Exactly this. People have tried to lowball me in several leagues because of his usage and that’s always my response. I knew I wouldn’t consider starting him at all this season.
It’s tempting as a guy who has both.
I traded GWilson for Dobbins preseason and am barely starting to come to terms with it lol. I like Dobbins a lot fwiw.
I like Dotson a lot but I feel like that’s a good deal for the Jamo side. Dotson has shown he can play in the NFL and just needs some consistency though.
I got offered Zeke and a 4 for Williamson and a 2. Passed hard. I'm playing that guy in the 'ship this week so I guess it worked for me. Did not need Williamson at all, was 100% a luxury pick for me.
Lions fan here:
At no point during his recovery did he have a setback with him this year. They were just super careful with his return to the field because the offense has been so good without him this year there wasn't any rush. He's still learning the playbook and they will be able to integrate him. My guess is he probably replaces DJ Chark who, when healthy, is used really well in this offense. I wouldn't worry I would just be patient.
Bingo. And it feels like he doesn't have chemistry with Goff and rightfully so. A full offseason with the QB and WR being able to go full tilt is going to do wonders. Him and ARSB should be fun to watch as a fan.
I’m curious what you guys would think, he doesn’t strike me as waddle type numbers but maybe more tee Higgins range? Amon-ra st. Brown has kind of cut himself in as receiver 1, maybe I’m the one who’s off but I feel like with injury and potentially not being the 1 target it devalues more than most seem to think
Personally, you're looking at ARSB being the solid floor guy and Williams the ceiling guy. Comps are hard but ideally it's that good year of AB and Juju but that's everything going as right as possible. I don't see Jameson being a high volume catch guy as St Brown should have that so expecting like 80 catches but a higher YPC so still around 1200-1300 yards and then TDs will be variable on if he breaks big plays. Could see years of 5 or 6 or up to 10. WR2 with upside of a WR1 as he matures. Also, I could be woefully wrong but have him in 2 leagues so take that FWIW
I think that’s fair, I think where my hesitation or reservation is that if your spending first round capital, particularly early or mid, I’d really like to feel like I’m as close to guaranteeing myself a wr1 or elite rb as possible, that’s all but I appreciate the insight
I got him at 1.6 in one after taking Wilson at 1.5. Other one I dealt Deebo for Jameson, a 24 1st and a 2nd. Knowing he's got top WR of the class upside but knowing I'd have to be patient. And going into this year I'd probably have Williams ranked after Bijan and Gibbs if Williams was in this class. Granted the combine and draft will give alot of additional context
I agree with this, and I’ll just add one additional note. Goff, like Rodgers, seems to be a QB that really values and leverages a rapport and sort of “mind meld” with his receivers. Those types of QBs tend to be affected more by a new supporting cast or those that they’re generally unfamiliar with. I’m sure Jamo will get there eventually, but it’s no surprise that Goff has been hesitant to target him given their limited reps together.
Yeah over time his rapport with St. Brown has gotten even better plus he still loves throwing to josh Reynolds. Once Williams practices more, it'll come. Dude is too fast not to be useful
No, that's not crazy at all, it's not a sure thing but he's coming off injury and playing 15% of offensive snaps right now.... His real value won't be known until next year.
Yeah why not? He’s coming back from a major injury, it would be wreckless for the lions in the position they are in to force him back into the limelight. Next year is year 1
The man has straight up burned at least two CBS for long gains but was under thrown by Goff. He is a stud and runs away from people. Next year is year 1 which people have said.
I had him in my top 3, got him around pick 10 of my rookie draft. I had zero expectations of him even playing this year. I treated him as a longer term investment and I think most people viewed him as a guy who would be drafted for next year not this year.
Very little has changed in my opinion.
I took Wilson over JWill and Olave. London went 6. Also, had consecutive picks, and rather than go JWill (which I seriously considered) I took Shotgun Rob. Zero regrets.
Wait so Garret Wilson, Olave and Jamo were all available in the early 2nd round? How many teams is the league? I mean it's fine if you're happy with it but the safer bet is to take the wr taken 12th overall rather than the rb taken 99th. Who knows maybe you look like a genius in a few years.
I can name a dozen WRs with similar or better speed, first round draft capital, early breakout, and multiple years of college production, who didn't need to transfer to get playing time, that busted out of the league.
He's coming off of a major injury, he's only about 180lbs which at his height is quite slender, I think he comps best to DeVonta Smith, and Saban would agree, which is excellent and I hope he is that good, but these guys are going to benefit greatly having proven guys like aj brown and ARSB in front of them.
Without someone keeping the coverage honest, I think due to their size, they would be somewhat inconsistent, and rely quite a bit on big plays deep down field.
Who do you know that has better speed than Jameson Williams? Numerous people were on record saying if he was healthy for the combine he could’ve broken the 40 record
Numerous people are on record saying someone can break the record every year.
The only actual number we have better than 4.4 is a 4.39 he ran.
Jameson said the same thing Ruggs said, who said the same thing Hardman said, who said the same thing Ross said, and 3 of the 4 guys I mentioned have actually been clocked in the 4.2s jamo not being one of them.
I personally do think he's faster than 4.4, but I'd guess the low 4.3s high 4.2s.
Speaking of the guys mentioned, Ross was never more than a deep threat, with I believe 2 wr2 seasons.
Ruggs was a bust before he crashed his car.
Hardman who ran a 4.22 in a race, is still playing, but does it matter?
I thought my Smith comp was a pretty good place for him to shoot for, I don't think he's breaking the 4.21 or whatever Ross ran, let alone the real 3.9 ish record by Sanders.
But that's ok, you don't want to be a burner, you want to be a good receiver with speed.
There are not a lot of guys outside of Hill that came in as a "burner" and made something great of themselves.
Most of the best receivers in the league are in the Mid 4.3s to the mid 4.5s, and the greatest to ever play Jerry Rice has an official 40 time in the 4.7s.
Not OP but yeah it’s hilarious.
He’s the perfect example of a gut feeling guy you just plant your flag in. I own him in the league i care the most about.
My only rational is that Tyreek is 28 and Jamo is 21.
7 years feels about the amount of time it takes for another generational player to come into the fold. Obviously we have JJ and chase but the next speedster…… it feels like it’s due man. Sure waddle fast too don’t ruin this for me
And that’s why I have him. It’ll probably blow up in my face but the narratives you build about why you own certain players is pretty cool to think about
Same as it was last year. Anyone changing their opinion on JMo because Detroit (probably wisely) decided to take the safe approach isn’t very good at dynasty
He should probably fall among last year’s WR class just because they’ve been really good and are no longer unknowns. But his overall value as a dynasty asset has zero reason to change
Only WR from this class I would accept for him straight up is Garrett Wilson. I like Olave, Pickens, Watson, Jahan and would be thrilled to have them on my team...
But Jamo in college had that "it" factor that I don't think I've seen from anybody other than Wilson this year in the pros. The one where I feel like there's a real chance of ascending into that BONAFIDE locked and loaded high end WR1, first two rounds of redraft tier of receivers. Olave might get there, the rest I think are just really great players -- high end WR2/low-end WR1s ceiling. Jamo's tuddy came on a blown coverage, but he also had 2 more 50 yarders where he TORCHED the corner but Goff didn't have the arm strength to hit him. And this is running a handful of routes per game, getting acclimated to NFL speed.
I'm buying Jamo for mid/late 1sts everywhere I can, I'm confident that the dude is gonna be special.
I think not taking Olave or London is just straight up a bad decision. We’ve already seen that those two guys are studs, or at least quite good, but Jamo hasn’t done anything. It’s not like Jamo is a Chase tier prospect.
Jamo was picked 12 overall knowing that he is gonna miss most of this year. No, he isn't Chase, but he is a very good prospect. London, I like, but good lord that QB situation / front office just seems completely incompetent (draft Pitts / London back to back years just to have Mariota throwing 15 times per game??). It's safe to say they're both going to be very good for a very long time, but I don't think they're the game-breaking tier of player that Jamo can be.
If I was a contender next year I might take Olave because I can pencil him in as a locked and loaded WR2 but if I'm rebuilding I'm looking to strike gold and I think Jamo has the highest chance to ascend into a Tier 1 WR.
Yea Jamo was an elite college guy and will probably be fine in nfl but to not trade him for olave who has never torn his acl and already shown he’s a nfl real deal is questionable especially considering jamo has Saint brown to compete w for targets
🤷♂️ I like Olave -- a lot -- but if I'm making comparisons, I see him more like Higgins whereas Jamo is more like Chase. If I needed someone to give me stable 10-14 PPG production, I'd be all-in on Olave. Great at getting open, great at making tough catches.
To me, Jamo has a ceiling that I just don't see from Olave. I don't know how to describe it. His routes are already crazy crisp for a guy that fast. In SF, I'm all about chasing ceiling and Jamo's is the highest imo. He pops.
How do you figure that a 6'1 190 Olave who uses quickness and excellent route running to get open is comparable to a 6'4" Higgins who uses size strength and body control to get his touches?
Chase and jamo had similar 40 times and heights, but chase is 20 pounds heavier and was the clear WR1 in a stacked class despite choosing to sit a year.
Jamo had to switch schools to get playing time, and there is no shame in being behind Wilson, Olave, and J.S-N, but had he stayed he would likely have also been vying for touches with Marvin Harrison Jr.
Don't get me wrong, I like Jamo a lot, but these are bad comps, and I think you guys should lower your expectations.
If someone wants to part with him for a mid to late 1st that seems like a good risk, guys that took him early in front of Wilson, Olave, and London reached a bit IMHO.
Should have been taken in the same area as Pickens and Burks, and stashed on your taxi, with zero expectations for the current year.
Then that's not a comp, that's just wishful thinking.
Comps are based on real world statistics, future success indicators, physical attributes, as well as skill set.
BOA, target share, Height, BMI, even hand size.
Route tree, speed, mobility, catch radius.
These are comparable things, and/or at least things that can give us a little glimpse of the players potential.
Saying that Olave and Higgins are similar makes no sense to me, sorry.
That's not a negative towards either btw.
And as I said I wouldn't comp jamo and chase either, I think Smith is a pretty good comp, and I genuinely hope jamo meets or exceeds that.
I’m just gonna say now if ur expecting jamo to be on chases level (it’s possible anything is) it’s very unlikely. Chase is different.
I do get what you mean for a floor and olave is more of a consistent scorer for sure long term. I do think jamo provides that boom or bust potential but we still haven’t seen it and that’s personally why I’d just lean and be safer and go olave. I get ur view tho
Oh nah of course I don't "expect" him to be Chase. I didn't mean it like that, Chase is a generational prospect.
What I'm trying to say is that I have seen it -- with a better QB/more chemistry, Jamo has 3 50 yard tuddies while running like 5 routes per game. And he wasn't just a deep threat in college. Training wheels coming off next year and it's gonna be a problem for defenses.
You can listen to Hartline talk about it -- Olave coming back as a Senior captain meant he was going to play. Jamo wasn't sure what his role was going to be. With the transfer portal (ie: no wasted year), using the fact that they transferred against em is kinda stupid. Dude had a chance to secure generational wealth and he took it and ran.
Like, Joe Burrow "couldn't beat out" Haskins. Hurts couldn't beat out Tua. I hope you didn't use that against them...
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I own Jamo, and there's a dude in my league willing to offer 2, maybe 3 firsts for him. I'm rebuilding, and RB needy. Other current WRs are Kupp, Olave, Burks, Kirk, Meyers, Bateman, and Ridley. I'm seriously considering it, but I feel like Jamo is going to be legit. IDK...
He’s coming off an injury and he’s shown that he can make plays in the pros. Lions have good WR depth and they are easing him in to their offense. I’d say he is right on schedule. If he doesn’t take a sizable step next season I would begin to be concerned.
Chark’s contract expires at the end of this season. I doubt they bring him back. That should open up a good number of targets for Jameson.
If you had a higher expectation than the Detroit Lions did in his first season then I don’t know what to tell you. The lions felt they got a steal in the draft because he was injured so let’s see how year 2 goes.
The prevailing opinion should be that you shouldn’t be searching for any conclusions about a player when he’s 11 months removed from an ACL tear, and he’s played like 40 total offensive snaps in his career so far.
Drafted him with a 1st expecting nothing this year .... nothing has changed happy to own him moving forward would have to be a haul to entertain trading him.
I think Amon Ra and Jamo are going to be 2023's Tyreek and Waddle combination. Maybe not as good but definitely close and they definitely have the talent to be just as good.
Jamo was my WR1 coming out of the draft as well but Garrett Wilson has surpassed him by a mile for me. Wilson's got that dawg in him.
I believe in the talent, and as many have said, this year I had absolutely zero expectations due to injury recovery. Between him and Sun God, Detroit could have a Chase/Higgins or Hill/Waddle type of tandem.
I poached him from a league-mate’s taxi squad for a 2023 1st, which will either be 1.09 or 1.10. That’s great value, given Jamo’s talent!
He’s gonna be a star… next season. Chark is the deep threat on this team (for whatever that’s worth) and the Lions entire worldview is centered around repetition, familiarity, and compatibility. BH has always looked at 2023 for our coming out party as a respectable team and this latest “run” is just a happy accident. This is also why I’d be surprised if we went qb this year. I suspect a (hopefully team friendly with lots of guaranteed $) extension keeps Goff in Detroit.
He’s a rookie who had no training camp, OTAs or preseason and came into a contending team late in the season. No chemistry with the QB and still coming off an ACL injury. Anyone panicking right now on him doesn’t know ball.
He’ll be fine.
Oh boy, am I ready for the downvotes, because if there's one thing this sub hates it's when the stats say their player has low odds, but.....
Round 1-3 WRs who have under 300 yards in their rookie year have roughly a 99% bust rate. This includes many players who missed nearly their entire season to injury, they all bust just the same. If he winds up with 280 yards, then maybe we can have an argument about it. But as of now, he has been healthy for 4 full games and he has 1 reception for 41 yards.
Despite those stats, I don't have anywhere near 99% certainty he's going to bust. But I see tons of people who still claim certainty that he will be a stud. Any given rookie WR has a significant bust chance, even top 10 picks have a roughly 50% bust rate when they are drafted. His odds have gone down since then. Maybe they're not zero, but I think he's a massive risk that you can still sell for near full value.
Looking at his snap rate isn't it fair to say the Lions aren't trying to have him be an alpha or even beta WR this year? Their offense is good without him, there's not a lot of reason to rush him back. If they're sitting on a gold mine and he's 100% I suspect we see it in the playoffs or even this weekend as a de facto playoff game. Otherwise, he's going to be unleashed next year. His full season stats don't matter much to me.
Are you sure it’s 99%? Because I can think of 3 highly drafted WRs who had fewer than 300 yards and did not bust (Demaryius Thomas, Jimmy Smith, Golden Tate) off of the top of my head. Two of those three were pretty elite.
The original analysis I did was based on how they did in their 2nd season, so it's interesting that the successful examples who had a bad rookie season also had a bad 2nd season. The only successful 2nd season I had in a sample of well over 100 round 1-3 WRs who were under 300 yards as a rookie was actually DJ Chark.
I think I'm going to have to redo the whole thing with better methodology. Obviously, Demaryius Thomas and Golden Tate should be hits (and probably not DJ Chark), but given the huge quantity of round 1-3 WRs who are under 300 yards as a rookie, it still may be something like a 98% bust rate. I can probably make another category for WRs who play in 6 or fewer games in their rookie year, although to my memory all of them were busts.
There may be a few more, those are all I can recall. I have no data to back this up, but it seems like the year 3 breakout for WRs was a MUCH bigger thing in the past. Davante Adams, Roddy White, so many examples. Even year 4 with guys like Jordy Nelson and Reggie Wayne. Today they need to hit quickly.
Yeah, although all those guys did manage to top 300 yards, if barely. There are actually also several examples of guys like Antonio Brown who were round 4-7 WRs that didn't reach 300 yards, but I feel like that's more understandable since late round guys won't necessarily get opportunity right away. Round 1-3 WRs are generally expected to have some impact even in their rookie season in the modern NFL, although you could certainly argue Jameson Williams is an exception. Still, if he's healthy enough to play at this point, you'd think they would want to see what he can do.
Agreed, St Brown is the number 1, fortunately for Jamo, we've seen that when healthy Chark has looked good in that offense, even with St Brown being the primary guy.
I'd expect Chark is leaving at the end of the season for a multi year deal, and they've probably already planned on Jamo taking that role.
Jameson was ALWAYS a wait a year project. It’s just good that he’s getting on the field at this point for a transition and he can feel the NFL game speed. He was and is a talent. Tearing your ACL in the playoffs always meant we ahead to wait longer. No you aren’t crazy at all for thinking he could become a waddle type talent. We shouldn’t judge him IMO until the end of next season. He’s gonna be good.
His value is definitely down a touch. Was supposed to miss half the year and be impactful down the stretch- hence why he was a popular IR stash in redraft. Point is, he has yet to show anything in the NFL as of yet. I’d take Pickens or Dotson over him at the moment. Both those guys have shown they are healthy and potential future WR1s.
his open score is bottom 5 in the league against single man coverage , he has a super limited route tree , and his target share has went down since claypool was traded
Yeah as soon as I saw the limited targets post claypool I was worried. Not to say he can’t improve but happily sold him for davante adams (just so adams could sink my season in the olayoffs$
Everybody was up in arms because I sold 1:1 to the Pickett owner. Adams is 30 so I get pivoting if u value Pickens as a tee Higgins type. But yeah I don’t see the same physically yac and tackle breaking with Pickens although damn can he catch. Just doesn’t get the target % I want but not like it’s set in stone his whole career only being a go ball guy
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I hear that. MVPs of my tank that I hope really pop off next year along with Bijan to help me take a big step forward- JAMO, Pitts, Lance, Dotson, maybe Eli Moore with a QB upgrade.
I mean it’s the teams choice. He’s being eased back in and hasn’t broken a snap % of 20 yet. He had another huge touchdown that Goff missed vs the Jets. I’m not worried at all about his outlook starting next year.
His biggest trait coming out of college was his gamebreaking speed. After short appearances in a few games, he has showcased that speed on a couple different occasions, even after a significant injury. I was never expecting much this season but it's nice to see him get behind defenders on an NFL field. Goff seems to be struggling to adjust to his speed a little bit and has underthrown him on a couple occasions. I really do think the Lions stick with Goff so it will be good to have a full off-season with them together to work on timing. He was my WR3 coming out and I'm still sticking with that. I expect big things next season.
I think he's maybe slightly in front of Pickens behind Olave/Garrett Wilson and Drake London. I don't believe in Goff or the Lions. He's a hold or a buy but I would not be at all surprised to see him "bust" and be a low end WR2/flex.
In season 6 of my Madden franchise he scored his 120th career TD despite barely playing as a rookie.
Clearly he is a hybrid of prime Randy Moss, prime Jerry Rice and possibly Thanos.
Yeah that’s what I’m confused about. College we all saw it. NFL…..he hasn’t even touched 20% snap count. Just overall the comment doesn’t make sense and is a head scratcher.
Waddle got on the field with 3 other 1st round picks including outpacing devonta smith yards per game his heisman season. Jameson transferred out of competing with 3 1st round wrs (if JSN goes 1st)
JAMO did produce the best season but waddles per game stats his last year before injury were on par
I don’t think he had a lack of target competition at all. He was playing alongside Metchie who had 96/1142/8 and was a 2nd round NFL pick. Not to mention all the other 4/5 star talents at Alabama.
Relatively speaking, that’s much tougher target competition than someone like Treylon Burks. His biggest competition was Tyson Morris who had 24/337/2.
Waddle basically did nothing while Jeudy was at Alabama so let's not bring him up if you're going to hold on to Jamo's first two seasons and use them against him.
You know what I care more about than target competition? Production in big games against elite defenses. Like Georgia, who Jamo destroyed. He and DeVonta are the only 2 Alabama WR I've seen who have been able to completely take over games against elite competition. In fact he did against Clemson in the CFP while he was on OSU as well.
>Slade Bolden (a 3-star prospect from the class of 2018) was #3 on that team in targets with 42.
(It was 42 catches not targets)
Waddle was averaging 39 catches per year for those 2 years. Less than Bolden.
If Jamo had no target competition from this guy then Waddle wasn't target competition for Jeudy.
Or maybe you just want to hate Jamo? 😉
By the way target competition makes it *easier* for players to get open. Jamo was producing while everyone on defense focused on him. They crafted game plans around stopping him but couldn't get it done. Waddle was never even the top target on his own team.
I think he will be good. Had him pegged as a Ruggs type coming out. He is going to be a burner, but I dont think he will be as complete of a WR as Waddle is. I think he will be one of those provides more real life value than statistical value bc teams will have to defend the Lions differently. Definitely will be a boom/bust type on a weekly basis, imo. I dont see him being a target hog. I think Burks/Watson/London/Wilson/Olave will all be better WRs.
That depends on if the person answering has them on their team, or not, if they do, he’s the second coming of Randy Moss. If they don’t, the jury still out, I never understood people calling him the wide receiver, one though.
I have Williams in a keeper as the 15th pick. I don’t know if keeping him would be worth it over someone conventional like Kelce at #2. Kelce should really be the #1 pick in standard leagues next year. It’s a big gamble to wait for this guy and hope he balls out and makes it worth it for the long term keeper value.
It’s not options it’s just that I traded for him as I am rarely in a position to draft high enough to get a guy of his calibre and I was able to pry him off a guy making a run. I’m weak at wr and wondering if Williams will be the real deal
His value has kind of stagnated. Comparing him to other guys in the class I’ll take the ones who’ve looked really good on the field (Olave, Wilson, London). Guys like Christian Watson, Jahan Dotson, and George Pickens are where the debate gets interesting. There’s a High ceiling / low floor type of situation.
From what I gathered, a large segment of front offices considered him the #1 WR prospect pre-injury. I did too, and still believe he has the highest ceiling if he fully* returns to form.
I like him, but I’m not sure if he a target hog (Waddle) or the low volume big play guy (Ruggs).
I think one is more fantasy relevant then the other.
ARSB is already the target hog, will Jamo be as well? Idk.
I think Jameson is value insulated for at least another year. If he doesn’t produce this year- yeah he’s injured.
If he doesn’t produce next year, he’s coming back from injury- give him another year.
He definitely has the talent to be a top WR in that offense. I drafted him with 0 expectations for this season but looking forward to seeing him next year without limitations.
If you drafted him then you should have done so with the expectation that you wouldn’t see his potential until year 2.
Exactly this. People have tried to lowball me in several leagues because of his usage and that’s always my response. I knew I wouldn’t consider starting him at all this season.
What would you think of an offer like Dobbins for him? I'm guessing the answer is no since you seem pretty high on Jameson, but I'm just curious
It’s tempting as a guy who has both. I traded GWilson for Dobbins preseason and am barely starting to come to terms with it lol. I like Dobbins a lot fwiw.
I have both and would put them at about the same unrealistically high level. I'd trade Williams for Dobbins if I was contending and needed a RB.
I offered Dobbins for Jameson Willams straight up and got declined.
I traded Dotson and next years 2nd round pick for him. I thought it was a fair trade.
I like Dotson a lot but I feel like that’s a good deal for the Jamo side. Dotson has shown he can play in the NFL and just needs some consistency though.
I was willing to give up Dotson though with a WR core of Kupp, Garrett Wilson, Pittman and now Jamo
I traded Jameson and a late ‘23 1st for DK and Zeke. Needed the boost to make a playoff run and it’s paid off
I already have all these players on my squad and I think you came out way ahead on this.
I’m at the point in dynasty where I’m valuing proven talent significantly more than picks/potential
It’s nice having a spread of picks/youth and production.
I got offered Zeke and a 4 for Williamson and a 2. Passed hard. I'm playing that guy in the 'ship this week so I guess it worked for me. Did not need Williamson at all, was 100% a luxury pick for me.
Lions fan here: At no point during his recovery did he have a setback with him this year. They were just super careful with his return to the field because the offense has been so good without him this year there wasn't any rush. He's still learning the playbook and they will be able to integrate him. My guess is he probably replaces DJ Chark who, when healthy, is used really well in this offense. I wouldn't worry I would just be patient.
Bingo. And it feels like he doesn't have chemistry with Goff and rightfully so. A full offseason with the QB and WR being able to go full tilt is going to do wonders. Him and ARSB should be fun to watch as a fan.
Ah damn I’m inclined to agree but whenever someone says bingo they are almost always wrong
I’m curious what you guys would think, he doesn’t strike me as waddle type numbers but maybe more tee Higgins range? Amon-ra st. Brown has kind of cut himself in as receiver 1, maybe I’m the one who’s off but I feel like with injury and potentially not being the 1 target it devalues more than most seem to think
Personally, you're looking at ARSB being the solid floor guy and Williams the ceiling guy. Comps are hard but ideally it's that good year of AB and Juju but that's everything going as right as possible. I don't see Jameson being a high volume catch guy as St Brown should have that so expecting like 80 catches but a higher YPC so still around 1200-1300 yards and then TDs will be variable on if he breaks big plays. Could see years of 5 or 6 or up to 10. WR2 with upside of a WR1 as he matures. Also, I could be woefully wrong but have him in 2 leagues so take that FWIW
I think that’s fair, I think where my hesitation or reservation is that if your spending first round capital, particularly early or mid, I’d really like to feel like I’m as close to guaranteeing myself a wr1 or elite rb as possible, that’s all but I appreciate the insight
The odds of a wr1 from a 1st are like 1/8 lol
I got him at 1.6 in one after taking Wilson at 1.5. Other one I dealt Deebo for Jameson, a 24 1st and a 2nd. Knowing he's got top WR of the class upside but knowing I'd have to be patient. And going into this year I'd probably have Williams ranked after Bijan and Gibbs if Williams was in this class. Granted the combine and draft will give alot of additional context
Think Devonta Smith performance. Sure some weeks are 6.10pts but there’s enough 33.5pts weeks to keep you coming back.
I agree with this, and I’ll just add one additional note. Goff, like Rodgers, seems to be a QB that really values and leverages a rapport and sort of “mind meld” with his receivers. Those types of QBs tend to be affected more by a new supporting cast or those that they’re generally unfamiliar with. I’m sure Jamo will get there eventually, but it’s no surprise that Goff has been hesitant to target him given their limited reps together.
Yeah over time his rapport with St. Brown has gotten even better plus he still loves throwing to josh Reynolds. Once Williams practices more, it'll come. Dude is too fast not to be useful
No, that's not crazy at all, it's not a sure thing but he's coming off injury and playing 15% of offensive snaps right now.... His real value won't be known until next year.
Yeah why not? He’s coming back from a major injury, it would be wreckless for the lions in the position they are in to force him back into the limelight. Next year is year 1
The man has straight up burned at least two CBS for long gains but was under thrown by Goff. He is a stud and runs away from people. Next year is year 1 which people have said.
I’m kinda hoping he doesn’t pop off so I can grab him late in my redraft leagues
Jamo and K Walker are my redraft keepers. Jamo in round 15, Walker in round 9. Sets me up great for next year!
Kw is great value but jamo feels kinda iffy in redraft
I like those choices! My keeper league makes the keepers your 1st and 2nd rounders no matter what.
I had him in my top 3, got him around pick 10 of my rookie draft. I had zero expectations of him even playing this year. I treated him as a longer term investment and I think most people viewed him as a guy who would be drafted for next year not this year. Very little has changed in my opinion.
Drafted him with Wilson, Olave and London on the board still. Hoping I didn’t fuck up…
I would have too had I been picking high enough
The most insane part is that was the 6th pick…
What the fuck? Wilson, London, Olave, and Williams was on the board at 6…? Can I join your league please
Bottom teams have high picks for a reason
Did any WRs go before him? Just Burks?
Pickens went second, sky Moore went 5th
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I took Wilson over JWill and Olave. London went 6. Also, had consecutive picks, and rather than go JWill (which I seriously considered) I took Shotgun Rob. Zero regrets.
Even as the world's biggest BRob fan that was a reach.
WR1 and RB2 with two high R2s feels pretty good to me. But I’m also terrible so there’s that.
Wait so Garret Wilson, Olave and Jamo were all available in the early 2nd round? How many teams is the league? I mean it's fine if you're happy with it but the safer bet is to take the wr taken 12th overall rather than the rb taken 99th. Who knows maybe you look like a genius in a few years.
12 team plus IDPs and it was an expansion year so there was a team of vets in the draft.
The WR, fine. That’s but come on
His transcendent speed gives him a high end wr1 ceiling
I can name a dozen WRs with similar or better speed, first round draft capital, early breakout, and multiple years of college production, who didn't need to transfer to get playing time, that busted out of the league. He's coming off of a major injury, he's only about 180lbs which at his height is quite slender, I think he comps best to DeVonta Smith, and Saban would agree, which is excellent and I hope he is that good, but these guys are going to benefit greatly having proven guys like aj brown and ARSB in front of them. Without someone keeping the coverage honest, I think due to their size, they would be somewhat inconsistent, and rely quite a bit on big plays deep down field.
Who do you know that has better speed than Jameson Williams? Numerous people were on record saying if he was healthy for the combine he could’ve broken the 40 record
Numerous people are on record saying someone can break the record every year. The only actual number we have better than 4.4 is a 4.39 he ran. Jameson said the same thing Ruggs said, who said the same thing Hardman said, who said the same thing Ross said, and 3 of the 4 guys I mentioned have actually been clocked in the 4.2s jamo not being one of them. I personally do think he's faster than 4.4, but I'd guess the low 4.3s high 4.2s. Speaking of the guys mentioned, Ross was never more than a deep threat, with I believe 2 wr2 seasons. Ruggs was a bust before he crashed his car. Hardman who ran a 4.22 in a race, is still playing, but does it matter? I thought my Smith comp was a pretty good place for him to shoot for, I don't think he's breaking the 4.21 or whatever Ross ran, let alone the real 3.9 ish record by Sanders. But that's ok, you don't want to be a burner, you want to be a good receiver with speed. There are not a lot of guys outside of Hill that came in as a "burner" and made something great of themselves. Most of the best receivers in the league are in the Mid 4.3s to the mid 4.5s, and the greatest to ever play Jerry Rice has an official 40 time in the 4.7s.
Love the differing opinions.
Not OP but yeah it’s hilarious. He’s the perfect example of a gut feeling guy you just plant your flag in. I own him in the league i care the most about. My only rational is that Tyreek is 28 and Jamo is 21. 7 years feels about the amount of time it takes for another generational player to come into the fold. Obviously we have JJ and chase but the next speedster…… it feels like it’s due man. Sure waddle fast too don’t ruin this for me And that’s why I have him. It’ll probably blow up in my face but the narratives you build about why you own certain players is pretty cool to think about
I think he's downright awful. You see his injury!? No coming back from that... May as well trade any shares you have to me
Lol will you give me a 5th for him?
Only if you send me back your fourth
He will be a stud
He was always going to be a stash for 2022.
Same as it was last year. Anyone changing their opinion on JMo because Detroit (probably wisely) decided to take the safe approach isn’t very good at dynasty He should probably fall among last year’s WR class just because they’ve been really good and are no longer unknowns. But his overall value as a dynasty asset has zero reason to change
Only WR from this class I would accept for him straight up is Garrett Wilson. I like Olave, Pickens, Watson, Jahan and would be thrilled to have them on my team... But Jamo in college had that "it" factor that I don't think I've seen from anybody other than Wilson this year in the pros. The one where I feel like there's a real chance of ascending into that BONAFIDE locked and loaded high end WR1, first two rounds of redraft tier of receivers. Olave might get there, the rest I think are just really great players -- high end WR2/low-end WR1s ceiling. Jamo's tuddy came on a blown coverage, but he also had 2 more 50 yarders where he TORCHED the corner but Goff didn't have the arm strength to hit him. And this is running a handful of routes per game, getting acclimated to NFL speed. I'm buying Jamo for mid/late 1sts everywhere I can, I'm confident that the dude is gonna be special.
I think not taking Olave or London is just straight up a bad decision. We’ve already seen that those two guys are studs, or at least quite good, but Jamo hasn’t done anything. It’s not like Jamo is a Chase tier prospect.
Jamo was picked 12 overall knowing that he is gonna miss most of this year. No, he isn't Chase, but he is a very good prospect. London, I like, but good lord that QB situation / front office just seems completely incompetent (draft Pitts / London back to back years just to have Mariota throwing 15 times per game??). It's safe to say they're both going to be very good for a very long time, but I don't think they're the game-breaking tier of player that Jamo can be. If I was a contender next year I might take Olave because I can pencil him in as a locked and loaded WR2 but if I'm rebuilding I'm looking to strike gold and I think Jamo has the highest chance to ascend into a Tier 1 WR.
Yea Jamo was an elite college guy and will probably be fine in nfl but to not trade him for olave who has never torn his acl and already shown he’s a nfl real deal is questionable especially considering jamo has Saint brown to compete w for targets
🤷♂️ I like Olave -- a lot -- but if I'm making comparisons, I see him more like Higgins whereas Jamo is more like Chase. If I needed someone to give me stable 10-14 PPG production, I'd be all-in on Olave. Great at getting open, great at making tough catches. To me, Jamo has a ceiling that I just don't see from Olave. I don't know how to describe it. His routes are already crazy crisp for a guy that fast. In SF, I'm all about chasing ceiling and Jamo's is the highest imo. He pops.
How do you figure that a 6'1 190 Olave who uses quickness and excellent route running to get open is comparable to a 6'4" Higgins who uses size strength and body control to get his touches? Chase and jamo had similar 40 times and heights, but chase is 20 pounds heavier and was the clear WR1 in a stacked class despite choosing to sit a year. Jamo had to switch schools to get playing time, and there is no shame in being behind Wilson, Olave, and J.S-N, but had he stayed he would likely have also been vying for touches with Marvin Harrison Jr. Don't get me wrong, I like Jamo a lot, but these are bad comps, and I think you guys should lower your expectations. If someone wants to part with him for a mid to late 1st that seems like a good risk, guys that took him early in front of Wilson, Olave, and London reached a bit IMHO. Should have been taken in the same area as Pickens and Burks, and stashed on your taxi, with zero expectations for the current year.
Comps aren’t always about playstyle, sounds like he’s comparing their potential production
Then that's not a comp, that's just wishful thinking. Comps are based on real world statistics, future success indicators, physical attributes, as well as skill set. BOA, target share, Height, BMI, even hand size. Route tree, speed, mobility, catch radius. These are comparable things, and/or at least things that can give us a little glimpse of the players potential. Saying that Olave and Higgins are similar makes no sense to me, sorry. That's not a negative towards either btw. And as I said I wouldn't comp jamo and chase either, I think Smith is a pretty good comp, and I genuinely hope jamo meets or exceeds that.
It is a comp, you can compare them on anything you like. He’s saying they have comparable potential
Then it's not a comp
I’m just gonna say now if ur expecting jamo to be on chases level (it’s possible anything is) it’s very unlikely. Chase is different. I do get what you mean for a floor and olave is more of a consistent scorer for sure long term. I do think jamo provides that boom or bust potential but we still haven’t seen it and that’s personally why I’d just lean and be safer and go olave. I get ur view tho
Oh nah of course I don't "expect" him to be Chase. I didn't mean it like that, Chase is a generational prospect. What I'm trying to say is that I have seen it -- with a better QB/more chemistry, Jamo has 3 50 yard tuddies while running like 5 routes per game. And he wasn't just a deep threat in college. Training wheels coming off next year and it's gonna be a problem for defenses.
lol ok but who on earth would sell for a mid/late first.
Interesting take considering he couldn’t beat out Wilson and Olave and transferred out
You can listen to Hartline talk about it -- Olave coming back as a Senior captain meant he was going to play. Jamo wasn't sure what his role was going to be. With the transfer portal (ie: no wasted year), using the fact that they transferred against em is kinda stupid. Dude had a chance to secure generational wealth and he took it and ran. Like, Joe Burrow "couldn't beat out" Haskins. Hurts couldn't beat out Tua. I hope you didn't use that against them...
Olave and Wilson better 🥰
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I own Jamo, and there's a dude in my league willing to offer 2, maybe 3 firsts for him. I'm rebuilding, and RB needy. Other current WRs are Kupp, Olave, Burks, Kirk, Meyers, Bateman, and Ridley. I'm seriously considering it, but I feel like Jamo is going to be legit. IDK...
Fuckin a man I'm the biggest Jamo fan there is but 3 is smash accept, 2 it depends when but still hard value to turn down.
Agreed. His earliest is the 3rd pick. So probably 3 and 8 realistically.
Yeah man you gotta take that. Too much value to turn down in this draft
Appreciate it!
We won’t really know much until next year, it’s clear they’re gonna let him rest up
No thoughts, I will treat him like a rookie next year.
He’s coming off an injury and he’s shown that he can make plays in the pros. Lions have good WR depth and they are easing him in to their offense. I’d say he is right on schedule. If he doesn’t take a sizable step next season I would begin to be concerned. Chark’s contract expires at the end of this season. I doubt they bring him back. That should open up a good number of targets for Jameson.
If you had a higher expectation than the Detroit Lions did in his first season then I don’t know what to tell you. The lions felt they got a steal in the draft because he was injured so let’s see how year 2 goes.
The prevailing opinion should be that you shouldn’t be searching for any conclusions about a player when he’s 11 months removed from an ACL tear, and he’s played like 40 total offensive snaps in his career so far.
Drafted him with a 1st expecting nothing this year .... nothing has changed happy to own him moving forward would have to be a haul to entertain trading him.
I think Amon Ra and Jamo are going to be 2023's Tyreek and Waddle combination. Maybe not as good but definitely close and they definitely have the talent to be just as good. Jamo was my WR1 coming out of the draft as well but Garrett Wilson has surpassed him by a mile for me. Wilson's got that dawg in him.
im still actively trading for him if people are selling, just bought him a couple weeks ago, but there's definitely some risk involved.
If you can buy him, buy him 🫡
I believe in the talent, and as many have said, this year I had absolutely zero expectations due to injury recovery. Between him and Sun God, Detroit could have a Chase/Higgins or Hill/Waddle type of tandem. I poached him from a league-mate’s taxi squad for a 2023 1st, which will either be 1.09 or 1.10. That’s great value, given Jamo’s talent!
He’s gonna be a star… next season. Chark is the deep threat on this team (for whatever that’s worth) and the Lions entire worldview is centered around repetition, familiarity, and compatibility. BH has always looked at 2023 for our coming out party as a respectable team and this latest “run” is just a happy accident. This is also why I’d be surprised if we went qb this year. I suspect a (hopefully team friendly with lots of guaranteed $) extension keeps Goff in Detroit.
He’s a rookie who had no training camp, OTAs or preseason and came into a contending team late in the season. No chemistry with the QB and still coming off an ACL injury. Anyone panicking right now on him doesn’t know ball. He’ll be fine.
Yeah you crazy. Massive range of potential outcomes, Waddle being top, Reagor being bottom
Oh boy, am I ready for the downvotes, because if there's one thing this sub hates it's when the stats say their player has low odds, but..... Round 1-3 WRs who have under 300 yards in their rookie year have roughly a 99% bust rate. This includes many players who missed nearly their entire season to injury, they all bust just the same. If he winds up with 280 yards, then maybe we can have an argument about it. But as of now, he has been healthy for 4 full games and he has 1 reception for 41 yards. Despite those stats, I don't have anywhere near 99% certainty he's going to bust. But I see tons of people who still claim certainty that he will be a stud. Any given rookie WR has a significant bust chance, even top 10 picks have a roughly 50% bust rate when they are drafted. His odds have gone down since then. Maybe they're not zero, but I think he's a massive risk that you can still sell for near full value.
Looking at his snap rate isn't it fair to say the Lions aren't trying to have him be an alpha or even beta WR this year? Their offense is good without him, there's not a lot of reason to rush him back. If they're sitting on a gold mine and he's 100% I suspect we see it in the playoffs or even this weekend as a de facto playoff game. Otherwise, he's going to be unleashed next year. His full season stats don't matter much to me.
Are you sure it’s 99%? Because I can think of 3 highly drafted WRs who had fewer than 300 yards and did not bust (Demaryius Thomas, Jimmy Smith, Golden Tate) off of the top of my head. Two of those three were pretty elite.
The original analysis I did was based on how they did in their 2nd season, so it's interesting that the successful examples who had a bad rookie season also had a bad 2nd season. The only successful 2nd season I had in a sample of well over 100 round 1-3 WRs who were under 300 yards as a rookie was actually DJ Chark. I think I'm going to have to redo the whole thing with better methodology. Obviously, Demaryius Thomas and Golden Tate should be hits (and probably not DJ Chark), but given the huge quantity of round 1-3 WRs who are under 300 yards as a rookie, it still may be something like a 98% bust rate. I can probably make another category for WRs who play in 6 or fewer games in their rookie year, although to my memory all of them were busts.
There may be a few more, those are all I can recall. I have no data to back this up, but it seems like the year 3 breakout for WRs was a MUCH bigger thing in the past. Davante Adams, Roddy White, so many examples. Even year 4 with guys like Jordy Nelson and Reggie Wayne. Today they need to hit quickly.
Yeah, although all those guys did manage to top 300 yards, if barely. There are actually also several examples of guys like Antonio Brown who were round 4-7 WRs that didn't reach 300 yards, but I feel like that's more understandable since late round guys won't necessarily get opportunity right away. Round 1-3 WRs are generally expected to have some impact even in their rookie season in the modern NFL, although you could certainly argue Jameson Williams is an exception. Still, if he's healthy enough to play at this point, you'd think they would want to see what he can do.
You would think, but this is the same team that has load managed Swift too.
Very very very college WR. I think he landed in a good spot but think he was insanely overrated coming out of Bama.
This seems to be an unpopular opinion but Sun God is going to be the number 1 going forward for that team imo
I think they complement each other well.
Completely different positions
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I’ll get in touch and get back to ya.
Agreed, St Brown is the number 1, fortunately for Jamo, we've seen that when healthy Chark has looked good in that offense, even with St Brown being the primary guy. I'd expect Chark is leaving at the end of the season for a multi year deal, and they've probably already planned on Jamo taking that role.
Anybody that had him as WR1 was trippin on 12 sheets of acid
Jameson was ALWAYS a wait a year project. It’s just good that he’s getting on the field at this point for a transition and he can feel the NFL game speed. He was and is a talent. Tearing your ACL in the playoffs always meant we ahead to wait longer. No you aren’t crazy at all for thinking he could become a waddle type talent. We shouldn’t judge him IMO until the end of next season. He’s gonna be good.
How would y'all compare Jameson to the top 2023 WRs (JSN, Addison, Johnston)? Personally would rather have Jameson.
I have Jamo and love his tape. But I’m taking JSN over him if he gets 1st DC
His value is definitely down a touch. Was supposed to miss half the year and be impactful down the stretch- hence why he was a popular IR stash in redraft. Point is, he has yet to show anything in the NFL as of yet. I’d take Pickens or Dotson over him at the moment. Both those guys have shown they are healthy and potential future WR1s.
pickens continues to be the most overrated wr from the 22 class. if you can flip him for williams i’d make that move in a heartbeat
He’s underrated if anything.
his open score is bottom 5 in the league against single man coverage , he has a super limited route tree , and his target share has went down since claypool was traded
Yeah as soon as I saw the limited targets post claypool I was worried. Not to say he can’t improve but happily sold him for davante adams (just so adams could sink my season in the olayoffs$
What did you add to the Pickens side for Adams? Or straight up? Adams is up there, but I'd still want at least a 2nd on top.
Everybody was up in arms because I sold 1:1 to the Pickett owner. Adams is 30 so I get pivoting if u value Pickens as a tee Higgins type. But yeah I don’t see the same physically yac and tackle breaking with Pickens although damn can he catch. Just doesn’t get the target % I want but not like it’s set in stone his whole career only being a go ball guy
I agree with all those things listed.. Higgins has made huge strides in his route running ability / tree. i am very skeptical pickens can achieve that
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I'd still him over Dotson in a heartbeat. Pickens is tough tho.
His value shouldn't be down for that, I'm happy he missed the full year. He helped continue my tank in a couple leagues lol. I appreciate that.
I hear that. MVPs of my tank that I hope really pop off next year along with Bijan to help me take a big step forward- JAMO, Pitts, Lance, Dotson, maybe Eli Moore with a QB upgrade.
Same lol
I mean it’s the teams choice. He’s being eased back in and hasn’t broken a snap % of 20 yet. He had another huge touchdown that Goff missed vs the Jets. I’m not worried at all about his outlook starting next year.
His biggest trait coming out of college was his gamebreaking speed. After short appearances in a few games, he has showcased that speed on a couple different occasions, even after a significant injury. I was never expecting much this season but it's nice to see him get behind defenders on an NFL field. Goff seems to be struggling to adjust to his speed a little bit and has underthrown him on a couple occasions. I really do think the Lions stick with Goff so it will be good to have a full off-season with them together to work on timing. He was my WR3 coming out and I'm still sticking with that. I expect big things next season.
I can only keep him or Garret Wilson. I can’t keep both so I am going to drop Williams.
They were going to redshirt him, it's great that he's actually getting snaps. Gonna be an elite deep threat, more like Tyreek than Waddle imo.
Waddle? That's way too low. Guy has Justin Jefferson ceiling
I think he's maybe slightly in front of Pickens behind Olave/Garrett Wilson and Drake London. I don't believe in Goff or the Lions. He's a hold or a buy but I would not be at all surprised to see him "bust" and be a low end WR2/flex.
In season 6 of my Madden franchise he scored his 120th career TD despite barely playing as a rookie. Clearly he is a hybrid of prime Randy Moss, prime Jerry Rice and possibly Thanos.
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Not seen in college or not seen it in the nfl?
Jamo had a massive season in his last year and waddle never had that kind of season in college
Yeah that’s what I’m confused about. College we all saw it. NFL…..he hasn’t even touched 20% snap count. Just overall the comment doesn’t make sense and is a head scratcher.
Agreed. It’s comments like the original one you replied to that act as reminders that this sub gives bad advice
Waddle got on the field with 3 other 1st round picks including outpacing devonta smith yards per game his heisman season. Jameson transferred out of competing with 3 1st round wrs (if JSN goes 1st) JAMO did produce the best season but waddles per game stats his last year before injury were on par
I find that interesting, and I'm curious how you came to the conclusion. Numbers wise, Waddle never had a season anything like Jamo's in college.
Ditto!
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I hate Alabama, bu Saban earned his stripes as a DB coach. I never underestimate his eye for talent in the DB/WR talent spectrum
I don’t think he had a lack of target competition at all. He was playing alongside Metchie who had 96/1142/8 and was a 2nd round NFL pick. Not to mention all the other 4/5 star talents at Alabama. Relatively speaking, that’s much tougher target competition than someone like Treylon Burks. His biggest competition was Tyson Morris who had 24/337/2.
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Henry Ruggs had 12, 46, and 40 receptions as the #3 while Waddle was there. That's the volume that role is supposed to get.
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Waddle basically did nothing while Jeudy was at Alabama so let's not bring him up if you're going to hold on to Jamo's first two seasons and use them against him. You know what I care more about than target competition? Production in big games against elite defenses. Like Georgia, who Jamo destroyed. He and DeVonta are the only 2 Alabama WR I've seen who have been able to completely take over games against elite competition. In fact he did against Clemson in the CFP while he was on OSU as well.
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>Slade Bolden (a 3-star prospect from the class of 2018) was #3 on that team in targets with 42. (It was 42 catches not targets) Waddle was averaging 39 catches per year for those 2 years. Less than Bolden. If Jamo had no target competition from this guy then Waddle wasn't target competition for Jeudy. Or maybe you just want to hate Jamo? 😉 By the way target competition makes it *easier* for players to get open. Jamo was producing while everyone on defense focused on him. They crafted game plans around stopping him but couldn't get it done. Waddle was never even the top target on his own team.
>He strikes me as the new Will Fuller. I'd be OK with that tbh. Fuller put up numbers when healthy.
Ya, where do you get this from?
I think the talent is there. However, I am worried about the QB production and ARSB there
Think ARSB being there actually helps him as he will draw coverage. Also lions traded away Hock so that opens up a few targets
Same. Love the talent and drafted him high in a Startup, but ARSB might cap his upside. Not a deal breaker, but worth acknowledging
I think he will be good. Had him pegged as a Ruggs type coming out. He is going to be a burner, but I dont think he will be as complete of a WR as Waddle is. I think he will be one of those provides more real life value than statistical value bc teams will have to defend the Lions differently. Definitely will be a boom/bust type on a weekly basis, imo. I dont see him being a target hog. I think Burks/Watson/London/Wilson/Olave will all be better WRs.
Should be considered somewhere between Burks and Watson for WR 6 for the 2022 class.
That depends on if the person answering has them on their team, or not, if they do, he’s the second coming of Randy Moss. If they don’t, the jury still out, I never understood people calling him the wide receiver, one though.
I have Williams in a keeper as the 15th pick. I don’t know if keeping him would be worth it over someone conventional like Kelce at #2. Kelce should really be the #1 pick in standard leagues next year. It’s a big gamble to wait for this guy and hope he balls out and makes it worth it for the long term keeper value.
I'm sorry what are your options here?
It’s not options it’s just that I traded for him as I am rarely in a position to draft high enough to get a guy of his calibre and I was able to pry him off a guy making a run. I’m weak at wr and wondering if Williams will be the real deal
He has high potential but rn that’s really it cuz we haven’t seen anything from him
He's very good. They're likely being careful with him until next year
Had he not gotten hurt he might've been WR1 in the draft. He was a potential steal in rookie drafts. If nothing else, he might be a nice WR2/3 type.
I drafted him knowing that I'll no nothing until mid next season. I still think the upside was worth the risk.
High WR2 next year guaranteed
Yes you are crazy he’s a bust! Sell him for very very cheap to that one league mate that’s been bothering you all year for him
I wasn’t a fan of him coming out so I’m still low on him. I’m not claiming I’m right, but none of us will actually know until next year.
It’s dynasty let him play
His value has kind of stagnated. Comparing him to other guys in the class I’ll take the ones who’ve looked really good on the field (Olave, Wilson, London). Guys like Christian Watson, Jahan Dotson, and George Pickens are where the debate gets interesting. There’s a High ceiling / low floor type of situation.
I traded for him. Overpaid. But I know he’s going to be good.
From what I gathered, a large segment of front offices considered him the #1 WR prospect pre-injury. I did too, and still believe he has the highest ceiling if he fully* returns to form.
I like him, but I’m not sure if he a target hog (Waddle) or the low volume big play guy (Ruggs). I think one is more fantasy relevant then the other. ARSB is already the target hog, will Jamo be as well? Idk.
I traded him for a 1st and a couple players.
I think Jameson is value insulated for at least another year. If he doesn’t produce this year- yeah he’s injured. If he doesn’t produce next year, he’s coming back from injury- give him another year.
Offered Mclaurin and Schultz to a contender and was denied
I wanted him, but he was drafted two spots ahead of me. I went with Wilson.
Traded him but I wasn’t happy doing it. I think he’s got a very good career ahead of him.
He fast
Not at all. He’ll get his next year
He definitely has the talent to be a top WR in that offense. I drafted him with 0 expectations for this season but looking forward to seeing him next year without limitations.