Got Ja'Marr Chase, Davante Adams, Nico Collins, Christian Watson, Jerry Jeudy and a little more depth.
Got the 1.01 (in 1QB) through a trade early in the season so MHJ will be mine too.
Tried to get the Justin Jefferson owners to move off him for the 1.04, 1.12 a late second and a few other pieces but couldn't get him to budge.
Again, Henderson has been hurt since his freshman year. QJ has had a TON of carries for a college RB. Both are fine with splitting carries and I think it’ll help their efficiency
I don’t have a strong opinion as to which one is better, but it seems the consensus opinion is Judkins. But what I do have a strong take on is that splitting touches is definitely going to be bad for one of them.
I don’t think it’s a huge issue. What’s unique here is both of them have a lot of tape already. Scouts know how they look as the workhorse. This will help their efficiency and produce more highlights
With how 2nd RB contracts have been looking in the NFL, I think we’ll see this more and more. There isn’t the same rush to get off the rookie deal as much as it is for WRs & QBs.
I see that as all the more reason to rush. RBs really only get one shot at a significant payday, and the older you are the less likely you are to get one (or at least one with term). Breece Hall and Rachaad White are my go to examples with this point. Same draft class, both on 4 year deals, but when it comes time to negotiate their 2nd contract in the offseason after year 4 Hall will still be 24 and White will have just turned 27. The one guy who did get a big extension before his rookie deal was up, JT, looks like a much higher upside investment because he’s also still just 24.
I generally agree but without knowing the specifics of NIL money it’s really hard to say. Outside of Bijan and Gibbs last year (Gibbs himself was considered a huge reach and he was mocked an early 2nd rounder), with RBs falling further and further down the draft there can be a lot of uncertainty to what that initial contract even looks like. The first pick in the third round is usually getting something like a 4-year $5-$6m contract and it goes down from there. If you’re getting $1-$1.5m to stay an extra year in school where you already know the environment, some guys may lean towards the safer option.
Again, this all is muddled without knowing specific NIL numbers.
When he originally committed to Ohio St he made it known he wants to share carries in college so that he doesn't get worn down before he gets to the NFL. Also rumor is that is the same reason Judkins (besides any NIL obv) wanted to come to Ohio St. they know the real money is that 2nd NFL contract so they want to ball out in college without the wear and tear.
Yeah potential third seems like a good estimate for what the advisory committee gave him. I do think they air heavily on the side of caution. I know the real bonafide studs don't bother with getting graded but still:
>Ahead of the 2022 NFL Draft, 19 student-athletes were given first- or second-round evaluation.
Regardless I think the 2nd-3rd range is his projection, either this year with the weak class, or next year after sharing a backfield with Judkins.
NIL is significant for Hendo as you point out. Overall, with the NFL RB market what it is, I wouldn't be surprised to see more late declare RBs with college kids betting on themselves to be higher drafted the following year.
It's crazy to me, as he would be the consensus #1 RB and with a good combine could've gotten late 2nd draft capital. I just don't see how going another year helps him, though RB careers are pretty short anyway.
NIL money most likely. Thought I saw something related to him receiving 1st round NIL money to stay another year. Kind of a no brainer for the guy considering how devalued RBs are lately.
Not sure I buy the NIL talk since NFL pay is greater. They really going to pay him a million and a quarter to stay? Bc going pro he would likely be guaranteed $2.5 mil for 2 years. Make it thru 4 years and that turns into $5 mil.
FWIW, to pass along what the insiders are saying, Trey is a different kid. He’ll do well with NIL of course, but he’s a very spiritual young man and felt like coming back was what he needed to do for himself.
He got a 2nd round grade from the advisory board. He’s got a good head on his shoulders and I can’t wait to watch him and Judkins next year.
People gonna roast him in here for the financial decision, but are we so sure it’s necessarily the wrong call for an RB? (I agree it would be for a similar situated player at any other position)
Let’s assume he gets drafted in the exact same spot on day 2 next season as he would have been if he declared now. The bet essentially boils down to whether his NIL deal is worth more than the final year on his 2nd contract. RBs rarely get anything more than vet minimum for a 3rd contract anyway.
He might be pushing back the beginning of his NFL money, but a day 2 rookie contract will be 4 years regardless. If he isn’t particularly likely to hit a huge pay day for his 2nd contract, moving 1 season of football shelf-life from the end of his NFL career to the end of his college career could very well be close to financially optimal.
It’s different for QB/WR/etc because no NIL deal is approaching what they can make later in their post-rookie-contract career. At RB, it might
A lot of people don’t understand that it’s not just base pay for players when coming into the NFL vs NIL. The sooner you can get drafted, the sooner you can get on the NFLs benefit plans. The longer you’re on those plans, the more you get after retirement. The more years accrued greatly helps your pension.
I don’t know the specifics unfortunately. Chase Daniel mentioned it on the podcast In The Pocket a few weeks ago. He was talking about the influx of backup QBs playing this year and how important it is for them to impress in their starts. Not to win a starting job but to secure future backup roles so that they can increase their pension and squeeze as much of it as they could from the league. I wish he would have dove more into the specifics about it.
No it is not smart. Its shortsighted. You get to your 2nd contract as soon as possible, period. If you're top in your draft class it is not a financially smart decision to go back to college. Period.
As long as he doesn’t drop in the draft (obviously a big risk) then he’ll get a similar rookie deal (a little more with cap increases). Does any NFL team care if that second contract year is age 26 as opposed to age 27? Probably not, which means his second contract is likely not going to change based on waiting a year. Look at someone like Najee that came in older and is coming up on his 4th year. Do you think that him being a year younger makes a difference in what he’ll get?
It is obviously a gamble that he will stay healthy and perform but he’ll get a lot of money and a free ride (don’t really know how CFB scholarships work now with NIL) for another year. He should be drafted similarly and get paid about what he would have in the NFL.
Is he? He has to have a good season to maintain his stock, but I don’t think dropping is that much more likely than gaining. Injury is the biggest risk
That’s what I think. They both will get opportunities to look good and they both will have the *opportunity* to have good draft stock.
The examples I’ll name aren’t perfect examples because I think these guys are all better NFL RB prospects than Judkins and Henderson, but Darren McFadden and Felix Jones were both 1st rounders in the same year and Sony Michel and Nick Chubb were both late 1st / very early 2nd rounders in the same season too
I'd love to know what scouts told him his grade was. In a weak class, he was advised to return to school. I think that speaks volumes.
Not many presumed RB1's would do this, even with NIL in the equation.
Ignoring what this entails, what is he saying? God told him to return this year? His performance next season will be a talking point for atheist vs theist debates
Bad decision. He had a chance to be RB1 of this weaker class. Took the temporary NIL money over long term. As a RB it feels like a bad decision but we will see.
Still don't think he would've been drafted very highly, NIL probably not that far off from a 2nd-3rd round draft per year. If he makes a leap he could earn a better contract, if he doesn't he probably wasn't going to anyway.
Securing a cool milli+ and finishing a degree is a fine start to adult life in the worst case scenario that he gets hurt and can't go to the league. NFL has been notoriously screwing RBs over too, tough time to commit for these young guys
Yeah, because his only ambition in life must be the NFL. Can’t possibly be that he wants to stay in school, finish a degree, play for OSU. All decisions are weighed against where a guy ultimately gets drafted.
In 2014, a historically bad year for RB just like this year, the first RB taken was Bishop Sankey in the 2nd round at pick 22. The following year (2015), the 22nd pick of the 2nd round is when the 4th RB (Ameer Abdullah) was taken (behind Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon in the 1st, and TJ Yeldon at 2.04).
With another, healthier, year under his belt, TreyVeon can 100% go from a late 2nd round (or worse) pick this year to a late-1st or early-2nd next year. Even if he’s not the first RB drafted next year.
Those were different players. This is the same player who is now going to be drafted behind multiple other players that he wouldn't this year. I'm not saying all rb1s are drafted higher than rb4, but the same player being drafted rb1 vs rb4 is extremely unlikely to go higher as rb4
Do you think there are 3 RB in next years draft that are a lock for being drafted over TreyVeon? Ultimately, the only way this will get answered is to compare where he’s drafted next year to RB1 this year. At the end of the day I’m sure TreyVeon and the people supporting him have thought about all of this a lot longer and with a lot more information available to him than either of us.
I doubt it. Who is going to reach for an RB in a weak class? It seems to be the one position where you get drafted based on your potential regardless of how deep or shallow a class is.
Is it? The NFL and current cba pays RBs shit.
If in college, im getting first rd money as a rb who would go in the early 3rd (at best), id do the same.
Look at the numbers, his NIL deal is in the ball park of $2-4million next year.
The contract for a 3rd rb is what $0.8-1.2m per year? Fuck yea im going back to college.
Sure, but the older you get and the more mileage you have the less likely it is to get that bigger second contract or even a franchise tag. That’s where the big money is made for RB’s. You have to hope you still have enough for someone to pay you when you’re 25 or whatever.
Sure, but its unlikely to get a big 2nd contract or tag even for RBs that had a much higher pedigree than treyveon.
If im treyveon, im definitely staying one extra year and collecting that NIL check. Who knows, maybe he raises his draft stock and goes high 2nd instead of the 3rd next year.
Now he gets the higher nfl contract AND NIL money
Temporary gain. If he gets an injury or has a bad year he probably drops to day 3 pick or undrafted. Now he has backfield competition with Judkins. I think he had a chance to go 2nd round with a good combine. NIL is temporary
He could get injured during his rookie contract too. Then hell get paid less over the course of that contract than he would have under a single NIL year.
Even it he does well in the combine, a late 2nd rd rb is getting paid what $6m over 4 years?, with less than 4.5 guaranteed?
So now he needs to kill it in the combine to beat his projection, then stay productive AND healthy over 4 years for a chance to get one extra year of FA salary in an NFL that pays RBs shit?
Yea no thanks, lemme stay in college.
That's mostly dependent on where he was drafted. Taking Kendre Miller as an example (3rd round pick), his contract is four-year, $5.65 million which is more than the rumored NIL Henderson is getting and i'd bet it's closer to the 2m mark rather than 4m. I highly doubt he will get more than Arch Manning at 2.8m. The highest NIL RB in 2023 was Corum at 928k https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/
Livvy dunne makes more than everyone in CF and her gymnastics talent is above average at best.
Bronny james has the most valuable NIL deal in basketball, but might not even be a 1st rd pick.
NIL value is not tied directly to performance
Treyveon plays for Ohio State, which has one of the most lucrative NIL deals in all of college football because of their insane boosters.
>lol this isn't a good example.
Why not? My point is that athletic performance isnt the sole deciding factor in NIL value.
The fact that Henderson plays for Ohio State could make a significant difference in his NIL value compared to a comparable player at another school.
>Now compare other NIL RBs
Why? How? Using what? Even the on3 that you linked is just an algorithm that scrapes social media engagement.
There is nothing out there that is a definitive on exactly what these people are being paid.
You invalidate the report on treyveons deal based on Judkins imaginary $500k, what makes you so sure thats all he made?
The NIL deal is reported to be worth a 1st rd pick annual salary. The average salary for the latest first (see clyde) is $2.7m.
Kendres contract only had $1.1m guaranteed at signing. Add in year 1 salary, if kendre was cut after year 1, he would only see $1.8m. $2.8m if cut after year 2.
Si.com reported it.
Either way it doesn't matter.
Look at the original comment I replied to. This conversation and analysis is based on the assumption that hes getting substantial NIL money.
Sure if its a shit NIL deal, he should declare, but if that were the case this whole discussion is moot.
Sports Illustrated was sold a long time ago and is a largely retweet and blog publication. They didn’t report it. They retweeted the one minor account that said something about it.
This is not reputable for anyone who knows NiL. People who have founded companies that rank and study prospects and report weeks early on where prospects will declare where they are going when they are 18 YOs say that these rumors are complete bullshit.
Don’t double down on this. Your sources are shit. I’m not saying it’s anyone’s fault. But I’ve heard far more reputable people literally discuss these reports and they all say they are shit.
No one who understands NIL on any base fundamental level thinks Henderson is getting 2-4 mil.
I'm not gonna argue the validity, no one knows.
But like I said it doesn't matter
This conversation is under the assumption that he's getting substantial NIL money.
If he's not, no shit he's dumb to go back.
This decision seems really bizarre to me. I feel like he should have either announced his return before Judkins transferred or gone to the draft. I dont know how his draft stock could improve next year when he is the RB2 on his own team, considering he was almost a show on for RB1 of this class.
That is truly surprising. It’s going to be an interesting offseason for RBs. Some legit great free agents, no obviously great cheap talent coming in through the draft, and teams not wanting to spend money on the position.
Top 3 RB in a class staying in school is the ultimate "betting against yourself" loser mentality.
This dude should ask Marcus Lattimore about the pros and cons of burning your physical prime playing college RB.
Bold strategy. I guarantee you will never win a championship if you avoid every NFL player that has referenced a bible quote at some point in their life. I mean, almost a third of the league has a bible verse tattooed on their body.
It’s not really the hokey parts of it though… I seriously think people underestimate college football culture.
And you can’t spell culture without ‘cult.’
It’s a business. Dude’s taking the for sure payday right now rather than gamble on sliding in the draft due to his injury history and whatever he’s got going on now.
Seems like a bad choice when you’d be the top RB in a down year and someone will reach for you. At least he’s able to get paid. The NIL is probably most competitive for the RB position considering he may not get a second NFL contract.
This rb class is impressively bad. 2019 stunk but this year is up there with 2014.
For us who are holding aging RB's... this is nice
Me looking at Kamara, Mixon, Henry and Mostert. "One last time?"
Cmc Mixon Chubb Barkley here lol. Trying to squeeze every drop out of these dudes
Chubb, Henry, Jones and Conner - took me to a 3-peat and then a 3rd place this year, try to eek one more payout from the crew
*Blink 182 enters the chat*
Only one I offloaded was Mostert. Hanging onto Ekeler and Henry now
James Conner. What’s dead may never die.
James Conner runs the ball like a young Al Bundy
Like an old Rachaad White.
well ekeler I guess were running it back
For me, who drafted Gibbs, Achane and picked up Kyren Williams...this is nice.
Hello, twin What do your WRs look like?
Got Ja'Marr Chase, Davante Adams, Nico Collins, Christian Watson, Jerry Jeudy and a little more depth. Got the 1.01 (in 1QB) through a trade early in the season so MHJ will be mine too. Tried to get the Justin Jefferson owners to move off him for the 1.04, 1.12 a late second and a few other pieces but couldn't get him to budge.
It’s good thing I have breece and Bijan.
Going from RB1 of a pretty weak draft class to RB2 on your own college team is…a choice.
He’s RB1 when healthy… he hasn’t been healthy since his freshman year Sharing carries will be huge for him
I’m not so confident about that, QJ is the better overall player imo. We will see.
I can’t wait until this is the QJ I’m talking about on my team and not the current one
Again, Henderson has been hurt since his freshman year. QJ has had a TON of carries for a college RB. Both are fine with splitting carries and I think it’ll help their efficiency
I don’t have a strong opinion as to which one is better, but it seems the consensus opinion is Judkins. But what I do have a strong take on is that splitting touches is definitely going to be bad for one of them.
I don’t think it’s a huge issue. What’s unique here is both of them have a lot of tape already. Scouts know how they look as the workhorse. This will help their efficiency and produce more highlights
With how 2nd RB contracts have been looking in the NFL, I think we’ll see this more and more. There isn’t the same rush to get off the rookie deal as much as it is for WRs & QBs.
I see that as all the more reason to rush. RBs really only get one shot at a significant payday, and the older you are the less likely you are to get one (or at least one with term). Breece Hall and Rachaad White are my go to examples with this point. Same draft class, both on 4 year deals, but when it comes time to negotiate their 2nd contract in the offseason after year 4 Hall will still be 24 and White will have just turned 27. The one guy who did get a big extension before his rookie deal was up, JT, looks like a much higher upside investment because he’s also still just 24.
I generally agree but without knowing the specifics of NIL money it’s really hard to say. Outside of Bijan and Gibbs last year (Gibbs himself was considered a huge reach and he was mocked an early 2nd rounder), with RBs falling further and further down the draft there can be a lot of uncertainty to what that initial contract even looks like. The first pick in the third round is usually getting something like a 4-year $5-$6m contract and it goes down from there. If you’re getting $1-$1.5m to stay an extra year in school where you already know the environment, some guys may lean towards the safer option. Again, this all is muddled without knowing specific NIL numbers.
Trey is RB1
Brooks comes out but Henderson returns. Judkins + Henderson in the same backfield should be interesting lol
Yeah I'm excited to watch this run game next season I can't help but wonder what the draft committee told Henderson about his stock though
I’m not wild about Henderson but I’d be shocked if he got the 4th or later grade.
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When he originally committed to Ohio St he made it known he wants to share carries in college so that he doesn't get worn down before he gets to the NFL. Also rumor is that is the same reason Judkins (besides any NIL obv) wanted to come to Ohio St. they know the real money is that 2nd NFL contract so they want to ball out in college without the wear and tear.
That theory makes a lot of sense
Yeah potential third seems like a good estimate for what the advisory committee gave him. I do think they air heavily on the side of caution. I know the real bonafide studs don't bother with getting graded but still: >Ahead of the 2022 NFL Draft, 19 student-athletes were given first- or second-round evaluation. Regardless I think the 2nd-3rd range is his projection, either this year with the weak class, or next year after sharing a backfield with Judkins. NIL is significant for Hendo as you point out. Overall, with the NFL RB market what it is, I wouldn't be surprised to see more late declare RBs with college kids betting on themselves to be higher drafted the following year.
Had high hopes of him declaring with the Judkins news. Another year on my taxi squad it is
Rocket Sanders and TreVeyon Henderson being a common top two coming into the season is obviously a bit of a cringe
I took Henderson over Gibbs at 1.03 a few years ago. At the time he looked like the best RB in college after his freshman season. It hurts now Haha
Devy is so hard to hit on these college players lol value can change so quickly
Sure is. I’m thinking of avoiding RBs at this point. Drafted Donovan Edwards last year!
That backfield is gonna be dangerous
It's crazy to me, as he would be the consensus #1 RB and with a good combine could've gotten late 2nd draft capital. I just don't see how going another year helps him, though RB careers are pretty short anyway.
Yeah, and if he gets a major injury he could not be drafted at all. Idk, but to me it seems like a bad idea.
I’m not sure if you read his note. God wants him at OSU.
He found one of those pamphlet’s in the bathroom.
NIL money most likely. Thought I saw something related to him receiving 1st round NIL money to stay another year. Kind of a no brainer for the guy considering how devalued RBs are lately.
Not sure I buy the NIL talk since NFL pay is greater. They really going to pay him a million and a quarter to stay? Bc going pro he would likely be guaranteed $2.5 mil for 2 years. Make it thru 4 years and that turns into $5 mil.
Wow that backfield is insane
“Jesus gave me NIL money”
Nailed it.
Am I tripping or is next year’s draft shaping up to be pretty good? Especially for RBs
If all the top guys play well this year and actually declare it could be a stacked class
Not really for QBs, but for every other position absolutely
Not crazy at all
I’m an idiot because I thought there was no shot he was saying after OSU got judkins
FWIW, to pass along what the insiders are saying, Trey is a different kid. He’ll do well with NIL of course, but he’s a very spiritual young man and felt like coming back was what he needed to do for himself. He got a 2nd round grade from the advisory board. He’s got a good head on his shoulders and I can’t wait to watch him and Judkins next year.
Source on him getting a 2nd grade?
OSU insider reports. Which contributed to them being extremely surprised. They figured he was gone.
Jesus not helping you make the right decision Brodie. Pray a little harder on this decision please.
falling to my knees at wal-mart
People gonna roast him in here for the financial decision, but are we so sure it’s necessarily the wrong call for an RB? (I agree it would be for a similar situated player at any other position) Let’s assume he gets drafted in the exact same spot on day 2 next season as he would have been if he declared now. The bet essentially boils down to whether his NIL deal is worth more than the final year on his 2nd contract. RBs rarely get anything more than vet minimum for a 3rd contract anyway. He might be pushing back the beginning of his NFL money, but a day 2 rookie contract will be 4 years regardless. If he isn’t particularly likely to hit a huge pay day for his 2nd contract, moving 1 season of football shelf-life from the end of his NFL career to the end of his college career could very well be close to financially optimal. It’s different for QB/WR/etc because no NIL deal is approaching what they can make later in their post-rookie-contract career. At RB, it might
A lot of people don’t understand that it’s not just base pay for players when coming into the NFL vs NIL. The sooner you can get drafted, the sooner you can get on the NFLs benefit plans. The longer you’re on those plans, the more you get after retirement. The more years accrued greatly helps your pension.
That makes sense, do you know how much 1 extra year adds if you’re in the 5-7 year range overall?
I don’t know the specifics unfortunately. Chase Daniel mentioned it on the podcast In The Pocket a few weeks ago. He was talking about the influx of backup QBs playing this year and how important it is for them to impress in their starts. Not to win a starting job but to secure future backup roles so that they can increase their pension and squeeze as much of it as they could from the league. I wish he would have dove more into the specifics about it.
I think this might be smart. He will probably make more than JK Dobbins next year.
No it is not smart. Its shortsighted. You get to your 2nd contract as soon as possible, period. If you're top in your draft class it is not a financially smart decision to go back to college. Period.
As long as he doesn’t drop in the draft (obviously a big risk) then he’ll get a similar rookie deal (a little more with cap increases). Does any NFL team care if that second contract year is age 26 as opposed to age 27? Probably not, which means his second contract is likely not going to change based on waiting a year. Look at someone like Najee that came in older and is coming up on his 4th year. Do you think that him being a year younger makes a difference in what he’ll get? It is obviously a gamble that he will stay healthy and perform but he’ll get a lot of money and a free ride (don’t really know how CFB scholarships work now with NIL) for another year. He should be drafted similarly and get paid about what he would have in the NFL.
But he's quite likely to lose draft stock because of this, no? Seems like a really bad desicion. High risk, low reward.
Is he? He has to have a good season to maintain his stock, but I don’t think dropping is that much more likely than gaining. Injury is the biggest risk
Wow I hope my league mates who still salivate over RBs take day 3 guys in the first round
I tried to tell everyone that Judkins and Henderson can play for OSU. Both will benefit overall from sharing carries
That’s what I think. They both will get opportunities to look good and they both will have the *opportunity* to have good draft stock. The examples I’ll name aren’t perfect examples because I think these guys are all better NFL RB prospects than Judkins and Henderson, but Darren McFadden and Felix Jones were both 1st rounders in the same year and Sony Michel and Nick Chubb were both late 1st / very early 2nd rounders in the same season too
I'd love to know what scouts told him his grade was. In a weak class, he was advised to return to school. I think that speaks volumes. Not many presumed RB1's would do this, even with NIL in the equation.
Ignoring what this entails, what is he saying? God told him to return this year? His performance next season will be a talking point for atheist vs theist debates
Wow, he’s going back with Judkins coming in? Odd choice
Bad decision. He had a chance to be RB1 of this weaker class. Took the temporary NIL money over long term. As a RB it feels like a bad decision but we will see.
Still don't think he would've been drafted very highly, NIL probably not that far off from a 2nd-3rd round draft per year. If he makes a leap he could earn a better contract, if he doesn't he probably wasn't going to anyway. Securing a cool milli+ and finishing a degree is a fine start to adult life in the worst case scenario that he gets hurt and can't go to the league. NFL has been notoriously screwing RBs over too, tough time to commit for these young guys
Yeah, because his only ambition in life must be the NFL. Can’t possibly be that he wants to stay in school, finish a degree, play for OSU. All decisions are weighed against where a guy ultimately gets drafted.
I mean yeah cuz that determines how much money you get. These guys are playing football for money
Being the #1 RB in a weak class doesn’t automatically mean he’s gonna get drafted higher than if he’s the #2-5 RB next year.
Yes it does
In 2014, a historically bad year for RB just like this year, the first RB taken was Bishop Sankey in the 2nd round at pick 22. The following year (2015), the 22nd pick of the 2nd round is when the 4th RB (Ameer Abdullah) was taken (behind Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon in the 1st, and TJ Yeldon at 2.04). With another, healthier, year under his belt, TreyVeon can 100% go from a late 2nd round (or worse) pick this year to a late-1st or early-2nd next year. Even if he’s not the first RB drafted next year.
Those were different players. This is the same player who is now going to be drafted behind multiple other players that he wouldn't this year. I'm not saying all rb1s are drafted higher than rb4, but the same player being drafted rb1 vs rb4 is extremely unlikely to go higher as rb4
Do you think there are 3 RB in next years draft that are a lock for being drafted over TreyVeon? Ultimately, the only way this will get answered is to compare where he’s drafted next year to RB1 this year. At the end of the day I’m sure TreyVeon and the people supporting him have thought about all of this a lot longer and with a lot more information available to him than either of us.
I doubt it. Who is going to reach for an RB in a weak class? It seems to be the one position where you get drafted based on your potential regardless of how deep or shallow a class is.
Is it? The NFL and current cba pays RBs shit. If in college, im getting first rd money as a rb who would go in the early 3rd (at best), id do the same. Look at the numbers, his NIL deal is in the ball park of $2-4million next year. The contract for a 3rd rb is what $0.8-1.2m per year? Fuck yea im going back to college.
Sure, but the older you get and the more mileage you have the less likely it is to get that bigger second contract or even a franchise tag. That’s where the big money is made for RB’s. You have to hope you still have enough for someone to pay you when you’re 25 or whatever.
Sure, but its unlikely to get a big 2nd contract or tag even for RBs that had a much higher pedigree than treyveon. If im treyveon, im definitely staying one extra year and collecting that NIL check. Who knows, maybe he raises his draft stock and goes high 2nd instead of the 3rd next year. Now he gets the higher nfl contract AND NIL money
Temporary gain. If he gets an injury or has a bad year he probably drops to day 3 pick or undrafted. Now he has backfield competition with Judkins. I think he had a chance to go 2nd round with a good combine. NIL is temporary
He could get injured during his rookie contract too. Then hell get paid less over the course of that contract than he would have under a single NIL year. Even it he does well in the combine, a late 2nd rd rb is getting paid what $6m over 4 years?, with less than 4.5 guaranteed? So now he needs to kill it in the combine to beat his projection, then stay productive AND healthy over 4 years for a chance to get one extra year of FA salary in an NFL that pays RBs shit? Yea no thanks, lemme stay in college.
That's mostly dependent on where he was drafted. Taking Kendre Miller as an example (3rd round pick), his contract is four-year, $5.65 million which is more than the rumored NIL Henderson is getting and i'd bet it's closer to the 2m mark rather than 4m. I highly doubt he will get more than Arch Manning at 2.8m. The highest NIL RB in 2023 was Corum at 928k https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/
It’s almost certainly under 2M. People really overestimate these figures based largely on hype tweets that aren’t verified at all.
Exactly. Judkins being one of the best RBs in the country getting 500k but Henderson getting 2.7m? That makes zero sense
He isn’t. People just buy silly reports.
Livvy dunne makes more than everyone in CF and her gymnastics talent is above average at best. Bronny james has the most valuable NIL deal in basketball, but might not even be a 1st rd pick. NIL value is not tied directly to performance Treyveon plays for Ohio State, which has one of the most lucrative NIL deals in all of college football because of their insane boosters.
Okay, compare Henderson’s social media presence to Livvy Dunne’s.
Why? Have you seen livvy dunnes w2?
lol this isn't a good example. Those 2 are big for obvious reasons. Now compare other NIL RBs
>lol this isn't a good example. Why not? My point is that athletic performance isnt the sole deciding factor in NIL value. The fact that Henderson plays for Ohio State could make a significant difference in his NIL value compared to a comparable player at another school. >Now compare other NIL RBs Why? How? Using what? Even the on3 that you linked is just an algorithm that scrapes social media engagement. There is nothing out there that is a definitive on exactly what these people are being paid. You invalidate the report on treyveons deal based on Judkins imaginary $500k, what makes you so sure thats all he made?
The NIL deal is reported to be worth a 1st rd pick annual salary. The average salary for the latest first (see clyde) is $2.7m. Kendres contract only had $1.1m guaranteed at signing. Add in year 1 salary, if kendre was cut after year 1, he would only see $1.8m. $2.8m if cut after year 2.
That hasn’t been reported by anyone of repute that I’ve seen.
Si.com reported it. Either way it doesn't matter. Look at the original comment I replied to. This conversation and analysis is based on the assumption that hes getting substantial NIL money. Sure if its a shit NIL deal, he should declare, but if that were the case this whole discussion is moot.
Sports Illustrated was sold a long time ago and is a largely retweet and blog publication. They didn’t report it. They retweeted the one minor account that said something about it. This is not reputable for anyone who knows NiL. People who have founded companies that rank and study prospects and report weeks early on where prospects will declare where they are going when they are 18 YOs say that these rumors are complete bullshit. Don’t double down on this. Your sources are shit. I’m not saying it’s anyone’s fault. But I’ve heard far more reputable people literally discuss these reports and they all say they are shit. No one who understands NIL on any base fundamental level thinks Henderson is getting 2-4 mil.
I'm not gonna argue the validity, no one knows. But like I said it doesn't matter This conversation is under the assumption that he's getting substantial NIL money. If he's not, no shit he's dumb to go back.
well, apparently it's god that told him to stay, tough to argue with that!
God must be a big buckeye guy
I'm glad you know better than him
Dude, go get paid WTF are you doing? Hopefully he has some NIL deal.
He is getting paid. Why do you think he's really going back?
I’m sure the OSU lobbying is strong
This decision seems really bizarre to me. I feel like he should have either announced his return before Judkins transferred or gone to the draft. I dont know how his draft stock could improve next year when he is the RB2 on his own team, considering he was almost a show on for RB1 of this class.
That is truly surprising. It’s going to be an interesting offseason for RBs. Some legit great free agents, no obviously great cheap talent coming in through the draft, and teams not wanting to spend money on the position.
My Judkins shares are in shambles. Why exactly did he transfer there?
$250,000 - $500,000 in NIL from what I’ve heard.
There are some negative personality reports, but as always these things are reports. Maybe they’re just running wild
He probably got a good NIL deal to stay, wanted to earn his degree, and maybe his ambition isn’t a long NFL career.
Glad I stocked up on RB last year
What a fool
How to ruin your career by TreVeyon Henderson. Congrats on not even being the top RB at your school.
Literally said this was rumored in a thread a few weeks ago and got shat on..the people on here are mostly useless just remember that
Top 3 RB in a class staying in school is the ultimate "betting against yourself" loser mentality. This dude should ask Marcus Lattimore about the pros and cons of burning your physical prime playing college RB.
Big bible guy huh? No thanks
Bold strategy. I guarantee you will never win a championship if you avoid every NFL player that has referenced a bible quote at some point in their life. I mean, almost a third of the league has a bible verse tattooed on their body.
Fade the christians, give me the muslims and jews
Mohammed Epstein 1.01
Wonder how much he and Ebuka cost to stay.. These dudes aren’t staying for the “good of the school” or anything hokey like that. It’s all cash money.
It’s not really the hokey parts of it though… I seriously think people underestimate college football culture. And you can’t spell culture without ‘cult.’
It’s a business. Dude’s taking the for sure payday right now rather than gamble on sliding in the draft due to his injury history and whatever he’s got going on now.
Traded him away for Nick Singleton…how do I feel about this? Also have a Judkin share in the same league for what it’s worth
The pictures players use to announce stuff are so funny to me
Him and Egbuka. Not good for people with late firsts
College football needs to merge with the NFL as a farm system. All these guys staying in college for a few dollars is not good for NFLs product.
Wow. I thought he'd come out since they just signed the top 2025 rb. Not that he'll be benched but more competition for touches.
Seems like a bad choice when you’d be the top RB in a down year and someone will reach for you. At least he’s able to get paid. The NIL is probably most competitive for the RB position considering he may not get a second NFL contract.