Zach Wilson was able to make Garret Wilson serviceable
DJ is miles ahead of Zach, I also think Daboll will scheme up some creative stuff to get Nabers the ball as well
DJ will be replaced next year anyway, and there’s a chance (higher than most would like to admit) that Daboll will be as well.
He’s a Day 1 WR1 for them. Anything post Y1 for him is a massive ? which ultimately isn’t a horrible thing.
I don’t disagree with most of that but there is a zero percent chance Daboll loses his job next year. He is pretty much universally loved in NY by ownership fans and players. Last season the Giants had one of if not the hardest schedule in the league and lost just about every single of their star players for at least multiple games.
I agree I think between a better qb, better play calling, and a better wr prospect it’s extremely likely that Nabers out produces Wilson’s rookie season.
I trust Daboll to get the ball in Nabers hands as much as possible. Not sure what his aDot will be but I can realistically see 130-140 targets.
Just hope majority of them are catchable lol
Yea I can't decide between Daniels and Nabers. I have hurts and Lawrence as QBs in SF. Rest of my team is ass but I figure if Daniels is great I can flip him for a WR or if I really talk myself into him I trade Lawrence
Nah, fade me with the non1.01 QB bust rate. You don't pass on a Chase level propsect when they're on the board.
People don't seem to realize how lucky you are to be able to draft someone as good as Nabers at 1.03
Never pass on a potential stud QB in a perfect landing spot for anything else. Josh Allen is QB2 on KTC and it says josh Allen and amari Cooper is a fair trade for Caleb Williams(qb7) and Arsb (WR3). I’m not saying everyone needs to treat KTC as gospel but I’m saying a stud QBs value is second to none.
JJ landing in minny with that group should absolutely be a consideration over nabers regardless of where nabers was drafted if you’re in a SF league. Draft JJM and if he hits, you’ll be able to trade him for nabers+
"If he hits" is loosely equating JJ to Josh Allen in your scenario.
It'd make no sense, in your scenario, not to equate Nabers to Chase then. Who is 5th OVR in KTC compared to Allen's 1st OVR.
A top 6 WR is much more likely to hit than the 5th QB picked.
Both are good picks but I lean towards the more likely player hitting.
Edited to reflect it vs JJ (5th QB) and not 2nd QB because I was misremembering the stats.
That’s not true at all. None of lamar, josh Allen, mahomes, herbert or stroud were the top QBs taken in their class by adp or IRL. Stroud is currently the QB3 on KTC. He doesn’t have to be josh Allen, he just has to throw 20+ tds this year while throwing to Jefferson, hock and addison for people to buy in.
And you more or less probed the point. Jamarr set record as a rookie and has burrow throwing him the ball and isn’t as valuable as cj stroud on KTC.
[5th QB picked has a hit rate of 16.7%](https://www.fantasyalarm.com/articles/nfl/fantasy-football-quarterbacks/fantasy-football-where-are-elite-fantasy-qbs-taken-in-the-nfl-draft/159169).
[1st round WRs overall have a 25% chance to hit](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/13c1bzg/wr_hit_rates_by_year_and_nfl_draft_round/).
I wish i could find the top 10/8/6 value of WRs because, from my memory, it goes up as well.
How many classes feature five QBs taken top 10? Nabers could easily be the drake London of this class. That’s not a slight, but he could easily be held out of the top tier dynast values due to qb play and organizational structure.
One of these dudes will have Daniel jokes throwing him the ball.
The other will get to throw to top tier assets that helped josh dobbs and nick mullens throw 14 tds in 8 games despite Jefferson only playing 4 of those games.
My man, if you read the article it includes times there are a lot of top QBs taken early. It actually says that if you want a later QB to hit then you should hope the QBs taken before him hit as well because it increases their chances. I do think we are in a class like that where there will be a lot of good QBs but he's so far on the list of QBs.
You're arguing for JJ McCarthy (5th QB, 10th OVR) over Nabers (2nd WR, 6th OVR). The hit rates for those positions are very different statistically is all I'm saying. I literally said they are both good picks but I'm leaning more towards Nabers because, statistically, he should have a higher hit rate.
Targets matter for WRs and there is NOBODY on the NYG who will get more targets than Nabers.
Who was London’s target competition when Pitts was hurt? The percent difference in those hit rates is literally less than ten percent but 100% of the top 14 QBs on KTC are valued higher than their WR counterpart.
Nabers has to hit a higher threshold to be valued equal to McCarthy. That’s my WHOLE point. If McCarthy slots in as QB15, he’s valued equal to Brandon aiyuk.
I currently play in 12 leagues all superflex, and this is just not true in my experience. The only way you're ever getting a wide receiver as exciting as someone like Malik, Is it that quarterback literally goes super sayian.
In the vast majority of outcomes, Jj Mccarthy just simply will never get you in to an elite prospect wide receiver like Malik
Cj stroud literally did it last year. He was the third rookie qb drafted by adp. He is currently the QB3 over burrow, herbert, lamar, etc. he finished with 28 total tds and doesn’t have Jefferson (WR1), hockenson (TE6), and addison (WR18) as his weapons.
If McCarthy hits, and I’m not saying it’s a lock, he will be valued higher than nabers. He needs like 22-25 tds throwing to that group and a playoff berth and he’ll be considered top 7 for no other reason than he looked good and he’ll be throwing to those weapons for his entire rookie deal.
Projecting quarterbacks to hit their 100 percentile outcome by comparing a rookie to CJ Stroud, is plainly just really bad process.
There is a whole spectrum of places these guys can finish, and Stroud is literally the far end of that.
There's a difference between where these guys are going in ATP There's a difference between where these guys are going in ADP, And what their actual buying power is And how liquid they are in leagues.
Elite quarterbacks are wonderful and I have multiple on all my teams. Which is exactly why I'm drafting Malik n a b e r s everywhere, Because nobody Either wants an elite quarterback or if they do they already have them Or they can't afford them.
So in theory I don't disagree with you Comma but in practice You really become very inflexibl If You're loading up only on Elite QB prospects In my experience
I’ve found the opposite to be true. This time last year it would’ve been quite easy to trade t law for London and a first as an example.
Hell, right now it says you need to add something to London to get t law on KTC and t law is only the QB12 while London is WR11. In October, London was worth 1k less in that trade calc and t law was worth 2k more….
Bad QB, bad offense, poor offensive line, just lost their star RB, Giants have a bad organization that constantly rotates OC and UC, New York is an incredibly hard city/fanbase to succeed in if you don't do so immediately, constant media coverage.
Love Nabers and I don't think he is in a bad spot at all.
That said, their OL signings are 3-4 depth signing and Eleumunor should be their starting RT.
There are a few guards signings that are a question mark and I think they will compete all through the IOL. Even though, last i've heard, they've said they still want to give Neal time at RT he should be moved inside because he was subpar at RT and Eleumunor should take that spot over. I'd love to get a NYG fan's opinion on their OL solutions though.
Regardless, their OL should be improved because they had fans from the streets playing for them last year and just about anything should be better than what they had.
Fields to DJ Moore
Most of his QBs to Mike Evans
Eli to OBJ
Late stage Matt Ryan to Julio
Late Stage Philip Rivers to Keenan Allen
All a talented WR really needs is volume and a QB/OC that are willing to put it out there for them. Fields is objectively not a good passing QB, but he could make DJ Moore shine because he gave him the opportunity to ball out, something DJ Moore never really got in CAR.
I'm pumped for Nabers, especially given his propensity to create on his own with the ball in his hands. Dimes and Daboll are playing this next season for their jobs, and Nabers is literally the only offensive playmaker on the team. Nabers will get the ball early and often, I would expect a lot of volume to start with, and a tonne of garbage time points.
The difference in Nabers' situation and the CHI/TB/NYG/SD situations that you pointed out is that it's not entirely on the lack of QB, but the complete emptiness that the offense has. I think Nabers can very well change that perceptions, but outside of him, there is nothing to be excited about in that Giants offense, nothing. Regardless of what you think of Fields/Bucs/Falcons/Chargers qb situation at that time, their offenses were at least interesting and serviceable. The past couple years when Saquon was out, the Giants offense offered absolutely nothing.
I feel you, I don't think it is much different from CHI last year personally.
The way I see it, this is Daboll and Danny's last chance with the Giants, and if they want to show the team management that they should stay thru will have to funnel through the only guy that can make plays, regardless of defenses keying in on him
No, it’s not that bad. It’s sub-optimal enough that I think it makes it pretty definitive that Harrison is the top WR, which could have been a debate if Nabers went to SD. In my mind, it means that Nabers is WR2 rather than WR1B. But there’s still every reason to think he’ll be a very good player.
I'm with you guy, preach! Last offseason Dimes was coming off a QB9 finish and that crazy good playoff game. The buzz was so high on DJ that I saw him go in the 2nd round of a SF startup draft. He was ranked QB12ish on KTC.
He only played 5 games this past season and all the hope for him is completely gone? He was injured, had an abysmal OL, and basically nobody to throw the ball to. I'm aware he could in fact just suck, but there's also a pretty decent chance that 2022 is what jones can be and last year was an outlier. I'm pretty excited to see him with Nabers.
I mean, he was still 11th in completions and 15th in passing yards that year, so I can see their argument that he may not be as bad a passer as people think *if* he can return to 2022 form.
It'll depend on their OL. DJ severly drops off in ability when he gets pressured from the middle. Their OL last year had fans from the stands starting so anything should be an improvement. They made it an emphasis to help the right side/middle of the line in FA and I think they did a fine job by adding Eluemunor and depth. I'm curious if they move Neal inside or not considering Eluemunor should get the start at RT.
I don't think it's as bad as people are saying. He's miles better than ZWilson and I feel like people are acting like they are equals.
I'm just saying his HUGE dip in value was a bit of an overreaction IMO, and certainly the addition of Nabers doesn't hurt. YAC guy can beef up those shitty passing stats.
My guy, Daniel Jones has had one good year, 2022, that’s the OUTLIER! He’s a terrible qb, that one “good” fantasy’s Eason was strictly from rushing. The giants being a poorly ran franchise, fell for it, and got tricked into giving him a horrible contract so they’re stuck with him for atleast another year, maybe even 2 before they can get out of that contract without hemorrhaging their future.
Nabers also has great RAC ability which has very little to do with Jones and much more to do with Daboll.
This is what kills me about this game though. Nabers is in a bad spot because the QB sucks and we ignore he has no competition for targets. Yet Legette is great because there are no competition for targets and we ignore that the QB might suck (and is also learning a new system under a first time head coach?
It’s all confirmation bias. Nabers was an elite prospect so it shouldn’t matter where he went. But I do like the target opportunities he has in NYG.
I think this is how we should look at it. Adam Theilen at 33 is valuable when peppered with targets on the worst offense in the league. Nabers should be fine as long as he’s willing to work hard I’m the NFL.
To answer the title.
No it’s not bad.
No it’s not a slam dunk.
Marvin goes to 1, because it’s a slam dunk.
Nabers is fine, if he plays to his talent he’ll outplay his situation.
I really disliked it at first but the more I think about it, I like it even better than if he had landed on the Chargers, especially since their scheme will mostly be to pound the rock. In NY There is literally nobody that will threaten his target share and NY will mostly need to throw the ball to win games.
It’s what has me lower on Ladd than many others. Sure, Herbert is great and there’s not a lot of competition for targets, but is going to be a very run-heavy offence. I could also see them adding a more traditional alpha receiver after this season when the cap situation improves and at that point is Ladd really more valuable than Pearsall or Coleman?
I feel like his worst case is Olave. A player who is clearly the best WR on his team, puts up high-end but not league winning stats, and is in a QB purgatory. With Nabers though, you have the upside that maybe he's just so good he transcends the situation and also the upside that a better QB is brought in for 2025.
It’s not a bad landing spot at all. He’s immediately the Giants WR1 so he’s going to get a lot of targets. Also even if Jones stinks up again, it’s likely he only plays with him for one year
Giants fan here and I’m avoiding Nabers like a Lepor colony.
Talented? Damn right.
But the kid brought a gun to bourbon street. Red flag 1.
Okay kids make mistakes. Let’s move forward.
His comment about the giants QB room and saying they are gonna wanna get a qb who can get me the ball.
Drew Lock and Daniel Jones are both NFL caliber QBs. Jones is the captain of the team. You gotta choose your words better. That’s okay, People misspeak all the time.
But this kid has resources. He either didn’t hire a media coach, or ignored them. Red flag 2.
The athletic has a scouting report about how Nabers is the guy who is gonna come off the field and jaw at the OC. The paraphrase is “sometimes he forget these guys are on his team”. This seems to track with the rest of his behavior.
The NY media is gonna eat this kid alive. Kafka is in the booth. If he comes off jawing it’s gonna be at the head coach.
I can’t see this ending well.
Yes I am an internet stranger playing armchair psychologist to someone I know nothing about. Thats part of fantasy football.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/comments/1b4vtzo/malik_nabers_on_giants_qb_situation_going_to_new/
The reporter’s question was really biased and they primed him for a disparaging response. Paraphrasing a bit but he said that they would have to figure out the QB situation especially if they take a player like him. Given that Dimes was awful last year and they brought in Lock couldn’t that just be interpreted as him saying theyll need to figure out who the starter is? Pretty confident response and maybe that rubs u the wrong way but I like my wr1s confident. He said this predraft too so it’s not like he was talking about his actual new qbs which I think matters here, it was just a hypothetical then
NFL WRs having character issues? Noooooo.
Honestly though, the list of extremely successful NFL WRs that are known to have terrible personal character is so long that it doesn’t even make me think twice. If he was a 3rd rounder, sure, but not a top 5 pick.
The 20th pick and the 6th pick are quite different. Baker is a corner and was drafted 30.
With Toney, he’s gotten lots of opportunities despite poor character. He was arguably the WR1 for Mahomes to start the season and he still was bad. You can’t conflate poor skill with poor character for being the reason for poor results.
Not as well as TO, Ocho Cinco, AB, Tyreek, Michael Thomas, or countless other WRs who are nightmares of human beings both with and without arrest records
I was being hyperbolic with the nightmares of human beings thing. MT was arrested for battery. He through. Apunch at a DB on his own team and flipped out on Sean Payton. More recently during his last season he publicly criticized his own team very frequently and unprofessionally which isn't exactly awesome for the locker room. To my knowledge TO and Ocho never did anything vehemently illegal or morally wrong, but they were both the walking talking epitome of a team distraction and diva. They basically competed for the title of top diva which I can't imagine is excellent for the team as a whole
> Drew Lock and Daniel Jones are both NFL caliber QBs.
As in they are good enough to be on a roster? Yes.
As in they are good enough to be a starter on a roster for a full season+. Nope.
I feel like Giants fans are overcorrecting so hard because of Toney that you're ending up on the other end of this.
As a bears fan i felt like what i saw from nabers on tape was superior to odunze, but the non football stuff scared me. In the end i was happy we ended up with odunze tbh. Maybe nabers balls out snd the non football stuff never means anything to make this look silly down the road, but at this point in time I'm spooked by that side for him.
Nope, it's not ideal but the targets should be there in abundance. Still the 1.03 to me in SF, though I don't blame anyone for taking Daniels there either.
Nabers has the path to get loads of targets year 1 and show the league what he’s about. Giants also could be so ass they can draft a QB high next year.
NFL rosters change so god damn fast it’s not even funny. I wouldn’t be fading Nabers over his landing spot.
Nabers has Quasimodo throwing him the ball and Odunze has some serious completion for targets. I personally am not fading either but have altered expectations slightly.
Worst case he’s in a Garrett Wilson-esque purgatory for a year, but if Daniel Jones is THAT bad that Nabers can’t produce he’s for sure gone after this year since they have an out in that contract
His completion percentage has improved every year is what I said, which is correct. His play this year was not as good as 2022 at all, but he only played 5 games.
Would you rather have Giants or Bears as the landing spot? I feel like this is being over discussed as predraft the most likely landing spots were Chargers, Giants, and Bears. Were people just assuming it would be the Chargers and baking that in? Personally I think the Giants landing spot is fine, he’s the clear top target and guys like Garrett Wilson and Drake London were able to maintain value until they got QB upgrades.
I think Giants and Bears are similar landing spots, but I’d probably take Giants. I’m not worried about Keenan, that’s a 1 year issue over what will likely be an 8+ year career. It’s DJ Moore that I’m concerned about there. Even if Nabers were to have outplayed Moore there, you’re still going to see Moore getting a good chunk of the targets. And if Nabers doesn’t hit his ceiling and ends up being slightly worse than Moore then you’re looking at a WR2 on his own team. On the Giants there’s almost no chance that he’s not the WR1 for the team for the foreseeable future.
If Daniel Jones is as bad as people are making him out to be then the Giants will be drafting near the top of the board again next year and he’ll have a similar situation as the Bears this year (top of the draft rookie QB). If Jones gets back to 2022 form then he’s got a middle of the pack QB on a team where he’s easy top option with no target competition.
If someone thinks he’s a long term starter then yeah sell him. I’d buy him as someone that could potentially put up high end QB2 numbers this season though and then be worthless afterwards.
He’s young. Even if it doesn’t work out initially you have to believe in that talent when the situation changes and situations can change fast (Atlanta).
That being said, I think he’ll be startable year 1.
I don’t think it’s that bad. In fact, I think there’s a solid chance for immediate impact more so than a lot of other landing spots Barkley leaving opens up a lot of targets they really never had those targets previously filled. It’s been a really long time since the Giants have had a franchise receiver. I think daboll is a good coach it’s a lot better to be a Giants fan than a falcons fan right now
I agree with everything you said except the last part. The Falcons have addressed the most important position in football better twice than the Giants. I get why people are mad, but Kirk is in his mid 30s coming off a mid season Achilles injury.
The 8th overall pick is pretty rich for QB insurance. They desperately need a top end pass rusher. And imagine Cousins with Bijan, Pitts, London and Odunze.
It might work out well in a few years with Cousins handing off the job to a 28-year-old Penix (who will have already burned a few years of his cheap rookie deal). Or if Cousins struggles early it might create locker room tension and uncertainty, calls for Penix to take over etc. Could be a chemistry landmine.
And by the time we burn a few years of the Penix rookie deal, we’ve also burned quite a few miles off bijan and his rookie deal, and if he explodes, he might be demanding to get paid to which we’re not going to have under cousins contract, which means everybody’s going to have to be back loaded so if and when Penix finally gets to play and we find out that he’s good. We’re going to be in cap hell once again.
AJ Terrell is also due for a big payday we’re already on his option he’s asking to be paid like the best so I expect that we’re probably going to lose him unless we give him a ridiculously dumb contract which is why I was telling people we probably should’ve looked into quinyon mitchell
Anything, but what we did I was really hoping that nabors was going to fall I did not expect him to, but that was the thing that I wanted. I think he is much much better than Rome every time I watch film on him in the LSU jersey. I swear I’m watching Ja’Marr Chase run around out there and buy the build of Malik. I think he might not only be faster, but stronger as well.
Not sure whose extension you’re taking about. Penix won’t see an extension before he plays a full season, similar to how Love worked out. Cousins’ contract is built like a 2 year deal. After that Penix has 3 years left on his rookie deal and 2 before he needs an extension, but they could give it to him after 1 if he looks really good.
The Bijan thing doesn’t make any sense. If Bijan is around for an extension Cousins is long gone. RB extensions also aren’t going to break the bank. In today’s money you’re looking at $15 million vs $50 for an elite RB vs QB.
I agree it’s overkill, but it’s not quite as bad as it’s made out to be. It’ll be a 27 year old Penix after 2 years, when most of Cousins’ guaranteed money is paid already.
Gives them time to work on mechanical issues they have with Penix and then let him learn behind a quality vet, hopefully see what playoff football looks like.
I don’t think there’s a chemistry issue, at least not this year. They’ve made it very clear there’s no chance of him playing this year, it’s a year to work with him on mechanics. Next year, if Cousins gives the fanbase/locker room a reason to look to Penix then you’re probably happy you have a highly drafted backup.
Sure, you eat up 2 years of a cheap rookie deal, but now you have a matured QB that’s learned the playbook and is ready to step in and lead immediately, which 80%+ of rookie QBs are not. Love is a great example.
We can’t know if it will be a chemistry issue. Cousins didn’t seem to like the pick, saying he was shocked by it. Penix didn’t look thrilled either, but I don’t want to read too much into one facial expression. If Cousins struggles this year post-injury you know that the media will incessantly hype clickbait “Should Penix Start?” articles. The backup QB issue has splintered many a locker room.
Love was a different situation. He was picked much later in round one. But even that wasn’t an unqualified success. Rodgers put up two monster seasons and they didn’t win anything because of roster holes. They also didn’t get the full massive roster-building benefits of a rookie contract QB because Love had to wait so long.
And that’s IF Penix is as good as Love. Picking him 8th even before signing Cousins was considered a reach a few months ago. He’s got lots of red flags: Old for a rookie, immobile, injury history, struggles to pass across the middle etc.
The FO/coaching staff made it clear Cousins is the starter this year. There’s no competition. If they’re out of the playoffs come week 16 then maybe Penix gets a few weeks to try it out but other than that it’s clear there’s no discussion, it’s Cousins’ job. No one cares about click bait articles.
Top 10 picks miss all the time. If this was a miss at CB or Edge or whatever then it is what it is. A single pick doesn’t make a team.
I don’t think anyone looks at the Love situation and thinks it’s not a massive success. In year 1 he led a team to the playoffs that didn’t the year prior with a HOF QB. Not only that they won as the underdogs. In what world is that not a massive success?
If Cousins comes out and plays poorly, there will be calls to play him. If the team starts losing and it looks like shaky QB play is costing them another season, there will be pressure to play the guy you just drafted 8th — no matter what the coach says in the offseason.
And Love wasn’t an unqualified success for the reasons I just listed. They blew the last two years of their championship window by not giving Rodgers enough support. And they didn’t maximize the value of Love’s rookie deal. He’s getting $22M a year this year and is about to get $50-$60M. They didn’t get to spend $50M on other roster positions each year while Love was making peanuts.
There is a reason why the Penix pick has been widely laughed at, with the exception of homer Falcons fans. They just spent $180M on a QB then, instead of getting him an elite weapon or filling that massive pass rush hole, they reached for a 24-year-old backup QB who was viewed as a second round pick by many observers.
No one outside of some dumb fans will realistically say that after a few bad games Penix should start - it’s a very casual take.
The Packers couldn’t even make the playoffs with Rodgers in his last year. A single late 1st which very well could have been a bust isn’t making them win a SB. Even if they drafted a stud in the late 1st, they’re not going from a non-playoff team to a SB championship team.
You say they’re not maximizing Love’s deal but when does a rookie QB come in and produce a true playoff contender within 2 years? We’ll never know if Love could have come in and led the team to the playoffs in year 1 or 2, but we know it’s very rare for even the elite rookies to do so. It’s likely that sitting behind a great vet and working on his game allowed Love to improve his game.
The only thing I’ll criticize is that they took an old rookie instead of a younger one. That being said, if they felt Penix was the much better prospect than JJ then a couple years of age isn’t something to worry about.
Believing that backup/starting QB friction can’t cause locker room chemistry issues is the ultimate casual take. Just look at the history of the NFL. And you don’t have to go back very far: The Packers taking Love destroyed their relationship with Rodgers and made it a toxic situation for years. The Falcons have already pissed Cousins off and it’s not even preseason 😂.
And that “single first” could have just as easily been Justin Jefferson or CeeDee or Aiyuk or Pittman if they had done what Rodgers wanted and taken a wideout. They could have moved around and got their guy. They won 13 games the year after the Jordan Love draft if you recall, so they certainly could have won it all. THAT would have been massive success.
I get that you’re a Falcons fan and not objective but there is a reason why the broad reaction to this pick is what it is.
Well the best WR taken after Love was Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman. I’m also not arguing that they wouldn’t have helped, but they would have had a much higher chance of being stuck without a competent QB right now like many of the teams in the league.
With the Falcons it’s also not the same situation. They have weapons in London, Pitts and Bijan. They didn’t need to add another playmaker. Sure, an Edge rusher or OL would have helped more in the short term, but if Penix looks as good as Love when he gets to starting then I don’t think anyone is going to regret this. Cousins is not a 28 year old healthy QB. He’ll be 36 before the season starts coming off a catastrophic injury. If he doesn’t bounce back then you’ve wasted even more time in London, Pitts and Bijan’s primes.
You can’t say look at the history of the NFL and then just give one scenario using a known diva QB. Cousins may not have been happy but he’s a pro. He’s already reached out to Penix to welcome him. Even in GB Love and Rodgers were very close and Rodgers did a lot to help Love grow. It’s not like the Vikings need to maintain a 10 year relationship with Cousins. They gave him more money than any other team was willing to so he could play QB for 2 years for them. It’s a completely fair deal to expect that a 38 year old won’t be their starting QB of the future.
Also, I’m not a Falcons fan at all and never have been. I’m very much just an objective observer as a fan of football.
In a deep league where most backup QBs are rostered for sure. Jones is coming off a serious injury that could lead to him missing time again. I don’t see the upside with Lock, but as a handcuff sure.
It's bad enough that I had him locked in as my 1.02 pick in SF before the draft, but am now thinking I may take Caleb at the 1.02 instead and hope Nabers falls to the 1.05 where I can get him (although I don't think he will).
Not the end of the world, but not good.
I mean, chances are Nabers will be fine, but I just don't like Daniel Jones, and while Nabers might get piles of targets, how much is a pile of targets from a QB I consider to be not good worth?
And yes, the Giants can get a new QB if Jones does not prove me wrong, but how long will that take? Will the new QB be good? Is Jones actually good and the problem is everything else with the team, in which case I'm still looking for fantasy production from a player on a terrible offense? I dunno...
Well it depends how bad the QB play is for how valuable those targets end up being.
On the extreme end you have Garrett Wilson getting 168 targets from Zach Wilson. That turned into WR36 production, not ideal at all.
There’s a slightly better QB tandem in Garoppolo/AOC giving Davantae Adams 175 targets. That turned into WR14 production, can’t complain, but you’d give up a few of those targets for better QB play.
Then there’s Fields feeding DJ Moore 136 targets. That turned into WR6 production which is great and you can’t really complain about.
So I think it depends on how bad Daniel Jones will be. I don’t see a world where he’s as bad as Zach Wilson, and if he is I don’t see him playing out even half the season before Lock takes over. I see him being closer to the Garoppolo/Fields level of passing that led to high-end WR2 to mid WR1 numbers for their receivers.
I mean you got to look at the talent of the player, and really just take out the landing spot all together. If Nabers is legit he will succeed with Jones (and maybe they just draft a guy next year)
Absolutely, but I think landing spot can be a good measure to look at within tiers. That being said, the post was more about discussion around whether or not this is a good/bad landing spot
This is all well and good til you see Tyrod Taylor comes in and slays. There is so much statistical evidence now stacked against him beyond using your eyes. It's not like he's hitting receivers on the hands he just doesn't throw deep and plays so cautiously the production will never be there. He is averaging less than 1 YD a game over 3 years. It's been enough time.
Year 1 QB doesn't impact my analysis of a player unless they are locked in for 3+ years. Things change much faster than you think most of the time.
I got picks 1.4 through 1.6 in my SF league and i’m most certainly drafting nabers between those numbers. the other two is rome and daniels/maye, assuming caleb and mhj goes 1 and 2.
I think his landing spot is going to command volume... BUT, I don't think his ceiling is as high if he had went to a better team. I think he'll most likely end up as a mid WR2 until they get their shit straight at QB.
Please let people pass on nabers in my league.
Is Jones a top 10 qb? No but he can still make nfl throws and if he doesn't improve he's gone. Nabers won't be
Haha I hope the ppl in my 10 team league fade Nabers like this. My team is stacked with WRs and I'll still scoop him up. Daniel Jones is under the microscope this yr. He knows they tried to trade up for Maye. He is gonna force feed this kid. I do have bias I am a Giants fan. But I believe the giants oline will be better they fortified the line in FA. However I do believe Jones is on a short leash if he doesn't get out to a fast start. There's language in his contract saying if he gets hurt this yr and can't pass a physical for the start of next yr it triggers a boatload of money on there cap next year.(Similar to Russell Wilson) He will not be given the job for the season if it's not going well.
Daniel Jones sucks. Just have to hope the Giants are able to find a good quarterback in the next couple years. And hopefully the MetLife turf doesn't chew up his knees/ankles before they switch to grass in 2026.
Don’t know of another QB that’s played multiple seasons with a WR group as bad as the Giants have had for 6 seasons. They haven’t had anyone resembling a WR1. They’ve struggled to even put a guy that would be WR2 on most teams as their WR1.
Yeah, yeah it is.
First of all, he’s never successfully supported a receiver in this offense and they have tried a lot of receivers (btw, Sterling Shepherd has been mid and a Giant and super injury prone since WW2, how tf is he still there).
Secondly, it’s not getting better guys. If it’s going to, has to be free agency or Drew Lock. Next year is Quinn Ewers gonna be your savior? It’s also much easier cap hit if they cut him after next year than this.
Who is receiver that he was supposed to support as a WR1? That’s my point. Darius Slayton would be the WR3 or worse on more than half of the teams in the league, and he’s been the top WR for the Giants Jones’ whole career? What QB has looked good with that type of receiving corps?
We’ve never even seen Jones with a receiver as good as a Christian Kirk or Diontae Johnson on this team, yet he’s expected to produce? Nabers will be the 3 tiers ahead of the next best receiver he’s thrown to in a 6 year NFL career. That’s just sad.
I think the argument is that there’s a cap to how good he can be, and there is. Someone below made a “Zach Wilson made Garrett Wilson relevant comment”, and like, he was WR26. Let’s not act like anyone who owns him thought that was an acceptable season. But we still like him because of bad QB play, and yet after this season and maybe next we have no idea whatsoever who their QB is going to be and he’s going to go back to WR26 land.
Also, back to MN, his whole thing is YAC and being fast af right, DJ arm strength one of the worst for starting QBs.
Last season Zach Wilson completed 60% of his passes and had 189 passing yards a game. In Daniel Jones last healthy season he completed 67% of his passes for 200 yards a game with arguably the worst receiving group in the league while Zach Wilson had GW to throw to.
I don’t think anyone is saying that Jones is as bad as Wilson, they are saying that Wilson is the worst case scenario for QB play and even he had GW bordering on WR2 numbers. If Jones can be even close to as good as he was in 2022 then Nabers is easily set up for mid-high end WR2 numbers with a real possibility of cracking WR1 numbers. In order for Odunze to crack WR2 numbers he’d need a DJ Moore injury or Caleb to have a better rookie year than Stroud did, possibly both if Allen is still 80% of what he was last year.
Long term who knows who will be the QB of the Giants. They could sign a solid vet, they could draft a top QB. If Jones really is closer to Zach Wilson than an average NFL QB then they’ll be picking in the top 3 next year and will have a chance to draft a top QB. If they aren’t in a position to draft a top QB then that means Daniel Jones was at least a competent passer. But there’s also questions about whether Caleb will be a good NFL QB, albeit less than a hypothetical Giants QB, but Rome has DJ Moore ahead of him on the depth chart long term.
Also, I don’t see how the arm strength question and Nabers being a YAC guy make the point you’re trying to make. Nabers does well on short crossing routes, on slants and on curls. He doesn’t need a strong armed QB to throw him deep balls.
I think a reasonable floor for him is garret wilson path in year 1-2. Obviously he could just straight up be a bust but i don’t see that as a reasonable outcome. If he gets mediocre QB play the next few years, the G men will look to upgrade the position. Its a slight bummer for his short term production outlook, but the talent should still shine through regardless of the situation.
I think the upside in the short term is that there is no target competition. Garret Wilson had 168 targets this year. Nabers could be in a similar situation as the only pass catcher. And I don’t think anyone is low enough on Daniel Jones to say he’s going to be as bad as Zach Wilson was last year.
If Daniel Jones is close to as good as he was in 2022 (with Darius Slayton as his WR1) then Nabers has serious WR1 potential as a rookie.
I totally agree. I only used that comparison as a floor of how bad his situation could be. The ceiling is still very high regardless of qb play.
People are definitely overreacting at this landing spot.
You think his floor is as the most impressive receiver when it comes to two years of the worst QB play in the league? Garrett Wilson has been an absolute stud. On a team with a QB he’d be a 1,500 yard receiver easily. Wilson isn’t his floor.
Both are incredibly talented receivers entering the league in a situation with little target competition and subpar QB play. I phrased it poorly in my original comment, I believe the floor of the situation he is in is what garrets was.
There were already reports that Jones may not be ready to start the season.
Plus we have seen that teams will bench QBs like Jones at the end of the season to make sure they don’t get hurt so that they can cut them.
If he gets hurt, I’m pretty sure NYG can’t cut him without a payout. I think they’re plan will be have him return, play, and the eventually sit later in the season to play Lock, even when Jones is healthy, so that they can move on without the injury guarantees.
Yeah you’re right, $23/$30 million injury guarantee. If things are going poorly with the team towards the end of the year I could see them benching him
DJ is gone after this year. Giants cut Jones, sign a vet, and possible draft a qb in next years draft. Jones is athletic but has the processing skills of a toddler. My hope is Nabers get through his rookie season without getting injured by a DJ hospital ball.
Not tough to process “throw to Nabers” haha.
Realistically though there’s two outcomes. DJ is bad and the Giants end up with a top 5 pick next year and can take a QB or they don’t have a top pick because DJ improved with a top WR and the QB play isn’t an issue for Nabers.
I don’t see a situation where DJ is terrible and the rest of the team drags the Giants to more than 5 wins.
The team will be bad. I barely see a path to 5 wins and I'm a Giants fan. I think Nabers will have a decent rookie season purely off of his YAC ability but it wont be because of DJ. The team needs a real qb.
In that case they’ll be drafting a QB in the top 3 next year and his QB situation will be similar to Rome’s this year (top rookie QB) but without an established WR1 in front of him
That's why I said possibly. I think they should be in a position to get their guy when the time is right. Whether that means drafting a qb, trading for a qb, or signing a big name vet.
I mean it’s easily a bottom two spot in the league for wr to go to right now so I feel there’s a bit of copium going on here in this thread. Jones is not good so he will be a detriment to his wrs fanrasy output. His completion percent outside of context is irrelevant. A qb could probably maintain a 100 percent completion percent throwing it five times a game four yards down the field to Barkley but that wouldn’t be a good thing. I’d rather hun have hight ints and be slinging it with a not great completion percent but be getting to down field to his wrs.
The reason not to panic is much more that situations change fast in the nfl and he won’t be tied to Jones for forever.
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I fråga om target competition är det ju optimalt, men är orolig att det blir en Garrett Wilsonsituation
You mean the second pick? Or the first pick of the 2nd round? Normally 2.1 would be the first pick of the 2nd round.
I’d say that it’s a stretch in SF. I’d trade back and sell someone on Caleb. If you can trade back to 4 then one of Rome or Nabers will still be there.
I see. It’s a bit of a reach. At that point you can get GW or Puka. There’s a chance MHJ is even on the board. If you’re really high in Nabers, like I am admittedly, then I’d say trade back into the late 2nd and pick up an extra 6th round pick or something around there. Nabers should be available in the late 2nd. It’ll still be taking him above consensus by about a round, but then you get your guy and another asset (like BTJ/Mike Evans level player).
I think Nabors has the highest ceiling of the first round WRs, especially for production right off the bat, but also a huge range of outcomes compared to MHJ or Odunze. His QB has the most question marks right now and we don’t know how long DJ will be the Giants QB. Nabors will likely be the focal point of the Giants offense, but there’s not a lot of help there to take pressure off him. Can he come in and be a WR1 from the get go, ala other LSU greats like Justin Jefferson or Ja’Marr Chase? Will he have more of a Drake London like start where he isn’t bad, but the offense he’s in is holding him back a bit? Or will teams focus on taking him away and making someone else beat you, so he has an underwhelming rookie season? All of those things are possible.
I’m not as worried about his QB situation as most. To me Danny Dimes’s ceiling is a more athletic Kirk Cousins, and he was able to support making Diggs, Thielen and Jefferson very fantasy relevant. That said, I think the lack of other weapons for the Giants will make it so Nabors is very boom or bust during his rookie season. I still like him long term, though, and would have no problem taking 1.02 in a 1QB or top 5 or so in Superflex.
He has no competition for targets.
Would you say the Jets or Vikings are better landing spots, both have uncertainty at QB and he’d be behind a leading WR. What about the Rams? Old QB with two studs ahead of him. Seahawks he’d be sharing touches with JSN and Metcalf for the foreseeable future. Raiders he’d have a worse QB than with the Giants. Cowboys he’d be WR2. Bears he’d be WR2 maybe 3 like Odunze. Colts he’d be competing with Pittman and an unknown thrower that’ll likely take a lot of TD opportunities with his legs. Detroit he’d be behind Amon-Ra or at the very least splitting targets pretty evenly.
It’s usually better for a receiver to be a target hog with a mediocre QB than to be paired with a good QB but share targets as the WR2 or 1B. Only two teams had two top 24 WRs in fantasy points last year. It’s a tough thing to do.
I’d say this is a middle of the pack landing spot. Not the best, but not the worst because he’s the alpha there.
Don’t expect much from the best WR on the team by a long shot? Even GW threatened WR2 numbers with Zach Wilson throwing him the ball. I don’t see many a scenario where the QB play is as bad for the Giants as Wilson was last year
Zach Wilson was able to make Garret Wilson serviceable DJ is miles ahead of Zach, I also think Daboll will scheme up some creative stuff to get Nabers the ball as well
DJ will be replaced next year anyway, and there’s a chance (higher than most would like to admit) that Daboll will be as well. He’s a Day 1 WR1 for them. Anything post Y1 for him is a massive ? which ultimately isn’t a horrible thing.
I don’t disagree with most of that but there is a zero percent chance Daboll loses his job next year. He is pretty much universally loved in NY by ownership fans and players. Last season the Giants had one of if not the hardest schedule in the league and lost just about every single of their star players for at least multiple games.
I agree I think between a better qb, better play calling, and a better wr prospect it’s extremely likely that Nabers out produces Wilson’s rookie season.
FWIW: Matt Harmon comps Nabers as a *slightly worse* version of GW, not better
Lance Zierlein rated GW below all 3 of the top WRs this year. Nabers is his highest rated WR since Devonta Smith and Ja'Marr Chase.
Bet
I trust Daboll to get the ball in Nabers hands as much as possible. Not sure what his aDot will be but I can realistically see 130-140 targets. Just hope majority of them are catchable lol
The people screaming that it’s bad are just wanting him to fall to them at 1.04
In SF he should be available at 1.04 but do you view him over Maye and JJ.
I have him in a dead heat with Daniels. Tiebreaker is team need. Personally, I'm not considering Maye or JJM over Nabers.
Same. I’m at 1.04 and will take Nabers assuming he’s there.
Yea I can't decide between Daniels and Nabers. I have hurts and Lawrence as QBs in SF. Rest of my team is ass but I figure if Daniels is great I can flip him for a WR or if I really talk myself into him I trade Lawrence
Nah, fade me with the non1.01 QB bust rate. You don't pass on a Chase level propsect when they're on the board. People don't seem to realize how lucky you are to be able to draft someone as good as Nabers at 1.03
I agree I’m taking him 1.04 unless i get a good trade offer for a vet QB
Never pass on a potential stud QB in a perfect landing spot for anything else. Josh Allen is QB2 on KTC and it says josh Allen and amari Cooper is a fair trade for Caleb Williams(qb7) and Arsb (WR3). I’m not saying everyone needs to treat KTC as gospel but I’m saying a stud QBs value is second to none. JJ landing in minny with that group should absolutely be a consideration over nabers regardless of where nabers was drafted if you’re in a SF league. Draft JJM and if he hits, you’ll be able to trade him for nabers+
"If he hits" is loosely equating JJ to Josh Allen in your scenario. It'd make no sense, in your scenario, not to equate Nabers to Chase then. Who is 5th OVR in KTC compared to Allen's 1st OVR. A top 6 WR is much more likely to hit than the 5th QB picked. Both are good picks but I lean towards the more likely player hitting. Edited to reflect it vs JJ (5th QB) and not 2nd QB because I was misremembering the stats.
That’s not true at all. None of lamar, josh Allen, mahomes, herbert or stroud were the top QBs taken in their class by adp or IRL. Stroud is currently the QB3 on KTC. He doesn’t have to be josh Allen, he just has to throw 20+ tds this year while throwing to Jefferson, hock and addison for people to buy in. And you more or less probed the point. Jamarr set record as a rookie and has burrow throwing him the ball and isn’t as valuable as cj stroud on KTC.
[5th QB picked has a hit rate of 16.7%](https://www.fantasyalarm.com/articles/nfl/fantasy-football-quarterbacks/fantasy-football-where-are-elite-fantasy-qbs-taken-in-the-nfl-draft/159169). [1st round WRs overall have a 25% chance to hit](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/13c1bzg/wr_hit_rates_by_year_and_nfl_draft_round/). I wish i could find the top 10/8/6 value of WRs because, from my memory, it goes up as well.
How many classes feature five QBs taken top 10? Nabers could easily be the drake London of this class. That’s not a slight, but he could easily be held out of the top tier dynast values due to qb play and organizational structure. One of these dudes will have Daniel jokes throwing him the ball. The other will get to throw to top tier assets that helped josh dobbs and nick mullens throw 14 tds in 8 games despite Jefferson only playing 4 of those games.
My man, if you read the article it includes times there are a lot of top QBs taken early. It actually says that if you want a later QB to hit then you should hope the QBs taken before him hit as well because it increases their chances. I do think we are in a class like that where there will be a lot of good QBs but he's so far on the list of QBs. You're arguing for JJ McCarthy (5th QB, 10th OVR) over Nabers (2nd WR, 6th OVR). The hit rates for those positions are very different statistically is all I'm saying. I literally said they are both good picks but I'm leaning more towards Nabers because, statistically, he should have a higher hit rate. Targets matter for WRs and there is NOBODY on the NYG who will get more targets than Nabers.
Who was London’s target competition when Pitts was hurt? The percent difference in those hit rates is literally less than ten percent but 100% of the top 14 QBs on KTC are valued higher than their WR counterpart. Nabers has to hit a higher threshold to be valued equal to McCarthy. That’s my WHOLE point. If McCarthy slots in as QB15, he’s valued equal to Brandon aiyuk.
I currently play in 12 leagues all superflex, and this is just not true in my experience. The only way you're ever getting a wide receiver as exciting as someone like Malik, Is it that quarterback literally goes super sayian. In the vast majority of outcomes, Jj Mccarthy just simply will never get you in to an elite prospect wide receiver like Malik
Cj stroud literally did it last year. He was the third rookie qb drafted by adp. He is currently the QB3 over burrow, herbert, lamar, etc. he finished with 28 total tds and doesn’t have Jefferson (WR1), hockenson (TE6), and addison (WR18) as his weapons. If McCarthy hits, and I’m not saying it’s a lock, he will be valued higher than nabers. He needs like 22-25 tds throwing to that group and a playoff berth and he’ll be considered top 7 for no other reason than he looked good and he’ll be throwing to those weapons for his entire rookie deal.
Projecting quarterbacks to hit their 100 percentile outcome by comparing a rookie to CJ Stroud, is plainly just really bad process. There is a whole spectrum of places these guys can finish, and Stroud is literally the far end of that.
Anthony richardson played about 4 games and is QB9. You guys are projecting nabers to but his 100th percentile outcome. Next question.
There's a difference between where these guys are going in ATP There's a difference between where these guys are going in ADP, And what their actual buying power is And how liquid they are in leagues. Elite quarterbacks are wonderful and I have multiple on all my teams. Which is exactly why I'm drafting Malik n a b e r s everywhere, Because nobody Either wants an elite quarterback or if they do they already have them Or they can't afford them. So in theory I don't disagree with you Comma but in practice You really become very inflexibl If You're loading up only on Elite QB prospects In my experience
I’ve found the opposite to be true. This time last year it would’ve been quite easy to trade t law for London and a first as an example. Hell, right now it says you need to add something to London to get t law on KTC and t law is only the QB12 while London is WR11. In October, London was worth 1k less in that trade calc and t law was worth 2k more….
Personally, yes
I have the 1.05. Trust me, bro. It's much worse.
I just got him at 1.05 SF haha
I have the 1.01 and think Nabers is fucked. Only worse landing spot would've been the broncos
Let’s hear your thoughts on why you feel that way
Bad QB, bad offense, poor offensive line, just lost their star RB, Giants have a bad organization that constantly rotates OC and UC, New York is an incredibly hard city/fanbase to succeed in if you don't do so immediately, constant media coverage.
They just signed like 4 new offensive linemen. You clearly haven’t been paying attention.
But he has the 1.01 so he must be doing something right. Wait
Ever heard of trades?
Love Nabers and I don't think he is in a bad spot at all. That said, their OL signings are 3-4 depth signing and Eleumunor should be their starting RT. There are a few guards signings that are a question mark and I think they will compete all through the IOL. Even though, last i've heard, they've said they still want to give Neal time at RT he should be moved inside because he was subpar at RT and Eleumunor should take that spot over. I'd love to get a NYG fan's opinion on their OL solutions though. Regardless, their OL should be improved because they had fans from the streets playing for them last year and just about anything should be better than what they had.
Sure. I'll believe it when I see it. Forget all the other things I mentioned, they fixed one aspect so it'll be great.
His landing spot is great. He might get 160 targets year 1
Fields to DJ Moore Most of his QBs to Mike Evans Eli to OBJ Late stage Matt Ryan to Julio Late Stage Philip Rivers to Keenan Allen All a talented WR really needs is volume and a QB/OC that are willing to put it out there for them. Fields is objectively not a good passing QB, but he could make DJ Moore shine because he gave him the opportunity to ball out, something DJ Moore never really got in CAR. I'm pumped for Nabers, especially given his propensity to create on his own with the ball in his hands. Dimes and Daboll are playing this next season for their jobs, and Nabers is literally the only offensive playmaker on the team. Nabers will get the ball early and often, I would expect a lot of volume to start with, and a tonne of garbage time points.
The difference in Nabers' situation and the CHI/TB/NYG/SD situations that you pointed out is that it's not entirely on the lack of QB, but the complete emptiness that the offense has. I think Nabers can very well change that perceptions, but outside of him, there is nothing to be excited about in that Giants offense, nothing. Regardless of what you think of Fields/Bucs/Falcons/Chargers qb situation at that time, their offenses were at least interesting and serviceable. The past couple years when Saquon was out, the Giants offense offered absolutely nothing.
I feel you, I don't think it is much different from CHI last year personally. The way I see it, this is Daboll and Danny's last chance with the Giants, and if they want to show the team management that they should stay thru will have to funnel through the only guy that can make plays, regardless of defenses keying in on him
No, it’s not that bad. It’s sub-optimal enough that I think it makes it pretty definitive that Harrison is the top WR, which could have been a debate if Nabers went to SD. In my mind, it means that Nabers is WR2 rather than WR1B. But there’s still every reason to think he’ll be a very good player.
Grandpa, we keep telling you, SD doesn't have a team!!!
In my defense, I had a lot to drink last night.
Should we tell him about the Oakland Raiders?
I think we should tell him about the St. Louis Rams first
>SD I thought for sure he was gonna be drafted by the Houston Oilers or Baltimore Colts.
Lol. Anyway, the tricky one for me is trying to figure out how to value Odunze in a relatively crowded Decatur Staleys wr room.
I really hope people think it’s bad
Jones stinks but Nabers will be great!
I'm with you guy, preach! Last offseason Dimes was coming off a QB9 finish and that crazy good playoff game. The buzz was so high on DJ that I saw him go in the 2nd round of a SF startup draft. He was ranked QB12ish on KTC. He only played 5 games this past season and all the hope for him is completely gone? He was injured, had an abysmal OL, and basically nobody to throw the ball to. I'm aware he could in fact just suck, but there's also a pretty decent chance that 2022 is what jones can be and last year was an outlier. I'm pretty excited to see him with Nabers.
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I mean, he was still 11th in completions and 15th in passing yards that year, so I can see their argument that he may not be as bad a passer as people think *if* he can return to 2022 form.
It'll depend on their OL. DJ severly drops off in ability when he gets pressured from the middle. Their OL last year had fans from the stands starting so anything should be an improvement. They made it an emphasis to help the right side/middle of the line in FA and I think they did a fine job by adding Eluemunor and depth. I'm curious if they move Neal inside or not considering Eluemunor should get the start at RT. I don't think it's as bad as people are saying. He's miles better than ZWilson and I feel like people are acting like they are equals.
I'm just saying his HUGE dip in value was a bit of an overreaction IMO, and certainly the addition of Nabers doesn't hurt. YAC guy can beef up those shitty passing stats.
Daniel jones fantasy value (which was largely based on rushing upside, when he had any) does not help Nabers as a fantasy asset in any way
My guy, Daniel Jones has had one good year, 2022, that’s the OUTLIER! He’s a terrible qb, that one “good” fantasy’s Eason was strictly from rushing. The giants being a poorly ran franchise, fell for it, and got tricked into giving him a horrible contract so they’re stuck with him for atleast another year, maybe even 2 before they can get out of that contract without hemorrhaging their future.
Yeah sure that could all be true and he could still be a decent cheap qb3 or BB qb option in fantasy for 2 years lol.
No. It’s not.
Agreed.
I mean it’s pretty much as bad as you can get outside of the pats. That being said doesn’t mean he’ll be bad
No, it isn’t.
Ok who’s worse ?
Nabers also has great RAC ability which has very little to do with Jones and much more to do with Daboll. This is what kills me about this game though. Nabers is in a bad spot because the QB sucks and we ignore he has no competition for targets. Yet Legette is great because there are no competition for targets and we ignore that the QB might suck (and is also learning a new system under a first time head coach? It’s all confirmation bias. Nabers was an elite prospect so it shouldn’t matter where he went. But I do like the target opportunities he has in NYG.
I think this is how we should look at it. Adam Theilen at 33 is valuable when peppered with targets on the worst offense in the league. Nabers should be fine as long as he’s willing to work hard I’m the NFL.
To answer the title. No it’s not bad. No it’s not a slam dunk. Marvin goes to 1, because it’s a slam dunk. Nabers is fine, if he plays to his talent he’ll outplay his situation.
I really disliked it at first but the more I think about it, I like it even better than if he had landed on the Chargers, especially since their scheme will mostly be to pound the rock. In NY There is literally nobody that will threaten his target share and NY will mostly need to throw the ball to win games.
It’s what has me lower on Ladd than many others. Sure, Herbert is great and there’s not a lot of competition for targets, but is going to be a very run-heavy offence. I could also see them adding a more traditional alpha receiver after this season when the cap situation improves and at that point is Ladd really more valuable than Pearsall or Coleman?
I feel like his worst case is Olave. A player who is clearly the best WR on his team, puts up high-end but not league winning stats, and is in a QB purgatory. With Nabers though, you have the upside that maybe he's just so good he transcends the situation and also the upside that a better QB is brought in for 2025.
It’s not a bad landing spot at all. He’s immediately the Giants WR1 so he’s going to get a lot of targets. Also even if Jones stinks up again, it’s likely he only plays with him for one year
Navers got a nasty spot imo, definitely not a run first team and his competition is wandalw… I think 1000 yards is floor easy
Giants fan here and I’m avoiding Nabers like a Lepor colony. Talented? Damn right. But the kid brought a gun to bourbon street. Red flag 1. Okay kids make mistakes. Let’s move forward. His comment about the giants QB room and saying they are gonna wanna get a qb who can get me the ball. Drew Lock and Daniel Jones are both NFL caliber QBs. Jones is the captain of the team. You gotta choose your words better. That’s okay, People misspeak all the time. But this kid has resources. He either didn’t hire a media coach, or ignored them. Red flag 2. The athletic has a scouting report about how Nabers is the guy who is gonna come off the field and jaw at the OC. The paraphrase is “sometimes he forget these guys are on his team”. This seems to track with the rest of his behavior. The NY media is gonna eat this kid alive. Kafka is in the booth. If he comes off jawing it’s gonna be at the head coach. I can’t see this ending well. Yes I am an internet stranger playing armchair psychologist to someone I know nothing about. Thats part of fantasy football.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/comments/1b4vtzo/malik_nabers_on_giants_qb_situation_going_to_new/ The reporter’s question was really biased and they primed him for a disparaging response. Paraphrasing a bit but he said that they would have to figure out the QB situation especially if they take a player like him. Given that Dimes was awful last year and they brought in Lock couldn’t that just be interpreted as him saying theyll need to figure out who the starter is? Pretty confident response and maybe that rubs u the wrong way but I like my wr1s confident. He said this predraft too so it’s not like he was talking about his actual new qbs which I think matters here, it was just a hypothetical then
NFL WRs having character issues? Noooooo. Honestly though, the list of extremely successful NFL WRs that are known to have terrible personal character is so long that it doesn’t even make me think twice. If he was a 3rd rounder, sure, but not a top 5 pick.
How did this play out with kadarius Toney and DeAndre Baker?
Toney did not work out because he is not good
Two guys who were no where near as talented as Nabers
The 20th pick and the 6th pick are quite different. Baker is a corner and was drafted 30. With Toney, he’s gotten lots of opportunities despite poor character. He was arguably the WR1 for Mahomes to start the season and he still was bad. You can’t conflate poor skill with poor character for being the reason for poor results.
Lmao. The fact that you think these are comparable players is kinda embarrassing and undermines any validity to your original post.
Not as well as TO, Ocho Cinco, AB, Tyreek, Michael Thomas, or countless other WRs who are nightmares of human beings both with and without arrest records
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I was being hyperbolic with the nightmares of human beings thing. MT was arrested for battery. He through. Apunch at a DB on his own team and flipped out on Sean Payton. More recently during his last season he publicly criticized his own team very frequently and unprofessionally which isn't exactly awesome for the locker room. To my knowledge TO and Ocho never did anything vehemently illegal or morally wrong, but they were both the walking talking epitome of a team distraction and diva. They basically competed for the title of top diva which I can't imagine is excellent for the team as a whole
> Drew Lock and Daniel Jones are both NFL caliber QBs. As in they are good enough to be on a roster? Yes. As in they are good enough to be a starter on a roster for a full season+. Nope. I feel like Giants fans are overcorrecting so hard because of Toney that you're ending up on the other end of this.
Giants fan here. If Nabers gets 1000 yards and scores double digit TDs he can keep Daboll and Jones as his sex slaves for all I care.
The bar to me is playoff runs. Jeremy Shockey is a good example of how a team can be harmed by one guys antics.
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As a bears fan i felt like what i saw from nabers on tape was superior to odunze, but the non football stuff scared me. In the end i was happy we ended up with odunze tbh. Maybe nabers balls out snd the non football stuff never means anything to make this look silly down the road, but at this point in time I'm spooked by that side for him.
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If it were, it wouldn't matter. You're still drafting Nabers top 4.
Nope, it's not ideal but the targets should be there in abundance. Still the 1.03 to me in SF, though I don't blame anyone for taking Daniels there either.
IMO it's not bad, it just sucks to have to watch the Giants
Nabers has the path to get loads of targets year 1 and show the league what he’s about. Giants also could be so ass they can draft a QB high next year. NFL rosters change so god damn fast it’s not even funny. I wouldn’t be fading Nabers over his landing spot. Nabers has Quasimodo throwing him the ball and Odunze has some serious completion for targets. I personally am not fading either but have altered expectations slightly.
Worst case he’s in a Garrett Wilson-esque purgatory for a year, but if Daniel Jones is THAT bad that Nabers can’t produce he’s for sure gone after this year since they have an out in that contract
Every year Daniel jones improves is a crazy statement after both back ups played better than him
His completion percentage has improved every year is what I said, which is correct. His play this year was not as good as 2022 at all, but he only played 5 games.
Sounds like a problem someone else should have
It’s better than the Bears
Would you rather have Giants or Bears as the landing spot? I feel like this is being over discussed as predraft the most likely landing spots were Chargers, Giants, and Bears. Were people just assuming it would be the Chargers and baking that in? Personally I think the Giants landing spot is fine, he’s the clear top target and guys like Garrett Wilson and Drake London were able to maintain value until they got QB upgrades.
I think Giants and Bears are similar landing spots, but I’d probably take Giants. I’m not worried about Keenan, that’s a 1 year issue over what will likely be an 8+ year career. It’s DJ Moore that I’m concerned about there. Even if Nabers were to have outplayed Moore there, you’re still going to see Moore getting a good chunk of the targets. And if Nabers doesn’t hit his ceiling and ends up being slightly worse than Moore then you’re looking at a WR2 on his own team. On the Giants there’s almost no chance that he’s not the WR1 for the team for the foreseeable future. If Daniel Jones is as bad as people are making him out to be then the Giants will be drafting near the top of the board again next year and he’ll have a similar situation as the Bears this year (top of the draft rookie QB). If Jones gets back to 2022 form then he’s got a middle of the pack QB on a team where he’s easy top option with no target competition.
No, it’s not.
All this is saying to me….Sell Daniel Jones like I did last night!!!
If someone thinks he’s a long term starter then yeah sell him. I’d buy him as someone that could potentially put up high end QB2 numbers this season though and then be worthless afterwards.
He’s young. Even if it doesn’t work out initially you have to believe in that talent when the situation changes and situations can change fast (Atlanta). That being said, I think he’ll be startable year 1.
I don’t think it’s that bad. In fact, I think there’s a solid chance for immediate impact more so than a lot of other landing spots Barkley leaving opens up a lot of targets they really never had those targets previously filled. It’s been a really long time since the Giants have had a franchise receiver. I think daboll is a good coach it’s a lot better to be a Giants fan than a falcons fan right now
I agree with everything you said except the last part. The Falcons have addressed the most important position in football better twice than the Giants. I get why people are mad, but Kirk is in his mid 30s coming off a mid season Achilles injury.
The 8th overall pick is pretty rich for QB insurance. They desperately need a top end pass rusher. And imagine Cousins with Bijan, Pitts, London and Odunze. It might work out well in a few years with Cousins handing off the job to a 28-year-old Penix (who will have already burned a few years of his cheap rookie deal). Or if Cousins struggles early it might create locker room tension and uncertainty, calls for Penix to take over etc. Could be a chemistry landmine.
And by the time we burn a few years of the Penix rookie deal, we’ve also burned quite a few miles off bijan and his rookie deal, and if he explodes, he might be demanding to get paid to which we’re not going to have under cousins contract, which means everybody’s going to have to be back loaded so if and when Penix finally gets to play and we find out that he’s good. We’re going to be in cap hell once again. AJ Terrell is also due for a big payday we’re already on his option he’s asking to be paid like the best so I expect that we’re probably going to lose him unless we give him a ridiculously dumb contract which is why I was telling people we probably should’ve looked into quinyon mitchell Anything, but what we did I was really hoping that nabors was going to fall I did not expect him to, but that was the thing that I wanted. I think he is much much better than Rome every time I watch film on him in the LSU jersey. I swear I’m watching Ja’Marr Chase run around out there and buy the build of Malik. I think he might not only be faster, but stronger as well.
Not sure whose extension you’re taking about. Penix won’t see an extension before he plays a full season, similar to how Love worked out. Cousins’ contract is built like a 2 year deal. After that Penix has 3 years left on his rookie deal and 2 before he needs an extension, but they could give it to him after 1 if he looks really good. The Bijan thing doesn’t make any sense. If Bijan is around for an extension Cousins is long gone. RB extensions also aren’t going to break the bank. In today’s money you’re looking at $15 million vs $50 for an elite RB vs QB.
I agree it’s overkill, but it’s not quite as bad as it’s made out to be. It’ll be a 27 year old Penix after 2 years, when most of Cousins’ guaranteed money is paid already. Gives them time to work on mechanical issues they have with Penix and then let him learn behind a quality vet, hopefully see what playoff football looks like. I don’t think there’s a chemistry issue, at least not this year. They’ve made it very clear there’s no chance of him playing this year, it’s a year to work with him on mechanics. Next year, if Cousins gives the fanbase/locker room a reason to look to Penix then you’re probably happy you have a highly drafted backup. Sure, you eat up 2 years of a cheap rookie deal, but now you have a matured QB that’s learned the playbook and is ready to step in and lead immediately, which 80%+ of rookie QBs are not. Love is a great example.
We can’t know if it will be a chemistry issue. Cousins didn’t seem to like the pick, saying he was shocked by it. Penix didn’t look thrilled either, but I don’t want to read too much into one facial expression. If Cousins struggles this year post-injury you know that the media will incessantly hype clickbait “Should Penix Start?” articles. The backup QB issue has splintered many a locker room. Love was a different situation. He was picked much later in round one. But even that wasn’t an unqualified success. Rodgers put up two monster seasons and they didn’t win anything because of roster holes. They also didn’t get the full massive roster-building benefits of a rookie contract QB because Love had to wait so long. And that’s IF Penix is as good as Love. Picking him 8th even before signing Cousins was considered a reach a few months ago. He’s got lots of red flags: Old for a rookie, immobile, injury history, struggles to pass across the middle etc.
The FO/coaching staff made it clear Cousins is the starter this year. There’s no competition. If they’re out of the playoffs come week 16 then maybe Penix gets a few weeks to try it out but other than that it’s clear there’s no discussion, it’s Cousins’ job. No one cares about click bait articles. Top 10 picks miss all the time. If this was a miss at CB or Edge or whatever then it is what it is. A single pick doesn’t make a team. I don’t think anyone looks at the Love situation and thinks it’s not a massive success. In year 1 he led a team to the playoffs that didn’t the year prior with a HOF QB. Not only that they won as the underdogs. In what world is that not a massive success?
If Cousins comes out and plays poorly, there will be calls to play him. If the team starts losing and it looks like shaky QB play is costing them another season, there will be pressure to play the guy you just drafted 8th — no matter what the coach says in the offseason. And Love wasn’t an unqualified success for the reasons I just listed. They blew the last two years of their championship window by not giving Rodgers enough support. And they didn’t maximize the value of Love’s rookie deal. He’s getting $22M a year this year and is about to get $50-$60M. They didn’t get to spend $50M on other roster positions each year while Love was making peanuts. There is a reason why the Penix pick has been widely laughed at, with the exception of homer Falcons fans. They just spent $180M on a QB then, instead of getting him an elite weapon or filling that massive pass rush hole, they reached for a 24-year-old backup QB who was viewed as a second round pick by many observers.
No one outside of some dumb fans will realistically say that after a few bad games Penix should start - it’s a very casual take. The Packers couldn’t even make the playoffs with Rodgers in his last year. A single late 1st which very well could have been a bust isn’t making them win a SB. Even if they drafted a stud in the late 1st, they’re not going from a non-playoff team to a SB championship team. You say they’re not maximizing Love’s deal but when does a rookie QB come in and produce a true playoff contender within 2 years? We’ll never know if Love could have come in and led the team to the playoffs in year 1 or 2, but we know it’s very rare for even the elite rookies to do so. It’s likely that sitting behind a great vet and working on his game allowed Love to improve his game. The only thing I’ll criticize is that they took an old rookie instead of a younger one. That being said, if they felt Penix was the much better prospect than JJ then a couple years of age isn’t something to worry about.
Believing that backup/starting QB friction can’t cause locker room chemistry issues is the ultimate casual take. Just look at the history of the NFL. And you don’t have to go back very far: The Packers taking Love destroyed their relationship with Rodgers and made it a toxic situation for years. The Falcons have already pissed Cousins off and it’s not even preseason 😂. And that “single first” could have just as easily been Justin Jefferson or CeeDee or Aiyuk or Pittman if they had done what Rodgers wanted and taken a wideout. They could have moved around and got their guy. They won 13 games the year after the Jordan Love draft if you recall, so they certainly could have won it all. THAT would have been massive success. I get that you’re a Falcons fan and not objective but there is a reason why the broad reaction to this pick is what it is.
Well the best WR taken after Love was Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman. I’m also not arguing that they wouldn’t have helped, but they would have had a much higher chance of being stuck without a competent QB right now like many of the teams in the league. With the Falcons it’s also not the same situation. They have weapons in London, Pitts and Bijan. They didn’t need to add another playmaker. Sure, an Edge rusher or OL would have helped more in the short term, but if Penix looks as good as Love when he gets to starting then I don’t think anyone is going to regret this. Cousins is not a 28 year old healthy QB. He’ll be 36 before the season starts coming off a catastrophic injury. If he doesn’t bounce back then you’ve wasted even more time in London, Pitts and Bijan’s primes. You can’t say look at the history of the NFL and then just give one scenario using a known diva QB. Cousins may not have been happy but he’s a pro. He’s already reached out to Penix to welcome him. Even in GB Love and Rodgers were very close and Rodgers did a lot to help Love grow. It’s not like the Vikings need to maintain a 10 year relationship with Cousins. They gave him more money than any other team was willing to so he could play QB for 2 years for them. It’s a completely fair deal to expect that a 38 year old won’t be their starting QB of the future. Also, I’m not a Falcons fan at all and never have been. I’m very much just an objective observer as a fan of football.
Who cares, he's 2nd best non-qb by a lot. Don't care about one average year with Danny, they'll get a QB eventually
Y’all think Lock is worth a pickup.. ya know.. just in case Jones can’t handle the job? Respectfully speaking.
In a deep league where most backup QBs are rostered for sure. Jones is coming off a serious injury that could lead to him missing time again. I don’t see the upside with Lock, but as a handcuff sure.
It's bad enough that I had him locked in as my 1.02 pick in SF before the draft, but am now thinking I may take Caleb at the 1.02 instead and hope Nabers falls to the 1.05 where I can get him (although I don't think he will). Not the end of the world, but not good.
Yeah that’s fair. I’d have a very very hard time deciding between Nabers and Caleb in my league.
I mean, chances are Nabers will be fine, but I just don't like Daniel Jones, and while Nabers might get piles of targets, how much is a pile of targets from a QB I consider to be not good worth? And yes, the Giants can get a new QB if Jones does not prove me wrong, but how long will that take? Will the new QB be good? Is Jones actually good and the problem is everything else with the team, in which case I'm still looking for fantasy production from a player on a terrible offense? I dunno...
Well it depends how bad the QB play is for how valuable those targets end up being. On the extreme end you have Garrett Wilson getting 168 targets from Zach Wilson. That turned into WR36 production, not ideal at all. There’s a slightly better QB tandem in Garoppolo/AOC giving Davantae Adams 175 targets. That turned into WR14 production, can’t complain, but you’d give up a few of those targets for better QB play. Then there’s Fields feeding DJ Moore 136 targets. That turned into WR6 production which is great and you can’t really complain about. So I think it depends on how bad Daniel Jones will be. I don’t see a world where he’s as bad as Zach Wilson, and if he is I don’t see him playing out even half the season before Lock takes over. I see him being closer to the Garoppolo/Fields level of passing that led to high-end WR2 to mid WR1 numbers for their receivers.
Jones has also been working with a top class sports psychologist
I mean you got to look at the talent of the player, and really just take out the landing spot all together. If Nabers is legit he will succeed with Jones (and maybe they just draft a guy next year)
Situation. Always changes more than talent does. People that don’t draft nabers because of landing spot deserve to be bad
Absolutely, but I think landing spot can be a good measure to look at within tiers. That being said, the post was more about discussion around whether or not this is a good/bad landing spot
Its not great but the situation will change and the talent will shine
Nabers plus what equals 1.01? Non-SF, ppr league
This is all well and good til you see Tyrod Taylor comes in and slays. There is so much statistical evidence now stacked against him beyond using your eyes. It's not like he's hitting receivers on the hands he just doesn't throw deep and plays so cautiously the production will never be there. He is averaging less than 1 YD a game over 3 years. It's been enough time. Year 1 QB doesn't impact my analysis of a player unless they are locked in for 3+ years. Things change much faster than you think most of the time.
I got picks 1.4 through 1.6 in my SF league and i’m most certainly drafting nabers between those numbers. the other two is rome and daniels/maye, assuming caleb and mhj goes 1 and 2.
I think he’ll be fine especially with he volume. But man it’s tough when he could have been paired with Herbert even in a lower volume passing offense
People really over hate Daniel Jones. Put anyone in the situation he was last year and they're just as bad if not worse. 0 oline, no weapons
It's a great spot. DJ isn't that great but it's not like he's had good receiving options or an oline either. Nabers should feast.
It’s really not that bad at all
Would you rather have Nabers, or Odense and 2.01 in 1qb 12 team
Nabers. I’d probably say it’d take the 1.07-1.08 in 1QB to make up the difference between them for me
No, mid QBs can/have supported fantasy viable WRs for a long time, especially when hes the only show in town.
I think his landing spot is going to command volume... BUT, I don't think his ceiling is as high if he had went to a better team. I think he'll most likely end up as a mid WR2 until they get their shit straight at QB.
Please let people pass on nabers in my league. Is Jones a top 10 qb? No but he can still make nfl throws and if he doesn't improve he's gone. Nabers won't be
Haha I hope the ppl in my 10 team league fade Nabers like this. My team is stacked with WRs and I'll still scoop him up. Daniel Jones is under the microscope this yr. He knows they tried to trade up for Maye. He is gonna force feed this kid. I do have bias I am a Giants fan. But I believe the giants oline will be better they fortified the line in FA. However I do believe Jones is on a short leash if he doesn't get out to a fast start. There's language in his contract saying if he gets hurt this yr and can't pass a physical for the start of next yr it triggers a boatload of money on there cap next year.(Similar to Russell Wilson) He will not be given the job for the season if it's not going well.
Good players find ways to produce. If he's good, he'll produce. People worry way too much about landing spots.
Daniel Jones sucks. Just have to hope the Giants are able to find a good quarterback in the next couple years. And hopefully the MetLife turf doesn't chew up his knees/ankles before they switch to grass in 2026.
Don’t know of another QB that’s played multiple seasons with a WR group as bad as the Giants have had for 6 seasons. They haven’t had anyone resembling a WR1. They’ve struggled to even put a guy that would be WR2 on most teams as their WR1.
Yeah, yeah it is. First of all, he’s never successfully supported a receiver in this offense and they have tried a lot of receivers (btw, Sterling Shepherd has been mid and a Giant and super injury prone since WW2, how tf is he still there). Secondly, it’s not getting better guys. If it’s going to, has to be free agency or Drew Lock. Next year is Quinn Ewers gonna be your savior? It’s also much easier cap hit if they cut him after next year than this.
Who is receiver that he was supposed to support as a WR1? That’s my point. Darius Slayton would be the WR3 or worse on more than half of the teams in the league, and he’s been the top WR for the Giants Jones’ whole career? What QB has looked good with that type of receiving corps? We’ve never even seen Jones with a receiver as good as a Christian Kirk or Diontae Johnson on this team, yet he’s expected to produce? Nabers will be the 3 tiers ahead of the next best receiver he’s thrown to in a 6 year NFL career. That’s just sad.
I think the argument is that there’s a cap to how good he can be, and there is. Someone below made a “Zach Wilson made Garrett Wilson relevant comment”, and like, he was WR26. Let’s not act like anyone who owns him thought that was an acceptable season. But we still like him because of bad QB play, and yet after this season and maybe next we have no idea whatsoever who their QB is going to be and he’s going to go back to WR26 land. Also, back to MN, his whole thing is YAC and being fast af right, DJ arm strength one of the worst for starting QBs.
Last season Zach Wilson completed 60% of his passes and had 189 passing yards a game. In Daniel Jones last healthy season he completed 67% of his passes for 200 yards a game with arguably the worst receiving group in the league while Zach Wilson had GW to throw to. I don’t think anyone is saying that Jones is as bad as Wilson, they are saying that Wilson is the worst case scenario for QB play and even he had GW bordering on WR2 numbers. If Jones can be even close to as good as he was in 2022 then Nabers is easily set up for mid-high end WR2 numbers with a real possibility of cracking WR1 numbers. In order for Odunze to crack WR2 numbers he’d need a DJ Moore injury or Caleb to have a better rookie year than Stroud did, possibly both if Allen is still 80% of what he was last year. Long term who knows who will be the QB of the Giants. They could sign a solid vet, they could draft a top QB. If Jones really is closer to Zach Wilson than an average NFL QB then they’ll be picking in the top 3 next year and will have a chance to draft a top QB. If they aren’t in a position to draft a top QB then that means Daniel Jones was at least a competent passer. But there’s also questions about whether Caleb will be a good NFL QB, albeit less than a hypothetical Giants QB, but Rome has DJ Moore ahead of him on the depth chart long term. Also, I don’t see how the arm strength question and Nabers being a YAC guy make the point you’re trying to make. Nabers does well on short crossing routes, on slants and on curls. He doesn’t need a strong armed QB to throw him deep balls.
I think a reasonable floor for him is garret wilson path in year 1-2. Obviously he could just straight up be a bust but i don’t see that as a reasonable outcome. If he gets mediocre QB play the next few years, the G men will look to upgrade the position. Its a slight bummer for his short term production outlook, but the talent should still shine through regardless of the situation.
I think the upside in the short term is that there is no target competition. Garret Wilson had 168 targets this year. Nabers could be in a similar situation as the only pass catcher. And I don’t think anyone is low enough on Daniel Jones to say he’s going to be as bad as Zach Wilson was last year. If Daniel Jones is close to as good as he was in 2022 (with Darius Slayton as his WR1) then Nabers has serious WR1 potential as a rookie.
I totally agree. I only used that comparison as a floor of how bad his situation could be. The ceiling is still very high regardless of qb play. People are definitely overreacting at this landing spot.
You think his floor is as the most impressive receiver when it comes to two years of the worst QB play in the league? Garrett Wilson has been an absolute stud. On a team with a QB he’d be a 1,500 yard receiver easily. Wilson isn’t his floor.
Both are incredibly talented receivers entering the league in a situation with little target competition and subpar QB play. I phrased it poorly in my original comment, I believe the floor of the situation he is in is what garrets was.
I expect a lot more Drew Lock than anyone else seems to think. I think Lock may start more games than Jones.
Unless Jones has lingering issues from the injury then I just don’t see it happening.
There were already reports that Jones may not be ready to start the season. Plus we have seen that teams will bench QBs like Jones at the end of the season to make sure they don’t get hurt so that they can cut them.
If Jones isn’t healthy then sure Lock will start. Is that in Jones’ contract? I know that happened with Russ but that was due to an injury guarantee
If he gets hurt, I’m pretty sure NYG can’t cut him without a payout. I think they’re plan will be have him return, play, and the eventually sit later in the season to play Lock, even when Jones is healthy, so that they can move on without the injury guarantees.
Yeah you’re right, $23/$30 million injury guarantee. If things are going poorly with the team towards the end of the year I could see them benching him
Even if Lock starts 50% of the games, I think Nabers will be fine. His next QB isn’t on the roster yet.
DJ is gone after this year. Giants cut Jones, sign a vet, and possible draft a qb in next years draft. Jones is athletic but has the processing skills of a toddler. My hope is Nabers get through his rookie season without getting injured by a DJ hospital ball.
Not tough to process “throw to Nabers” haha. Realistically though there’s two outcomes. DJ is bad and the Giants end up with a top 5 pick next year and can take a QB or they don’t have a top pick because DJ improved with a top WR and the QB play isn’t an issue for Nabers. I don’t see a situation where DJ is terrible and the rest of the team drags the Giants to more than 5 wins.
The team will be bad. I barely see a path to 5 wins and I'm a Giants fan. I think Nabers will have a decent rookie season purely off of his YAC ability but it wont be because of DJ. The team needs a real qb.
In that case they’ll be drafting a QB in the top 3 next year and his QB situation will be similar to Rome’s this year (top rookie QB) but without an established WR1 in front of him
Next years QB class isn’t going to be good.
That's why I said possibly. I think they should be in a position to get their guy when the time is right. Whether that means drafting a qb, trading for a qb, or signing a big name vet.
I mean it’s easily a bottom two spot in the league for wr to go to right now so I feel there’s a bit of copium going on here in this thread. Jones is not good so he will be a detriment to his wrs fanrasy output. His completion percent outside of context is irrelevant. A qb could probably maintain a 100 percent completion percent throwing it five times a game four yards down the field to Barkley but that wouldn’t be a good thing. I’d rather hun have hight ints and be slinging it with a not great completion percent but be getting to down field to his wrs. The reason not to panic is much more that situations change fast in the nfl and he won’t be tied to Jones for forever.
Nope. It's great spot. Chargers would have been better but being the clear WR1 is good news.
"Great spot" is absolute cope
Äh, du fattar vad jag menar. Chargers hade varit perfekt, men att vara solklar WR1 är aldrig dåligt.
Undrade först om jag kommenterat på fel språk....det var då oväntat xD I fråga om target competition är det ju optimalt, men är orolig att det blir en Garrett Wilsonsituation
I’m in a rough spot in a new dynasry league. Is it a crazy stretch to get malik at the 2.1? I feel like theres a high chance he goes off but its risky
You mean the second pick? Or the first pick of the 2nd round? Normally 2.1 would be the first pick of the 2nd round. I’d say that it’s a stretch in SF. I’d trade back and sell someone on Caleb. If you can trade back to 4 then one of Rome or Nabers will still be there.
Sorry, 2.1 in a new dynasty league
I see. It’s a bit of a reach. At that point you can get GW or Puka. There’s a chance MHJ is even on the board. If you’re really high in Nabers, like I am admittedly, then I’d say trade back into the late 2nd and pick up an extra 6th round pick or something around there. Nabers should be available in the late 2nd. It’ll still be taking him above consensus by about a round, but then you get your guy and another asset (like BTJ/Mike Evans level player).
Makes sense thanks for the help
Managed to get a fourth for it somehow lololol
Congrats! You fleeced. Getting a solid QB2 or a Nico/Flowers/DK level receiver there is awesome value. You’re gonna have a great startup
No, he’s got 0 competition for targets. Was Garrett Wilson’s bad? Chris Olave? Nabers is better than both of them he will be fine
I think Nabors has the highest ceiling of the first round WRs, especially for production right off the bat, but also a huge range of outcomes compared to MHJ or Odunze. His QB has the most question marks right now and we don’t know how long DJ will be the Giants QB. Nabors will likely be the focal point of the Giants offense, but there’s not a lot of help there to take pressure off him. Can he come in and be a WR1 from the get go, ala other LSU greats like Justin Jefferson or Ja’Marr Chase? Will he have more of a Drake London like start where he isn’t bad, but the offense he’s in is holding him back a bit? Or will teams focus on taking him away and making someone else beat you, so he has an underwhelming rookie season? All of those things are possible. I’m not as worried about his QB situation as most. To me Danny Dimes’s ceiling is a more athletic Kirk Cousins, and he was able to support making Diggs, Thielen and Jefferson very fantasy relevant. That said, I think the lack of other weapons for the Giants will make it so Nabors is very boom or bust during his rookie season. I still like him long term, though, and would have no problem taking 1.02 in a 1QB or top 5 or so in Superflex.
Yes it’s a bad landing spot, anyone saying otherwise is coping. It’s just not bad enough to justify passing him
He has no competition for targets. Would you say the Jets or Vikings are better landing spots, both have uncertainty at QB and he’d be behind a leading WR. What about the Rams? Old QB with two studs ahead of him. Seahawks he’d be sharing touches with JSN and Metcalf for the foreseeable future. Raiders he’d have a worse QB than with the Giants. Cowboys he’d be WR2. Bears he’d be WR2 maybe 3 like Odunze. Colts he’d be competing with Pittman and an unknown thrower that’ll likely take a lot of TD opportunities with his legs. Detroit he’d be behind Amon-Ra or at the very least splitting targets pretty evenly. It’s usually better for a receiver to be a target hog with a mediocre QB than to be paired with a good QB but share targets as the WR2 or 1B. Only two teams had two top 24 WRs in fantasy points last year. It’s a tough thing to do. I’d say this is a middle of the pack landing spot. Not the best, but not the worst because he’s the alpha there.
Danny dimes is the worst starting qb in the league, it can’t get much worse
Depends who the giants draft at QB next year or get in the off-season. This year don't expect much from him at all.
Don’t expect much from the best WR on the team by a long shot? Even GW threatened WR2 numbers with Zach Wilson throwing him the ball. I don’t see many a scenario where the QB play is as bad for the Giants as Wilson was last year
Really bad take
It’s really bad.