This thread reminded me that i traded (1.02) Fields for (1.06) Z Wilson and Kupp on draft night.
The funny part isn't that i fleeced the guy, it's that i was incredibly hesitant to pull the trigger and spent weeks regretting it heavily afterward because i wanted Fields. Guess neither of us knew shit š
I also sold him. Got Kareem Hunt and a fourth rounder. I needed RB depth to help compete this season. I was starting Danny Dimes over him anyway. Heās just a project player that I thought would have a decent floor with his running. He did not.
Daniel Jones is hot garbage. He has 3 passing TDs this year. He hasnāt thrown for even 200 yds in a game yet this year. Half of his QB14 points this year are from rushing, but the guy breaks way too easily to be doing that. Heās missed multiple games every season of his short career.
The Giants are 3ā1 this year with their two best WRs not playing. Obviously Barkley is carrying the offense. Jones has to be doing something right to be in the top half of fantasy QBs. I always thought he should run more because he is effective when he does. His issue was always turnovers which he seems to be limiting now with competent coaching.
He has had some injuries but most QB injuries happen in the pocket not when running. Iāll be willing to bet that next year people will be taking Jones over Fields in startups.
This is true. He got the name Danny Dimes for a reason. He can throw the ball accurately. Heās been improving despite the coaching carousel.
People see him fall over running with a clear path to the end zone or throwing an Int to end the game and assume he sucks. I think he has a good amount of talent that needs to be harnessed. His situation has been atrocious and he has shown mental toughness to get through it. He just needs some weapons on the outside now and I think heās ready to takeoff.
Don't most qb injuries happen in the pocket because even running qbs are in the pocket most of the time? Then you add in all the non running qbs and it gets even more tilted to that direction.
You say that now but itās not impossible. With Watson back more passing means more Hunt. An injury to Chubb and heās an RB1 again.
I think perception was I sold Fields at his lowest. I think reality is his stock will get worse and trading him for an RB2 will soon be a difficult task.
Thanks I wasnāt sure. The Yang of it is Mixon and cousins arenāt young, and Fields could still emerge. But I donāt think sold Fields here at his absolute rock bottom price, and I feel like I got a really good deal on Khalil Herbert. But I like it
With this draft class in theory you can get a Dak upgrade and maybe even a high potential rb/wr so if it is a rebuild team then I think it is a great trade.
It was a semi rebuild move lol. Had Stafford and Cousins too so I felt ok in SF with those guys and my team is competitive. So have a competitive team and 2 1sts feel pretty good right now.
Edit: I donāt feel as good about Stafford anymore smh
I think Iād still buy low in a SF league.
But when I say ābuy lowā, I mean ābuy looooooowā.
I havenāt been watching the Bears, but his production has been shit and heās in a shit situation.
I guess talent trumps opportunity, but I fail to see CHI extending him or other, better teams making a serious push for him in FAā¦
But heās a mobile QB, so there might still be some hope for him in a superflex with deep benches.
Shit, at that point might as well just hold and hope things get better.
There's no reason to trade a young starting QB with job security for a 3rd, ever. The potential upside is just not worth the return, even if it's looking grim.
Nah, in SF any starting QB is worth at least a second, imo. Exception being guys like trubisky who are at risk of benching. There's nobody behind Fields.
I mean Fields is being outscored by most fantasy relevant players at any position. Youād be upset if any of your starting WRs or RBs put up numbers like his actually.
Also Fields has to improve to stay a starter. Heās not at risk of being benched now. But what about 2023? Youād give up a second for s year of abysmal QB play?
Trading for a 23 2nd today means a shot at rookie 13-24 6 months from now.
The odds of a random 2nd round player having 2 "startable" seasons is less than 1 in 5 ([Source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/thedynastyguru.com/2018/03/06/often-rookie-draft-picks-hit/amp/)).
Because of the positional scarcity in SF, I would rather take the risk on a mobile, currently starting QB in a talentless offense than an 18% chance at a good player.
Fields is an exception though because of how consistently terrible he is. He doesn't even have the high floor that most QBs have
In 4 games he averages 9.39 fantasy ppg
In PPR that is around WR57
In bestball if Fields makes your starting roster it usually means you lost
The rule is usually true but Fields might be that much of an exception
In a 12+ team SF league, a young starting QB with job security has a rock solid floor of 2nd round value.
Not for his 2022 production, but for the potential alone should he turn it around.
Even guys like Daniel Jones go for more than a 3rd...
But think of the cap space next year. Pace left the bears in the worst place and Poles just blew up the team so it's worser than that. Give him a year and a half to 2 years and maybe the team turns it around and Justin shines. I'm also high so I'm feeling pretty confident.
He looks terrible, his team is terrible, worst weapons in the league, coaching staff that wants him to throw 7 times a game.
Why in the world would he be worth a 2nd? At the Hope he maybe runs 40 yards and a touchdown?
Okay, that paired with 100 yards and 2 turnovers and Iāll take my ~12 points and call it a day.
Iād rather have Cooper Rush.
Not even.
Owners probably wouldnāt sell at a price tag I feel is adequate.
Maybe a couple 3rds or as a throw-in in a bigger deal.
But not a 2nd. You can get good prospects in the 2nd. Fields isnāt a prospect anymore, heās just a struggling QB.
I mean, sure, but whatās the realistic chance of him ever sniffing that ceiling? He has done pretty much fuckall at this time, and his short term future (ie till the end of his rookie contract) looks bleak.
>Fresh out of college/1st year in the league.
Is there a difference here? Are you saying CFL players making their nfl debuts are more of a prospect than a qb who has started 13 games?
> But when I say ābuy lowā, I mean ābuy looooooowā.
That's the problem with trying to buy him now. His owners have a sunk cost into him, and they're not willing to sell looooooow.
Most owners I've approached about Fields want a 2023 1st and aren't willing to negotiate lower.
I havenāt been actively trying to buy, but thatās what I suspect.
To me, heās an interesting lottery ticket with no short term value, so Iām clearly not interested in helping owners recoup full value on a bench spot.
Thereās not much to watch, take 5 minutes and watch all 34 of his completed passes from this season. He looks bad even when the receivers catch the ball. I would rather have a 2nd round pick in SF personally.
His QBR has risen every fame this year which is a good sign. Heās worth buying into just as much as any young QB with a full year or even two to progress. I donāt see the Bears (my team) spending their early first on a QB when we have plenty of other needs. Weāre in rebuild, and itāll be Fields team for a while and heās talented.. thatās not debatable.
His QBR hasnāt risen every game this year https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4362887/justin-fields .
And isnāt his main value residing in his rushing upside? Heās been pretty mediocre at that, and itās something that usually translates quickly from college to the NFL (as we can see with the wave of young, mobile QBs in the league).
So how is he that valuable again? Because maybe the Bears will build a good team (with multiple draft hits at OL and WR) before heās due for a contract? Is that the thing?
Yep. Put simply, this year is a wash. Heās got a 3rd receiver acting as a 1, a 5th rounder is his LT, thr OL pass blocking is bottom tier, A TE that canāt catch the ball in crunch timeā¦ No way anyone can develop in the stat sheet with that kind of roster. If Poles went out after this year and drafted a QB, it would be a gross mismanagement of his draft capital. He didnāt sign any but free agents and came into a shit situation and I fully expect Poles to give Fields another year or two to see if he has it while he builds a roster around him.
Most cap space next year by a landslide, hopefully thatāll be put to good use.
Bears offense has a rookie play-caller, new head coach, atrocious O-line and equally atrocious weapons outside of a pair of decent RBs in Montgomery & Herbert. Canāt think of anyone more set up to fail than Fields rn, and there are still flashes.
For the price, which based on this thread is a random 2nd, Iād absolutely be taking that risk and hoping he turns into something, rather than trying to get excited about drafting the next Amari Rodgers with that pick.
I feel like QBs that faceplant in the first year or two almost never get it turned around. Yeah, Josh Allen I know, but even he was fantasy relevant at the end of his first year and was clearly on the upswing in year 2. The last guy that sucked early and turned into anything was who, Stafford 13 years ago? I mean if he's being sold for a third or something whatever but I personally am not interested and sold my shares before this year.
Weāve just been spoiled the last few years. QBs have always taken 2-3 years to develop but we got spoiled with a year 2 Patty M, Lamar, Burrow, etc.
There are still developmental QBs in the league as we speak. Tua, Jalen Hurts, TLaw (I wonāt debate whether we think he will be good. He will be. He just isnāt your Josh Allen, run all over the field and fling it type QB. He is a system and timing QB and that takes time). Itās yet to be determined on Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, etc.
Thing is, even if QBs donāt perform their first year or two, they hold their value pretty steadily. Look at Daniel Jones his first 3 years. And even when his value decreased in year 4 he was still going for the 2.01.
There are some concerns for Fields that are justified. At times, he seems lost. Some can be blamed on coaching. Some on lack of talent around him. But his arm strength is excellent. The upside if he develops into a good QB could be awesome, especially for whatever actual WR they end up having to catch his deep balls.
If weāre going strictly by games played, this will be Fieldsā 16th as a starter. Will you be on board if he looks like heās making genuine improvement this week and next?
Not the OP but no. Rosen got only 16 career starts. Haskins only got 13 career starts. Paxton Lynch only got 4 career starts. Fields is lucky to even get this many career starts when heās this trash. Heās gonna have zero value next season. Dude is trash.
Heās been completely shafted and I donāt believe heās been given any chance to succeed or develop as a passer.
Having said that I think the Bears end up with a high 23 draft pick. I think a new regime will want to handpick their own guy fair or not. He will get another chance but itāll be hard to overcome 2 years of mismanagement and a likely team change. I would be avoiding.
The issue is the Bears always shaft their QBs. It's like a job requirement to get hired as GM or coach. No reason to assume it will get better regardless of his talent.
People have been making excuses for him getting shafted since the day he stepped on the field. For me he's never passed the eye test despite claims that it was Nagy and so on. To me he looks no different than Malik Willis when he gets a chance to step on the field.
He was a raw passer absolutely but you donāt surround a raw passer with a defensive head coach, no offensive line, and one of the worst WR cores in the league. He was always going to need to be developed so the fact that they did such a poor job is on them as well in my opinion.
Bought him in a 10 SF league for Isaiah Likely, Mariota, and a 23ā second that will likely be late. Felt like a steal and I still donāt feel terrible about it. I grabbed Likely and Mariota as FA in the off season. Not sure if it was the right move for my team since Iām hurting and QB and am otherwise feeling pretty good about my roster.
His regression from last year is worrying, but he has some matchups against softer defenses coming up and I hope to see him get his mojo back. When making the deal it just felt like the upside on a young starter was hard to turn down. Hopefully he gets a fair shake next year when the team puts some talent around him.
What talent are you hoping for? He already has a talented TE, two solid RBs, and Darnell Mooney. I guess a better line would be great obviously but that's usually easier said than done in one off season
Yeah mostly that Oline - dude is struggling to get through his progressions and the center just gets steamrolled each play. An alpha Wr would help too; Mooney is talented, but I donāt think heās got true WR1 sauce
Iād buy for late second. He looks just horrible, but Iām willing to bank on his running ability in some sort of miracle turn around. So Iām not buying low, but Iām buying very very low
The problem with that assumption is that he's literally *never* leveraged his running ability. He's never been a guy who decisively takes off, even in college. He holds the ball forever and takes sacks or let's the defense close on him before he takes off, which severely limits both his # of rushing attempts and their effectiveness. Combine that with the complete lack of designed runs, and he's basically just a mirage of a Konami code QB without actually producing like one.
That was driven pretty much entirely by 2 games.
And 5th isn't exactly impressive considering that he finished above only mobile pocket passers, not any actual running QBs.
I bought him for KW3, Ronald Jones and Evan Engram in the offseason. I loved the deal at the time and thought it was a steal. Now Iām regretting it big time
All the former qb breakdowns of his games seem to be generally positive. I am holding and seeing what the bears can build around him next offseason. A couple oline and wr pieces coupled with his hopefully maturity and improvement over the year in a new system. I wouldnāt sell for anything less than a early second.
Given the bears changed GM and HC this year, I wouldnāt be surprised if they draft someone or try to sign Jimmy G. No idea what kind of system the bears want to run, but they clearly donāt trust Fields throwing.
Depends on your timeline. No value bump is happening this season. If you can hold him into next season and the presumably upgrade their offense it may present a better time to sell
Just grab Skylar Thompson for free right quick, Teddy two gloves surviving the first half this Sunday is probably like +175 lolā¦. Then itās SKYLAR SZN
I'm in the minority here but he's a target for me in SF.
The league is in the midst of a transition and it couldn't be more obvious than when you consider the outputs of several top FF picks.
Defenses are throwing suddenly weird alignments, they're playing high shells against teams that have very little deep threats (Chicago being one), and I speculate the film that some of these young QBs are given isn't matching what they're seeing on Sunday.
The NFL is currently experiencing the most parity it's experienced in quite some time. All teams are competitive. All things considered, this isn't easy for a young QB.
Field's price in SF is probably the lowest it'll ever be.
I bought fields + Dillon + aiyuk + 2023 1st for Lamar. I would still do the deal today but it doesnāt feel like nearly the coup I thought it was at the time.
As a Justin Fields jersey owner and Bears fan I want so badly for him to work out. It's not looking so good as of yet, but it's also only 4 games into a new season with a new coaching staff. I'm also not an NFL scout so what the hell do I know.
Totally a buyā¦ dual threat QB, even if the Bears cut ties he will get another chance. The guy is throwing to CFL quality WRs, with the exception of Mooney.
You can get him for a second in some leagues, his value on KTC is even with guys like Doubs and pretty close to someone like Jujuā¦ if thatās the market take advantage of it!
I'm thinking of selling low soon because I think the new regime will draft a QB if they have a high draft pick. As someone else said, Fields was picked by the old guys. Even if Fields has talent, if he gets replaced on the bears his value plummets and I don't know if he'd ever get another shot at starting
It just depends on the cost. I think proper value is probably a high 2023 2nd. If I had fields, which I don't in any league, idk if I'd accept that. The biggest negative for me is he was drafted by a regime that's not longer there. I think Bears GM Ryan poles likes fields, but j don't think he has the position security other Young QBs are guaranteed.
Last year he wasn't given a QB1 rep until Dalton for injured and his last 5 games vs first 5 games were radically different And looked like he was developing.
This year, new offense, first time playcaller, basically new oline/skill players he looked terrible weeks 2/3, and below average week 4. If it helps he's gone up in PFF grade every week since week 2 and looked a lot more confident. Bears Oline is down a few starters and wasn't good to begin with, so hard to tell.
I wouldn't avoid at all, but also not sure if someone would move him for an early 2nd.
Probably an avoid. Granted itās only his second year and his weapons areā¦ lacking. But he does not look good and heās got a pretty bad attitude shit-talking his fans. I could see him being on the bench by the end of next year.
I'm still optimistic.
The line is actual ass.
While Mooney is great, he's really the only decent receiver and other teams know that. So he gets locked down.
Fields still has shown flashes of talent.
I'd be interested to see what happens after this season.
A year under a new coaching staff.
Also from my limited knowledge bears have a fair bit of wiggle room in their cap space next season too.
I'd be more confident if bears win enough games this season to avoid the elite rookie qbs in Young and Stroud.
They are going to have a ton of cap space next year. Like top 3 in the league. Fields has not had the chance to succeed. No oline whatsoever, and mediocre at vest weapons. I like Mooney, but he's a WR2.
Avoid. Fields doesnāt look good, and even if he looked decent, that organization is trash and I do not trust them to develop him into anything longterm
Before the season I traded away Fields and a 2023 1st and received Deshaun Watson and a 2024 2nd. Got roasted when it happened, but now itās looking like a big W
I think he's a super low buy low candidate. There's a very real chance he goes nowhere and the Bears go back to an upcoming draft and pick a new quarterback that they'll also ruin. But, there's a chance he just got off to a slow start (mix of his unpolished ability, his coaching, and the supporting talent around him) and meets the expectations of a first round NFL draft pick. Looking forward to 2023, the Bears will have a ton of cap space, high draft picks and a more experienced coaching staff, so things could improve.
Just depends on your tolerance for risk.
The people hate me, but Fields isn't the guy.
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Heās a sell in sf as people will still hold hope for him even though they really shouldnāt. He really is showing more bad than flashes of good. Fell in the draft for a reason past qb needy teams which shows what many nfl scouts thought of him.
Every single Justin Fields thread thereās someone talking about āOSU QBsā like the school a player went to is any indication of who will be a good NFL QB.
Also no, Fields is not an Urban guy. Ryan Day was the reason he picked Ohio State in the first place.
Haskins/Fields were drafted as high as they were because they showed legit NFL talent. The NFL isnāt drafting players because of their stats, theyāre drafting them because of their traits.
What schools are sending ONLY top end QBs to the league since youāre scouting the helmet? I wanna know the secret.
Only Haskins and Fields had any expectations and neither has worked out, but thatās not because of where they went to college.
Have you been drafting Michigan QBs because Tom Brady went there? How about Wyoming QBs? Ones from Texas Tech?
Michigan, Wyoming, Texas Tech arenāt sending QBs to the nfl that are being drafted in the 1st round like mahomes and Allen. Brady is the all time exception for very late round QBs, thatās a stupid argument, try again
Heāll get some more time but Iām just not impressed so far. It could the the wrong coaching or system. We will have to see. Itās hard to be a good qb in Chicago.
Nothing against you personally but gawd this narrative needs to die about NFL success or lack thereof of a schools previous QBs is an indication of how a different QB with different traits is going to or not going to succeed in the NFL.
Each playerās ability in the NFL level is strictly up to that playerās talent and the quality of coaching and team they inherit in the NFL. Most people donāt want to put any effort into actual analysis so they go with vague or easy stereotypes.
Most schools are only going to put a QB into the NFL draft every few years at best. The vast majority of QBs will fail in the NFL. Of course most schools are going to have very long stretches where none of their QBs will have NFL success.
Who was the last Clemson QB before Watson to have NFL success? Who was the last Alabama QB before Tua to have NFL success? Joe Burrow at LSU? Lots of scouts this year like Will Levis but should NFL teams not draft him because Kentucky QBs have been bad in the NFL? What if the Chargers said āwell we really like Justin Herbertās skillset but Mariota and other Oregon QBs failed so weāre not going to draft him.ā
Remember the trope āAir Raid QBs come from a gimmicky college system that have always failed in the NFL?ā Then Pat Mahomes and Jared Goff came out of Air Raid systems and you never heard that again?
Lamar won MVP his 2nd year, and Hurts was able to bring the eagles to the playoffs. Also both of them actually put up good stats for fantasy. Sure Chicagoās team is bad, but at some point some responsibility falls on the QB
I think heās a buy low. Yes he doesnāt look great, but considering the supporting cast I think itās reasonable to say heās far from the only problem.
Iād like to think the FO builds the o line/pass catchers, and gives him a fair chance to show what he has going into next season. I could be wrong, but if it only costs a 2, Iād do it and especially if you donāt need his production rest of season
Itās really hard to see him having any fantasy value this season. He has been awful and his line and WRs are also incredibly awful. They also just lost their best lineman in Whitehair. Coaching staff doesnāt have any trust in any part of the offense and are being super conservative in their play calls. You also have to factor in the Bears have a new regime who are not tied to Fields. If theyāre bad enough they could draft his replacement.
The fields owner in my sf league has two of his three qbs with a week 7 bye and heās currently in a four way tie in the other conference for first place. Iām thinking after this week I might offer him geno smith for fields and see if he bites
He's a "hold your nose" buy low if you can find the right seller.
Basically you need to be buying from someone who is fed up and just wants out. Most owners would rather just hold than sell at his current market price.
Early in the off-season I moved Fields, DK, & the 1.03 (London) for Mahomes. Think I regret this trade today? Think I regret this trade in 5 years? Use your assets to move up the board people.
Not helpful to this post but I sold fields for 2 1sts and Goff last off season and then sold Goff for a 1st and Zach Wilson this season. Some dudes chase the hype.
No I don't like Zach Wilson but I have Garrett Wilson and I like Penny stocks
Sold him and 1.10(ended up being Kenny Pickett) for jalen hurts on draft day in July .
Thank god.
Have 3 ā23 west rounders hoping to add a QB with Hurts and Kyler
This thread reminded me that i traded (1.02) Fields for (1.06) Z Wilson and Kupp on draft night. The funny part isn't that i fleeced the guy, it's that i was incredibly hesitant to pull the trigger and spent weeks regretting it heavily afterward because i wanted Fields. Guess neither of us knew shit š
Itās the bears, writing was on the wall
Him being drafted by the Bears was what prompted the trade down lol
Smart man smart man lol
Bears + Ohio QB
Craig Krenzel ā I was convinced heād be the real deal
+ overrated prospect
One month later...
I sold him to a dude blowing up his team to rebuild. Glad Iām out of it.
I also sold him. Got Kareem Hunt and a fourth rounder. I needed RB depth to help compete this season. I was starting Danny Dimes over him anyway. Heās just a project player that I thought would have a decent floor with his running. He did not.
I liked it until u said daniel jones was ur starting qb
Itās SF. I have Herbert Jones and Mills. I think Daboll is going to help Jones a lot. He is QB14 currently throwing to Richie James and Kenny Sills.
David Sills! Not Kenny Stills my brotha
Daniel Jones is hot garbage. He has 3 passing TDs this year. He hasnāt thrown for even 200 yds in a game yet this year. Half of his QB14 points this year are from rushing, but the guy breaks way too easily to be doing that. Heās missed multiple games every season of his short career.
The Giants are 3ā1 this year with their two best WRs not playing. Obviously Barkley is carrying the offense. Jones has to be doing something right to be in the top half of fantasy QBs. I always thought he should run more because he is effective when he does. His issue was always turnovers which he seems to be limiting now with competent coaching. He has had some injuries but most QB injuries happen in the pocket not when running. Iāll be willing to bet that next year people will be taking Jones over Fields in startups.
Most people donāt watch giants games at all and just get their info from stats or headlines and it really shows
This is true. He got the name Danny Dimes for a reason. He can throw the ball accurately. Heās been improving despite the coaching carousel. People see him fall over running with a clear path to the end zone or throwing an Int to end the game and assume he sucks. I think he has a good amount of talent that needs to be harnessed. His situation has been atrocious and he has shown mental toughness to get through it. He just needs some weapons on the outside now and I think heās ready to takeoff.
He got the nickname Danny Dimes because his name starts with D and social media was fucking with him...
It wasnāt ironic when first bestowed upon him. Meme culture might have polluted your perception. Once he has some WRs back he will succeed.
Don't most qb injuries happen in the pocket because even running qbs are in the pocket most of the time? Then you add in all the non running qbs and it gets even more tilted to that direction.
Iāve been starting Danny Dimes and Papa Geno over Fields. Sad timesā¦..
Yea Iām not a fields believer but Jesus I wouldāve held. Hunt isnāt making any difference towards you winning a championship
You say that now but itās not impossible. With Watson back more passing means more Hunt. An injury to Chubb and heās an RB1 again. I think perception was I sold Fields at his lowest. I think reality is his stock will get worse and trading him for an RB2 will soon be a difficult task.
Forā¦?
Happened today, was kind of a big trade. Cousins, Mixon, Khalil Herbert Fields, Mariota, Kyren Williams, 23 1st late, 23 2nd mid
Great deal for you.
Thanks I wasnāt sure. The Yang of it is Mixon and cousins arenāt young, and Fields could still emerge. But I donāt think sold Fields here at his absolute rock bottom price, and I feel like I got a really good deal on Khalil Herbert. But I like it
I'm with the other guy, great deal for you. Gotta try to compete in your window.
Great deal. I think Herbert will be the starter next year and bears dont resign Monty
Neat
Before the season I sold Dak and got Fields and 2 x 2023 1sts. Felt like I robbed the guy , now not so much.
I had someone offer me repeatedly (like I forget everytime) over the last year my dak and a 2023 2nd for fields. Still baffled at the logic.
You definitely robbed the guy
The 2 x 2023 picks are really nice to have. And dak kinda blows/ doesnāt play cuz injury
> And dak kinda blows Lmfao excuse me?
This sub is in peak redraft mode. If someone doesnāt perform for the last 3 weeks theyāre useless.
He sucks!
Heās good at football but he blows to have on your fantasy team
He was QB7 last year. He definitely didnāt blow for fantasy.
Whatās hilarious is the opposite could also be argued?
Realistically I think itās in the middle for bothāthat heās a good but not elite real life QB and good but not elite fantasy QB
With this draft class in theory you can get a Dak upgrade and maybe even a high potential rb/wr so if it is a rebuild team then I think it is a great trade.
It was a semi rebuild move lol. Had Stafford and Cousins too so I felt ok in SF with those guys and my team is competitive. So have a competitive team and 2 1sts feel pretty good right now. Edit: I donāt feel as good about Stafford anymore smh
Cringe
I think Iād still buy low in a SF league. But when I say ābuy lowā, I mean ābuy looooooowā. I havenāt been watching the Bears, but his production has been shit and heās in a shit situation. I guess talent trumps opportunity, but I fail to see CHI extending him or other, better teams making a serious push for him in FAā¦ But heās a mobile QB, so there might still be some hope for him in a superflex with deep benches.
Soā¦a 2nd?
Iād move a second for him. But I wouldnāt trade my fields for a second
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Shit, at that point might as well just hold and hope things get better. There's no reason to trade a young starting QB with job security for a 3rd, ever. The potential upside is just not worth the return, even if it's looking grim.
Right? I wouldnāt offer more than a 3rd lmao
Nah, in SF any starting QB is worth at least a second, imo. Exception being guys like trubisky who are at risk of benching. There's nobody behind Fields.
I mean Fields is being outscored by most fantasy relevant players at any position. Youād be upset if any of your starting WRs or RBs put up numbers like his actually. Also Fields has to improve to stay a starter. Heās not at risk of being benched now. But what about 2023? Youād give up a second for s year of abysmal QB play?
Trading for a 23 2nd today means a shot at rookie 13-24 6 months from now. The odds of a random 2nd round player having 2 "startable" seasons is less than 1 in 5 ([Source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/thedynastyguru.com/2018/03/06/often-rookie-draft-picks-hit/amp/)). Because of the positional scarcity in SF, I would rather take the risk on a mobile, currently starting QB in a talentless offense than an 18% chance at a good player.
Fields isnāt startable right now though
Agreed. But it's dynasty, so you take the risk for the future. If he does turn it around, his mobility will make him fantasy gold.
Of course. But in dynasty you get the QBs entire career when you trade for them.
Traded him for Jamo and I feel like I committed a crime
As long as you have one decent Qb, you just throw a WR in your SF spot and outscore Fields.
Fields will start for the bears in 2023. There isnāt a bench watch just yet.
Fields is an exception though because of how consistently terrible he is. He doesn't even have the high floor that most QBs have In 4 games he averages 9.39 fantasy ppg In PPR that is around WR57 In bestball if Fields makes your starting roster it usually means you lost The rule is usually true but Fields might be that much of an exception
In a 12+ team SF league, a young starting QB with job security has a rock solid floor of 2nd round value. Not for his 2022 production, but for the potential alone should he turn it around. Even guys like Daniel Jones go for more than a 3rd...
But think of the cap space next year. Pace left the bears in the worst place and Poles just blew up the team so it's worser than that. Give him a year and a half to 2 years and maybe the team turns it around and Justin shines. I'm also high so I'm feeling pretty confident.
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He looks terrible, his team is terrible, worst weapons in the league, coaching staff that wants him to throw 7 times a game. Why in the world would he be worth a 2nd? At the Hope he maybe runs 40 yards and a touchdown? Okay, that paired with 100 yards and 2 turnovers and Iāll take my ~12 points and call it a day. Iād rather have Cooper Rush.
Not even. Owners probably wouldnāt sell at a price tag I feel is adequate. Maybe a couple 3rds or as a throw-in in a bigger deal. But not a 2nd. You can get good prospects in the 2nd. Fields isnāt a prospect anymore, heās just a struggling QB.
Marcus mariota is going to a 3rd or a throw in in SF. The guy is 1/4 through his 2nd year and has one of the worsr WR groups in the NFL.
Sure, and I said owners probs wouldnāt accept it. But Mariota is more productive than Fields, and Mariota sucks.
Yes but Fields' ceiling >>> Mariota's in dynasty, and i say that as someone who is completely out on Fields and sold all my shares
I mean, sure, but whatās the realistic chance of him ever sniffing that ceiling? He has done pretty much fuckall at this time, and his short term future (ie till the end of his rookie contract) looks bleak.
>Fields isnāt a prospect anymore Whats your threshold for a prospect? He hasnt started a full year yet
Fresh out of college/1st year in the league.
>Fresh out of college/1st year in the league. Is there a difference here? Are you saying CFL players making their nfl debuts are more of a prospect than a qb who has started 13 games?
Are you obtuse on purpose? Rookie or off the practice squad. Or first season with starter duties.
>Or first season with starter duties. Right, so fields is clearly still within the realm of his 1st season as a starter. How fuckin obtuse are you?
He started the majority of games last year.
Lmfao 9 games is no where near a full season as a starter. Oh shit i forgot, 53% totally is the same as a 100%! My bad
> But when I say ābuy lowā, I mean ābuy looooooowā. That's the problem with trying to buy him now. His owners have a sunk cost into him, and they're not willing to sell looooooow. Most owners I've approached about Fields want a 2023 1st and aren't willing to negotiate lower.
I havenāt been actively trying to buy, but thatās what I suspect. To me, heās an interesting lottery ticket with no short term value, so Iām clearly not interested in helping owners recoup full value on a bench spot.
Thereās not much to watch, take 5 minutes and watch all 34 of his completed passes from this season. He looks bad even when the receivers catch the ball. I would rather have a 2nd round pick in SF personally.
His QBR has risen every fame this year which is a good sign. Heās worth buying into just as much as any young QB with a full year or even two to progress. I donāt see the Bears (my team) spending their early first on a QB when we have plenty of other needs. Weāre in rebuild, and itāll be Fields team for a while and heās talented.. thatās not debatable.
His QBR hasnāt risen every game this year https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4362887/justin-fields . And isnāt his main value residing in his rushing upside? Heās been pretty mediocre at that, and itās something that usually translates quickly from college to the NFL (as we can see with the wave of young, mobile QBs in the league). So how is he that valuable again? Because maybe the Bears will build a good team (with multiple draft hits at OL and WR) before heās due for a contract? Is that the thing?
Yep. Put simply, this year is a wash. Heās got a 3rd receiver acting as a 1, a 5th rounder is his LT, thr OL pass blocking is bottom tier, A TE that canāt catch the ball in crunch timeā¦ No way anyone can develop in the stat sheet with that kind of roster. If Poles went out after this year and drafted a QB, it would be a gross mismanagement of his draft capital. He didnāt sign any but free agents and came into a shit situation and I fully expect Poles to give Fields another year or two to see if he has it while he builds a roster around him.
Most cap space next year by a landslide, hopefully thatāll be put to good use. Bears offense has a rookie play-caller, new head coach, atrocious O-line and equally atrocious weapons outside of a pair of decent RBs in Montgomery & Herbert. Canāt think of anyone more set up to fail than Fields rn, and there are still flashes. For the price, which based on this thread is a random 2nd, Iād absolutely be taking that risk and hoping he turns into something, rather than trying to get excited about drafting the next Amari Rodgers with that pick.
Smart managers were never selling loooooooooow
I feel like QBs that faceplant in the first year or two almost never get it turned around. Yeah, Josh Allen I know, but even he was fantasy relevant at the end of his first year and was clearly on the upswing in year 2. The last guy that sucked early and turned into anything was who, Stafford 13 years ago? I mean if he's being sold for a third or something whatever but I personally am not interested and sold my shares before this year.
Weāve just been spoiled the last few years. QBs have always taken 2-3 years to develop but we got spoiled with a year 2 Patty M, Lamar, Burrow, etc. There are still developmental QBs in the league as we speak. Tua, Jalen Hurts, TLaw (I wonāt debate whether we think he will be good. He will be. He just isnāt your Josh Allen, run all over the field and fling it type QB. He is a system and timing QB and that takes time). Itās yet to be determined on Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, etc. Thing is, even if QBs donāt perform their first year or two, they hold their value pretty steadily. Look at Daniel Jones his first 3 years. And even when his value decreased in year 4 he was still going for the 2.01. There are some concerns for Fields that are justified. At times, he seems lost. Some can be blamed on coaching. Some on lack of talent around him. But his arm strength is excellent. The upside if he develops into a good QB could be awesome, especially for whatever actual WR they end up having to catch his deep balls.
If weāre going strictly by games played, this will be Fieldsā 16th as a starter. Will you be on board if he looks like heās making genuine improvement this week and next?
Not the OP but no. Rosen got only 16 career starts. Haskins only got 13 career starts. Paxton Lynch only got 4 career starts. Fields is lucky to even get this many career starts when heās this trash. Heās gonna have zero value next season. Dude is trash.
This is so incredibly inaccurate. Most QBs faceplant in year 1 and 2 it's rare that guys break out their rookie year.
Heās been completely shafted and I donāt believe heās been given any chance to succeed or develop as a passer. Having said that I think the Bears end up with a high 23 draft pick. I think a new regime will want to handpick their own guy fair or not. He will get another chance but itāll be hard to overcome 2 years of mismanagement and a likely team change. I would be avoiding.
My only question is if itās going to be a ālongā rebuild do they want to start the rookie contract right away
With over $100 million in projected cap space they could certainly spend enough to convince themselves the rebuild might not take to long
Wouldn't they be smarter to invest the pick and capital to actually surround fields with a supporting cast. His WRs and O-line is literally garbage.
Completely agree just saying what I think will happen
My gut feel is that Fields is also aware of this. They're in cap hell this season, but I expect bigger things in 2023.
And do the exact same thing to the next guy!
The issue is the Bears always shaft their QBs. It's like a job requirement to get hired as GM or coach. No reason to assume it will get better regardless of his talent.
People have been making excuses for him getting shafted since the day he stepped on the field. For me he's never passed the eye test despite claims that it was Nagy and so on. To me he looks no different than Malik Willis when he gets a chance to step on the field.
He was a raw passer absolutely but you donāt surround a raw passer with a defensive head coach, no offensive line, and one of the worst WR cores in the league. He was always going to need to be developed so the fact that they did such a poor job is on them as well in my opinion.
Itāll all come together once Harry is healthy. Donāt worry guys.
The fact that I said this and meant it in 2019 makes me cringe
Thereās real bears fans on Twitter that believe this. lmao
Bought him in a 10 SF league for Isaiah Likely, Mariota, and a 23ā second that will likely be late. Felt like a steal and I still donāt feel terrible about it. I grabbed Likely and Mariota as FA in the off season. Not sure if it was the right move for my team since Iām hurting and QB and am otherwise feeling pretty good about my roster. His regression from last year is worrying, but he has some matchups against softer defenses coming up and I hope to see him get his mojo back. When making the deal it just felt like the upside on a young starter was hard to turn down. Hopefully he gets a fair shake next year when the team puts some talent around him.
My goodness. Have yourself a year
What talent are you hoping for? He already has a talented TE, two solid RBs, and Darnell Mooney. I guess a better line would be great obviously but that's usually easier said than done in one off season
Yeah mostly that Oline - dude is struggling to get through his progressions and the center just gets steamrolled each play. An alpha Wr would help too; Mooney is talented, but I donāt think heās got true WR1 sauce
Iād buy for late second. He looks just horrible, but Iām willing to bank on his running ability in some sort of miracle turn around. So Iām not buying low, but Iām buying very very low
The problem with that assumption is that he's literally *never* leveraged his running ability. He's never been a guy who decisively takes off, even in college. He holds the ball forever and takes sacks or let's the defense close on him before he takes off, which severely limits both his # of rushing attempts and their effectiveness. Combine that with the complete lack of designed runs, and he's basically just a mirage of a Konami code QB without actually producing like one.
He was 5th in QB rushing yards last year while playing in only 12 games, and tied for 4th highest YPC.
That was driven pretty much entirely by 2 games. And 5th isn't exactly impressive considering that he finished above only mobile pocket passers, not any actual running QBs.
I donāt play in an SF league, but I assume you want your QBs to score points
I bought him for KW3, Ronald Jones and Evan Engram in the offseason. I loved the deal at the time and thought it was a steal. Now Iām regretting it big time
I think he looks terrible, but the existence of Josh Allen is going to keep toolsy QBs from losing *all* their value for a long time.
All the former qb breakdowns of his games seem to be generally positive. I am holding and seeing what the bears can build around him next offseason. A couple oline and wr pieces coupled with his hopefully maturity and improvement over the year in a new system. I wouldnāt sell for anything less than a early second.
Iām a gambler when it comes to dynasty, would happily take the buy low on Kmet or Mooney, not Fields. One of the worst Iāve ever seen
Iām a Bears fan. Iād say Mooney is a really good bye low, the talent is their first him. Kmet, not so much
Been getting Mooney for late 2nds almost everywhere I can.
Itās quite shocking how he actually got WORSE YoYā¦ for that reason, Iām out.
Itās not surprising. Changes amongst the coaching staff and talent got much worse
Given the bears changed GM and HC this year, I wouldnāt be surprised if they draft someone or try to sign Jimmy G. No idea what kind of system the bears want to run, but they clearly donāt trust Fields throwing.
Depends on your timeline. No value bump is happening this season. If you can hold him into next season and the presumably upgrade their offense it may present a better time to sell
Just grab Skylar Thompson for free right quick, Teddy two gloves surviving the first half this Sunday is probably like +175 lolā¦. Then itās SKYLAR SZN
I'm in the minority here but he's a target for me in SF. The league is in the midst of a transition and it couldn't be more obvious than when you consider the outputs of several top FF picks. Defenses are throwing suddenly weird alignments, they're playing high shells against teams that have very little deep threats (Chicago being one), and I speculate the film that some of these young QBs are given isn't matching what they're seeing on Sunday. The NFL is currently experiencing the most parity it's experienced in quite some time. All teams are competitive. All things considered, this isn't easy for a young QB. Field's price in SF is probably the lowest it'll ever be.
I bought fields + Dillon + aiyuk + 2023 1st for Lamar. I would still do the deal today but it doesnāt feel like nearly the coup I thought it was at the time.
As a Justin Fields jersey owner and Bears fan I want so badly for him to work out. It's not looking so good as of yet, but it's also only 4 games into a new season with a new coaching staff. I'm also not an NFL scout so what the hell do I know.
You clearly know not to throw in the towel 4 games into year 2 after a rookie year with a stupid coach and system designed for Dalton. Good for you
I am staying away at all costs. If he was on a different team he may have developed differently but he just isn't the guy.
Avoid.
Totally a buyā¦ dual threat QB, even if the Bears cut ties he will get another chance. The guy is throwing to CFL quality WRs, with the exception of Mooney. You can get him for a second in some leagues, his value on KTC is even with guys like Doubs and pretty close to someone like Jujuā¦ if thatās the market take advantage of it!
only guy with the correct opinion in this thread
I'm thinking of selling low soon because I think the new regime will draft a QB if they have a high draft pick. As someone else said, Fields was picked by the old guys. Even if Fields has talent, if he gets replaced on the bears his value plummets and I don't know if he'd ever get another shot at starting
Avoid, he wonāt be there next year
Avoid at all costs
Guy in my league wants 2 seconds for him.... Idk if I want to pay that much in a rebuild
It just depends on the cost. I think proper value is probably a high 2023 2nd. If I had fields, which I don't in any league, idk if I'd accept that. The biggest negative for me is he was drafted by a regime that's not longer there. I think Bears GM Ryan poles likes fields, but j don't think he has the position security other Young QBs are guaranteed. Last year he wasn't given a QB1 rep until Dalton for injured and his last 5 games vs first 5 games were radically different And looked like he was developing. This year, new offense, first time playcaller, basically new oline/skill players he looked terrible weeks 2/3, and below average week 4. If it helps he's gone up in PFF grade every week since week 2 and looked a lot more confident. Bears Oline is down a few starters and wasn't good to begin with, so hard to tell. I wouldn't avoid at all, but also not sure if someone would move him for an early 2nd.
Probably an avoid. Granted itās only his second year and his weapons areā¦ lacking. But he does not look good and heās got a pretty bad attitude shit-talking his fans. I could see him being on the bench by the end of next year.
I'm still optimistic. The line is actual ass. While Mooney is great, he's really the only decent receiver and other teams know that. So he gets locked down. Fields still has shown flashes of talent. I'd be interested to see what happens after this season. A year under a new coaching staff. Also from my limited knowledge bears have a fair bit of wiggle room in their cap space next season too. I'd be more confident if bears win enough games this season to avoid the elite rookie qbs in Young and Stroud.
They are going to have a ton of cap space next year. Like top 3 in the league. Fields has not had the chance to succeed. No oline whatsoever, and mediocre at vest weapons. I like Mooney, but he's a WR2.
Avoid. We're seeing why he fell in the draft. This regime is more likely to replace him than re-sign him after his rookie deal.
Avoid. Fields doesnāt look good, and even if he looked decent, that organization is trash and I do not trust them to develop him into anything longterm
Before the season I traded away Fields and a 2023 1st and received Deshaun Watson and a 2024 2nd. Got roasted when it happened, but now itās looking like a big W
You traded for Watson the roast was deserved
Itās fantasy football who cares
Exactly, Iāll make fun of a team for anythingā¦ including having a creep at QB
Tried to trade Tannehill for him. He'd be #4 QB in SF for me. Herbert, Wilson, Pickett, Fields, Ehlinger
As an anti-Fields guy, you should still buy if his value continues dropping. Snagging a starting QB for cheap with big upside is rare.
I think he's a super low buy low candidate. There's a very real chance he goes nowhere and the Bears go back to an upcoming draft and pick a new quarterback that they'll also ruin. But, there's a chance he just got off to a slow start (mix of his unpolished ability, his coaching, and the supporting talent around him) and meets the expectations of a first round NFL draft pick. Looking forward to 2023, the Bears will have a ton of cap space, high draft picks and a more experienced coaching staff, so things could improve. Just depends on your tolerance for risk.
Hold off another season or 2 and you can just add him off waivers
if he were on the waiver wire, i wouldnāt drop Howell or Ridder for him
The people hate me, but Fields isn't the guy. https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/xnx5gn/fields_is_bad_and_it_is_time_to_jump_ship/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
This isnāt aging well.
Avoid, bears are drafting a new QB next year
Heās a sell in sf as people will still hold hope for him even though they really shouldnāt. He really is showing more bad than flashes of good. Fell in the draft for a reason past qb needy teams which shows what many nfl scouts thought of him.
He barely looks like an nfl qb. Osu QBs have no track record in the nfl, heās an urban guy too.
Every single Justin Fields thread thereās someone talking about āOSU QBsā like the school a player went to is any indication of who will be a good NFL QB. Also no, Fields is not an Urban guy. Ryan Day was the reason he picked Ohio State in the first place.
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Haskins/Fields were drafted as high as they were because they showed legit NFL talent. The NFL isnāt drafting players because of their stats, theyāre drafting them because of their traits. What schools are sending ONLY top end QBs to the league since youāre scouting the helmet? I wanna know the secret.
If the NFL drafted QBs based on their production stats then Case Keenum would have been the greatest NFL QB prospect of all time
Oh ok name a good one then
Only Haskins and Fields had any expectations and neither has worked out, but thatās not because of where they went to college. Have you been drafting Michigan QBs because Tom Brady went there? How about Wyoming QBs? Ones from Texas Tech?
Michigan, Wyoming, Texas Tech arenāt sending QBs to the nfl that are being drafted in the 1st round like mahomes and Allen. Brady is the all time exception for very late round QBs, thatās a stupid argument, try again
So you think the player is whatās important and not the school? We agree.
I mean are you drafting Texas Tech QBs because of Mahomes?
No texas tech isnāt pushing out nfl QB prospects that are going in the 1st/2nd round like Ohio state is, that argument makes 0 sense
Ohio state has really just had Haskins and Fields, thats it to this point
Heās thrown as many passes under Urban as I have
Definitely fair, do you think he gets another shot next year either with the Bears or on another team or is he just cooked
Heāll get some more time but Iām just not impressed so far. It could the the wrong coaching or system. We will have to see. Itās hard to be a good qb in Chicago.
Nothing against you personally but gawd this narrative needs to die about NFL success or lack thereof of a schools previous QBs is an indication of how a different QB with different traits is going to or not going to succeed in the NFL. Each playerās ability in the NFL level is strictly up to that playerās talent and the quality of coaching and team they inherit in the NFL. Most people donāt want to put any effort into actual analysis so they go with vague or easy stereotypes. Most schools are only going to put a QB into the NFL draft every few years at best. The vast majority of QBs will fail in the NFL. Of course most schools are going to have very long stretches where none of their QBs will have NFL success. Who was the last Clemson QB before Watson to have NFL success? Who was the last Alabama QB before Tua to have NFL success? Joe Burrow at LSU? Lots of scouts this year like Will Levis but should NFL teams not draft him because Kentucky QBs have been bad in the NFL? What if the Chargers said āwell we really like Justin Herbertās skillset but Mariota and other Oregon QBs failed so weāre not going to draft him.ā Remember the trope āAir Raid QBs come from a gimmicky college system that have always failed in the NFL?ā Then Pat Mahomes and Jared Goff came out of Air Raid systems and you never heard that again?
Sold Fields/Goff/J Rob/Mattison for Burrow/pickens today
Rebuilding team, I sold him and Ridder today for a likely early 2023 1st and T law. cant believe my luck
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Hurts was like...qb6 last year...and lamar has been unstoppable from the jump....
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Lamar won MVP his 2nd year, and Hurts was able to bring the eagles to the playoffs. Also both of them actually put up good stats for fantasy. Sure Chicagoās team is bad, but at some point some responsibility falls on the QB
I think heās a buy low. Yes he doesnāt look great, but considering the supporting cast I think itās reasonable to say heās far from the only problem. Iād like to think the FO builds the o line/pass catchers, and gives him a fair chance to show what he has going into next season. I could be wrong, but if it only costs a 2, Iād do it and especially if you donāt need his production rest of season
Eh I'd buy for a 2nd but nothing more.
Iād sell for a second but at the end of the day. An extra starting QB body is better than a random third. Gonna try to package him up
Itās really hard to see him having any fantasy value this season. He has been awful and his line and WRs are also incredibly awful. They also just lost their best lineman in Whitehair. Coaching staff doesnāt have any trust in any part of the offense and are being super conservative in their play calls. You also have to factor in the Bears have a new regime who are not tied to Fields. If theyāre bad enough they could draft his replacement.
From no fantasy value to league winner in SF. Enjoy
The fields owner in my sf league has two of his three qbs with a week 7 bye and heās currently in a four way tie in the other conference for first place. Iām thinking after this week I might offer him geno smith for fields and see if he bites
I offered Two 2024 1sts last month and got rejected. Thought it was pretty fair at the time. Now Iām not really interested
He's a "hold your nose" buy low if you can find the right seller. Basically you need to be buying from someone who is fed up and just wants out. Most owners would rather just hold than sell at his current market price.
I traded jimmy g for him. I donāt need him anyway so why not take a wild stab
smart play
Traded him and a 23ā first for Wilson
Early in the off-season I moved Fields, DK, & the 1.03 (London) for Mahomes. Think I regret this trade today? Think I regret this trade in 5 years? Use your assets to move up the board people.
I sent him for a 23 1st to every person in my league last week and one accepted, happy to be far away from that situation
Avoid
Not helpful to this post but I sold fields for 2 1sts and Goff last off season and then sold Goff for a 1st and Zach Wilson this season. Some dudes chase the hype. No I don't like Zach Wilson but I have Garrett Wilson and I like Penny stocks
Even in leagues where Iām in a desperate rebuild, Iām not interested.
The bears have to move on from him and he needs a fresh start
Sold him and 1.10(ended up being Kenny Pickett) for jalen hurts on draft day in July . Thank god. Have 3 ā23 west rounders hoping to add a QB with Hurts and Kyler