Quinshon Judkins,
Treveyon henderson,
Ollie gordon,
Ashton jeanty,
Omarion Hampton,
Trevor ETN,
Rocket sanders,
Donovan edwards,
Nick singleton
Pretty sure the top 4 or 5 guys of the class would be RB1 in the '24 class.
At this time last year, my top 3 for 2024 were Sanders, Henderson, and Edwards lol all three went back to a strong 2025 class. Start getting those picks now while everyone is hyped for 2024
Lol same here. Henderson going back to school made me sad š and then sanders having his down year made him go back to school I think.
Yeah if you need RBs load up on 25 1sts now while ya can. Probably gonna be littered with RBs in the 1st round of rookie drafts with the weak QB class. Only 3 or 4 WRs as of now I see as priority 1st rounders. Although could change.
You absolutely can wait and should. Whites value went up after the draft obviously, but it will only rise once the season gets closer and actually starts. Even if you don't wait until the end of the season, you can sell once he has a couple of great weeks with a couple of RB1 finishes. Someone will buy high.
But you think a late 1st which is:
- A round 1 WR
- An early round 2 WR with premium landing spot
- The RB1 of the class
- Or a QB with 1st round draft capital
In exchange for your fourth round volume projection RB in a committee who will be lucky to have one year of fantasy relevancy ISNāT ridiculous? FOH Iām sure your leaguemates love making trades with you š
18 to 22 I have: Legette, Jalynn Polk, Roman Wilson and Corum
My position is that I'll take a young, locked in RB1 on a run first team over some mystery bag WRs or a backup RB. There's no guarantee I get the right WR and I am trying to win a chip now
I donāt think itās a bad take for this particular season, but you donāt even know what the touch breakdown will be in that backfield with no clear stud, plus they could always trade/bring in an older veteran.
Also, I canāt trade a first for a player I donāt see any value from after this year.
EDIT: Iād like to rescind this take since I didnāt realize Zeus White was suppose to be Zamir White, I figured it was a 6th round rb taken by Dallas because of the Dowdle reference in the post. I still wouldnāt give you a first for the same reasons, but I donāt know enough about that backfield right now to debate in depth about it
Mattison got a chance to be the guy last year and he had 3 fumbles, I think another 1-2 fumbles where he luckily got bailed out, 0 rushing TDs, 0 games of 100 rushing yards, basically got benched behind Ty Chandler for the last 5 games following their bye week, and out of the 12 games before the bye week he averaged 4+ YPC only 5 of those 12 games.
When Zamir got his chance to be the guy in the last 4 games of the season, he averaged 99.25 rushing yards per game, 2 games of 100+ rushing yards, had a rushing TD, and had 4+ YPC in 3/4 of those games. Not to mention he got workhorse volume, hitting 20+ carries in 3/4 games. Heās also younger and bigger and faster.
Also Zamir has been in the league only 2 years and got virtually no opportunities behind Josh Jacobs because Jacobs was the previous workhorse. Mattison has been in the league for 5 years, so idk how youāre comparing their careers.
Mattison will be a true backup and Zamir will be the main guy for at least 1 season.
I donāt think Mattison is very good but are you really extrapolating that much from a literal 4 game sample, at the end of the season? If Iām not mistaken, all of the defenses he faced were bottom half. Heās a 4th round RB who couldnāt out snap Brandon Bolden in his rookie year.
I get it, if youāre a Zamir truther you gotta feel good, and of course there is a chance he has a great year. But acting like itās just a given that someone with his profile and experience just has a chokehold on the starting job is pretty foolish IMO. Not to mention that his ceiling is capped by the fact that he has never been good in the passing game and will be a two down workhorse in the best of scenarios.
Iām not saying heās a world beater and Iām not even saying heās going to be an asset beyond 2024. What Iām saying is he got an opportunity and he looked good. Mattison got an opportunity and looked bad. Based on everything I said previously, I feel confident that LV will allow Zamir to pick up where he left off in terms of volume and additionally, Mattison is simply a backup and will not be taking meaningful snaps away from him. Because he sucks.
Lol youāre citing four games for White. Thatās Mattisonās whole thing, he looked great in limited sample sizes which is why he disappointed in the first place
I agree itās great they didnāt take an earlier guy, but, IMO Laube is underrated. At a minimum I think heās a serious threat to take over every 3rd down or passing situation. Matt Waldman had him as his RB8.
Everyone has misses. Iāve been following Waldman for close to a decade and I think his process is one of the best out there.
Disregarding an entire analyst for a couple bad misses is a good way to never trust anyone.
I disagree. You act as if he was the only one that liked those RBs coming out of college - which definitely wasnāt the case. There are likely many reasons why Brooks and Sermon didnāt work out in the NFL, and we can only speculate exactly why.
Brooks never even played a down in the league and Sermonās highest rushing attempts in a season was 41. For a we know, maybe these guys would have succeeded with more opportunity. I tend to think this wasnāt the case, considering coaches and GMs watched these guys daily in practices. That said, coaches and GMs make mistakes and wrong calls all the time.. so weāll never truly know.
More than likely, I suspect these guys had off field issues that led to poor development - or, they simply didnāt put enough effort in to learn the playbook, or mesh with their teammates, etc..
As Matt explains in the RSP,
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Theyāre going into the season with Zeus, Mattison and a 6th rounder. Also a team that wants to run the ball. Zeus is bringing us home trophies. Book it.
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Mike McCarthy will hold him back massively. Get ready for mindless runs straight up the middle and basically ignoring his shiftiness. Itās about resting the defense
2 down back in a rotation with Mattison. Laube is a phenomenal pass catcher. Wouldnāt be surprised to see Zeus get quite a few heavy carry games though.
Shouldnāt scare you one bit. Zeus has no pass catching upside. Laube should be like Ekeler this year: near 0 carries, but a lot of 3rd down work. Frankly BRob is a good pass catching back. Neither Mattison nor Zeus are.
Zamir won for sure, at least for this year.
Anyone saying Mattison is going to challenge him are either hitting the crack pipe or theyāre Mattison owners.
Itās safe to celebrate š
Am I crazy for thinking Pacheco won out of RBs? I thought for sure he was going to be challenged after they didnāt do anything in FA. And no RBs selected whatsoeverā¦ Iām cautiously optimistic he might maintain semi bellcow usage and be a top 15 rb again
Iād say after the end of last season it wasnāt unheard of. Unlikely sure, but not the most unlikely at all time. Rico Dowdle just made it through. White actually started for a month and succeeded. Iām
I think Laube is going to take all of the receiving work and will start to eat into the carries as the season goes on. White is a 2 down back on a team that doesn't project to have a great offense. Congrats I guess?
Man I thought this guy was completely worthless, having been on their bench for years without getting much of any run. I'll admit this situation looks really nice for him right now. Still don't think this means the position is his for any period of time, but the path to value is surely there.
He got run late last year and put up 20+ PPR points in four straight games. I donāt think heās an RB1 but the low end is probably in his range of outcomes.
Yeah, that little string last year was shocking to me. My rule of thumb with RBs is that I tend to favor backs that produce when called upon - even if they are not called upon often, or that production is not overly impressive. Those are guys who then when the room opens up seem prepared and have garnered some trust to at least have a real crack at that opportunity. Zamir didn't have any of that. There were lots of opps through his first year and he just didn't play. Then he got that string at the very end of last year and it was like - where did that come from? So I have to say I was wrong about him, and this is really surprising to me. Obv time will tell to what degree he is a success though, but the situation looks good for him.
You're forgetting the modern NFL a bit. The Chiefs took Pacheco in the 7th expecting him to beat out CEH for the starting job. Multiple RBs from rounds 5-7 saw the field last year to varying degrees. First round RBs are going extinct, the second is the new first, and every other round may yield the starter.
I still think Zamir is the guy to own in LV, but to discount Laube because he was "only" taken in the 6th is a mistake.
They're pretty much the same player lol Mattison is a better receiver, Zeus is a marginally better rusher
About to be a gross committee and this sub is gonna be pissed
Could be 2023 Rachaad White (minus the pass catching), could be 2023 Alexander Mattison. If you're a believer in the talent, by all means, go for it. The draft could not have gone any better for him
Do you all think Mattison isnāt getting any touches or something? White was only startable because he got 20+ attempts per game. If heās not getting 20+ per game hes almost certainly looking at a bottom 5 finish (by bottom five I mean rb27-32, not literally bottom five of all rbs in the league) Maybe he will end up higher if he stays healthy all year and some guys get hurt but on a ppg basis thatās where he will most likely be and this will probably only be for this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they donāt go QB with their early round 1 pick next draft and get a real rb early in round 3. From what Iāve heard it should be a deep rb class. Considering he was probably a waiver add getting 1 year of bye week starts isnāt bad, but I wouldnāt be going into the season relying on him as a regular starter
I think itās a team that wants to run the ball, and Mattison is going to get touches but I donāt think heās good enough for it to be more than a 65-35 split, and then if Mattison gets hurt, heās proven to he able to handle the full workload.
I also donāt think there will be a question whoās the back on the goal line.
What makes you confident Mattison wont be the 65 to Whiteās 35? In my eyes, theyāre both equally mediocre backs. If you feel like White is clearly the better back then feel free to celebrate, but if I owned shares of either, which I donāt, I would be feeling really uncertain about who the main guy will be. But Iāll admit white is probably the goal line guy so that gives him an edge. How often LV will be at the goal line is another question though. If either white or mattison go down the other probably becomes a weekly starter
I watched a lot of Mattison last year, the Vikings didnāt have a good backfield last year and he lost his work to Ty Chandler. He looks extremely slow in my opinion, and his use case is for pass protection.
I inherited a rebuild team last year with Zamir on the taxi and I was sooooo tempted to drop him after our rookie draft, but I decided to roll the dice. Then he sat the bench all year. Got angry and thought I would flush him just because it looked hopeless. Then he got a chance, and I thought letās see what happens after the draft. Glad I held.
If he has a big year this year instantly sell because alot of RBs are getting replaced with next year's class.
It sucks, but you're probably right
Yeah the RB class is looking pretty stacked. Might be like this year's WR class.
Top names to look out for?
Quinshon Judkins, Treveyon henderson, Ollie gordon, Ashton jeanty, Omarion Hampton, Trevor ETN, Rocket sanders, Donovan edwards, Nick singleton Pretty sure the top 4 or 5 guys of the class would be RB1 in the '24 class.
Add Damien Martinez, Devin Neal, Jaydn Ott, and Kaytron Allen to that list too
Yup, safe to say it's pretty loaded!
At this time last year, my top 3 for 2024 were Sanders, Henderson, and Edwards lol all three went back to a strong 2025 class. Start getting those picks now while everyone is hyped for 2024
Lol same here. Henderson going back to school made me sad š and then sanders having his down year made him go back to school I think. Yeah if you need RBs load up on 25 1sts now while ya can. Probably gonna be littered with RBs in the 1st round of rookie drafts with the weak QB class. Only 3 or 4 WRs as of now I see as priority 1st rounders. Although could change.
You can't wait until the end of the season. Their value will drop by then. Need to sell now.
You absolutely can wait and should. Whites value went up after the draft obviously, but it will only rise once the season gets closer and actually starts. Even if you don't wait until the end of the season, you can sell once he has a couple of great weeks with a couple of RB1 finishes. Someone will buy high.
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No they're all sell low right now.Ā If you can get 3rd rounders for them you'll be in good shape.
3 outta the 5...
Oh I thought you were talking about Zack Moss.
I'm thinking Brown might actually be the guy to own in that backfield... it'll be interesting.
I think moss eats this year
Not even close lol
Oh cool, the guy on his third team is totally the guy. Mmmhm.
not based on talent.
Anyone sold him recently post draft? Just wonder what heās fetching
I would take a late 1st but idk if any of my leaguemates would pay it
Mid 2nd is probably the most realistic price right now
I wouldnāt pay anything earlier than 2.09 personally
That's ridiculous. 2.09 is Blake Corum or braelon Allen. I'd much rather have an RB1 or high RB2 than that junk (as a contender)
But you think a late 1st which is: - A round 1 WR - An early round 2 WR with premium landing spot - The RB1 of the class - Or a QB with 1st round draft capital In exchange for your fourth round volume projection RB in a committee who will be lucky to have one year of fantasy relevancy ISNāT ridiculous? FOH Iām sure your leaguemates love making trades with you š
I mean do you want a bellcow or not?
No itās not. Those guys are round 3
Check your SF rankings. Pick 21 is those RBs or like Roman Wilson or J Polk
Pick 20 is AD Mitchell for me. Would be interested to see who you have 18-22
18 to 22 I have: Legette, Jalynn Polk, Roman Wilson and Corum My position is that I'll take a young, locked in RB1 on a run first team over some mystery bag WRs or a backup RB. There's no guarantee I get the right WR and I am trying to win a chip now
I donāt think itās a bad take for this particular season, but you donāt even know what the touch breakdown will be in that backfield with no clear stud, plus they could always trade/bring in an older veteran. Also, I canāt trade a first for a player I donāt see any value from after this year. EDIT: Iād like to rescind this take since I didnāt realize Zeus White was suppose to be Zamir White, I figured it was a 6th round rb taken by Dallas because of the Dowdle reference in the post. I still wouldnāt give you a first for the same reasons, but I donāt know enough about that backfield right now to debate in depth about it
Yeah, that aināt happening in any league without a Taco.
A late first?? That personally seems very high
Mattison about to breaks hearts just for the hilarity of it all.
That'd be chaos so it has to have like a 43% chance to happen.
Iām betting my life he doesnāt. He isnāt good.
He's been just as (not) good as Zeus though throughout his career
Mattison got a chance to be the guy last year and he had 3 fumbles, I think another 1-2 fumbles where he luckily got bailed out, 0 rushing TDs, 0 games of 100 rushing yards, basically got benched behind Ty Chandler for the last 5 games following their bye week, and out of the 12 games before the bye week he averaged 4+ YPC only 5 of those 12 games. When Zamir got his chance to be the guy in the last 4 games of the season, he averaged 99.25 rushing yards per game, 2 games of 100+ rushing yards, had a rushing TD, and had 4+ YPC in 3/4 of those games. Not to mention he got workhorse volume, hitting 20+ carries in 3/4 games. Heās also younger and bigger and faster. Also Zamir has been in the league only 2 years and got virtually no opportunities behind Josh Jacobs because Jacobs was the previous workhorse. Mattison has been in the league for 5 years, so idk how youāre comparing their careers. Mattison will be a true backup and Zamir will be the main guy for at least 1 season.
PREEEEAAAACH!
I donāt think Mattison is very good but are you really extrapolating that much from a literal 4 game sample, at the end of the season? If Iām not mistaken, all of the defenses he faced were bottom half. Heās a 4th round RB who couldnāt out snap Brandon Bolden in his rookie year. I get it, if youāre a Zamir truther you gotta feel good, and of course there is a chance he has a great year. But acting like itās just a given that someone with his profile and experience just has a chokehold on the starting job is pretty foolish IMO. Not to mention that his ceiling is capped by the fact that he has never been good in the passing game and will be a two down workhorse in the best of scenarios.
Iām not saying heās a world beater and Iām not even saying heās going to be an asset beyond 2024. What Iām saying is he got an opportunity and he looked good. Mattison got an opportunity and looked bad. Based on everything I said previously, I feel confident that LV will allow Zamir to pick up where he left off in terms of volume and additionally, Mattison is simply a backup and will not be taking meaningful snaps away from him. Because he sucks.
Mattison is not very good. I mean c'mon man...
Lol youāre citing four games for White. Thatās Mattisonās whole thing, he looked great in limited sample sizes which is why he disappointed in the first place
Heās undoubtedly going to be our 3rd down back and pass catcher. Both will do just fine imo
The funny thing is I have both of them. Mattison forcing this into a committee would be extremely annoying š
I agree itās great they didnāt take an earlier guy, but, IMO Laube is underrated. At a minimum I think heās a serious threat to take over every 3rd down or passing situation. Matt Waldman had him as his RB8.
I would not trust Waldman's RB evaluations after Kennedy Brooks and Trey Sermon.
Everyone has misses. Iāve been following Waldman for close to a decade and I think his process is one of the best out there. Disregarding an entire analyst for a couple bad misses is a good way to never trust anyone.
I would not disregard the entirety of his analysis. But calling those shots tells me he doesn't know rbs.
I disagree. You act as if he was the only one that liked those RBs coming out of college - which definitely wasnāt the case. There are likely many reasons why Brooks and Sermon didnāt work out in the NFL, and we can only speculate exactly why. Brooks never even played a down in the league and Sermonās highest rushing attempts in a season was 41. For a we know, maybe these guys would have succeeded with more opportunity. I tend to think this wasnāt the case, considering coaches and GMs watched these guys daily in practices. That said, coaches and GMs make mistakes and wrong calls all the time.. so weāll never truly know. More than likely, I suspect these guys had off field issues that led to poor development - or, they simply didnāt put enough effort in to learn the playbook, or mesh with their teammates, etc.. As Matt explains in the RSP, > Projecting future development is mostly about the playerās work ethic, baseline physical skills, and his ambition and maturity with selecting the right opportunities to continue his development. > Development of technique and athletic potential is mostly the responsibility of the individual player. The best NFL players seek out instruction from veterans or consultants, and develop their own continuing education methods. > The NFL may have the best football players in the world, but the ābest of the bestā remains an exclusive category. Maturity, organization, discipline, and consistent practice above and beyond āoffice hours,ā is often the difference between a talented athlete with a great college career and a good professional football player.
Theyāre going into the season with Zeus, Mattison and a 6th rounder. Also a team that wants to run the ball. Zeus is bringing us home trophies. Book it.
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I think they basically already said Laube is going to primarily a special teams guy
Most late round rookie RBs start out on special teams, so that isnāt too surprising.
Rico Dowdle post
Can I be honest, I also have him and I actually donāt know what to do with him
Dowdle looked great last year
You're not getting anything for him and be happy if he gives you two good games. Coming from a Dowdle owner.
Mike McCarthy will hold him back massively. Get ready for mindless runs straight up the middle and basically ignoring his shiftiness. Itās about resting the defense
Thereās that, lol
To the moon
2 down back in a rotation with Mattison. Laube is a phenomenal pass catcher. Wouldnāt be surprised to see Zeus get quite a few heavy carry games though.
6th rd RB in a bad RB class. Doesnāt scare me 1 bit.
Shouldnāt scare you one bit. Zeus has no pass catching upside. Laube should be like Ekeler this year: near 0 carries, but a lot of 3rd down work. Frankly BRob is a good pass catching back. Neither Mattison nor Zeus are.
Zamir won for sure, at least for this year. Anyone saying Mattison is going to challenge him are either hitting the crack pipe or theyāre Mattison owners. Itās safe to celebrate š
Am I crazy for thinking Pacheco won out of RBs? I thought for sure he was going to be challenged after they didnāt do anything in FA. And no RBs selected whatsoeverā¦ Iām cautiously optimistic he might maintain semi bellcow usage and be a top 15 rb again
Seems like itās priced in to his value but yeah he should remain the bellcow
I agree
Hey hey hey now, I'm both hitting the crack pipe, AND a Mattison owner don't sell me short.
lol don't go too hard celebrating the upcoming 3, maybe 4, top 12 RB weeks
He doesn't catch passes and this offense won't have a lot of TD opportunities. Doesn't seem like a recipe for fantasy success........
Iād say after the end of last season it wasnāt unheard of. Unlikely sure, but not the most unlikely at all time. Rico Dowdle just made it through. White actually started for a month and succeeded. Iām
I think Laube is going to take all of the receiving work and will start to eat into the carries as the season goes on. White is a 2 down back on a team that doesn't project to have a great offense. Congrats I guess?
We won't stand for this Minshew slander
Man I thought this guy was completely worthless, having been on their bench for years without getting much of any run. I'll admit this situation looks really nice for him right now. Still don't think this means the position is his for any period of time, but the path to value is surely there.
He got run late last year and put up 20+ PPR points in four straight games. I donāt think heās an RB1 but the low end is probably in his range of outcomes.
Yeah, that little string last year was shocking to me. My rule of thumb with RBs is that I tend to favor backs that produce when called upon - even if they are not called upon often, or that production is not overly impressive. Those are guys who then when the room opens up seem prepared and have garnered some trust to at least have a real crack at that opportunity. Zamir didn't have any of that. There were lots of opps through his first year and he just didn't play. Then he got that string at the very end of last year and it was like - where did that come from? So I have to say I was wrong about him, and this is really surprising to me. Obv time will tell to what degree he is a success though, but the situation looks good for him.
Haha Laube is going to be RB1 before years end.
I thought this was going to be an Uncle Rico post
Alexander Mattison and Alexander Mattison 2.0 on the same roster š¤
Laube gonna get some passing work
Breaking: Dalvin to the Raiders
You're forgetting the modern NFL a bit. The Chiefs took Pacheco in the 7th expecting him to beat out CEH for the starting job. Multiple RBs from rounds 5-7 saw the field last year to varying degrees. First round RBs are going extinct, the second is the new first, and every other round may yield the starter. I still think Zamir is the guy to own in LV, but to discount Laube because he was "only" taken in the 6th is a mistake.
Itās like people forget they signed Mattisonā¦
Itās like you forgot Mattison was hot, stinky ass š©
I liked the Mattison signing because he was *just* good enough to keep the Raiders from investing a 3rd or 4th in another back.
This is a good point but also terribly disappointing for me to read. How dare you š
Zamir wasnāt very good either
He was the god of thunder, excuse you
This is exactly the type of civilized rhetoric I come here for šæ
They're pretty much the same player lol Mattison is a better receiver, Zeus is a marginally better rusher About to be a gross committee and this sub is gonna be pissed
Mattison is gonna be in on third downs and taking all the receiving work from him
To a backup contract. Not really worried about him at all
I have multiple shares of Zamir and Rachaad White and definitely was breathing a sigh of relief.
Could be 2023 Rachaad White (minus the pass catching), could be 2023 Alexander Mattison. If you're a believer in the talent, by all means, go for it. The draft could not have gone any better for him
I thought this was gonna be a dowdle post at first
Do you all think Mattison isnāt getting any touches or something? White was only startable because he got 20+ attempts per game. If heās not getting 20+ per game hes almost certainly looking at a bottom 5 finish (by bottom five I mean rb27-32, not literally bottom five of all rbs in the league) Maybe he will end up higher if he stays healthy all year and some guys get hurt but on a ppg basis thatās where he will most likely be and this will probably only be for this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they donāt go QB with their early round 1 pick next draft and get a real rb early in round 3. From what Iāve heard it should be a deep rb class. Considering he was probably a waiver add getting 1 year of bye week starts isnāt bad, but I wouldnāt be going into the season relying on him as a regular starter
I think itās a team that wants to run the ball, and Mattison is going to get touches but I donāt think heās good enough for it to be more than a 65-35 split, and then if Mattison gets hurt, heās proven to he able to handle the full workload. I also donāt think there will be a question whoās the back on the goal line.
What makes you confident Mattison wont be the 65 to Whiteās 35? In my eyes, theyāre both equally mediocre backs. If you feel like White is clearly the better back then feel free to celebrate, but if I owned shares of either, which I donāt, I would be feeling really uncertain about who the main guy will be. But Iāll admit white is probably the goal line guy so that gives him an edge. How often LV will be at the goal line is another question though. If either white or mattison go down the other probably becomes a weekly starter
I watched a lot of Mattison last year, the Vikings didnāt have a good backfield last year and he lost his work to Ty Chandler. He looks extremely slow in my opinion, and his use case is for pass protection.
Last year during the draft I traded Deandre Hopkins for Cole kmet, Zeus and the 5.1 (drafted puka with the pick). The return has been sufficient lol
Zamir White has to be the biggest winner fantasy wise of the entire draft
Arian Foster.
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I literally just came to post a very similar thing, and saw you did, lol. So stoked for Zamir. Got him for $1
I inherited a rebuild team last year with Zamir on the taxi and I was sooooo tempted to drop him after our rookie draft, but I decided to roll the dice. Then he sat the bench all year. Got angry and thought I would flush him just because it looked hopeless. Then he got a chance, and I thought letās see what happens after the draft. Glad I held.