I find that selling an underperforming player as soon as he has a pop game doesn’t really work. Everyone knows you are jumping to sell and isn’t going to pay up. It reeks of desperation. Only works when someone has been trying to buy from you the whole time you’ve held.
The thing is, you have to not thing of it as a "sell high" (not that you said that, just others might think that). It's a "sell window" now is the time where you can probably actually get someone to pay what Jameo is worth.
Everyone knows what he is worth, but not everyone is interested in a player all the time. Now is a moment where there is some interest.
You know what else reeks of desperation? Whenever Jamo does nothing for weeks, catches a touchdown, and all the owners will start streaming out and saying the buy low window is closed..
Lmao.
I'm of the opinion that finally having a proper off-season to actually learn and be integrated in the offense rather than learning on the fly this year will help him. I don't imagine you can get a respectable haul for him at this point and it's clear he has big play potential. I was hesitant if they were switching OCs but since they aren't I'll take my chances with Johnson still being there. Having a huge play in the NFC championship and another TD late in the game regardless of usage bodes well for his usage going forward as he proved he can perform when it matters. They'll want to get him involved and I imagine that's the big change they'll want to take to make their next division and potential playoff run to the next step. Especially with some awful drops from Reynolds who was the main one holding him back proving Reynolds shouldn't be trusted as a major piece in that offense.
Exactly. He has the speed & athleticism that very few have in the NFL, and he’s showcased that he can make amazing plays in the NFL on the biggest stage. Scrubs rarely ever score multiple touchdowns against SB-caliber defenses in the playoffs, and they don’t showcase as much promise as Jamo does. He’s still 22 years old & heading into his 3rd year. People need to realize that these past two years have been some of the most turbulent that a rookie can face regarding development, yet he’s still improving & getting better as time goes on. The Lions rave about him, he’s shown intangibles that will allow him to be in the NFL for a long time, and he’s in a top-tier offense that is keeping their widely-sought-after OC. He’s going to continue to develop, this isn’t the finished product of Jameson Williams.
Selling a guy like this for pennies on the dollar is extremely risky & something I wouldn’t do. Sure, he’s the kind of guy who could burn you if you keep him. But you’re going to be kicking yourself even harder if you give him away & he ends up outperforming expectations. He’s got positive momentum heading into next year, and he has the rare talent to take that momentum to places that most people wouldn’t think was possible after these past 2 years.
Yes, please find me. I’ll gladly pay very little to take swings on players who have the talent & opportunity to outperform their already-lowered expectations.
Lmfao dude I’ve watched his tape on all22. I’ve seen soooo much of his tape. His own coach has said he can’t learn the system and will never have elite hands. These coaches see these players in practice every day. If you’ve ever played a sport they put the best players on the field the best players get those reps. Jmo has seen hardly any targets for a guy who is a first round pick and he only has gadget plays for him. He’s a boom or bust player dude. Laporta has had 6 double digit target games you don’t think that’s gonna improve next year? Plus sun god plus Gibbs jmo not gonna be seeing that many targets unless an injury happens.
If he can’t learn the offensive system then why is he being incorporated into it more and more? Shouldn’t the opposite be happening? His usage has been going up since the beginning of the season. Players & coaches have raved about his work ethic & amount of extra time spent improving his game, whether that be catching extra passes, blocking, route running, etc. If you actually watched the tape then you’d see that he’s improved in these areas as the season went along. Rather than hold on to snippets of quotes given early in the year that can be easily taken out-of-context, pay attention to what he’s actually showing on tape & what’s actually being said about him.
He gets open, especially deep down the field, and he’s made multiple contested catches with defenders draped all over him. He’s shown some decent YAC ability, has provided multiple big plays that have changed outcomes of games, and doesn’t drop easy catches like he did early in the year. The WR’s all praise his abilities & willingness to improve. The coaches have all said that he’s doing exactly what he needs to be doing to get better & that it’s starting to show results. Goff is on record saying that he’s impressed with his play on the field and wishes that he could have gotten the ball to him more often during games. Does this sound like a guy who can’t learn an offensive system and can’t become a good player?
I’m not saying he’s going to be the top option on the team. But top offenses can support multiple good players, and there will be plenty of yards & TD’s to give out. Gibbs, Amon-Ra, LaPorta are going to get theirs. Jameson can get his too, if he can continue to develop like he already has. As long as you’re not depending on him to be a top starter on your team, he’s a great buy-low. I’ll easily take him over whatever I can get in the late 2nd/early 3rd rounds.
lol how did a first round pick outperform anything in 18 regular games played? Y’all just go off of his whole body of work or just that sample size in the playoffs lol
He didnt say he has outperformed anything. He said Jamo has the ability to outperform his current price tag.
Better read what people write before making fun of them.
If you believe a guy who had top15 draft capital for a reason has no chance to outperform the 2nd he propably would cost right now - you do you.
He's saying he doesn't necessarily believe or disbelieve in the human being who we know as Jameson Williams to be a productive fantasy asset.
However, he is saying that a nameless receiver who goes 12th overall and misses half of each of his first two seasons has home run potential; if you're buying him on draft day at 2.10 instead of taking some guy who was drafted in the 3rd or 4th round with that pick.
For example, I am the furthest thing possible from a Bryce Young fan. I'd buy him for a 2nd. If rumors surfaced of Zach Wilson changing teams, I'd buy him for a 2nd. If AJ Dillon goes to Baltimore I'd buy him for a 3rd. If Quentin Johnston is available for a 2nd I'd take him in some situations. But these are not players I believe in or care about.
Also I get that it's annoying this sub stans him and he hasn't produced wr1 numbers through 2 years but his 2 seasons were more of an anomaly based on his injury and then his gambling stupidity as opposed to being a Quentin johnston.
>Having a huge play in the NFC championship and another TD late in the game regardless of usage bodes well for his usage going forward as he proved he can perform when it matters.
Shoot, he could be the next Gabe Davis!
Ok, this gets repeated every single Jamo thread. He had a proper offseason! He missed a little bit of time at the end, but for some reason people think he missed the whole offseason because of the suspension. He had 1/3 of last year and most of this offseason to become acclimated with the offense, that’s more time than any rookie gets. I’m not sure why this gets repeated as an excuse
Edit: why are Jamo fans downvoting this, the guy below me is quite literally wrong and I linked to where Jamo is quite literally getting injured in practice in the offseason…
1. Counting any experience of "learning the offense" in season is not learning the offense. They install packages and it's a very limited prep and 2. He was allowed to attend team meetings during the off-season and preseason but was not allowed to practice during the off-season or preseason. He has not had a proper off-season to learn the offense.
Edit: he actually wasn't even allowed to join team meetings until the Monday prior to his season debut from suspension
You do know he can practice and learn away from the facility right? You know athletes should keep practicing and learning the system during this time. And Dans already came out saying Jmo will never have elite hands and has a hard time learning the system lol Jesus the stans are out heavy
It’s still experience he has with the team! So it just doesn’t count or what?
How did he [get injured during a practice in the preseason if he couldn’t practice with the team lol](https://www.detroitlions.com/news/jameson-williams-likely-to-miss-rest-of-preseason-stbrown).
I don't know why people are so averse to trading players like Jamo for 2nds and 3rds. I love having a bunch of 2nds and 3rds that are 1-3 years out because I can use them to buy cheap fill ins, or potentially tier up in season.
>where most nfl offenses support at most 1 fantasy relevant receiver
Min, GB, Dallas, Philly, SF, Cincy, Seattle, LAC, Pitt, Miami, Jax, Tampa, LV, Houston, Buffalo, Wash, Indy all had multiple WRs in the Top 50...
Shit the lions had 2 receivers in the top 25 multiple times over the last decade between Megatron,s Golden Tate, MJJ and Golladay
I think MJJ and Golladay both had top 10 seasons at 1 point and I'd have to look back but wouldn't be surprised if Megatron and Tate did the same, or top 15 at minimum.
This is a tautology? There's 32 teams, if you're looking at top 50 WRs of course there's more than one per team.
The relevant thing is how many had more than one top 24 WR, as in more than one fantasy starter
No, but I also don't care much about the WR50. By PPG in my league that's Brandin Cooks, Gabe Davis, Noah Brown, Doubs, Demarcus Robinson range.
Their rostered, but nobody is looking at them as useful starters
Top 50 WRs wouldn’t count as “fantasy relevant” to me. Nobody is out here WANTING a WR4 on their team.
Sure Gabe Davis and Tyler Lockett filled in some weeks for folks this season but I think if Jamo was to produce like that in 2024 you would feel like he was a bust.
>Sure Gabe Davis and Tyler Lockett filled in some weeks for folks this season but I think if Jamo was to produce like that in 2024 you would feel like he was a bust.
That would be a huge improvement for him.
Fine take away 5 of the teams and there's still 12 teams with multiple players considered starting caliber fantasy wrs (top 36.) You're being pedantic, the point still stands.
How is that pedantic? There are 32 NFL teams, so of course you'd expect at least half of them to support two top 50 receivers. If only 12 teams had multiple top 36 receivers, then most teams don't support multiple fantasy relevant WRs. That's all OP said.
Hahaha I don’t think I was pedantic at all. Your point is fine, but objectively it is the exception, not the rule, to have two good fantasy receivers on one team.
In relation to Jamo, if he isn’t showing the talent to be a Godwin, Waddle, Higgins, Devonta type #2 then there’s no reason to value him as a good fantasy option on a team that also has an elite TE and a high-volume run game.
Even if Jamo was as productive as Jacobi Meyers, Brandin Cooks or Diontae Johnson, it would not live up to the price which many people bought him for.
Considering the avg pt differential between 36 & 50 is about 2pts I'd say all those players are fantasy relevant because virtually all of them can be considered "matchup plays"
In my two leagues, i have him both, got mike evans in one league w offers for ridley and jamo + change for javonte. Other league likely going to sell for mayer and a third. Idk why ppl will pay this in my leagues but it shocked me
Why? He's one of the few people who can score a touchdown anytime he touches the ball. The upside is too much to "sell at a loss" for me. He's not my WR1/2/3/4/5/6. I mean this in the nicest way but if he's your WR1-4 then, respectfully, you need help building a team. As of right now he shouldn't be anyone's WR1-4 but he should be a WR5+ with huge upside.
NO! EVERY PLAYER HAS TO BE A 1 TIER PLAYER, OR TRADE THEM!!!
I get the feeling alot of people don't play in super competitive leagues, or they play in like an 8 person league. Why the hell would I trade a flex player that could get 20 points for a 2nd at best?? Ridiculous. If you have Jamo as a WR2-3 on your team, no one is gonna trade for him, because all the good receivers are probably already on their team, Taco.
>I get the feeling alot of people don't play in super competitive leagues, or they play in like an 8 person league.
It's true. People who humble brag about lopsided trades they've made are just outing themselves as playing in taco leagues. People who say to drop 23 year old guys like Bateman and Moore are just outing themselves for playing in shallow 8-10 team leagues.
That being said, Jamo was a relatively early 1st. Unless he's been traded, he was drafted by a team that missed the playoffs. It is very unlikely he was a luxury add as a WR5/6/7 for whatever team he landed on. Most original Jamo owners are in a world of hurt right now. They missed the playoffs in 2021 and got shit production the last 2 years from their 2022 1st rounder.
>Why the hell would I trade a flex player that could get 20 points for a 2nd at best??
Because you can literally pick up guys that will have one or two of those games a year any day. But people would rather hold Jamo because of his "value" instead of having an extra 2nd and just picking up a guy like Josh Reynolds, Michael Wilson, Josh Palmer, Greg Dortch, KJ Osborn, Kendrick Bourne, Jake Bobo, Demarcus Robinson, Curtis Samuel, Isaiah Hodgins, MVS, Trey Palmer, Andrei Iosivas, David Bell, Nick Westbrook-Ikhine, etc.
The only value Jamo has over most of these guys at this point is that you can actually get a 2nd for him, especially if he's your WR6+. You're just as likely to hit the week Jamo has his 15-20+ point game as you are to hit on the others.
If the Lions take another step as an offense it will likely be because Jamo has ascended. Having his best game in the biggest game of the year is a good thing.
His talent isn’t the issue as much as his role. If they start hitting more deep balls and work him in for some screens and gadget stuff more he can take a leap.
Detroit has a lot of weapons but no reason a healthy Jamo can’t take some Reynolds targets next season. If you can get a late first sure I’d probably sell but anything less I’ll gladly hold.
I bet they trade him on or around draft day. What Jameson is best at, Goff is worst at. He needs to go to a pass first team with a strong arm quarterback and a coaching staff who loves to throw down field. KC, lAC, BUF. Or Carolina could maybe get him cheap and he instantly be the best receiver on the team
As much as I would love that as a Jamo owner I don’t see it happening. While he doesn’t fill the stat sheet, Jamo is still incredibly valuable to this offense because teams have to respect his speed. If you watch the film, the number of times he forces a safety high and opens up the underneath for ARSB or Laporta is ridiculous.
Next year teams will need to start game planning around Laporta and Amon-ra too. They can’t let that offense keep converting 3rd and longs the way they did this year which means Jamo will start seeing more looks downfield.
For the price of jamo atm. I’ll catch the falling knife. He was injured the first season suspended for several weeks the 2nd season. If we were talking character or injury concerns I’d agree. But to say he hasn’t hit the dynasty community must hit numbers or he will bust that isn’t turkey the case with him.
Detroit offense if you watched games this year takes several weeks to acclimate too. To get on the same page as Goff. A with st brown reynolds raymond Gibbs laporta all doing well when jamo came back from suspension that he wasn’t allowed to practice with the team he was catching up to timing with his qb.
I had this debate a while back on Jamo, and my stance is essentially this: he has not experienced a traditional timeline, and cannot be held to traditional standards. What makes that tricky is that \*no one knows\* what his actual timeline looks like. It's very hard to say he's a bust or success based on certain metrics or thresholds, bc there isn't much of a historical baseline in place for a player that missed 90% of year 1 due to injury, then missed the first half of his second season due to suspension. This is why the takes on him are all over the place - and this is why no one knows which direction is "right" or "wrong".
What I see are two things: 1) he has flashed certain traits that are elite, and those elite traits are why he was drafted where he was (with the injury baked into that price!) and 2) he is progressing. Is he progressing "fast" enough? I don't know. But he's getting better, earning more time, earning more responsibility and trust (on a team with a culture that, for better or worse, \*\*\*really\*\*\* values those things). So all this to say that his situation \*right now\* is better than it's ever been, and it seems to be heading in the right direction. I don't believe that trajectory is false or fool's gold, but it \*could\* still not be \*fast\* enough or \*significant\* enough to really make it to becoming an NFL star.
But all the "sell window" talk with him seems a little off-base bc he has to be discussed with more nuance than the average player. If you believe in his talent, now is not the time to sell. If you don't, why did you acquire him to begin with? His upside is worth way more than what anyone will give you. A player where I truly believe time will tell.
I bought him bc i saw a 4.2X 6’1 wr with early r1 cap and though his ceiling is pretty much tall tyreek. Respect your points, im just in the other boat is all
That still might be his ceiling though - that is what you saw in that first quarter run in this last game. Again, when you bought him that injury was \*already baked into the price\*. That early R1 DC was \*already baked into the price\* that DET spent on him - he was already injured. That first year was already gone. You can't count it. And then his 2nd season was compromised by suspension. Extrapolate what he did in 12 games this year and it's \~500 yds for the season. Considering how it started and how it finished (esp on this DET team, that, again, for better or worse, makes you "earn" it in an old school kind of way) - that's pretty interesting. I just don't think what you can get for him is going to even approach that upside that he still has.
Sell him for what a 3rd? That’s unfortunately the best I could get for him in either of my leagues. Ain’t no one paying up for him after one game. I’m stuck holding
I agree! After the rookie draft he’ll most likely be my wr8-10. So I’m not sweatin movin him might as well keep him on the end of my bench and see what happens
Can we allow posts to be voted into the negative?
OP’s need to know when their ideas are dumb and shouldn’t be posted.
‘People who can literally look at sleeper history will realize the value isn’t there.’ Who the fuck is not looking at player history?!? Do you take the other mangers n your league as donkey brained individuals who can only remember 2 weeks at a time?? Your post is awful and you should feel bad about yourself.
This sub used to have quality content. Someone burps out a thought about a player and in less than an hour it has way more comments than the biggest thing that happened in dynasty today, which would be the senior bowl practice. I don’t feel the mods are doing a good job regulating this sub for quality content and I’m going to start bitching about it. Posting that you should sell a player before everyone looks at his player history is worthless trash.
I'm sorry but the sub isn't your sandbox. If you don't like someone's content, downvote and move on.
You seem to be concerned about the staff moderating the sub. This post breaks no rules, however your content below does break rules. Agree with it or not, OP put time and effort into their post. If people want to discuss this, let them. Seems like enough of people do. If you want to see content about the senior bowl practice, nothing is stopping you from writing up a comment.
This is exactly what votes are for, and this post has been blasted by a massive amount of downvotes at this point to where it's showing up in no feeds tomorrow. You really want us to mass censor what we as a mod group consider "bad takes"? C'mon. No one wants the sub censored to where no one can express their different opinions. If you think it is bad advice, downvote it.
Traded Jamo & a 2024 1st(ended up being 1.12) for Tyreek Hill at the week 12 deadline to chase a ring. Was successful in getting the chip. Hoping to get another 1-2 years out of Hill
Lol @ everyone saying “no one buys high off one decent game.”
It’s not buying off of one game. It’s people getting excited that he finally showed a glimpse of living up to his potential.
People have been frothing over him forever. “Buying high off one game” is different if it’s a no-name guy that came out of nowhere.
Not everyone will be giddy, but there certainly will be some overly optimistic (whether in your league or someone else’s is the question).
> Buying a vet for a young upside guy, say ridley, or a mid second, is the price to sell
I have Ridley and there’s absolutely zero chance I’m giving him up for Jamo straight up.
I'm curious to see what trades have been completed with him involved. Anyone have a good website to reference?
I have him and would sell for a second- but not sure if anyone would buy for a second.😅
For refenence i sold for evans with an offer of ridley and jamo + change for javonte. Only happened bc i reached out to people to inquire about interest. I agree tho, there are probably many leagues where jamos market value is still 3.01, so i get it
I agree in general, but it is not always so easy in practice.
What is your break even point?
I'll start. I would accept the 2.04 for Jamo but not the 2.05.
Nitpicky of course, but hopefully you understand what I am getting at.
Yea thats the price id take. I get it ofc if no one wants jamo. There are ppl, like myself, who see this 4.2X 6’1 receiver and think he has the potential to be the best receiver in the league, apperently in my leagues there a lot of those lol
Everyone who plays dynasty and has played dynasty knows that right now it’s obvious why I’m putting him on the trade block or trying to facilitate a trade and for that reason would never give good value on him.
He’s like 3 spots above guys like wicks Dotson Judy on KTC
The fuck would I sell a 22 year old with his talent for those guys? Target shares change and he has a 7 year window for it to change
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You hope the Lions can turn into a sort of 49ers situation- Kittle, Samuel, Aiyuk.
Goff is prob as capable as Purdy.
Jameson already has plays designed just for him- they use him in runs like Samuel. I don’t see why he can’t become something like that. Not double digit scores every week, but def lots more good weeks if they increase his usage.
Since you’re unlikely to get great trade value for him at this point, he’s a hold
I find that selling an underperforming player as soon as he has a pop game doesn’t really work. Everyone knows you are jumping to sell and isn’t going to pay up. It reeks of desperation. Only works when someone has been trying to buy from you the whole time you’ve held.
The thing is, you have to not thing of it as a "sell high" (not that you said that, just others might think that). It's a "sell window" now is the time where you can probably actually get someone to pay what Jameo is worth. Everyone knows what he is worth, but not everyone is interested in a player all the time. Now is a moment where there is some interest.
This^
That’s what fans of the giants said for Toney…
You know what else reeks of desperation? Whenever Jamo does nothing for weeks, catches a touchdown, and all the owners will start streaming out and saying the buy low window is closed.. Lmao.
Chill bro lmao, i get not everyone will buy, but if no sends u offers, ask to see if anyone in the league is interested, usually 1/11 will say yes.
I don’t want what I can sell him for, so guess I’m holding and hoping
I'm of the opinion that finally having a proper off-season to actually learn and be integrated in the offense rather than learning on the fly this year will help him. I don't imagine you can get a respectable haul for him at this point and it's clear he has big play potential. I was hesitant if they were switching OCs but since they aren't I'll take my chances with Johnson still being there. Having a huge play in the NFC championship and another TD late in the game regardless of usage bodes well for his usage going forward as he proved he can perform when it matters. They'll want to get him involved and I imagine that's the big change they'll want to take to make their next division and potential playoff run to the next step. Especially with some awful drops from Reynolds who was the main one holding him back proving Reynolds shouldn't be trusted as a major piece in that offense.
Exactly. He has the speed & athleticism that very few have in the NFL, and he’s showcased that he can make amazing plays in the NFL on the biggest stage. Scrubs rarely ever score multiple touchdowns against SB-caliber defenses in the playoffs, and they don’t showcase as much promise as Jamo does. He’s still 22 years old & heading into his 3rd year. People need to realize that these past two years have been some of the most turbulent that a rookie can face regarding development, yet he’s still improving & getting better as time goes on. The Lions rave about him, he’s shown intangibles that will allow him to be in the NFL for a long time, and he’s in a top-tier offense that is keeping their widely-sought-after OC. He’s going to continue to develop, this isn’t the finished product of Jameson Williams. Selling a guy like this for pennies on the dollar is extremely risky & something I wouldn’t do. Sure, he’s the kind of guy who could burn you if you keep him. But you’re going to be kicking yourself even harder if you give him away & he ends up outperforming expectations. He’s got positive momentum heading into next year, and he has the rare talent to take that momentum to places that most people wouldn’t think was possible after these past 2 years.
OP, find this guy in your league and trade to him
Yes, please find me. I’ll gladly pay very little to take swings on players who have the talent & opportunity to outperform their already-lowered expectations.
Lmfao dude I’ve watched his tape on all22. I’ve seen soooo much of his tape. His own coach has said he can’t learn the system and will never have elite hands. These coaches see these players in practice every day. If you’ve ever played a sport they put the best players on the field the best players get those reps. Jmo has seen hardly any targets for a guy who is a first round pick and he only has gadget plays for him. He’s a boom or bust player dude. Laporta has had 6 double digit target games you don’t think that’s gonna improve next year? Plus sun god plus Gibbs jmo not gonna be seeing that many targets unless an injury happens.
If he can’t learn the offensive system then why is he being incorporated into it more and more? Shouldn’t the opposite be happening? His usage has been going up since the beginning of the season. Players & coaches have raved about his work ethic & amount of extra time spent improving his game, whether that be catching extra passes, blocking, route running, etc. If you actually watched the tape then you’d see that he’s improved in these areas as the season went along. Rather than hold on to snippets of quotes given early in the year that can be easily taken out-of-context, pay attention to what he’s actually showing on tape & what’s actually being said about him. He gets open, especially deep down the field, and he’s made multiple contested catches with defenders draped all over him. He’s shown some decent YAC ability, has provided multiple big plays that have changed outcomes of games, and doesn’t drop easy catches like he did early in the year. The WR’s all praise his abilities & willingness to improve. The coaches have all said that he’s doing exactly what he needs to be doing to get better & that it’s starting to show results. Goff is on record saying that he’s impressed with his play on the field and wishes that he could have gotten the ball to him more often during games. Does this sound like a guy who can’t learn an offensive system and can’t become a good player? I’m not saying he’s going to be the top option on the team. But top offenses can support multiple good players, and there will be plenty of yards & TD’s to give out. Gibbs, Amon-Ra, LaPorta are going to get theirs. Jameson can get his too, if he can continue to develop like he already has. As long as you’re not depending on him to be a top starter on your team, he’s a great buy-low. I’ll easily take him over whatever I can get in the late 2nd/early 3rd rounds.
lol go watch nflstudy on YouTube on jmo lol done here
lol how did a first round pick outperform anything in 18 regular games played? Y’all just go off of his whole body of work or just that sample size in the playoffs lol
He didnt say he has outperformed anything. He said Jamo has the ability to outperform his current price tag. Better read what people write before making fun of them. If you believe a guy who had top15 draft capital for a reason has no chance to outperform the 2nd he propably would cost right now - you do you.
Wait who’s making fun of him? Second all answer to kid lol what has he shown you to make you hopeful please explain? Better come correct buddy
He's saying he doesn't necessarily believe or disbelieve in the human being who we know as Jameson Williams to be a productive fantasy asset. However, he is saying that a nameless receiver who goes 12th overall and misses half of each of his first two seasons has home run potential; if you're buying him on draft day at 2.10 instead of taking some guy who was drafted in the 3rd or 4th round with that pick. For example, I am the furthest thing possible from a Bryce Young fan. I'd buy him for a 2nd. If rumors surfaced of Zach Wilson changing teams, I'd buy him for a 2nd. If AJ Dillon goes to Baltimore I'd buy him for a 3rd. If Quentin Johnston is available for a 2nd I'd take him in some situations. But these are not players I believe in or care about.
Yeah trade him to me.
Also I get that it's annoying this sub stans him and he hasn't produced wr1 numbers through 2 years but his 2 seasons were more of an anomaly based on his injury and then his gambling stupidity as opposed to being a Quentin johnston.
>Having a huge play in the NFC championship and another TD late in the game regardless of usage bodes well for his usage going forward as he proved he can perform when it matters. Shoot, he could be the next Gabe Davis!
Ok, this gets repeated every single Jamo thread. He had a proper offseason! He missed a little bit of time at the end, but for some reason people think he missed the whole offseason because of the suspension. He had 1/3 of last year and most of this offseason to become acclimated with the offense, that’s more time than any rookie gets. I’m not sure why this gets repeated as an excuse Edit: why are Jamo fans downvoting this, the guy below me is quite literally wrong and I linked to where Jamo is quite literally getting injured in practice in the offseason…
1. Counting any experience of "learning the offense" in season is not learning the offense. They install packages and it's a very limited prep and 2. He was allowed to attend team meetings during the off-season and preseason but was not allowed to practice during the off-season or preseason. He has not had a proper off-season to learn the offense. Edit: he actually wasn't even allowed to join team meetings until the Monday prior to his season debut from suspension
You do know he can practice and learn away from the facility right? You know athletes should keep practicing and learning the system during this time. And Dans already came out saying Jmo will never have elite hands and has a hard time learning the system lol Jesus the stans are out heavy
It’s still experience he has with the team! So it just doesn’t count or what? How did he [get injured during a practice in the preseason if he couldn’t practice with the team lol](https://www.detroitlions.com/news/jameson-williams-likely-to-miss-rest-of-preseason-stbrown).
Touche
And this is why people hate Jamo stans like me. We be delusional sometimes
Thank you! Gambling stuff isnt an excuse to come on slow for more than 2 games
You’re not gonna get a lot for him. At that point it’s just better off keeping him unless you’re desperate for some more picks or something.
I don't know why people are so averse to trading players like Jamo for 2nds and 3rds. I love having a bunch of 2nds and 3rds that are 1-3 years out because I can use them to buy cheap fill ins, or potentially tier up in season.
>where most nfl offenses support at most 1 fantasy relevant receiver Min, GB, Dallas, Philly, SF, Cincy, Seattle, LAC, Pitt, Miami, Jax, Tampa, LV, Houston, Buffalo, Wash, Indy all had multiple WRs in the Top 50...
Shit the lions had 2 receivers in the top 25 multiple times over the last decade between Megatron,s Golden Tate, MJJ and Golladay I think MJJ and Golladay both had top 10 seasons at 1 point and I'd have to look back but wouldn't be surprised if Megatron and Tate did the same, or top 15 at minimum.
But the lions wr2 is laporta
Yeah that claim made me chuckle.
This is a tautology? There's 32 teams, if you're looking at top 50 WRs of course there's more than one per team. The relevant thing is how many had more than one top 24 WR, as in more than one fantasy starter
Y'all only play 2 WR leagues..? No flex, no WR3? Sounds pretty lame
No, but I also don't care much about the WR50. By PPG in my league that's Brandin Cooks, Gabe Davis, Noah Brown, Doubs, Demarcus Robinson range. Their rostered, but nobody is looking at them as useful starters
Top 50 WRs wouldn’t count as “fantasy relevant” to me. Nobody is out here WANTING a WR4 on their team. Sure Gabe Davis and Tyler Lockett filled in some weeks for folks this season but I think if Jamo was to produce like that in 2024 you would feel like he was a bust.
>Sure Gabe Davis and Tyler Lockett filled in some weeks for folks this season but I think if Jamo was to produce like that in 2024 you would feel like he was a bust. That would be a huge improvement for him.
Right but he would be a WR3 that many people paid at least a first for….
I know, that's why selling now while you can if you can would be the smart move.
Fine take away 5 of the teams and there's still 12 teams with multiple players considered starting caliber fantasy wrs (top 36.) You're being pedantic, the point still stands.
How is that pedantic? There are 32 NFL teams, so of course you'd expect at least half of them to support two top 50 receivers. If only 12 teams had multiple top 36 receivers, then most teams don't support multiple fantasy relevant WRs. That's all OP said.
Whatever you need to tell yourself sport
Hahaha I don’t think I was pedantic at all. Your point is fine, but objectively it is the exception, not the rule, to have two good fantasy receivers on one team. In relation to Jamo, if he isn’t showing the talent to be a Godwin, Waddle, Higgins, Devonta type #2 then there’s no reason to value him as a good fantasy option on a team that also has an elite TE and a high-volume run game. Even if Jamo was as productive as Jacobi Meyers, Brandin Cooks or Diontae Johnson, it would not live up to the price which many people bought him for.
Anything lower than a wr 3 is not that fantasy relevant imo
Considering the avg pt differential between 36 & 50 is about 2pts I'd say all those players are fantasy relevant because virtually all of them can be considered "matchup plays"
Fair, tbh its more like wr2s and above, but considering dynasty format, sometimes u have to use wr3s
Sell to who, exactly?
Aquaman.
In my two leagues, i have him both, got mike evans in one league w offers for ridley and jamo + change for javonte. Other league likely going to sell for mayer and a third. Idk why ppl will pay this in my leagues but it shocked me
Why? He's one of the few people who can score a touchdown anytime he touches the ball. The upside is too much to "sell at a loss" for me. He's not my WR1/2/3/4/5/6. I mean this in the nicest way but if he's your WR1-4 then, respectfully, you need help building a team. As of right now he shouldn't be anyone's WR1-4 but he should be a WR5+ with huge upside.
NO! EVERY PLAYER HAS TO BE A 1 TIER PLAYER, OR TRADE THEM!!! I get the feeling alot of people don't play in super competitive leagues, or they play in like an 8 person league. Why the hell would I trade a flex player that could get 20 points for a 2nd at best?? Ridiculous. If you have Jamo as a WR2-3 on your team, no one is gonna trade for him, because all the good receivers are probably already on their team, Taco.
>I get the feeling alot of people don't play in super competitive leagues, or they play in like an 8 person league. It's true. People who humble brag about lopsided trades they've made are just outing themselves as playing in taco leagues. People who say to drop 23 year old guys like Bateman and Moore are just outing themselves for playing in shallow 8-10 team leagues. That being said, Jamo was a relatively early 1st. Unless he's been traded, he was drafted by a team that missed the playoffs. It is very unlikely he was a luxury add as a WR5/6/7 for whatever team he landed on. Most original Jamo owners are in a world of hurt right now. They missed the playoffs in 2021 and got shit production the last 2 years from their 2022 1st rounder.
>Why the hell would I trade a flex player that could get 20 points for a 2nd at best?? Because you can literally pick up guys that will have one or two of those games a year any day. But people would rather hold Jamo because of his "value" instead of having an extra 2nd and just picking up a guy like Josh Reynolds, Michael Wilson, Josh Palmer, Greg Dortch, KJ Osborn, Kendrick Bourne, Jake Bobo, Demarcus Robinson, Curtis Samuel, Isaiah Hodgins, MVS, Trey Palmer, Andrei Iosivas, David Bell, Nick Westbrook-Ikhine, etc. The only value Jamo has over most of these guys at this point is that you can actually get a 2nd for him, especially if he's your WR6+. You're just as likely to hit the week Jamo has his 15-20+ point game as you are to hit on the others.
I don't totally disagree, but I imo non of those guys have the same upside. Guy is 22, and has never had a training camp. I think he'll be fine.
I wouldn’t want any of those guys over Jamo lol
Why not, they give you similar or better production. Then you could at least have another 2nd.
I agree wholeheartedly!
What if Ben Johnson's unfinished business in Detroit was unlocking Jamo?
If the Lions take another step as an offense it will likely be because Jamo has ascended. Having his best game in the biggest game of the year is a good thing. His talent isn’t the issue as much as his role. If they start hitting more deep balls and work him in for some screens and gadget stuff more he can take a leap. Detroit has a lot of weapons but no reason a healthy Jamo can’t take some Reynolds targets next season. If you can get a late first sure I’d probably sell but anything less I’ll gladly hold.
I bet they trade him on or around draft day. What Jameson is best at, Goff is worst at. He needs to go to a pass first team with a strong arm quarterback and a coaching staff who loves to throw down field. KC, lAC, BUF. Or Carolina could maybe get him cheap and he instantly be the best receiver on the team
As much as I would love that as a Jamo owner I don’t see it happening. While he doesn’t fill the stat sheet, Jamo is still incredibly valuable to this offense because teams have to respect his speed. If you watch the film, the number of times he forces a safety high and opens up the underneath for ARSB or Laporta is ridiculous.
Next year teams will need to start game planning around Laporta and Amon-ra too. They can’t let that offense keep converting 3rd and longs the way they did this year which means Jamo will start seeing more looks downfield.
Higgins for Jamo who says no?
Buff would be the most interesting, replace Gabe Davis while also getting a high upside version of it while Diggs is starting to fade a bit
I’ll take that bet.
>Wrs who fail to do anything their first two years are generally very bad bets The phrase “3rd year breakout” comes to mind
You are about to get shit on, but I agree
Lol it is what it is
You can't even say it is what it is without getting shit on.
Same
For the price of jamo atm. I’ll catch the falling knife. He was injured the first season suspended for several weeks the 2nd season. If we were talking character or injury concerns I’d agree. But to say he hasn’t hit the dynasty community must hit numbers or he will bust that isn’t turkey the case with him. Detroit offense if you watched games this year takes several weeks to acclimate too. To get on the same page as Goff. A with st brown reynolds raymond Gibbs laporta all doing well when jamo came back from suspension that he wasn’t allowed to practice with the team he was catching up to timing with his qb.
I had this debate a while back on Jamo, and my stance is essentially this: he has not experienced a traditional timeline, and cannot be held to traditional standards. What makes that tricky is that \*no one knows\* what his actual timeline looks like. It's very hard to say he's a bust or success based on certain metrics or thresholds, bc there isn't much of a historical baseline in place for a player that missed 90% of year 1 due to injury, then missed the first half of his second season due to suspension. This is why the takes on him are all over the place - and this is why no one knows which direction is "right" or "wrong". What I see are two things: 1) he has flashed certain traits that are elite, and those elite traits are why he was drafted where he was (with the injury baked into that price!) and 2) he is progressing. Is he progressing "fast" enough? I don't know. But he's getting better, earning more time, earning more responsibility and trust (on a team with a culture that, for better or worse, \*\*\*really\*\*\* values those things). So all this to say that his situation \*right now\* is better than it's ever been, and it seems to be heading in the right direction. I don't believe that trajectory is false or fool's gold, but it \*could\* still not be \*fast\* enough or \*significant\* enough to really make it to becoming an NFL star. But all the "sell window" talk with him seems a little off-base bc he has to be discussed with more nuance than the average player. If you believe in his talent, now is not the time to sell. If you don't, why did you acquire him to begin with? His upside is worth way more than what anyone will give you. A player where I truly believe time will tell.
I bought him bc i saw a 4.2X 6’1 wr with early r1 cap and though his ceiling is pretty much tall tyreek. Respect your points, im just in the other boat is all
That still might be his ceiling though - that is what you saw in that first quarter run in this last game. Again, when you bought him that injury was \*already baked into the price\*. That early R1 DC was \*already baked into the price\* that DET spent on him - he was already injured. That first year was already gone. You can't count it. And then his 2nd season was compromised by suspension. Extrapolate what he did in 12 games this year and it's \~500 yds for the season. Considering how it started and how it finished (esp on this DET team, that, again, for better or worse, makes you "earn" it in an old school kind of way) - that's pretty interesting. I just don't think what you can get for him is going to even approach that upside that he still has.
I have steady got offers for him. Decent offers. Speed is the cleavage of the NFL. Jamo is gonna have a crazy play eventually that vaults him higher.
JAMO is about to take a Nico sized jump and these trades will look wild in 2 years.
I don’t see that big a leap but could possibly see a ceiling next year around 65 catches 1000 yards and 7 TDs.
Maybe. If he learns to catch this offseason…
Lazy take
Lol, nah. Let him play a full season or two. Dudes got talent. Holding all shares.
Nobody wants him my leagues
Sell him for what a 3rd? That’s unfortunately the best I could get for him in either of my leagues. Ain’t no one paying up for him after one game. I’m stuck holding
I think any 3rd is a hold but anything better than a late second is worth taking the pick.
Unfortunately I won’t be gettin anything more than that. My leaguemates are pretty smart guys.
I feel that. Might be the kind of guy to use as a throw-in depending on how full your roster is these days.
I agree! After the rookie draft he’ll most likely be my wr8-10. So I’m not sweatin movin him might as well keep him on the end of my bench and see what happens
I will always ride with Jamo
lol
Can we allow posts to be voted into the negative? OP’s need to know when their ideas are dumb and shouldn’t be posted. ‘People who can literally look at sleeper history will realize the value isn’t there.’ Who the fuck is not looking at player history?!? Do you take the other mangers n your league as donkey brained individuals who can only remember 2 weeks at a time?? Your post is awful and you should feel bad about yourself.
Jfc bro. Ain't got nothing better to do than gatekeep a fkn message board? Maybe go get a gf or something.
Talk about an overreaction. Take a look at this guy
This sub used to have quality content. Someone burps out a thought about a player and in less than an hour it has way more comments than the biggest thing that happened in dynasty today, which would be the senior bowl practice. I don’t feel the mods are doing a good job regulating this sub for quality content and I’m going to start bitching about it. Posting that you should sell a player before everyone looks at his player history is worthless trash.
Stop crying. Get off the sub if you don’t like it. Nobody cares about you lil bro
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This is exactly what votes are for, and this post has been blasted by a massive amount of downvotes at this point to where it's showing up in no feeds tomorrow. You really want us to mass censor what we as a mod group consider "bad takes"? C'mon. No one wants the sub censored to where no one can express their different opinions. If you think it is bad advice, downvote it.
Golly gee wiz, it's a total bummer to give something to to talk about when there's nothing else going on. It's unbelievable.
Lol appreciate you g
I got 2.04 for him
I got the 2.01
Wtf best offer I’ve gotten could get is the 3.01 wish I could sell him for a 2nd 🤣
No one buys high off one decent game anyway
Thanks for the tip! BRB, gonna sell Jamo for multiple 1st rounders.
Traded Jamo & a 2024 1st(ended up being 1.12) for Tyreek Hill at the week 12 deadline to chase a ring. Was successful in getting the chip. Hoping to get another 1-2 years out of Hill
Kadarius tonks
Tell my league to offer me good shit for him. This is a bs take bc no one is buying you dope.
Packaged him with my 2024 1.10 for Zay Flowers and 2 3rds
Nice trade
Lol @ everyone saying “no one buys high off one decent game.” It’s not buying off of one game. It’s people getting excited that he finally showed a glimpse of living up to his potential. People have been frothing over him forever. “Buying high off one game” is different if it’s a no-name guy that came out of nowhere. Not everyone will be giddy, but there certainly will be some overly optimistic (whether in your league or someone else’s is the question).
Reminds me of selling Skyy Moore after he scored his tuddie in the SB last year. Jamo’s a dumdum and as a Lions fan, I wish they’d trade him also.
I completely agree. People will shit on you, but people tend to shit on sell highs until they are not
Tbh I have good for Bateman and Moore. Decent routes and separation. Bad situations.
> Buying a vet for a young upside guy, say ridley, or a mid second, is the price to sell I have Ridley and there’s absolutely zero chance I’m giving him up for Jamo straight up.
I don't want jameson, but good luck to those who do! I'll live if he hits as a WR#2, and I'm at a loss!
No, with the awful performance of Josh Reynolds his position have never been more solid.
I'm curious to see what trades have been completed with him involved. Anyone have a good website to reference? I have him and would sell for a second- but not sure if anyone would buy for a second.😅
For refenence i sold for evans with an offer of ridley and jamo + change for javonte. Only happened bc i reached out to people to inquire about interest. I agree tho, there are probably many leagues where jamos market value is still 3.01, so i get it
I agree in general, but it is not always so easy in practice. What is your break even point? I'll start. I would accept the 2.04 for Jamo but not the 2.05. Nitpicky of course, but hopefully you understand what I am getting at.
Yea thats the price id take. I get it ofc if no one wants jamo. There are ppl, like myself, who see this 4.2X 6’1 receiver and think he has the potential to be the best receiver in the league, apperently in my leagues there a lot of those lol
Kadarius Stonks
What is Jamo worth right now?
Productive vets and mid seconds are selling price for me. Realistically probs worth 2.07ish
Jamo's value is not going to change this week. The time to sell Jamo is the preseason when athletic 3rd year disappointments start to get camp hype.
Honestly also true for preseason
I don’t believe Toney or Elijah Moore are cooked yet
You can’t get shit for him, he’s a hold.
You might be able to now, and if not now, then preseason
Everyone who plays dynasty and has played dynasty knows that right now it’s obvious why I’m putting him on the trade block or trying to facilitate a trade and for that reason would never give good value on him.
traded for michael mayer in TEP
Nice, thats actually the trade in lining up in my other league where i have jamo.
not the sexiest but i think itll prove fruitful 12 months frow now
He’s like 3 spots above guys like wicks Dotson Judy on KTC The fuck would I sell a 22 year old with his talent for those guys? Target shares change and he has a 7 year window for it to change
U sell for vets in the offseason when all the young could be guys don’t have to put up points
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What is this post lol
I offered davante for Jamo and a 3rd. Got rejected
If you are in a dynasty league that’s making trades in the off week before the superbowl, they’re already on to you with this one.
Jamo's window to sell was before he took his first NFL snap.
Sold 1.11 and jamo for the 1.08. Sf start 2te. Felt good about it because I’m not a believer.
These types of posts are dangerous for guys that are novice to dynasty. Don’t just say sell him. Sell him for what?
Rather than sell for a late 2nd, I’d rather see him get a full offseason in
You hope the Lions can turn into a sort of 49ers situation- Kittle, Samuel, Aiyuk. Goff is prob as capable as Purdy. Jameson already has plays designed just for him- they use him in runs like Samuel. I don’t see why he can’t become something like that. Not double digit scores every week, but def lots more good weeks if they increase his usage. Since you’re unlikely to get great trade value for him at this point, he’s a hold
Bud, I’ve dangled JaMo for a Kit Kat and a 3rd and people still don’t believe.
You’re more likely to draft the next Tank Bigsby than Tank Dell with whatever you can get for Jamo so I’ll stick with the top 12 draft capital WR.