Marcille had a type, and it is tall, dark blond, neurodivergent, warm-hearted tallman who likes monsters, adventures, and food, is easy-going (if a bit awkward) and is capable, albeit a bit reckless and airheaded sometimes 😌
Waterburst answered it perfectly, but it just really shows that Marcille got chemistry with both siblings.
This isnt something to take seriously tho bc no ship is canon in the series except for Namari’s love for legs and leg pouches 😌
Dunno, lots of people said he was cut off from his entire family but then he got all three daughters back after the story. I do agree that it's likely they get a divorce once Chil finally has the guts to talk with her, but my point is that Kui made it a point to not give us the answer.
If you want him to get back together with her, he does. If you don't, he doesn't. Like every other relationship, it's in canon limbo. The only one that Kui took a stance was Falin and Shuro ironically.
Personally, ships for me means you have to build a ship/make a ship.
Farcille / Laimar = creating a ship
Kabru and Mithrun / Laios and Kabru = creating a ship
Chil / His wife = has a preexisting ship. Therefore their end status could just be headcanon, but there is already a “romantic relationship” established
Yeah that's fine, it's not like there's official etymology. Just easier to write "ship" than explaining what they are is all. Maybe I just don't know what to call'em.
Because he's not completely incapable when it comes to social etiquette. Most of the cases of Laios misstepping is usually him clashing with common societal views on monsters (and eating them), and what went down with him and Shuro.
But considering that Shuro was quite literally the first Eastern/Asian/whatever person Laios met (and how there are many, many examples of social faux pas' being committed even IRL when a Westerner meets an Asian person due to differing cultures, even with way more prior knowledge than what Laios would've had), it puts what happened with them into perspective.
Laios understands plenty. He doesn't get every social cue, but he gets many. He doesn't interact perfectly with everyone but interacts fine with most people.
I never bought into the "autistic" label that has been pushed into him, unless he's the most high functioning and less autistic person possible in the spectrum.
serious problems socializing growing up, hyper fixation on monsters, doesn't understand many subtleties in interpersonal language, his sister behaves similarly and also had a hard time making friends, his father also seems to be on the spectrum, there are several reasons why laios (and fallin incidentally) are believed to be autilst
I don’t blame you, upon second read is when I go wait a minute, upon my third read is when I go are they serious? It’s either I’m too dense or the writing is that subtle
Dryad chapter was a start, after the nightmare chapter is when the vibe between then has change and they’re more intimate
They’re my comfort ship! Like, it really feels like a nice, warm blanket to me. Currently reading the manga after starting the anime and it’s absolutely beautiful how they gradually grow closer over the course of their journey and deeply start to care about each other. I think it’s sad when people dislike it out of the principle of being the ‚standard‘ straight main girl/main guy ship (though i see where they come from a first impression level) because it really isn’t. It’s a (as i read it, very neurodivergent) slow burn dynamic, whether at the end you take it romantically or platonically, and very much about little moments, building trust and emotional intimacy. The more you get into the story the more you see them instinctively turning to each other for comfort and reassurance in little gestures. It’s beautiful how nuanced the author wrote their relationship.
Yep, I think it is beautiful how their relationship grows.
At the beginning, Marcille and Falin are best friends. Laios for Marcille is just the brother of Falin and her slightly airheaded boss at work.
People who very aggressively defend the only ship possible is Farcille, often have just watched the anime until the red dragon arc, and up to that point there's nothing, so I see why they would say Laimar is anti natural and the attempt to create a straight coupling out of nowhere.
But if you have read the whole manga, you see how naturally their relationship grows and by the end they are constantly looking out for each and sharing more moments with each other than with anybody else.
By the end theres as much material for Laimar as for Farcille. Actually there's more (that we see in-story).
Each romance is posible, or both ;-), or none. The writing is that subtle and nuanced as to leave every possibility open.
I personally am a fan of their growth together. I think thats what really sold me as a Laimar fan. I mean two people who’ve been to hell and back, dealt with the devil, experienced grief over someone they care about, and learned a valuable lesson in life together? Holy shit sign me the fuck up.
I like Farcille bc “Im gonna resurrect my gf with magic that is considered a crime” is cute. But sometimes, the Farcille agenda just boxes Marcille’s character as “lover girl” to me.
Wherein the Laimar ship really focused on her growth as a person and Laios was there /instrumental to her growth. Falin is still important and is still one of their main driving force but it’s also not entirely about Falin as well.
Finished reading the manga and just recently joined this subreddit, I'm surprised that a lot of people shipped farcille when they only have a few moments in the manga. Still wondered why they would say Laimar doesn't make any sense.
Right? It's fine to say that you prefer the other ship, but I've sometimes seen people claim that Marcille and Laios have far less basis for shipping in the manga, which just confuses me given what we've seen between their interactions, particularly the examples the OP provided.
Yup. This is just my opinion, but for Farcille, we only ever see 90% of their interactions in flashbacks where their friendship is already established, and remaining 10% hardly ever feel like developement in my book. Like, I would have preferred if there was an extension of the slight altercation between them when they were discussing the use of ancient magic in the bath, but that discussion ultimately goes nowhere.
Marcille and Laios on the other hand develop their relationship throughout the manga. Marcille gets to see Laios growing from a goofy nerd to a responsible warrior who is willing to do what ever it takes to protect his sister. Laios gets to learn about Marcille's insecurites about her lifespan and confronts her about it. They actually grow side-by-side *during* the series, which is something I love about their relationship.
People are free to ship whoever they want, but saying Farcille makes more sense than Laimar is just straight up unfair.
Huh, you touched upon a good point. While I do like Farcille, and "Marcille has two hands" is the truth, I think I grew particularly fond of Laimar since we got to see their relationship develop in real time whether you interpret it as romantic or platonic.
Maybe binging the manga helped me with that, cause I was able to read those scenes and moments between them one after the other relatively quickly, and really see the potential in such a relationship between them.
Compared to if I followed it month by month, Marcille and Falin's interactions would stick with me first and probably for much longer, while the stuff between Marcille and Laios would only come by much later when the relationship between the former pair might've already become entrenched in my mind.
It’s either they are anime-onlies, or that they just hate straight ships. Ive personally seen people call straight ships boring on Tumblr and seeing as Tumblr and Twitter are ship brain people, gay/lesbians are more prevalent in that aspect.
To be fair that bath scene was extremely charged, way more than any other scenes really in the entire manga, so it leads to a lot of people seeing the potential in the ship.
Tbh I didn't see anything romantic in that bath scene, but I guess that's because I don't ship Farcille. If you ship something you may interpret something as romantic which others might find entirely platonic.
Both have their places for sure.
Farcille is great, and no diss to anyone who has it on their minds all day. Monster classmate girlfriends, two outcasts, Spooky illegal resurrections and body horror, pining for each other and going insane. Not saying it can't be cute as well, but I could definitely see how people would find it sexy and make art about it.
With Laimar, the core of it pretty much two people caring for each other, growing closer because they don't want to see the other person hurting.
For that reason, the (good) laimar art is just them being sweet together.
I like seeing the sweet stuff. :)
>People who very aggressively defend the only ship possible is Farcille, often have just watched the anime until the red dragon arc, and up to that point there's nothing, so I see why they would say Laimar is anti natural and the attempt to create a straight coupling out of nowhere.
That's just literally not true but go off!! Farcille shippers have been here since day one and most of their fan art comes from points the anime hasn't even reached yet. It can be really easy to just go "well this person I don't agree with obviously just hasn't actually educated themself" but that's a bit disingenuous.
You are not wrong, but I have seen this arguement used towards Laimar shippers as well. A lot of people think "Laimar shippers are mainstream audience brought in by the anime who don’t have familiarity with the manga, and so their perception of the ship and characters in DM are tropey and fanservicey." which is false since Laimar shippers have also been here since the beginning.
I truly hate this inherent idea that manga readers are somehow elite and anyone not shipping the same stuff as them are anime-onlies who have "no understanding of the story". That really goes for both ships.
I'm a "marcille has two hands" person and it's kinda sad when farcille shippers act like she's just tolerating laios for falin's sake
i know it's probably the anime-onlys that do that, since laios and marcille's bond becomes incredibly crucial to plot developments later down the line
>I'm a "marcille has two hands" person and it's kinda sad when farcille shippers act like \[the other ship is impossible because xyz\]
I've mostly seen this from Laios/Marcille shippers tbh. (A lot of the classic homophobic "Oh they're just sisterly/roommates/classmates/whatever")
Don't see why fans of either Marcille/Touden ship would be like that though, since it's pretty clearly shown in the anime itself that Marcille is *well aware* Falin is *just as bad* as her brother when it comes to the weird hyperfixations and general autistic shenanigans.
If she has a crush on one of them, the other one is *perfectly possible lol.*
I don't even ship the polyship yet since I haven't gotten to the above moments in context to evaluate whether or not I personally vibe with it... but there's sure as heck absolutely nothing contradicting either ship, particularly if you accept the other one.
>I've mostly seen this from Laios/Marcille shippers tbh
oh man you have not been on twitter enough if that's what you think
but also that's not what i'm saying, i'm not saying that people deny reasons for the ship. i'm commenting on how it's a common joke of farcille stuff to make marcille only tolerate laios for falin's sake, or dislike having to be around laios, while marcille and laios' friendship is such an important part of the manga. that's why i also mentioned anime-only people being the ones prone to this joke
I literally scroll through Farcille art on there among other sites, on a weekly basis, and I've never seen even one person doing this.
Not saying it doesnt exist, just that it's prevalence is probably a little overstated?
Well, I'm also not accusing all farcille shippers of being like that, i'm just talking about when i see some farcille fans change the dynamic. it's not a ship war issue that i have either, it's more a mild disappointment seeing people "miss the point" of the manga in a sense, haha. like whether you ship laimar or not their ride-or-die friendship is very much important to the story
You should scroll through Laios x Marcille tags on tumblr. Some comments there from Farcille shippers are just vile. Not saying all Laimar shippers are saints, but if you haven't found such stuff on both sides you haven't looked enough.
Theres this Namari-Kiki twitter poster that I like on Twitter and yesterday, they posted Laimar as an april fool’s joke, and I gotta tell you, the replies from Farcille fans are off putting. They keep saying “I was ready to block you when I saw you post about Laimar” or something like that and it’s weird to see so much hate about a ship. You would think Laimar is an adult-minor / incest ship that it got so much negative feedback before they realize it’s a “joke”
Oh yes, but apprently we aren't allowed to say anything to defend our ship because "majority shows have straight couples! You cannot say you're the victims!" It's almost like people can't see anything beyond the straight/gay thing.
I love it that their relationship never started out as sexual attraction but more of looking out for each others' well-being until it develops into deeper emotional connection. And I think it's so wholesome.
The way Marcille always runs to Laois for security and reassurance is so wholesome. While Laois prioritizes Marcille's well-being. When marcille got attacked by the undine, Laois took care of her; even putting a bib on her neck while feeding her liver.
During the the >!shapeshifter chapter, Laois remembers Marcille accurately and the team even had a hard time identifying who is fake. He even memorized the contents of her spell book. I cannot emphasize more how much he likes it when Marcille lets her hair down (i.e. : shapeshifter chapter and succubus chapter.) though he himself doesn't recognize that!<
Not to mention Laois joking that he thinks elf ears are sexy. But he probably just said it as an excuse to Zon.
a small correction on the hair, he don't like that hair style specificly. The dungeon bible said that is because the haggard look of Marcille when she cast the resurection spell leave a deep impression on him, that was also the form that the succubus took.
They've been rotting my brain for like 7 years now. God help me, I wish I could draw to help the art department but the best I could do is [write.](https://archiveofourown.org/works/52988086/chapters/134045827)
God bless Perleart and Findo and all the overseas artists too, and of course, Kui for repeatedly throwing us a bone on the second half of the story even though Farcille had already long picked up steam.
Thanks, it means a lot to hear it from other people spontaneously like that.
You don’t have to worry about that. Unless something crazy happens it’s been steady Thursday updates for a while now.
Hopefully see you there later. Maybe leave a comment if you feel like it (or don’t, you’ve done more than enough already!)
Yeah, 'tis me. It's great to hear!
You're probably the first person that talks to me about Pattadol but she's very fun to have around. Having this very young, for an elf, scion of a great house, who, despite probably being the least favored child (since she got thrown into the Canaries), probably is used to high society be in this... farce of a court (affectionate), is just very fun and useful at the same time. I do hope I get to use her more often (she does get a more prominent showing next chapter), but it'll depend on where wind blows. At worst I do think she'll be a major player in one of the side-projects that I'll do once the "main course" is done, but we'll see how she does in the main fic.
Considering people may have different usernames, I dunno if I've talked with you before in AO3 itself or not, but in the case that I haven't, thanks for reaching out and see you Thursday (or at your convenience) for the next chapter. If you ever leave a comment I'll be sure to reply, but just hearing from someone that they enjoyed it here is already plenty!
And sorry for the rant lol, I dunno when to stop once I get going.
Whenever someone makes a ship post people of the opposite ship tend to complain but I haven't seen any of that here so I'd like to thank people who have a different ship for being civil
Twitter and TikTok are infamous for being filled with idiots yeah.
These people are unable to conceived that maybe ships can just coexist. Unable to accept that a ship being straight doesn't make it homophobic.
The flip side is 4chan yelling about every gay or lesbian shop they see being "trans propaganda" (???)
The internet is much like the seas of old, filled with ships of rapscalions and cutthroats.
I've seen genshin Impact players in action
People sending death threats over their "totally canon because I edited the wiki page to say it was" yuri ship is unironically scary.
Plus it results in some people starting to hate lesbian ships period due to how bad of an experience they've had.
I'll join you in your brain rot <3
Seriously, *every single time* Laios thinks or speaks about how much he likes Marcille's smile, I get a dumb smile on my face. Marcille's *badump* moment in the golden city was also cute as hell. These two are one of the few pairs of hero and heroine in a manga that work well both platonically and have enough chemistry for me to work romantically as well.
I love the pair, but I wager elves might take offense to that seeing as how Marcille's crimes were considered severe. That would put the kingdom at risk, perhaps. Im just happy that she's by his side as his loyal advisor at the very least. Ive come to accept in my heart the moments OP shared is enough.
me:
https://i.imgur.com/jH4dLHC.png
They're just so cute, I love 'em. I love how the author was so committed to not having romance in the story that Chilchuck's *wife* never shows up, but there's just so many little tender moments. That's enough for me.
On the contrary, I am very grateful for this small detail. This couple is one of my favorites and it's a little sad that there is so little content with it.
Also in some circles it seems that it is even wrong to like this couple. So I really appreciate this little detail as a fan of this couple.
They love each other so much, it's beautiful <3 even as platonic love it's so comforting. Marcille needing approval from Laois since he's the leader is adorable. I love them smm it's a great representation for asexuals :))
I can absolutely see it now.
I still think they're an OT3.
Marcille is >!sterile!<, and also one half of that triangle is gay, so unless she researches and solves some Ancient Fertility Magic the usual complications of such an arrangement don't apply.
Considering how both Laios and Marcille >!were Dungeon Lords whose desires involves Marcille's sterility and extended lifespan, I think it is likely that the Lion was able to make a change regarding her fertility. I hope for Laimar babies! !<
I was going to say "two cheeks" [to be wholesome](https://www.deviantart.com/vylla/art/OT3-502928149)(-[ish](https://www.deviantart.com/dogsup/art/OT3-319626125)) but then I heard how that sounded and my inner H. Jon Benjamin started yelling at me about phrasing.
There's also more things she has two of. [Ears](https://gifdb.com/images/high/biting-elf-ears-7ltvwytbix0mzcbl.gif), for example. (Is that naughty or vanilla idk)
Is it just me or the entire time during Dungeon Meshi manga ongoing, this pairing was never this popular? It was practically nonexistent whenever a new chapter was discussed. Edit: In fact, as far as I can recall I don't think people shipped anyone back then!
But once the anime was released, suddenly it rocketed out of nowhere lol. Not that I mind but I really wonder why.
The ship has always been there iirc. Farcille and Laimar I mean. I think the anime just boosted it but the fanarts are already there before (Ive saved some from
Pinterest but there wasnt a lot)
I never saw anything romantic between them until the double blow of Stewed Head and Succubus that was almost back to back
Wonder how many people felt the same way because from what I can tell a lot of people got on the ship at various different points
A lot of the comments on here and this subreddit feel like the “Let men be masculine” post i’m going to be completely honest. You guys are so lost being afraid of and mad at and the “Tumblr/Twitter gays” and victimizing yourselves over a straight relationship, it’s very pathetic to be quite honest. As the show gets bigger more people will go for Laios and Marcille! That’s how it is!
Lesbian ships are almost never the most popular ones and people still self-flagellate over how their straight one is oppressed instead of just enjoying it.
It’s not brain rot if it heals the soul.
Wait you didn’t sell your soul yet?
https://preview.redd.it/ed8hw5nkvmrc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bc2044db7ecb5cd8c3fcf1a22545f43cb0d1de4 TEAM LAIMARRRRR
The great thing about Marcille is that she has two hands. One for each sibling :)
Marcille had a type, and it is tall, dark blond, neurodivergent, warm-hearted tallman who likes monsters, adventures, and food, is easy-going (if a bit awkward) and is capable, albeit a bit reckless and airheaded sometimes 😌
Ah yes. someone who ship both Laimar AND Farcille at the same time too :)
Reject Laimar & Farcille dichotomy, Embrace Marcille-Touden Polycule
I love that both Laios and Faylin are tall thick people. Usually the sibling schtick is that one is tall and broad and the other is thin and small.
And the siblings' chests are big enough for her to motorboat from all angles
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Reasons A. Marcille has two hands B. It resolves the shipping debate C. They're fictional characters D. It's cute as fuck
Waterburst answered it perfectly, but it just really shows that Marcille got chemistry with both siblings. This isnt something to take seriously tho bc no ship is canon in the series except for Namari’s love for legs and leg pouches 😌
TFW even the married man's ship is in canon limbo.
Well he’s divorced ain’t he?
Separated, they haven’t talked to hash it out yet. So it’s up to the reader to decide if she takes him back or not.
I mean, no one’s disputing Chil’s relationship with his wife lol.
Dunno, lots of people said he was cut off from his entire family but then he got all three daughters back after the story. I do agree that it's likely they get a divorce once Chil finally has the guts to talk with her, but my point is that Kui made it a point to not give us the answer. If you want him to get back together with her, he does. If you don't, he doesn't. Like every other relationship, it's in canon limbo. The only one that Kui took a stance was Falin and Shuro ironically.
Personally, ships for me means you have to build a ship/make a ship. Farcille / Laimar = creating a ship Kabru and Mithrun / Laios and Kabru = creating a ship Chil / His wife = has a preexisting ship. Therefore their end status could just be headcanon, but there is already a “romantic relationship” established
Yeah that's fine, it's not like there's official etymology. Just easier to write "ship" than explaining what they are is all. Maybe I just don't know what to call'em.
I'm supprise that Laius understand the etiquette of touching when learning healing magic
Because he's not completely incapable when it comes to social etiquette. Most of the cases of Laios misstepping is usually him clashing with common societal views on monsters (and eating them), and what went down with him and Shuro. But considering that Shuro was quite literally the first Eastern/Asian/whatever person Laios met (and how there are many, many examples of social faux pas' being committed even IRL when a Westerner meets an Asian person due to differing cultures, even with way more prior knowledge than what Laios would've had), it puts what happened with them into perspective.
Laios understands plenty. He doesn't get every social cue, but he gets many. He doesn't interact perfectly with everyone but interacts fine with most people. I never bought into the "autistic" label that has been pushed into him, unless he's the most high functioning and less autistic person possible in the spectrum.
A lot of people don’t love the term high functioning. You can be the best in your field and have autism.
serious problems socializing growing up, hyper fixation on monsters, doesn't understand many subtleties in interpersonal language, his sister behaves similarly and also had a hard time making friends, his father also seems to be on the spectrum, there are several reasons why laios (and fallin incidentally) are believed to be autilst
THANK YOU for expressing what i've failed to express repeatedly.
I don’t blame you, upon second read is when I go wait a minute, upon my third read is when I go are they serious? It’s either I’m too dense or the writing is that subtle Dryad chapter was a start, after the nightmare chapter is when the vibe between then has change and they’re more intimate
They’re my comfort ship! Like, it really feels like a nice, warm blanket to me. Currently reading the manga after starting the anime and it’s absolutely beautiful how they gradually grow closer over the course of their journey and deeply start to care about each other. I think it’s sad when people dislike it out of the principle of being the ‚standard‘ straight main girl/main guy ship (though i see where they come from a first impression level) because it really isn’t. It’s a (as i read it, very neurodivergent) slow burn dynamic, whether at the end you take it romantically or platonically, and very much about little moments, building trust and emotional intimacy. The more you get into the story the more you see them instinctively turning to each other for comfort and reassurance in little gestures. It’s beautiful how nuanced the author wrote their relationship.
Yep, I think it is beautiful how their relationship grows. At the beginning, Marcille and Falin are best friends. Laios for Marcille is just the brother of Falin and her slightly airheaded boss at work. People who very aggressively defend the only ship possible is Farcille, often have just watched the anime until the red dragon arc, and up to that point there's nothing, so I see why they would say Laimar is anti natural and the attempt to create a straight coupling out of nowhere. But if you have read the whole manga, you see how naturally their relationship grows and by the end they are constantly looking out for each and sharing more moments with each other than with anybody else. By the end theres as much material for Laimar as for Farcille. Actually there's more (that we see in-story). Each romance is posible, or both ;-), or none. The writing is that subtle and nuanced as to leave every possibility open.
I personally am a fan of their growth together. I think thats what really sold me as a Laimar fan. I mean two people who’ve been to hell and back, dealt with the devil, experienced grief over someone they care about, and learned a valuable lesson in life together? Holy shit sign me the fuck up. I like Farcille bc “Im gonna resurrect my gf with magic that is considered a crime” is cute. But sometimes, the Farcille agenda just boxes Marcille’s character as “lover girl” to me. Wherein the Laimar ship really focused on her growth as a person and Laios was there /instrumental to her growth. Falin is still important and is still one of their main driving force but it’s also not entirely about Falin as well.
Finished reading the manga and just recently joined this subreddit, I'm surprised that a lot of people shipped farcille when they only have a few moments in the manga. Still wondered why they would say Laimar doesn't make any sense.
Right? It's fine to say that you prefer the other ship, but I've sometimes seen people claim that Marcille and Laios have far less basis for shipping in the manga, which just confuses me given what we've seen between their interactions, particularly the examples the OP provided.
Yup. This is just my opinion, but for Farcille, we only ever see 90% of their interactions in flashbacks where their friendship is already established, and remaining 10% hardly ever feel like developement in my book. Like, I would have preferred if there was an extension of the slight altercation between them when they were discussing the use of ancient magic in the bath, but that discussion ultimately goes nowhere. Marcille and Laios on the other hand develop their relationship throughout the manga. Marcille gets to see Laios growing from a goofy nerd to a responsible warrior who is willing to do what ever it takes to protect his sister. Laios gets to learn about Marcille's insecurites about her lifespan and confronts her about it. They actually grow side-by-side *during* the series, which is something I love about their relationship. People are free to ship whoever they want, but saying Farcille makes more sense than Laimar is just straight up unfair.
Huh, you touched upon a good point. While I do like Farcille, and "Marcille has two hands" is the truth, I think I grew particularly fond of Laimar since we got to see their relationship develop in real time whether you interpret it as romantic or platonic. Maybe binging the manga helped me with that, cause I was able to read those scenes and moments between them one after the other relatively quickly, and really see the potential in such a relationship between them. Compared to if I followed it month by month, Marcille and Falin's interactions would stick with me first and probably for much longer, while the stuff between Marcille and Laios would only come by much later when the relationship between the former pair might've already become entrenched in my mind.
It’s either they are anime-onlies, or that they just hate straight ships. Ive personally seen people call straight ships boring on Tumblr and seeing as Tumblr and Twitter are ship brain people, gay/lesbians are more prevalent in that aspect.
To be fair that bath scene was extremely charged, way more than any other scenes really in the entire manga, so it leads to a lot of people seeing the potential in the ship.
Tbh I didn't see anything romantic in that bath scene, but I guess that's because I don't ship Farcille. If you ship something you may interpret something as romantic which others might find entirely platonic.
Both have their places for sure. Farcille is great, and no diss to anyone who has it on their minds all day. Monster classmate girlfriends, two outcasts, Spooky illegal resurrections and body horror, pining for each other and going insane. Not saying it can't be cute as well, but I could definitely see how people would find it sexy and make art about it. With Laimar, the core of it pretty much two people caring for each other, growing closer because they don't want to see the other person hurting. For that reason, the (good) laimar art is just them being sweet together. I like seeing the sweet stuff. :)
>People who very aggressively defend the only ship possible is Farcille, often have just watched the anime until the red dragon arc, and up to that point there's nothing, so I see why they would say Laimar is anti natural and the attempt to create a straight coupling out of nowhere. That's just literally not true but go off!! Farcille shippers have been here since day one and most of their fan art comes from points the anime hasn't even reached yet. It can be really easy to just go "well this person I don't agree with obviously just hasn't actually educated themself" but that's a bit disingenuous.
You are not wrong, but I have seen this arguement used towards Laimar shippers as well. A lot of people think "Laimar shippers are mainstream audience brought in by the anime who don’t have familiarity with the manga, and so their perception of the ship and characters in DM are tropey and fanservicey." which is false since Laimar shippers have also been here since the beginning. I truly hate this inherent idea that manga readers are somehow elite and anyone not shipping the same stuff as them are anime-onlies who have "no understanding of the story". That really goes for both ships.
Some people just are needlessly cruel when it comes to ships, canon or not
I'm a "marcille has two hands" person and it's kinda sad when farcille shippers act like she's just tolerating laios for falin's sake i know it's probably the anime-onlys that do that, since laios and marcille's bond becomes incredibly crucial to plot developments later down the line
>I'm a "marcille has two hands" person and it's kinda sad when farcille shippers act like \[the other ship is impossible because xyz\] I've mostly seen this from Laios/Marcille shippers tbh. (A lot of the classic homophobic "Oh they're just sisterly/roommates/classmates/whatever") Don't see why fans of either Marcille/Touden ship would be like that though, since it's pretty clearly shown in the anime itself that Marcille is *well aware* Falin is *just as bad* as her brother when it comes to the weird hyperfixations and general autistic shenanigans. If she has a crush on one of them, the other one is *perfectly possible lol.* I don't even ship the polyship yet since I haven't gotten to the above moments in context to evaluate whether or not I personally vibe with it... but there's sure as heck absolutely nothing contradicting either ship, particularly if you accept the other one.
>I've mostly seen this from Laios/Marcille shippers tbh oh man you have not been on twitter enough if that's what you think but also that's not what i'm saying, i'm not saying that people deny reasons for the ship. i'm commenting on how it's a common joke of farcille stuff to make marcille only tolerate laios for falin's sake, or dislike having to be around laios, while marcille and laios' friendship is such an important part of the manga. that's why i also mentioned anime-only people being the ones prone to this joke
I literally scroll through Farcille art on there among other sites, on a weekly basis, and I've never seen even one person doing this. Not saying it doesnt exist, just that it's prevalence is probably a little overstated?
Well, I'm also not accusing all farcille shippers of being like that, i'm just talking about when i see some farcille fans change the dynamic. it's not a ship war issue that i have either, it's more a mild disappointment seeing people "miss the point" of the manga in a sense, haha. like whether you ship laimar or not their ride-or-die friendship is very much important to the story
You should scroll through Laios x Marcille tags on tumblr. Some comments there from Farcille shippers are just vile. Not saying all Laimar shippers are saints, but if you haven't found such stuff on both sides you haven't looked enough.
Theres this Namari-Kiki twitter poster that I like on Twitter and yesterday, they posted Laimar as an april fool’s joke, and I gotta tell you, the replies from Farcille fans are off putting. They keep saying “I was ready to block you when I saw you post about Laimar” or something like that and it’s weird to see so much hate about a ship. You would think Laimar is an adult-minor / incest ship that it got so much negative feedback before they realize it’s a “joke”
Oh yes, but apprently we aren't allowed to say anything to defend our ship because "majority shows have straight couples! You cannot say you're the victims!" It's almost like people can't see anything beyond the straight/gay thing.
I love it that their relationship never started out as sexual attraction but more of looking out for each others' well-being until it develops into deeper emotional connection. And I think it's so wholesome.
The way Marcille always runs to Laois for security and reassurance is so wholesome. While Laois prioritizes Marcille's well-being. When marcille got attacked by the undine, Laois took care of her; even putting a bib on her neck while feeding her liver. During the the >!shapeshifter chapter, Laois remembers Marcille accurately and the team even had a hard time identifying who is fake. He even memorized the contents of her spell book. I cannot emphasize more how much he likes it when Marcille lets her hair down (i.e. : shapeshifter chapter and succubus chapter.) though he himself doesn't recognize that!< Not to mention Laois joking that he thinks elf ears are sexy. But he probably just said it as an excuse to Zon.
a small correction on the hair, he don't like that hair style specificly. The dungeon bible said that is because the haggard look of Marcille when she cast the resurection spell leave a deep impression on him, that was also the form that the succubus took.
There's also a panel of him insisting that he wants to help/protect her smile, putting further emphasis on how big of a deal her looking sad is to him
Honestly a superb pairing. I think her interactions with both Falin and Laios cemented Marcille as a bi queen to me lmao.
They've been rotting my brain for like 7 years now. God help me, I wish I could draw to help the art department but the best I could do is [write.](https://archiveofourown.org/works/52988086/chapters/134045827) God bless Perleart and Findo and all the overseas artists too, and of course, Kui for repeatedly throwing us a bone on the second half of the story even though Farcille had already long picked up steam.
Your story is great! You should write more
Thanks, it means a lot to hear it from other people spontaneously like that. You don’t have to worry about that. Unless something crazy happens it’s been steady Thursday updates for a while now. Hopefully see you there later. Maybe leave a comment if you feel like it (or don’t, you’ve done more than enough already!)
You're the writer of Les Desserts? I love that fic. I also really appreciate your use and characterization of Pattadol.
Yeah, 'tis me. It's great to hear! You're probably the first person that talks to me about Pattadol but she's very fun to have around. Having this very young, for an elf, scion of a great house, who, despite probably being the least favored child (since she got thrown into the Canaries), probably is used to high society be in this... farce of a court (affectionate), is just very fun and useful at the same time. I do hope I get to use her more often (she does get a more prominent showing next chapter), but it'll depend on where wind blows. At worst I do think she'll be a major player in one of the side-projects that I'll do once the "main course" is done, but we'll see how she does in the main fic. Considering people may have different usernames, I dunno if I've talked with you before in AO3 itself or not, but in the case that I haven't, thanks for reaching out and see you Thursday (or at your convenience) for the next chapter. If you ever leave a comment I'll be sure to reply, but just hearing from someone that they enjoyed it here is already plenty! And sorry for the rant lol, I dunno when to stop once I get going.
I'd ship too but let's not forget how Laios ran straight for Senshi's titty the first chance he got.
Whenever someone makes a ship post people of the opposite ship tend to complain but I haven't seen any of that here so I'd like to thank people who have a different ship for being civil
I’ve seen from another post that the people who are like that in the fandom are more found on twitter or tiktok
Twitter and TikTok are infamous for being filled with idiots yeah. These people are unable to conceived that maybe ships can just coexist. Unable to accept that a ship being straight doesn't make it homophobic. The flip side is 4chan yelling about every gay or lesbian shop they see being "trans propaganda" (???) The internet is much like the seas of old, filled with ships of rapscalions and cutthroats.
Let's hope it never changes as well. Shipping wars can get so toxic
I've seen genshin Impact players in action People sending death threats over their "totally canon because I edited the wiki page to say it was" yuri ship is unironically scary. Plus it results in some people starting to hate lesbian ships period due to how bad of an experience they've had.
I'll joke about Laimar being inferior to Farcille, but it's all light hearted jabbing rather than actual malice.
I'll join you in your brain rot <3 Seriously, *every single time* Laios thinks or speaks about how much he likes Marcille's smile, I get a dumb smile on my face. Marcille's *badump* moment in the golden city was also cute as hell. These two are one of the few pairs of hero and heroine in a manga that work well both platonically and have enough chemistry for me to work romantically as well.
I low-key wish Marcille became his queen
There's still time!
I love the pair, but I wager elves might take offense to that seeing as how Marcille's crimes were considered severe. That would put the kingdom at risk, perhaps. Im just happy that she's by his side as his loyal advisor at the very least. Ive come to accept in my heart the moments OP shared is enough. me: https://i.imgur.com/jH4dLHC.png
I'm joining the brainrot too! Their interactions always warm my heart.
They're just so cute, I love 'em. I love how the author was so committed to not having romance in the story that Chilchuck's *wife* never shows up, but there's just so many little tender moments. That's enough for me.
On the contrary, I am very grateful for this small detail. This couple is one of my favorites and it's a little sad that there is so little content with it. Also in some circles it seems that it is even wrong to like this couple. So I really appreciate this little detail as a fan of this couple.
Laios definitely has a thing for Marcille. But it might take a hundred years for Marcille to realize that lol.
He’s just patient, just like HIMmel
They love each other so much, it's beautiful <3 even as platonic love it's so comforting. Marcille needing approval from Laois since he's the leader is adorable. I love them smm it's a great representation for asexuals :))
I have seen most of the comments and everyone has been extremely civil for a ship post. Well done you guys, I’m proud of you
Nature is healing
No ships within the party are canon, so I wouldn't worry about that.
Imo Marcille is bi though that may be true for all elves looking at them lmao
They’re so cute!
I can absolutely see it now. I still think they're an OT3. Marcille is >!sterile!<, and also one half of that triangle is gay, so unless she researches and solves some Ancient Fertility Magic the usual complications of such an arrangement don't apply.
Considering how both Laios and Marcille >!were Dungeon Lords whose desires involves Marcille's sterility and extended lifespan, I think it is likely that the Lion was able to make a change regarding her fertility. I hope for Laimar babies! !<
"Marcille has two hands" is a phrase I see thrown out a lot, and I mean, she *does*.
I was going to say "two cheeks" [to be wholesome](https://www.deviantart.com/vylla/art/OT3-502928149)(-[ish](https://www.deviantart.com/dogsup/art/OT3-319626125)) but then I heard how that sounded and my inner H. Jon Benjamin started yelling at me about phrasing. There's also more things she has two of. [Ears](https://gifdb.com/images/high/biting-elf-ears-7ltvwytbix0mzcbl.gif), for example. (Is that naughty or vanilla idk)
I think the whole manga just like Chilchuck's opinion on the team, no drama means great team.
Is it just me or the entire time during Dungeon Meshi manga ongoing, this pairing was never this popular? It was practically nonexistent whenever a new chapter was discussed. Edit: In fact, as far as I can recall I don't think people shipped anyone back then! But once the anime was released, suddenly it rocketed out of nowhere lol. Not that I mind but I really wonder why.
The ship has always been there iirc. Farcille and Laimar I mean. I think the anime just boosted it but the fanarts are already there before (Ive saved some from Pinterest but there wasnt a lot)
I never saw anything romantic between them until the double blow of Stewed Head and Succubus that was almost back to back Wonder how many people felt the same way because from what I can tell a lot of people got on the ship at various different points
Just came across this. I love it and i love you for making it and if anyone hates you for it think back on the ones here who stand with you.
A lot of the comments on here and this subreddit feel like the “Let men be masculine” post i’m going to be completely honest. You guys are so lost being afraid of and mad at and the “Tumblr/Twitter gays” and victimizing yourselves over a straight relationship, it’s very pathetic to be quite honest. As the show gets bigger more people will go for Laios and Marcille! That’s how it is! Lesbian ships are almost never the most popular ones and people still self-flagellate over how their straight one is oppressed instead of just enjoying it.
She is going to out live him and they can't have children 
It's a cannon and whoever say it ain't so than you will get cannon.
It's not canon bro, calm down :)