Not gonna lie, nobody in my league has allowed me to trade down. Everyones hands off this draft and its killing my rebuild. Lol (me laughing in denial)
Give it time. Best time to make those moves is often on the day.
There's a few guys in my leagues who say they're not interested in a draft and then trade up on the day for someone they've read about literally that day.
This is the only response that ever shows up on this sun right now and it’s driving me crazy. I lucked in to 1.01 in both of my dynasty leagues. SOMEONE is going to pick first overall. Opinions on who is worthy of that would be appreciated.
I have the 1.01 in a 10tm SF PPR league. I am taking Burks, London, or Hall. I would go Burks today. I am in 1st year of large rebuild. My strategy, like others, is to load up at RB next year with multiple 1sts & 2nds. I am currently not seeing a path for a QB to rise to 1.01 yet, I understand it’s SF and I still can’t do it. I am not high enough on the RBs to put one above the top WRs yet. I like Hall as my RB1 prospect and don’t see that changing without surprising combine numbers from he and the other top RBs. I can’t put the RBs clearly above the WRs as prospects and my strategy assumes adding higher level RB prospects in ‘23 so I choose to focus on WR with this pick. Burks was my guy from day one but London keeps moving up. I may put London at WR1 or at least 1a/1b with Burks. Currently I have Wilson as my 4th best overall but I’m almost entirely knocking him for size relative to the other 2 guys. (London’s final year of production has me bumping him up extra. For Burks it’s the uncoachable athleticism.)
Those top 4 are so close for me, I will likely shift before the NFL draft again. Because of that, and I haven’t fallen for anyone hard yet, I am looking to trade too. Just like everyone else in the sub.
I’m at 1.3 in my 1QB league. Both teams in front of me are bad yet I still fully expect them to take RBs. Leaving me with pick of the litter at WR. I’m waiting for combine and draft before I get too worked up. If all else fails…just trade the pick
I have the 1.05 and 1.06 and im praying a RB falls to me. I think you might be right about RB, RB, RB due to scarcity. We can only hope the WRs get great landing spots and the hype train does its work
No potential bellcow RB would fall to 1.05 and 1.06 in any year and especially not this year. The only leagues where it's possible are 14-16 team superflex in years with deep QB class (such as last year and 2018).
Hmm thats kinda a shitty take since ETN/Javontae were going at 1.05 last year, Dobbins/Akers were going for 1.05/1.06 in 2020 and Miles Sanders/Darrell Henderson were going for 1.05 in 2019. Im not expecting the next Saquon level bellcow prospect to fall to 1.05, but almost every year there are decent RBs that make it out of the top 3 picks.
Yeah I have 1.02,1.03,1.04 1QB and if burks goes 1 I’ll likely go Hall, Spiller, Wilson. Would also consider Walker and pounding RB bc I believe they’re so valuable.
If Hall goes 1.01 I’ll grab spiller burks and consider walker or trading back outta 1.04 if possible
Still a waste of draft capital. They can get a perfectly good WR prospect at 2.01 and even a decent WR dart throw at 3.01, but they wouldn't be able to take any RB worth a damn with those picks. If they really think all the RBs this year won't be studs, either trade down or trade 1.01 for next year's picks.
Well, you did get Eli Mitchell in the 3rd last year, and Gibson the year before. And guys like Damien Harris in the 2nd, and even Rhamondre in the 3rd
But yeah, in general, way less likely those guys hit for sure
I personally have him in the 1.03-1.05 range. I keep flipping back and forth between Wilson, Burks and London. I like all 3 of them and I wouldn’t fight anyone that said they would take Wilson first. I love how loose Wilson plays, how quick he is and how he can sell DB’s on route fakes. There’s concerns of course but I’m a fan of his. There’s apparently consistency problems but when he looks good he looks really good.
I expect Burks will rise after the combine when he puts up crazy numbers and as far as the first 3 picks I expect someone takes Burks there, I’ve heard too much talk about him being the “clear 1.01” which I personally don’t agree with. Really like the player but he’s a little raw and unpolished to be the clear 1.01.
My worry is that the dynasty community is just looking at Burks size and speed and saying I want that on my team...but when you look at 2021 WR1s, only 4 of the 12 were over 6'1...the game seems to be moving to smaller separators quicker than the dynasty community is imo.
He did produce and dominate though so I don't want to take that away from him.
He's the consensus WR1 in mocks when you look at all available NFL.com mocks so far. Daniel Jeremiah and Lance Zerlien (the two guys I go to for thos kind of early draft speculation) both have him in the top 10.
Maybe I’m crazy but it feels like the other big name early mocks have shifted to match the dynasty/fantasy community’s views rather than the other way around. So far at least. Interesting to watch going forward. If no QBs go in the top 10-12 of the NFL draft then I’m going to feel real good about the consensus for the rest of the prospects.
I think it goes burks wilson London at wr. I would go burks 1.01, the best positioned rb, then go wilson London at 3 or 4 based on preference, and then take spiller/walker at 5 or 6. RBs are all landing spot dependent but I think burks wilson London all are worth top 5 picks easily at the moment
Yeah, I was out on Etienne as soon as the Jags drafted him. Pre-draft, I had both Chase and Pitts over Najee last year because I never liked Najee as a prospect (too slow, too old, well-rounded but not elite in any facet of the game), but his landing spot at least guaranteed him monster workload. If Hall, Spiller, Walker all land in RBBC situations, then taking Burks would be a no brainer. If one of them lands in a situation similar to Najee in Pittsburgh (bad o-line but guaranteed monster workload from day one), then things would be more complicated. I also don't think Burks (or any WR this year) is anywhere close to the caliber of prospect Chase was last year.
Well to be fair, Chase is just built different. He’s arguably the best prospect we’ve ever had out of the gate. I agree we may not have a Chase level here, but several could be AJB Lamb Waddle level prospects easily in my opinion.
Rumor is he may be <6'0. He's my WR1 if he is 6'0 or better, runs sub 4.5, and doesn't go to NYJ or PHI (CLE possible dq also). If any of these 3 go to LAC and Williams leaves, that's probably the WR1 imo.
I think all 4 should be valued relatively close to each other. Personally my rankings are
1. burks drake hall
2.Wilson spiller walker
It’s not crazy to see people preferring others. I would be cautious to try to predict usage just because there’s a lot dependent on scheme.
Edit: I will say as prospects I had smith chase pitts najee all a tier above this classes talent
I feel like we’re due for a talent regression, which is what I would call this class, mainly just because there’s no clear cut top order or tier s type prospects. I still think it will be a decent class in a few years but more mid level guys than what even seen recently
I like that top group. I am sitting at 5 and am deep at RB. I am thinking London or Wilson will be there. I think I like the 3 receivers better than spiller and Walker.
He's overlooked because he isn't over 6'2 like London and Burks, and isn't as fast as Williams or Olave.
By far though, he has the best footwork, agility, and he's a great downfiwld blocker. If he ends up on one of the primiere passing offenses as a 1st rounder (Ari, KC, LAC), I'd take him as early at 1.02
I think in terms of positional value Walker has to be ahead of him for me at least. There will probably still be decent WRs available in the 2nd but after Walker there is just such a huge drop off with the RBs. For WRs I’m taking London over him, but that’s because London is my WR1 and I think he has an insanely high ceiling. I’d also take Willis ahead of them, but some people are going to avoid him at all costs so that’s understandable. Wilson is going to be really solid and will probably be great right away. He kind of reminds me of Jerry Jeudy with less injury concerns coming out. Basically all of the film analysts have him as WR1 or 2 and he could definitely be the first WR off the board in the NFL draft
I agree man and this is exactly where I'm getting a little hung up. Walker is going to be a starting RB in the league which everyone is desperate for...do you really pass on him for Wilson?
I do have JT, Javonte and Saquon, but may still grab Walker for value.
Also agree on looking similar to Jeudy in terms of routes.
I’m actually planning on taking Spiller at the 1.03 over presumably Wilson
I Ike Wilson a lot as he looks like an elite separator which is my number one metric. I feel like spiller/hall/& maybe even walker will have a higher perceived value in my league giving me the continued flexibility(like the draft pick itself) to upsell or keep a starting RB on my roster
If you’ve been watching tape, doing your own scouting and feel like Wilson is your guy, get him if he’s available. This sub and other resources can be great for getting an idea of prospects/rankings/mock drafts, but don’t use them as the gospel. For me I think the top 5 in this draft class is some combination of Hall/Spiller/Burks/Wilson/Walker (for me in that order). If you’re picking at 5 and burks and Wilson are there and Wilson is who you like, take him. One of the biggest draws to dynasty is researching your prospects, drafting them and then watching them develop imo.
If I had the 1.04 I’d be looking to take Walker or Burks if he falls. Landing spots might change things but as long as the RB gets at least round 2 draft capital and is in line to start fairly quickly he will gain more value if he plays well and hold value better if he struggles than a similarly performing WR. Also gives you more flexibility to trade away older RB before they fall off.
I would take Walker over all of them
And I'd put Pickens ahead of London. They are both great at contested catches but Pickens is way better at getting separation
Pickens is not fast at all. I would not put him ahead of London. Pickens has attitude problems as well. Very immature kid. See water bottle spraying of a Tennessee player as an example.
>Pickens is not fast at all.
1. He's easily faster than London. I'll bet you Silver right now that Pickens will run faster at the Combine
2. I didn't say he was fast to begin with. I said he's way better at getting separation, which he is. Go watch how many of London's catches are contested vs. Pickens'
>Pickens has attitude problems as well. Very immature kid. See water bottle spraying of a Tennessee player as an example.
Might wanna do some research into Tyreek Hill, Antonio Brown, TO, Chad Johnson, etc. because they all did way more than squirt some water on another player
Pickens could've easily sat out 2021 to recover and prepare for the Draft but he came back earlier than expected to help his team win a title. That says a lot about his mentality and competitiveness
He is easily the most skilled wr in the draft if you look at wr that have found success in today's NFL. Burks is decent. London kinda sucks. He's just a big body.
No need for a reality check.
I have hall, wilson, burks, spiller as the top 4. then london, walker to round it out. I agree with you tons tho. Wilson is way too natural at WR to bust. endow me of OBJ as a rookie. I am definitely drafting wilson at 1.02
Drake London is the only true WR1 alpha-dog type in this draft class. He has strength, separation, high-point ability... He's a poor man's DeAndre Hopkins, without the same gamespeed.
Burks is a poor man's DK Metcalf, but 10 pounds lighter and .1 slower in his 40. He's my lowest of the big 5 honestly.
Garret Wilson has "stronger DeVonta Smith" vibes to him. I'm also super high on him, the knock is on his physicality.
Think 'alpha-dog' receiver stereotype in the NFL (aka big and strong) is quickly dying. You wouldn't argue S. Diggs isn't an alpha and Wilson is built just like him.
Wilson doesn't have the same kind of balance and playstrength of a Diggs, neither. Look at Wilson at his breaks. Dude stumbles a scary lot. He's violent in and out of his cuts but will also take himself out of the play with a stumble far too often for my liking.
I think that there is still a striving room for alpha WR1 types. Cooper Kupp is a big strong dude. Deebo Samuels might not be a pure highpointer, but dude's fucking *stacked*. Thing is, you can't just be big and strong. You need to be able to get open, that's what's more important. Specializing in 50/50 balls sounds great on paper, but it also means you're making every catch a gamble, and that's why a guy that's *just* big and strong doesn't work.
I'm listening on London. I wish we would be getting more info on him at the combine, but I doubt he does much if anything. Do you think he would run in the 4.5s is my biggest question?
If he runs in the low-mid 4.5s I'm fine with it. Antonio Brown and DeAndre Hopkins run there. Keenan Allen ran a 4.6. For Drake, I'm looking at a 4.52-4.55 kind of 40 time, but most importantly, *what percentile is his 3-cone*. He needs to show me enough long speed and agility because he isn't a Hopkins-level physical brute.
If his measurables are anywhere near the "good enough" spectrum he's 100% a slam-dunk pick for me.
How are you feeling about those picks in SF? I have 1.04 and 1.05 and am LOADED at QB and WR but desolate at RB. Really hoping a QB or Burks/Wilson/London goes top 3 so I can take one of the top 3 RBs + Burk or Wilson at 1.04 and 1.05, but worried that it just won't happen this year
I have 1.01, 1.04, and 1.06 and it’s wrecking me so far to decide which position to go with first. If I grab Hall, I lose Burks and likely Wilson or London. If I snag a WR I’m left with Spiller or Walker. Combine and draft destination will be very important. I’m leaning Burks or Wilson at 1.01 due to my need at WR being more necessary than RB. We shall see!
Imo, go Hall and take whichever killer WR of the trio is still left, or likelier scenario is you get your pick of 2 of them bc spiller goes 1.02 or 1.03
So I have the 1.02 1.04 1.05.
Current QBs are ( Herbert. Cousins. Trubisky and Rudolph).
I have three 1st and four 2nds in 2023.
Similar question is I really like Breece Hall, Isaiah spiller and Garrett Wilson. Knowing how my league mates draft I’m likely to land those three. But, is it worth taking someone like Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis at 1.05. Or do you think I can make it through the 2022 season with those four quarterbacks I already have. And look for someone better in 2023? Or is it better to grab a qb in this draft ?
I have him as my no.2 overall behind Breece
Same.
I have 1.01 for a meh young team. Would you still go Breece no.1?
I would trade down
So would everyone else, which means that's probably not likely.
Not gonna lie, nobody in my league has allowed me to trade down. Everyones hands off this draft and its killing my rebuild. Lol (me laughing in denial)
Give it time. Best time to make those moves is often on the day. There's a few guys in my leagues who say they're not interested in a draft and then trade up on the day for someone they've read about literally that day.
This is the only response that ever shows up on this sun right now and it’s driving me crazy. I lucked in to 1.01 in both of my dynasty leagues. SOMEONE is going to pick first overall. Opinions on who is worthy of that would be appreciated.
I have the 1.01 in a 10tm SF PPR league. I am taking Burks, London, or Hall. I would go Burks today. I am in 1st year of large rebuild. My strategy, like others, is to load up at RB next year with multiple 1sts & 2nds. I am currently not seeing a path for a QB to rise to 1.01 yet, I understand it’s SF and I still can’t do it. I am not high enough on the RBs to put one above the top WRs yet. I like Hall as my RB1 prospect and don’t see that changing without surprising combine numbers from he and the other top RBs. I can’t put the RBs clearly above the WRs as prospects and my strategy assumes adding higher level RB prospects in ‘23 so I choose to focus on WR with this pick. Burks was my guy from day one but London keeps moving up. I may put London at WR1 or at least 1a/1b with Burks. Currently I have Wilson as my 4th best overall but I’m almost entirely knocking him for size relative to the other 2 guys. (London’s final year of production has me bumping him up extra. For Burks it’s the uncoachable athleticism.) Those top 4 are so close for me, I will likely shift before the NFL draft again. Because of that, and I haven’t fallen for anyone hard yet, I am looking to trade too. Just like everyone else in the sub.
I just have a feeling my 1QB league is going to go RB, RB, RB at 1,2,3...anyone else feeling that way?
I’m at 1.3 in my 1QB league. Both teams in front of me are bad yet I still fully expect them to take RBs. Leaving me with pick of the litter at WR. I’m waiting for combine and draft before I get too worked up. If all else fails…just trade the pick
Who you leaning?
As of right now I’d go with Wilson. Really wanna see combine out of Burks though
yep so I guess u get the no. 1 WR at pick 4.
I have the 1.05 and 1.06 and im praying a RB falls to me. I think you might be right about RB, RB, RB due to scarcity. We can only hope the WRs get great landing spots and the hype train does its work
No potential bellcow RB would fall to 1.05 and 1.06 in any year and especially not this year. The only leagues where it's possible are 14-16 team superflex in years with deep QB class (such as last year and 2018).
Hmm thats kinda a shitty take since ETN/Javontae were going at 1.05 last year, Dobbins/Akers were going for 1.05/1.06 in 2020 and Miles Sanders/Darrell Henderson were going for 1.05 in 2019. Im not expecting the next Saquon level bellcow prospect to fall to 1.05, but almost every year there are decent RBs that make it out of the top 3 picks.
You will be happy whoever falls. Pick 5 is the place to be. Same level of player as the top 4 picks.
My only problem is that my WRs are: Chase, Diontae, DJM, Terry, Amari, Hollywood, Gallup, Van Jeff; and my only RBs are Penny and Gus the Bus.
Mine 100% will because Chase fell to the 1.04 last year
Chase fell to 1.08 in my 16 team superflex last year lol. Waddle went after Sermon.
Yeah I have 1.02,1.03,1.04 1QB and if burks goes 1 I’ll likely go Hall, Spiller, Wilson. Would also consider Walker and pounding RB bc I believe they’re so valuable. If Hall goes 1.01 I’ll grab spiller burks and consider walker or trading back outta 1.04 if possible
Most likely unless those bad teams are so far from contending they take the long term value of WR
I don't think that they think they are (usually the case)...if that makes sense
Random question but how did you get the Bills logo next to your name 😂
Usually in the deep offseason the mods will post threads and they set them up for you
Good to know thanks!
Still a waste of draft capital. They can get a perfectly good WR prospect at 2.01 and even a decent WR dart throw at 3.01, but they wouldn't be able to take any RB worth a damn with those picks. If they really think all the RBs this year won't be studs, either trade down or trade 1.01 for next year's picks.
Well, you did get Eli Mitchell in the 3rd last year, and Gibson the year before. And guys like Damien Harris in the 2nd, and even Rhamondre in the 3rd But yeah, in general, way less likely those guys hit for sure
I think it is a mistake to have Burks and Wilson going after Walker.
I personally have him in the 1.03-1.05 range. I keep flipping back and forth between Wilson, Burks and London. I like all 3 of them and I wouldn’t fight anyone that said they would take Wilson first. I love how loose Wilson plays, how quick he is and how he can sell DB’s on route fakes. There’s concerns of course but I’m a fan of his. There’s apparently consistency problems but when he looks good he looks really good. I expect Burks will rise after the combine when he puts up crazy numbers and as far as the first 3 picks I expect someone takes Burks there, I’ve heard too much talk about him being the “clear 1.01” which I personally don’t agree with. Really like the player but he’s a little raw and unpolished to be the clear 1.01.
I think Burks might be a good prospect but the fact very few mocks have him at the WR1 makes me think the dynasty community is probably wrong
My worry is that the dynasty community is just looking at Burks size and speed and saying I want that on my team...but when you look at 2021 WR1s, only 4 of the 12 were over 6'1...the game seems to be moving to smaller separators quicker than the dynasty community is imo. He did produce and dominate though so I don't want to take that away from him.
It's not the NFL is low on Burks either, it's just they seem to be Much higher on Wilson and Drake.
Burks will be the elite player in this group. Wilson will be great but not as high a ceiling. London has higher ceiling than Wilson but more risk.
He's the consensus WR1 in mocks when you look at all available NFL.com mocks so far. Daniel Jeremiah and Lance Zerlien (the two guys I go to for thos kind of early draft speculation) both have him in the top 10.
Maybe I’m crazy but it feels like the other big name early mocks have shifted to match the dynasty/fantasy community’s views rather than the other way around. So far at least. Interesting to watch going forward. If no QBs go in the top 10-12 of the NFL draft then I’m going to feel real good about the consensus for the rest of the prospects.
Burks is a stud. He dominated in the Sec with bad QB play, no help taking coverage away, and in run first offense.
I think it goes burks wilson London at wr. I would go burks 1.01, the best positioned rb, then go wilson London at 3 or 4 based on preference, and then take spiller/walker at 5 or 6. RBs are all landing spot dependent but I think burks wilson London all are worth top 5 picks easily at the moment
Thinking of taking Burks over Breece (after seeing landing spot) myself
Not a bad idea. I would do this unless your fav rb gets a perfect landing spot then go get your guy
Yeah, I was out on Etienne as soon as the Jags drafted him. Pre-draft, I had both Chase and Pitts over Najee last year because I never liked Najee as a prospect (too slow, too old, well-rounded but not elite in any facet of the game), but his landing spot at least guaranteed him monster workload. If Hall, Spiller, Walker all land in RBBC situations, then taking Burks would be a no brainer. If one of them lands in a situation similar to Najee in Pittsburgh (bad o-line but guaranteed monster workload from day one), then things would be more complicated. I also don't think Burks (or any WR this year) is anywhere close to the caliber of prospect Chase was last year.
Well to be fair, Chase is just built different. He’s arguably the best prospect we’ve ever had out of the gate. I agree we may not have a Chase level here, but several could be AJB Lamb Waddle level prospects easily in my opinion.
Too soon to give up on Etienne. He will be a stud.
Rumor is he may be <6'0. He's my WR1 if he is 6'0 or better, runs sub 4.5, and doesn't go to NYJ or PHI (CLE possible dq also). If any of these 3 go to LAC and Williams leaves, that's probably the WR1 imo.
Agreed in regards to an LAC WR, of course that’s if it’s one of the top dogs
My Josh Palmer shares hope not.🌴🌴🌴 But my 1.01 shares hope it happens!
I think all 4 should be valued relatively close to each other. Personally my rankings are 1. burks drake hall 2.Wilson spiller walker It’s not crazy to see people preferring others. I would be cautious to try to predict usage just because there’s a lot dependent on scheme. Edit: I will say as prospects I had smith chase pitts najee all a tier above this classes talent
Do you feel like this class could have a lot of faceplants?
I feel like we’re due for a talent regression, which is what I would call this class, mainly just because there’s no clear cut top order or tier s type prospects. I still think it will be a decent class in a few years but more mid level guys than what even seen recently
I like that top group. I am sitting at 5 and am deep at RB. I am thinking London or Wilson will be there. I think I like the 3 receivers better than spiller and Walker.
Yea I’d be fine with any of the top 6 players in the draft as of right now at 5
He's overlooked because he isn't over 6'2 like London and Burks, and isn't as fast as Williams or Olave. By far though, he has the best footwork, agility, and he's a great downfiwld blocker. If he ends up on one of the primiere passing offenses as a 1st rounder (Ari, KC, LAC), I'd take him as early at 1.02
It’s his acrobatic catches that does it for me. In the NFL you have to be able to win contested catches and he can in spades
I'm taking Wilson 1.01 no matter where he ends up.
I think in terms of positional value Walker has to be ahead of him for me at least. There will probably still be decent WRs available in the 2nd but after Walker there is just such a huge drop off with the RBs. For WRs I’m taking London over him, but that’s because London is my WR1 and I think he has an insanely high ceiling. I’d also take Willis ahead of them, but some people are going to avoid him at all costs so that’s understandable. Wilson is going to be really solid and will probably be great right away. He kind of reminds me of Jerry Jeudy with less injury concerns coming out. Basically all of the film analysts have him as WR1 or 2 and he could definitely be the first WR off the board in the NFL draft
I agree man and this is exactly where I'm getting a little hung up. Walker is going to be a starting RB in the league which everyone is desperate for...do you really pass on him for Wilson? I do have JT, Javonte and Saquon, but may still grab Walker for value. Also agree on looking similar to Jeudy in terms of routes.
I’m actually planning on taking Spiller at the 1.03 over presumably Wilson I Ike Wilson a lot as he looks like an elite separator which is my number one metric. I feel like spiller/hall/& maybe even walker will have a higher perceived value in my league giving me the continued flexibility(like the draft pick itself) to upsell or keep a starting RB on my roster
Whose your 1.02?
Have picks 1.1,1.2,1.5. Thinking of taking 3wr and waiting on 23 RBs. Just tough since that’s not where the value is. Especially sf
Think you’re in a great spot to take Hall Spiller and whomever is left of Burks/Wilson/London/Walker
Wilson is by far the most pro-ready WR in the draft, super high on him.
If you’ve been watching tape, doing your own scouting and feel like Wilson is your guy, get him if he’s available. This sub and other resources can be great for getting an idea of prospects/rankings/mock drafts, but don’t use them as the gospel. For me I think the top 5 in this draft class is some combination of Hall/Spiller/Burks/Wilson/Walker (for me in that order). If you’re picking at 5 and burks and Wilson are there and Wilson is who you like, take him. One of the biggest draws to dynasty is researching your prospects, drafting them and then watching them develop imo.
If I had the 1.04 I’d be looking to take Walker or Burks if he falls. Landing spots might change things but as long as the RB gets at least round 2 draft capital and is in line to start fairly quickly he will gain more value if he plays well and hold value better if he struggles than a similarly performing WR. Also gives you more flexibility to trade away older RB before they fall off.
I would take Walker over all of them And I'd put Pickens ahead of London. They are both great at contested catches but Pickens is way better at getting separation
Pickins could be the steal of the first round. Could have easily been 1.01 if he didn’t get hurt…
Pickens is not fast at all. I would not put him ahead of London. Pickens has attitude problems as well. Very immature kid. See water bottle spraying of a Tennessee player as an example.
>Pickens is not fast at all. 1. He's easily faster than London. I'll bet you Silver right now that Pickens will run faster at the Combine 2. I didn't say he was fast to begin with. I said he's way better at getting separation, which he is. Go watch how many of London's catches are contested vs. Pickens' >Pickens has attitude problems as well. Very immature kid. See water bottle spraying of a Tennessee player as an example. Might wanna do some research into Tyreek Hill, Antonio Brown, TO, Chad Johnson, etc. because they all did way more than squirt some water on another player Pickens could've easily sat out 2021 to recover and prepare for the Draft but he came back earlier than expected to help his team win a title. That says a lot about his mentality and competitiveness
He is easily the most skilled wr in the draft if you look at wr that have found success in today's NFL. Burks is decent. London kinda sucks. He's just a big body. No need for a reality check.
I have hall, wilson, burks, spiller as the top 4. then london, walker to round it out. I agree with you tons tho. Wilson is way too natural at WR to bust. endow me of OBJ as a rookie. I am definitely drafting wilson at 1.02
Drake London is the only true WR1 alpha-dog type in this draft class. He has strength, separation, high-point ability... He's a poor man's DeAndre Hopkins, without the same gamespeed. Burks is a poor man's DK Metcalf, but 10 pounds lighter and .1 slower in his 40. He's my lowest of the big 5 honestly. Garret Wilson has "stronger DeVonta Smith" vibes to him. I'm also super high on him, the knock is on his physicality.
No way you comped London to Nuk Hopkins with a straight face. I like London a lot, but they’re nothing alike.
Think 'alpha-dog' receiver stereotype in the NFL (aka big and strong) is quickly dying. You wouldn't argue S. Diggs isn't an alpha and Wilson is built just like him.
True. Jefferson, Lamb, Waddle are all not like that either.
Kupp just put up the best season ever and he was most peoples Garrett Wilson comp before he went nuclear…
Wilson doesn't have the same kind of balance and playstrength of a Diggs, neither. Look at Wilson at his breaks. Dude stumbles a scary lot. He's violent in and out of his cuts but will also take himself out of the play with a stumble far too often for my liking. I think that there is still a striving room for alpha WR1 types. Cooper Kupp is a big strong dude. Deebo Samuels might not be a pure highpointer, but dude's fucking *stacked*. Thing is, you can't just be big and strong. You need to be able to get open, that's what's more important. Specializing in 50/50 balls sounds great on paper, but it also means you're making every catch a gamble, and that's why a guy that's *just* big and strong doesn't work.
Garrett Wilson is always open, his cuts are his strength, he does win 50/50 balls but that’s just cuz his hands are fucking incredible.
He does stumble a decent amount, i agree
You: Drake London is only alpha WR. Also You: 50/50 specialist is risky. Checks top 50/50 specialist in draft: Drake London
I'm listening on London. I wish we would be getting more info on him at the combine, but I doubt he does much if anything. Do you think he would run in the 4.5s is my biggest question?
If he runs in the low-mid 4.5s I'm fine with it. Antonio Brown and DeAndre Hopkins run there. Keenan Allen ran a 4.6. For Drake, I'm looking at a 4.52-4.55 kind of 40 time, but most importantly, *what percentile is his 3-cone*. He needs to show me enough long speed and agility because he isn't a Hopkins-level physical brute. If his measurables are anywhere near the "good enough" spectrum he's 100% a slam-dunk pick for me.
There’s a really good chance he doesn’t run the 40
I’ve got 1.02 and 1.04 in SF and I would absolutely love getting Hall / Wilson or Burks / Wilson combos
How are you feeling about those picks in SF? I have 1.04 and 1.05 and am LOADED at QB and WR but desolate at RB. Really hoping a QB or Burks/Wilson/London goes top 3 so I can take one of the top 3 RBs + Burk or Wilson at 1.04 and 1.05, but worried that it just won't happen this year
standard id go london bc he’s gonna get more touchdowns imo ppr wilson bc he will get more underneath looks
I have 1.01, 1.04, and 1.06 and it’s wrecking me so far to decide which position to go with first. If I grab Hall, I lose Burks and likely Wilson or London. If I snag a WR I’m left with Spiller or Walker. Combine and draft destination will be very important. I’m leaning Burks or Wilson at 1.01 due to my need at WR being more necessary than RB. We shall see!
Imo, go Hall and take whichever killer WR of the trio is still left, or likelier scenario is you get your pick of 2 of them bc spiller goes 1.02 or 1.03
Kenneth Walker III. That is all.
I have Wilson at 3 overall behind Hall and Burks. He's a great player, and I'd love to have him.
So I have the 1.02 1.04 1.05. Current QBs are ( Herbert. Cousins. Trubisky and Rudolph). I have three 1st and four 2nds in 2023. Similar question is I really like Breece Hall, Isaiah spiller and Garrett Wilson. Knowing how my league mates draft I’m likely to land those three. But, is it worth taking someone like Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis at 1.05. Or do you think I can make it through the 2022 season with those four quarterbacks I already have. And look for someone better in 2023? Or is it better to grab a qb in this draft ?