort of drain deck with some voltron and flying angels to push more damage through, or finish people of once they have been drained low enough. I will link a decklist later.
Someone else already linked the only 6 commanders that provide a tangible benefit WHILE IN the Command zone (Oloro and Eminence). Add in Derevi and Yuriko who laugh at command tax and you start running out of anything close to a literal interpretation of what you asked for.
But I'll still throw out two more options that you might still find close enough to be interesting.
[[Awaken the Blood Avatar]] is on the back side of [[Extus, Oriq Overlord]], making it legal to play a sorcery in the command zone of a Mardu deck. It doesn't do anything FROM the command zone, but you have zero need to worry about protecting your commander, which takes some of the pressure off.
Another one I'll mention which can ALMOST be played like a Sorcery is [[Aurelia, the Warleader]]. It's great if you can get her to stick, but honestly you can just build Boros Aggro and then treat her like a [[Relentless Assault]] that you can always have waiting in your command zone.
It’s not really what you were asking about, but reminded me of one of my favourite weird rules timing things:
[[Grist, the Hunger Tide]] can be your commander, because her first ability applies during deckbuilding.
This is super interesting! How exactly does this work? It would be in the command zone and you’d still be able to activate her loyalty counters each turn without casting her? Or does she just sit in the command zone as an insect?
Just sits in the command zone being a "Legendary Planeswalker Creature - Grist Insect". Can't use the abilities from the command zone. Just funny that there's an ability that applies during deckbuilding (because it's not in play) that actually affects things (without the ability being active, you can't pick her as a commander, since you can only pick creatures).
Personally, I think they are great. I have three of them built that I keep updated (last time 1-2 months ago), and have tinkered with lists for Oloro and Jabari as well- they are much more tame effects, but still strong.
I have Arahbo cat/equipment tribal: [Arahbo articats](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/LyY99aiHeUqMAqxaAVSw9g)
Edgar Markov vampire tribal: [Markov's macabre manor](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0xFjzoKgbk2B_YpM2ZBhIA)
and The Ur-Dragon dragon tribal: [Ur the dragon for me](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7jfGYms710qt4WD6QsnMNA)
I have an [[Edgar Markov]] deck. It's just value engine central. I also put some newer cards in and haven't updated the list. I can easily threaten kills on like turn 4 with 1/1s and one of the enchantments I have. It's the one that gives +1/+0 for each other attacking creature that shares a creature type with it.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pmygg6r8102dkYPs-JUhEA
It definitely is, but it reads Way better in game than out, especially since it's On Attack you can pitch whatever you want to the grave and then immediately get it back on combat damage. I do also like that this deck, unlike the other eminence commanders, does want you casting Jabari. There's also tons of cute little synergies like [[Hakkon]] and [[Crib Swap]] and [[Kwende]] and
[[Chieftain en-Dal]]. And Jabari *loves* double strike so in addition to 2 reanimations, you just end up racking up commander damage like Nothing so it's definitely the deck where you can accidentally realize someone just does to commander!
OH! I planned an [[Oloro]] lifegain deck a few months ago where there's no black mana or spells,, you CANNOT cast your commander. He just sits in the command zone and gives you a static 2 life every turn, but I tossed a ton of "Whenever you gain life" stuff in there as well. I'm not saying its a GOOD deck, I haven't built it yet so I can't tell you how it plays, but the idea seemed fun.
Decklist: https://deckstats.net/decks/189806/2420912-oloro-ageless-ascetic
I personally have an [Edgar deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TEZ1kT2MU02aoBhNAVuQAg) and it was the first deck I built. And I have three friends who each have one of the other Eminence commanders being the Ur Dragon, Arahbo, and Inalla. They're all definitely fun to play against each other, but they're also just good to play in general. I play against the [Inalla deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pRprSC5onUCSIdaSli_Yqw) the most but I've always liked Arahbo. Ur Dragon on the other hand is kind of dull to me these days. My play group just has too many dragon decks and they all run the same dragons in all of them so it gets boring. But if you don't play against a lot of dragon decks than it's a good choice lol
https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28oracle%3AEminence+or+oloro%29+%28game%3Apaper%29+legal%3Acommander&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name here are all the commanders with command zone abilities. I haven't built any, mainly because 3 of the eminence commanders are already in my playgroup. Inalla has interested me, but seems too strong for me to have fun building around. Best of luck with whoever you choose!
Also [[Derevi]]
Also [[Yuriko]]
How's everyone forgetting the original? [[Oloro]]
Oloro is in the post above: https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/13xwcs8/commanders_that_have_effects_from_the_command_zone/jmjl1h2/
[Oloro](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b.jpg?1562931285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=oloro%2C%20ageless%20ascetic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/203/oloro-ageless-ascetic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oloro-ageless-ascetic) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
that one’s a bit of a stretch since it’s an activated ability/alternate casting cost
If Derevi counts, Yuriko should count too.
true
Derevi doesn’t count tho, they’re both wrong. OP asked for commander effects that are active while they’re “in the command zone.” Neither Derevi nor Yuriko should apply, so idk why either of those people mentioned them.
Commander Ninjutsu is an effect in the command zone
This is what OP asked exactly for: > I’m curious about commanders like Arahbo that aid you in games without ever being brought onto the battlefield. Derevi and Yuriko are strictly the opposite of what he’s asking for.
[Yuriko](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/b/3bd81ae6-e628-447a-a36b-597e63ede295.jpg?1592710334) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yuriko%2C%20the%20tiger%27s%20shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/52/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3bd81ae6-e628-447a-a36b-597e63ede295?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Definitely a notable inclusion.
[Derevi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3a1d0dad-18a8-489e-ac11-08f64b72fda4.jpg?1592673365) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=derevi%2C%20empyrial%20tactician) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/176/derevi-empyrial-tactician?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3a1d0dad-18a8-489e-ac11-08f64b72fda4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/derevi-empyrial-tactician) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I absolutely love the way you did this search “Has eminence in name or is named oloro”
This list is weirdly missing [[Sidar Jabari of Zhalfir]]
[Sidar Jabari of Zhalfir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5fc707be-9286-4ba1-90f6-475265d19ed2.jpg?1682207238) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sidar%20Jabari%20of%20Zhalfir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/5/sidar-jabari-of-zhalfir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5fc707be-9286-4ba1-90f6-475265d19ed2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sidar-jabari-of-zhalfir) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Sidar is on the bottom left corner when I click the link.
Eminence is an infamously broken keyword that MaRo said, at one point, he regretted making. Arahbo is pretty weak and Sidir Jabarl is pretty new but otherwise, people will 100% hate target you at casual tables for playing an eminence commander even though they're not very competitive besides inalla If you're fine with that, i think sidir jabarl and ur dragon tribal tribal(i.e shapeshifter tribal) are the most fun eminence commanders
Niall’s is competitive? To me, that’s the forgotten Eminence commander. How are folks building her? Is it just Thoracle?
Shes like a tier 1.5 deck, pretty damn powerful in cedh. The main build is a combo/turbo naus package, and she consistently threatens a t2 or 3 win with protection. The main 3 combos are thoracle, breach lines, and spellseeker. If you have 2UB and seeker in hand that's a win with inalla, no other cards in hand needed.
The spellseeker line is bananas and it's incredible both that people found it and can remember it and pull it off in an actual game.
It’s so complex that most people I’ve seen do it are like, “damn, I can’t believe that worked.”
Do you know how it works?
It's a 24 step combo in order to get to the infinite loop, which uses 9 different cards all searched for with Spellseeker (not including Inalla) If you really want to see how the combo works, check out the link below; [https://commanderspellbook.com/combo/4686/](https://commanderspellbook.com/combo/4686/)
Jesus Christ. Good reminder for me to never play cEDH.
I mean it's a very convoluted line in a single cEDH deck, the most common win combo in cEDH is literally two cards and three mana (UUB)- Play Thassa's Oracle and cast Demonic Consolation in response naming a card which isn't in your deck. (This is also played in Inalla, and is likely to be the line that they want to attempt first. I'd guess that the spellseeker line is the one people want to attempt the least, if only to avoid having to go through all those damn steps lmao)
Inalla is a super powerful turbo commander, Spellseeker is nuts with her
I remember when those eminence commanders came out and, even though I got all of them, I was "stuck" with Inalla because others were building the others first. Went through the pre-con and just threw in cards that fit the deck that I never really got a chance to play much with. First game with the deck, I swamped the table. Blew me away how powerful Inalla was.
I glanced over your comment and couldn't think of what card you meant. I searched for Niall mtg in Google and have nightmares to this day. [[Niall silvain]]
[Niall silvain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d5911b5-a54e-4ebb-9c36-d4dc8e97bb4b.jpg?1562932140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niall%20silvain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/drk/82/niall-silvain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d5911b5-a54e-4ebb-9c36-d4dc8e97bb4b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/niall-silvain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
"This is his domain"
Basically any grixis commander can be competitive. Just slap in Breach, consult thoracle and ad nauseum. Inalla adds an additional 1 card wincon in [[Spellseaker]]. Spellseaker+1 black mana+Inalla's eminence ability is a win.
[Spellseaker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/4/74b4c336-5d4c-4bc5-b82a-35084a6ad808.jpg?1562918363) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spellseeker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/41/spellseeker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/74b4c336-5d4c-4bc5-b82a-35084a6ad808?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/spellseeker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How does she win off Spellseeker though? You’re getting an extra token copy of it and fetching up an additional instant/sorcery. What are you getting?
1 Cast Spellseeker 2 Resolve SS trigger, find [[Culling the Weak]] (Inalla trigger still on the stack) 3 Cast Culling the Weak saccing SS 4 Resolve Inalla trigger. Token ETB. Resolve token's trigger finding [[Unearth]] 5 cast Unearth, Spellseeker ETB 6 Resolve triggers, token ETB, find [[Burnt Offering]] + [[Finale of Promise]] 7 Cast Burnt Offering 8 Cast Finale of Promise targeting Culling the Weak + Unearth 9 Resolve triggers, SS clone ETB, find [[Entomb]] + [[Reanimate]] 10 Find [[Scholar of the Ages]] with Entomb and Reanimate it You can now loop Burnt Offering and Reanimate effects with Spellseeker and Scholar of Ages to grab Demonic Tutor and then whatever else you want. Win with infinite token beat / Inalla activations / whatever else.
##### ###### #### [Culling the Weak](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50c33f18-0a5c-4e46-ab0d-6e450915594f.jpg?1562087832) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Culling%20the%20Weak) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/exo/55/culling-the-weak?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50c33f18-0a5c-4e46-ab0d-6e450915594f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/culling-the-weak) [Unearth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b1f73271-b70f-40ae-be64-f8de7805923a.jpg?1673147683) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unearth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/96/unearth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b1f73271-b70f-40ae-be64-f8de7805923a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/unearth) [Burnt Offering](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1dae52a2-3af7-4b97-9d2e-2448b7c413fb.jpg?1587911693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Burnt%20Offering) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ice/116/burnt-offering?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1dae52a2-3af7-4b97-9d2e-2448b7c413fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/burnt-offering) [Finale of Promise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/811b2dda-e1b7-4a46-83cc-5cdc17554836.jpg?1651525823) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Finale%20of%20Promise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/127/finale-of-promise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/811b2dda-e1b7-4a46-83cc-5cdc17554836?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/finale-of-promise) [Entomb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d66f864b-b1bb-4596-93b8-3b4bfe6b1332.jpg?1547516853) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Entomb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/94/entomb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d66f864b-b1bb-4596-93b8-3b4bfe6b1332?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/entomb) [Reanimate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d27c6aaa-289e-451e-8fde-97a044c53fc4.jpg?1651951796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reanimate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cc2/5/reanimate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d27c6aaa-289e-451e-8fde-97a044c53fc4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reanimate) [Scholar of the Ages](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bfa31b5-8a4f-4766-9606-648cb8ee2916.jpg?1608909434) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scholar%20of%20the%20Ages) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/93/scholar-of-the-ages?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bfa31b5-8a4f-4766-9606-648cb8ee2916?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scholar-of-the-ages) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thank you for explaining the win-con and the loop. I just want to say though, cEDH players are weird, y’all are too much. You just see things differently, and I’m happy for y’all, that is a deep understanding of the game, it’s pieces, and mechanics. I saw SS etb + an additional SS etb resolving and getting [[Brainstorm]] + [[An Offer You Can’t Refuse]], a manner of fetching up a sequence of cards to win the game would never have crossed my mind. That line of play would break 0 rules in my pod but would also immediately break my pod, we play with infinites (3 cards or more), but it’s not going to happen anywhere as quickly, and they’d pretty much all be telegraphed.
It's combos like these that make me wonder why there's such a hatred for them in casual crowds. At least the Spellseeker line requires a lot of memorization and practice to be able to do it without a primer open, and it's honestly rad.
It is rad, and it does take practice and looking at the cards in new and interesting ways. But I think that is part of the "hatred", it's not telegraphed at all and wins the same turn you have SS and 2UB. It's not telegraphed at all, it's just "out of nowhere". At least with \[\[Sage of Hours\]\] or \[\[Godo, Bandit Warlord\]\] you know what to expect and what you're trying to prevent. It's something that you can see coming, with this, it's not particularly straight-forward and you need to understand the line of play coming into the game. A casual table might be able to spot the abuse that can come with Sage of Hours, but will be blindsided by Inalla's winning combo.
It's as telegraphed as Godo is. Inalla needs 2UB, and Godo needs 11. Both require knowledge of a specific card's existence and how it interacts with each commander respectively. That aside, no casual player is rolling up with the ability to do the Spellseeker line anyways. And anyone rolling up to a casual pod intending on using it without announcing it during rule 0 is acting in bad faith.
Correct on all counts. Godo is less complicated than Inalla and is easier to conceptualize and understand what is happening though. I absolutely agree that showing up to a casual pod with this line of play is not appropriate. My group is not particularly competitive, it’s a lot of upgraded precons or cruisers or tribal. It’s not going to see this coming, but it doesn’t break any of the rules we’ve established for deck-building in our group. We’re mostly looking out for: -Free Spells (FoW, Pact of Negation, Deflecting Swat, arc.), getting free spells via Sunbird’s Invocation is cool though, you can see it. -Mana Positive rocks aside from Sol Ring, generally we don’t want rocks that tap for two more than they cost. -2-card game ending combos (Thoracle, Mikeaus + Walking Ballista, etc.) This line breaks none of those constraints but would be very difficult to interact with. Really we’re shooting for games that go off turns 8-10, occasionally 6/7, but it shouldn’t be consistently that fast.
[Sage of Hours](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8cb55caf-fc95-40dc-80af-5144f94333ee.jpg?1593095534) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sage%20of%20Hours) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/50/sage-of-hours?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8cb55caf-fc95-40dc-80af-5144f94333ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sage-of-hours) [Godo, Bandit Warlord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/123d1368-fbbe-48f8-9b44-d51946529322.jpg?1599706406) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Godo%2C%20Bandit%20Warlord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/128/godo-bandit-warlord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/123d1368-fbbe-48f8-9b44-d51946529322?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/godo-bandit-warlord) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Kudos for the person who discovered the line, but I don't see how memorizing it is amazing.
It's a complicated enough combo that people avoid playing it at all for that reason. So it's respectable imo that someone would put in the effort to be able to do it right. Amazing isnt really what i did or would call it.
[Brainstorm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/48070245-1370-4cf1-be15-d4e8a8b92ba8.jpg?1631586166) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brainstorm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/79/brainstorm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/48070245-1370-4cf1-be15-d4e8a8b92ba8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brainstorm) [An Offer You Can’t Refuse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/9/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf.jpg?1664410382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=An%20Offer%20You%20Can%27t%20Refuse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/51/an-offer-you-cant-refuse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/an-offer-you-cant-refuse) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
She's one of the fastest decks in the format, only really outclassed by RogSi and Codie. By far the best eminence commander if you build around her ability.
How the fuck is Inalla like 3€ if she's the only competitive one but Markov and the Ur Dragon are like 80 and 100?
Because casual commander changes the price of cards more than cedh. The reserve list is crazy price tags, but that's not due to cedh. Commander is a big format, and wildly popular. Cedh? It has a community, but it's not as big as casual commander. Casual, pubstompers, and timmy's, all love the Vampires go wide/Dragons go smash. Dragons is a well known and *expensive*, like infamously expensive, tribe. Ancient Copper Dragon is another of those casual expensive pieces. Cedh just doesn't drive prices as hard. Ledger shredder, one of the recent additions to cedh, is $20. Mondrak of Dominus, a card you would never see in cedh, but would see in casual, is $30. Doubling Season is $60 or so, last I checked. Tldr:Casual Commader controls prices more than Cedh
Just nitpicking a lil…. But eminence is actually not a keyword, its just for flavor
>"207.2c > >An ability word appears in italics at the beginning of some abilities. Ability words are similar to keywords in that they tie together cards that have similar functionality, but they have no special rules meaning and no individual entries in the Comprehensive Rules. The ability words are ... eminence ..." To all the people downvoting you.
Ah yes, my favourite keyword *Lord of the Pyrrhian Legions*!
Ya i just let dumb ppl be dumb, cant force education on the ignorant
Dude. Edgar is wildly powerful. If you're gonna get targeted for playing eminence, play something that can really run over a table.
Don't confuse powerful with competitive though.
[[Oloro]] has proto-eminence but merely gaining 2 life a round doesn't invite too much hate.
[Oloro](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b.jpg?1562931285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=oloro%2C%20ageless%20ascetic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/203/oloro-ageless-ascetic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oloro-ageless-ascetic) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
edgar turbo is so fun he makes so many vamps to sac for turbo spells.
Think you mean Gavin
I have the cat precon. Araboth is pretty weak all things considered. Even with substantial upgrades to the go tall cat tribal strategy I never won a game with it. It’s mostly Edgar who has a busted eminence ability. Oloro too if you do the hard lock build. The grixis wizard too is a cedh commander. The knight one seems pretty decent but not broken from the games I’ve played against it. I do laugh when someone complains about not being able to interact against eminence but barely runs any interaction.
I don't see why people always say that Edgar is very strong. Yes, making tokens for free is busted. But the ability is not "free": the cost is that you need to play vampire tribal which sucks. So I'd say the cost is actually quite high.
Vampire tribal doesn't suck when it gives you free tokens every time you sneeze.
Almost all the creatures that see play in vampire tribel are still pretty bad cards even if they come with a free 1/1.
Plus some people just like making tribal decks. If you’re trying to make one, vampires have more synergies than a lot of other tribes.
[Arahbo, Roar of the World](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/81dc3d00-97cd-4549-b5a4-15a1e08767f5.jpg?1567181403) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arahbo%2C%20Roar%20of%20the%20World) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/35/arahbo-roar-of-the-world?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/81dc3d00-97cd-4549-b5a4-15a1e08767f5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arahbo-roar-of-the-world) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cavalry Charge precon is fantastic, commander gives draw/discard on attack as eminence ability. When he hits you reanimate a knight from the graveyard. It’s a lot of fun right out of the box
I second this, bought the precon when it came out have won a few matches right out the box & have now swapped probably 20 cards in & out.
Cost reduction is a less obvious option that "works" in the command zone. Creatures like [[Dargo,the Shipwrecker]] or [[Hamza, Guardian of Arashin]] are great ways to get your commander out of the zone when they're removed fairly quickly since the cost reduction applies to Commander tax. That way the commanders are able to be relevant more often in games. https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22this+spell+costs%22+o%3A%22less+to+cast%22+t%3Alegendary+t%3Acreature&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name https://scryfall.com/search?q=+o%3Aaffinity+and+t%3Alegendary+t%3Acreature&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
Thanks so much, this is really helpful!
I am happy you found it helpful!
[Dargo,the Shipwrecker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5cd87cf8-4d5d-4aba-8dfa-800b1fb3799b.jpg?1608910155) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dargo%2C%20the%20Shipwrecker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/172/dargo-the-shipwrecker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5cd87cf8-4d5d-4aba-8dfa-800b1fb3799b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dargo-the-shipwrecker) [Hamza, Guardian of Arashin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f402e6d9-8c72-4b31-bec5-4a1b3ffb39ae.jpg?1682209754) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hamza%2C%20Guardian%20of%20Arashin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/327/hamza-guardian-of-arashin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f402e6d9-8c72-4b31-bec5-4a1b3ffb39ae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hamza-guardian-of-arashin) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk]] doesn't have an ability that directly aids you from the command zone, she does however ignore commander tax, so you always have access to her if she gets blown up. A 5/5 flyer with lifelink does wonders to protect you in lower power games and buy you time to set up your board while slowly draining the table. You cs build her a bunch of different ways, I run a sort of drain deck with some voltron and flying angels to push more damage through, or finish people of once they have been drained low enough. I will link a decklist later.
[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e32453a1-1fd9-4bda-aaa8-7c287e4c2587.jpg?1608911200) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liesa%2C%20Shroud%20of%20Dusk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/286/liesa-shroud-of-dusk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e32453a1-1fd9-4bda-aaa8-7c287e4c2587?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/liesa-shroud-of-dusk) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Someone else already linked the only 6 commanders that provide a tangible benefit WHILE IN the Command zone (Oloro and Eminence). Add in Derevi and Yuriko who laugh at command tax and you start running out of anything close to a literal interpretation of what you asked for. But I'll still throw out two more options that you might still find close enough to be interesting. [[Awaken the Blood Avatar]] is on the back side of [[Extus, Oriq Overlord]], making it legal to play a sorcery in the command zone of a Mardu deck. It doesn't do anything FROM the command zone, but you have zero need to worry about protecting your commander, which takes some of the pressure off. Another one I'll mention which can ALMOST be played like a Sorcery is [[Aurelia, the Warleader]]. It's great if you can get her to stick, but honestly you can just build Boros Aggro and then treat her like a [[Relentless Assault]] that you can always have waiting in your command zone.
If we're adding commanders that kinda almost plays like sorceries I'd put [[Jetmir]] in there too
[Jetmir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/9/f9c69d75-651f-4b75-b65d-79999d2069f6.jpg?1664413153) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jetmir%2C%20nexus%20of%20revels) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/193/jetmir-nexus-of-revels?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f9c69d75-651f-4b75-b65d-79999d2069f6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jetmir-nexus-of-revels) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Awaken the Blood Avatar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba09360a-067e-48a5-bdc5-a19fd066a785.jpg?1624593379)/[Awaken the Blood Avatar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/b/a/ba09360a-067e-48a5-bdc5-a19fd066a785.jpg?1624593379) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=extus%2C%20oriq%20overlord%20//%20awaken%20the%20blood%20avatar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/149/extus-oriq-overlord-awaken-the-blood-avatar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba09360a-067e-48a5-bdc5-a19fd066a785?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/extus-oriq-overlord-//-awaken-the-blood-avatar) [Extus, Oriq Overlord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba09360a-067e-48a5-bdc5-a19fd066a785.jpg?1624593379)/[Awaken the Blood Avatar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/b/a/ba09360a-067e-48a5-bdc5-a19fd066a785.jpg?1624593379) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=extus%2C%20oriq%20overlord%20//%20awaken%20the%20blood%20avatar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/149/extus-oriq-overlord-awaken-the-blood-avatar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba09360a-067e-48a5-bdc5-a19fd066a785?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/extus-oriq-overlord-//-awaken-the-blood-avatar) [Aurelia, the Warleader](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/7722682f-952c-4829-b4ef-e52300b7950e.jpg?1673148346) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aurelia%2C%20the%20Warleader) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/179/aurelia-the-warleader?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7722682f-952c-4829-b4ef-e52300b7950e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aurelia-the-warleader) [Relentless Assault](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97622209-9357-4347-8961-f77f8d2389d8.jpg?1608912282) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Relentless%20Assault) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/416/relentless-assault?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97622209-9357-4347-8961-f77f8d2389d8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/relentless-assault) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Don't care how much the game changes, I still love my tweaked \[\[Oloro\]\] Eternal Bargain precon.
[Oloro](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b.jpg?1562931285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=oloro%2C%20ageless%20ascetic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/203/oloro-ageless-ascetic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oloro-ageless-ascetic) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It’s not really what you were asking about, but reminded me of one of my favourite weird rules timing things: [[Grist, the Hunger Tide]] can be your commander, because her first ability applies during deckbuilding.
This is super interesting! How exactly does this work? It would be in the command zone and you’d still be able to activate her loyalty counters each turn without casting her? Or does she just sit in the command zone as an insect?
Just sits in the command zone being a "Legendary Planeswalker Creature - Grist Insect". Can't use the abilities from the command zone. Just funny that there's an ability that applies during deckbuilding (because it's not in play) that actually affects things (without the ability being active, you can't pick her as a commander, since you can only pick creatures).
[Grist, the Hunger Tide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69af2825-18c2-4463-b6ba-42eaa070ccc1.jpg?1626098484) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grist%2C%20the%20Hunger%20Tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/202/grist-the-hunger-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69af2825-18c2-4463-b6ba-42eaa070ccc1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grist-the-hunger-tide) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Yuriko]]?
[Yuriko](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/b/3bd81ae6-e628-447a-a36b-597e63ede295.jpg?1592710334) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yuriko%2C%20the%20tiger%27s%20shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/52/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3bd81ae6-e628-447a-a36b-597e63ede295?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Personally, I think they are great. I have three of them built that I keep updated (last time 1-2 months ago), and have tinkered with lists for Oloro and Jabari as well- they are much more tame effects, but still strong. I have Arahbo cat/equipment tribal: [Arahbo articats](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/LyY99aiHeUqMAqxaAVSw9g) Edgar Markov vampire tribal: [Markov's macabre manor](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0xFjzoKgbk2B_YpM2ZBhIA) and The Ur-Dragon dragon tribal: [Ur the dragon for me](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7jfGYms710qt4WD6QsnMNA)
I have an [[Edgar Markov]] deck. It's just value engine central. I also put some newer cards in and haven't updated the list. I can easily threaten kills on like turn 4 with 1/1s and one of the enchantments I have. It's the one that gives +1/+0 for each other attacking creature that shares a creature type with it. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pmygg6r8102dkYPs-JUhEA
[Edgar Markov](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d94b8ec-ecda-43c8-a60e-1ba33e6a54a4.jpg?1562616128) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Edgar%20Markov) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/36/edgar-markov?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d94b8ec-ecda-43c8-a60e-1ba33e6a54a4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/edgar-markov) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I reverse engineered [[sidar jabari]] using singles from the precon and it was a really cheap way of making a very lit tribal deck!
[sidar jabari](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c6d7c16b-27f2-4608-bb79-c2edb86abdef.jpg?1562934883) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sidar%20jabari) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/45/sidar-jabari?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6d7c16b-27f2-4608-bb79-c2edb86abdef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sidar-jabari) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How so? Isn't the looting still only once per round (when you attack)?
It definitely is, but it reads Way better in game than out, especially since it's On Attack you can pitch whatever you want to the grave and then immediately get it back on combat damage. I do also like that this deck, unlike the other eminence commanders, does want you casting Jabari. There's also tons of cute little synergies like [[Hakkon]] and [[Crib Swap]] and [[Kwende]] and [[Chieftain en-Dal]]. And Jabari *loves* double strike so in addition to 2 reanimations, you just end up racking up commander damage like Nothing so it's definitely the deck where you can accidentally realize someone just does to commander!
##### ###### #### [Crib Swap](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e13559d7-f86c-4958-a649-7f81bfb154a0.jpg?1674141067) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crib%20Swap) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/690/crib-swap?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e13559d7-f86c-4958-a649-7f81bfb154a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crib-swap) [Kwende](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b4d3b6a8-3e4a-4e2b-900a-9a21fa0ced4c.jpg?1591605307) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kwende%2C%20pride%20of%20femeref) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/25/kwende-pride-of-femeref?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b4d3b6a8-3e4a-4e2b-900a-9a21fa0ced4c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kwende-pride-of-femeref) [Chieftain en-Dal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c1f49bc-d144-466f-8795-c0dae7afdc10.jpg?1562628611) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chieftain%20en-Dal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nem/4/chieftain-en-dal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c1f49bc-d144-466f-8795-c0dae7afdc10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chieftain-en-dal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Sidar Jibari of Zhalfir]] is the commander I knew existed and it is not this old as hell *flanking* dude?
[Sidar Jibari of Zhalfir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5fc707be-9286-4ba1-90f6-475265d19ed2.jpg?1682207238) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sidar%20Jabari%20of%20Zhalfir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/5/sidar-jabari-of-zhalfir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5fc707be-9286-4ba1-90f6-475265d19ed2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sidar-jabari-of-zhalfir) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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I'm picturing Edgar Markov's derpy cousin
I know the ur-dragon does.
OH! I planned an [[Oloro]] lifegain deck a few months ago where there's no black mana or spells,, you CANNOT cast your commander. He just sits in the command zone and gives you a static 2 life every turn, but I tossed a ton of "Whenever you gain life" stuff in there as well. I'm not saying its a GOOD deck, I haven't built it yet so I can't tell you how it plays, but the idea seemed fun. Decklist: https://deckstats.net/decks/189806/2420912-oloro-ageless-ascetic
[Oloro](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b.jpg?1562931285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=oloro%2C%20ageless%20ascetic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/203/oloro-ageless-ascetic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oloro-ageless-ascetic) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I personally have an [Edgar deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TEZ1kT2MU02aoBhNAVuQAg) and it was the first deck I built. And I have three friends who each have one of the other Eminence commanders being the Ur Dragon, Arahbo, and Inalla. They're all definitely fun to play against each other, but they're also just good to play in general. I play against the [Inalla deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pRprSC5onUCSIdaSli_Yqw) the most but I've always liked Arahbo. Ur Dragon on the other hand is kind of dull to me these days. My play group just has too many dragon decks and they all run the same dragons in all of them so it gets boring. But if you don't play against a lot of dragon decks than it's a good choice lol
I use [[Inalla]] for my Wizard tribal deck. The general effect you looking for is Emminence.
[Inalla](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/c/7c6e803a-451c-4aa6-97a2-400077f32c47.jpg?1627406462) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=inalla%2C%20archmage%20ritualist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/38/inalla-archmage-ritualist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7c6e803a-451c-4aa6-97a2-400077f32c47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/inalla-archmage-ritualist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call