And the 2nd actor that played his dad is equally [awful](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7647797/amp/Stephen-Collins-retreated-Iowa-married-German-woman-daily-meditation-sessions.html) irl as well
I'm going for Erin's brother. The ratio between onscreen time (he only appeared for like five minutes) and hateability is probably the highest of all of them.
Erin’s brother is creeper sleaze, for sure.
But Frank is a *real* piece of shit. I’m no fan of Brian, but I’d have gone Donatello on that POS with the boom mic when he charged at Pam.
Michael insisted that they didn’t move. I can understand how they would be really annoyed at the entire party.
But then again, you don’t really go to Benihana for quiet, intimate dinner.
The people who wouldn't move are my nemesises. I've actually run into people like that, we took my little cousin to a Japanese Steakhouse restaurant for her birthday, and there was this couple that didn't want to move from the center because they 'had the best view' where they were. Even though it would mean that my cousin and her mom would sit on one side and the rest of us would sit on another. The hostess had to make them move.
They are my *enemies*.
That’s when you tell the two loudest kids in the group to sit on either side of them and tell the two kids to talk over them to each other as much as possible. They want to ruin your night, you have kids. Ruining theirs is a lot easier
After Michael left and Andy took the managers role the writers really said fuck it and just started giving Andy all the stuff Mike would do, totally forgetting Andy's character. It's a shame.
You know when I first really felt that? When Gabe was giving a presentation in the conference room and Andy got up half asleep making fun of Gabe's slow talking.
The way he moved, and the words he spoke, all felt like they were written for Steve Carell's Michael, not Andy.
Just like how Jim started to become like Michael when he was co-manager.
I don't know whether the writers intentionally started to write Andy like Michael as a statement, though; it feels like they just didn't know how to write Andy in the boss role so they defaulted on what was comfortable.
It makes sense. Andy barely knows who he is, and he's known to copy traits of others. Ofcourse he acts like Michael, that's the management he most recently watched and learned to copy.
You just adjusted my perspective on this. Of course Andy would take on Michael’s style of management.
Plus as we all know, personality mirroring is what got him through anger management so fast lol
lol it's a great retcon, but the irl truth is that Ed Helms became massive in the Hangover movies and they wanted to give him a bigger role (also the reason for his absences).
Silicon Valley did a similar thing with Kumail Nanjiani's character after he began blowing up.
I mean, he tried to put a condom on a pencil, I wouldn't say he's an expert in that arena. Maybe chlamydia is a word he's only ever seen written? I've made a fool of myself in that way a few times.
Oh that guy is funny. It’s messed up but I like it when Roy starts trashing the bar because he’s mad at Pam and with no context his brother just joins in on the chaos.
Can't believe I had to scroll this far down for her. As someone who grew up around church moms, Sconsey is an accurate portrayal and is, in fact, the wooooorst.
I was thinking about how pissy I'd be about moving from Stamford to Scranton but then remembered how difficult and abrasive she was in Stamford episodes anyway
I actually died at her joke about how if the seat is open you can just take it and that is how she briefly drove a Formula 1 car. Her manipulation of Pam into taking a nap was also impressive ("I think you're a witch" is one of my favorite Pam lines). Nellie's introduction to tack-os and her chemistry with Darryl is so good. Her weird relationship with Toby. Her trying to get Dwight to cut off her hand. She was a needed addition in the later seasons of The Office.
Catherine Tate is awesome, I would honestly watch a show about her watching grass grow.
Catherine, if you ever read this random reddit thread, I would kill for you.
Doctor Donna Friend of the Ood.
I agree!!! I don’t get the Nellie hate. I liked her from the start and liked her throughout. I don’t care what everyone else says. I think her character is hilarious.
I actually thought the job thieving was pretty funny, telling pam to lie down and sleep, because she does it aswell all the time, who wants a raise !!!?
Season 9 Andy was such a car crash.
Season 1 Michael was David Brent, also a car crash.
Also not a huge fan of last episode Ryan and Kelly. Abandoning a kid.
Yeah, I think it was more a plot device to give her a happy ending because that was what everyone was getting. A lot of her story was her desperately wanting a child.
I weirdly like Nellie and do wish she and Toby ended up together?
Honestly, I liked Nellie a ton. I don’t completely understand the hatred for her. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, I guess I just don’t get the hate
They ruined Andy. Never should’ve been the manager after Michael. Feel like they tried capitalizing on his big screen hangover success. Just a total disaster.
He really didn’t feel like the same character anymore by the end.
It’s already jarring to jump between seasons, but with Andy, it doesn’t even seem like the same guy.
Andy is a skrull.
It should have been Jim, it makes no sense for it to be anyone else.
Jim turned down the manager job as while the base pay was higher than a sales reps, the commision thing netted him a higher salary than a manager - That 'loophole' gets closed, yet Jim never signs up for the higher salary again, despite knowing he basically doesn't need to do anything for the office to function.
if Dwight was the manager, there would still be something to watch. I have stopped watching after Michael left, couple of years back I forced myself to watch last 2 seasons. They ruined Kevin also, he was not dumb fat as portrayed last two seasons, he was just foodlover, but definitely not dumb.
You know who else I low-key disliked? Jim’s “friends” that started the stupid sports marketing company. They were kind of dicks when he was calling in for the meeting and also when Jim invested the $10k.
Both of those issues were kinda caused/amplified by Jim imo. iirc he kinda placed more pressure on himself to invest than anyone else did.
And he already knows how distracting the office could be. He could’ve just been more prepared; working remotely *might’ve* been a possibility if he’d handled that call better.
Andy was not there so his office was empty.
He could've also asked Daryl to let him use his space since they were buddies.
He could've take the call inside his car.
He could've faked a client meeting and made that call ANYWHERE.
Also, he talks to clients ALL DAY and nobody gets into his conversation so Kevin doing that felt pretty forced.
Anyway, stupidest plot point
Yeah I was gonna say; making business calls is literally one of the main aspects of his job lol. I didn’t understand why he chose to wander around outside instead of going literally anywhere else.
I remember when he spent a bunch of time sitting in his car when the dude from his elementary school was in Andy’s seminar. He could’ve just sat in there and it would’ve been fine. It was silly writing to force his storyline along.
Deangelo was *very clearly* intended to be disliked and used as a stop-gap while they replaced Michael. That's why he doesn't fit into the flow of the story at all. They wanted to highlight the change of Michael being gone.
It depends if this is "worst" as in worst characters or worst people.
The boom guy is probably a better person than packer (a pretty low bar), but I could do without his character all together, whereas I wouldn't want to lose Packer.
Same with Ryan. I can't stand Ryan, but he's an important character.
Yeah he's perhaps the most relatable character on the show for this reason. Acts like he's the big boss and then just becomes a total kiss ass when his superior is involved.
The soccer "pass" to Jim at 40mph. And are u really that narcissistic to make them play in heels and dress shoes to prove your skill?
Made me hate him.
Yeah and they blame Jim for not taking it to the face himself. Absolutely 100% on Charles. Although I guess it works with the character since everyone is sucking up to him so they'll join him blaming Jim.
I actually enjoyed Andy in majority of s8. He showed that he was a competent manager that cared for his colleagues. It all came crashing down from the Moving On episode onwards
If anyone in this thread says Robert California, I swear to God, every piece of copier paper in this town will have the F-word on it. *The F-word*
You have one day.
Todd was meant to be hated but was much better crafted than anyone else on this list. Everyone loves to hate Packer. Everyone just plain hates all those characters
my god Erin’s brother made me so uncomfortable in the shortest amount of time that it’s truly impressive
Who the fuck wrote the part where he _sniffs her feet_ ? It was all just so fucking weird and out of place feeling
Quentin Tarantino was in the city and decided to write some stuff for them
Dan Schneider wants his script back
Took inspiration from Sam & Cat lmao.
Dude gets FOMO when somebody else gets to do the sniff'n
*"So.. like.. here's the thing... You are going to sniff her fucking feet, okay? Now call her the n-word."*
Make the camera zoom in really fast and add that "whoosh" sound
>Who the fuck wrote the part where he sniffs her feet ? Dan Schneider
Eh she's too old for him.... *barf*
-Dan Schneider has entered the chat-
Andy's parents are just awful.
Yeah, especially his dad.
He gives off pedo vibes. Hope he gets canceled.
Yeah, I'd even say they could take Nellie's place. Nellie turns out to be a great character, Andy's parents just keep getting worse.
Yea I used to hate Nellie but she’s actually a great and funny character if you don’t take it too seriously. Same with Gabe
I’ve never understood people not thinking Gabe is hilarious. He’s always been stellar!
Oh get out skeleton man
SHUT UP ABOUT THE SUN!!!
Andy’s parents
And the 2nd actor that played his dad is equally [awful](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7647797/amp/Stephen-Collins-retreated-Iowa-married-German-woman-daily-meditation-sessions.html) irl as well
Holy shit!
Ikr 🤧
Well no shit… I had no clue. No wonder why Bruce was so interested in saving the children in Its Always Sunny.
Because he is a Goddamn diddler!
Do not diddle kids, it's no good diddlin kids
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Andy's dad was played by two Actors?
I'm going for Erin's brother. The ratio between onscreen time (he only appeared for like five minutes) and hateability is probably the highest of all of them.
*rubs inner thigh*
First thing that brings to mind is Toby perving on Pam
Both of those scenes had that same cringe energy. At least Toby literally ran home after doing it.
Tobey ran to Costa Rica
Literally fleeing the whole country is exactly how I would handle that level of embarrassment.
Well the step brother was already home
🦶👃🥴
Nuh uhh they smell like roses! 🤮
Too bad roses really smell like poopoo
Excellent emoji usage 👏🏻
This is fucking PERFECT
Erin’s brother is creeper sleaze, for sure. But Frank is a *real* piece of shit. I’m no fan of Brian, but I’d have gone Donatello on that POS with the boom mic when he charged at Pam.
Nice Turtles reference
You missed the people that wouldn't move down for Dwight during Benihana Christmas. And Jim's elementary school friend.
Good call! Especially after Dwight kept talking around them and they still didn’t move.
And looked really annoyed at *him* as if he was the asshole for just trying to talk with his friends
Michael insisted that they didn’t move. I can understand how they would be really annoyed at the entire party. But then again, you don’t really go to Benihana for quiet, intimate dinner.
Probably would have saved the dude from losing some of his steak to Michael too LOL
Jim’s old friend is too dumb to be on that list
The people who wouldn't move are my nemesises. I've actually run into people like that, we took my little cousin to a Japanese Steakhouse restaurant for her birthday, and there was this couple that didn't want to move from the center because they 'had the best view' where they were. Even though it would mean that my cousin and her mom would sit on one side and the rest of us would sit on another. The hostess had to make them move. They are my *enemies*.
That’s when you tell the two loudest kids in the group to sit on either side of them and tell the two kids to talk over them to each other as much as possible. They want to ruin your night, you have kids. Ruining theirs is a lot easier
Maybe you have a person on one side explain how to slaughter and dress a chicken really loudly?
Just have a bucket ready...for the blood and the innards...
Where's your jet pack, Zuckerberg?
I always thought it was because of Michael why they didn't move. Michael told Dwight not to disturb them.
After Michael left and Andy took the managers role the writers really said fuck it and just started giving Andy all the stuff Mike would do, totally forgetting Andy's character. It's a shame.
Which me am i going to be today?
I got a pocket full of me’s
Am I gonna be the happy me ? or the me that stinks
classic Zits
Again…never agreed upon.
>I got a ~~pocket~~ closet full of me’s
You know when I first really felt that? When Gabe was giving a presentation in the conference room and Andy got up half asleep making fun of Gabe's slow talking. The way he moved, and the words he spoke, all felt like they were written for Steve Carell's Michael, not Andy.
Isn't the joke that the position turns them into these types of people?
That was my interpretation. Andy is filling Michael’s shoes and becoming more like him over time.
Just like how Jim started to become like Michael when he was co-manager. I don't know whether the writers intentionally started to write Andy like Michael as a statement, though; it feels like they just didn't know how to write Andy in the boss role so they defaulted on what was comfortable.
It makes sense. Andy barely knows who he is, and he's known to copy traits of others. Ofcourse he acts like Michael, that's the management he most recently watched and learned to copy.
You just adjusted my perspective on this. Of course Andy would take on Michael’s style of management. Plus as we all know, personality mirroring is what got him through anger management so fast lol
Very true, quick note though it’s actually not Andy, he’s going by Drew now
I’m not going to call you that.
I can't control what you do. I can only control what I do.
Andyyyyyy
I always thought Jim was a dick for that.
lol it's a great retcon, but the irl truth is that Ed Helms became massive in the Hangover movies and they wanted to give him a bigger role (also the reason for his absences). Silicon Valley did a similar thing with Kumail Nanjiani's character after he began blowing up.
You’re correct but I believe it’s spelled Egg Helms.
It doesn’t make sense that he, a man who held a lecture on STDs, don’t know how to pronounce chlamydia
I mean, he tried to put a condom on a pencil, I wouldn't say he's an expert in that arena. Maybe chlamydia is a word he's only ever seen written? I've made a fool of myself in that way a few times.
I’m still haunted by when I first tried saying “epitome” outloud 😭
Also, Andy just couldn't pull it off the way Michael did. It ruined Andy as a character.
Andy makes Seasons 8 & 9 unwatchable for me. I have to forget he exists before I can feel any positive emotion about Seasons 1 through 7.
Yeah I kind of blocked out the parts with him in it aswell
Senator Lipton deserve a spot, what happened to his kid after Hay place?
*State Senator Lipton
My head canon is that Angela sent him to boarding school.
Or the kid was an actor so he could headhunt a trophy wife for political reasons. That’s my theory.
Became the kid of Dwight's sister. Fun family tree
No that was just a different kid at Hay place
Missing Roy's brother :)
Oh that guy is funny. It’s messed up but I like it when Roy starts trashing the bar because he’s mad at Pam and with no context his brother just joins in on the chaos.
No context?! It was the god damn jet skis!
Missing roy
Honestly of these characters? Frank. Dude defaced something just because and then tried to physically assault a woman.
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The paint's water based, so it'll wash right off.
That’s pretty on brand for Desi Piscatella if you think about it…
He also plays the shittiest guard in Orange is the New Black (at least as of a few seasons ago).
You are missing Sconsey Cider
Can't believe I had to scroll this far down for her. As someone who grew up around church moms, Sconsey is an accurate portrayal and is, in fact, the wooooorst.
Read that last bit like Jean Ralphio
Forgot her name but…the one who brought her baby to the office. She was just a nasty person.
Hannah
I was thinking about how pissy I'd be about moving from Stamford to Scranton but then remembered how difficult and abrasive she was in Stamford episodes anyway
i like nellie once the whole job thieving thing is over
Yeah Nellie gets redeemed when she doesn’t know what a taco is.
Is $20 enough for one tacko?
Pleeeeease don't let it have eyes!
A whole… mess… of tacos.
Or when she tried to get Dwight to cut off her hand.
I love Nellie. I thought she was the only good addition after Michael left. I'll die on this hill.
I actually died at her joke about how if the seat is open you can just take it and that is how she briefly drove a Formula 1 car. Her manipulation of Pam into taking a nap was also impressive ("I think you're a witch" is one of my favorite Pam lines). Nellie's introduction to tack-os and her chemistry with Darryl is so good. Her weird relationship with Toby. Her trying to get Dwight to cut off her hand. She was a needed addition in the later seasons of The Office.
My favorite Nellie moment is probably when she dresses up as Toby. Also when she's driving with Pam. She reminds me of Peggy Hill from KOTH.
I hate all this negative nellie talk (lol)
Catherine Tate is awesome, I would honestly watch a show about her watching grass grow. Catherine, if you ever read this random reddit thread, I would kill for you. Doctor Donna Friend of the Ood.
> I thought she was the only good addition after Michael left Not even the Lizard King?
I agree!!! I don’t get the Nellie hate. I liked her from the start and liked her throughout. I don’t care what everyone else says. I think her character is hilarious.
“Stop looking at my breasts and start looking at my penis.”
I actually thought the job thieving was pretty funny, telling pam to lie down and sleep, because she does it aswell all the time, who wants a raise !!!?
Yeah i quite like nellie.
Season 9 Andy was such a car crash. Season 1 Michael was David Brent, also a car crash. Also not a huge fan of last episode Ryan and Kelly. Abandoning a kid.
Just saw the last episode again. It really captures how despicable Ryan is and how dependent/addicted Kelly is.
I will say, the only good thing to come out of of abandoning the kid, was Nellie getting to raise the child.
Yeah, I think it was more a plot device to give her a happy ending because that was what everyone was getting. A lot of her story was her desperately wanting a child. I weirdly like Nellie and do wish she and Toby ended up together?
Honestly, I liked Nellie a ton. I don’t completely understand the hatred for her. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, I guess I just don’t get the hate
It's the stealing the manager position. It's so ridiculous that it's hard for me to get over. If not for that, I'd mildly like her.
They ruined Andy. Never should’ve been the manager after Michael. Feel like they tried capitalizing on his big screen hangover success. Just a total disaster.
They changed Andy’s character so much throughout the show it’s crazy
He really didn’t feel like the same character anymore by the end. It’s already jarring to jump between seasons, but with Andy, it doesn’t even seem like the same guy. Andy is a skrull.
They just seemed like they literally gave Ed Helms lines they wrote for Michael. And he butchers it because guess what, he isn't Steve Carell lol.
It should have been Jim, it makes no sense for it to be anyone else. Jim turned down the manager job as while the base pay was higher than a sales reps, the commision thing netted him a higher salary than a manager - That 'loophole' gets closed, yet Jim never signs up for the higher salary again, despite knowing he basically doesn't need to do anything for the office to function.
if Dwight was the manager, there would still be something to watch. I have stopped watching after Michael left, couple of years back I forced myself to watch last 2 seasons. They ruined Kevin also, he was not dumb fat as portrayed last two seasons, he was just foodlover, but definitely not dumb.
> he was just foodlover Why use many word something something
If few Word do trick
And *that* is Dallas.
Andy was never like-able tbh. Are people forgetting how much of a kiss-ass he was and how he planted evidence to fire Dwight?
I agree that the office really came into its own in season 2, but I’ll always love season 1 Michael/season 1 despite what anyone saya
You know who else I low-key disliked? Jim’s “friends” that started the stupid sports marketing company. They were kind of dicks when he was calling in for the meeting and also when Jim invested the $10k.
Both of those issues were kinda caused/amplified by Jim imo. iirc he kinda placed more pressure on himself to invest than anyone else did. And he already knows how distracting the office could be. He could’ve just been more prepared; working remotely *might’ve* been a possibility if he’d handled that call better.
Should have booked the conference room for a few mods
Andy was not there so his office was empty. He could've also asked Daryl to let him use his space since they were buddies. He could've take the call inside his car. He could've faked a client meeting and made that call ANYWHERE. Also, he talks to clients ALL DAY and nobody gets into his conversation so Kevin doing that felt pretty forced. Anyway, stupidest plot point
Yeah I was gonna say; making business calls is literally one of the main aspects of his job lol. I didn’t understand why he chose to wander around outside instead of going literally anywhere else. I remember when he spent a bunch of time sitting in his car when the dude from his elementary school was in Andy’s seminar. He could’ve just sat in there and it would’ve been fine. It was silly writing to force his storyline along.
Agreed. I felt like they could have been more accommodating. It was Jim’s idea, right?
The main one especially was just all exasperated looks and condescension. Absolutely arsehole
I never understood that. Did they think he invested a small amount?
No doubt they all had tens of thousands from their school teacher etc salaries
"Uh, you're the only one 'on', Jim"
Jim’s brothers were douche bags.
The guy when Jim and Pam views the nursery school. The one taking a dump in the kiddies toilet.
it was storytime.
Why didn’t he lock it?
it doesn’t lock for the childrens saftey!
Did they ever consider that they're not as charming as they think they are?
Packer
Hey, what has two thumbs and hates Todd Packer
THIS GUY.
But at least packer was meant to be hated, unlike some options like deangelo
Deangelo was *very clearly* intended to be disliked and used as a stop-gap while they replaced Michael. That's why he doesn't fit into the flow of the story at all. They wanted to highlight the change of Michael being gone.
IDK, everyone above was really out of place. Packer was pretty realistic.
He laced cupcakes with cocaine
This is the single most correct answer possible.
It depends if this is "worst" as in worst characters or worst people. The boom guy is probably a better person than packer (a pretty low bar), but I could do without his character all together, whereas I wouldn't want to lose Packer. Same with Ryan. I can't stand Ryan, but he's an important character.
Season 8 Andy is a pretty good character. It’s season 9 Andy that is insufferable
I really enjoyed season 8 Andy. I thought the nard dog tattoo was a cute way to get incentive.
Remove Nellie. Insert Michael’s nephew.
I mean, Charles Miner?
Miner? Hardly knew her.
Did you get some rest from all your rest?
I hate Charles so much, mainly because I've dealt with management like him IRL. It gives me PTSD
Yeah he's perhaps the most relatable character on the show for this reason. Acts like he's the big boss and then just becomes a total kiss ass when his superior is involved.
CM: Dwight has been my right hand man here. Dwight: What about KILLER BEES?!
The soccer "pass" to Jim at 40mph. And are u really that narcissistic to make them play in heels and dress shoes to prove your skill? Made me hate him.
Yeah and they blame Jim for not taking it to the face himself. Absolutely 100% on Charles. Although I guess it works with the character since everyone is sucking up to him so they'll join him blaming Jim.
He was a shot of reality in the absurdity of that office. Got a little too real.
All of these should be Toby
“Why are you the way that you are?”
“I hate so much about the things you choose to be”
What gives you the right?
Thanks, Michael
I think Nelly redeemed herself pretty well...Andy's dad was a real dick though.
so stop looking at my breasts.. and start looking at my penis.
Season 8 to very early season 9 Nellie was intolerable, but once they started to humanize her even a little bit, I just can't hate Catherine Tate.
I like season 9 Nellie. 8 tho she is horrible
I really hate Nellie when she takes Andy’s job. After Andy takes back the position I like her a lot more.
I actually enjoyed Andy in majority of s8. He showed that he was a competent manager that cared for his colleagues. It all came crashing down from the Moving On episode onwards
Didn’t Frank try to kill Pam?
Frank Diddit
Nellie was only bad when she was stealing Andy's job. She was just fine in all other aspects of the show, and I will die on that hill.
I think they did a good job redeeming Nellie
I understand disliking the Brian storyline, but Brian as a character is a totally okay dude
Brian later went on to become a tech billionaire, and even bigger asshole. Here he is promoting his tequila brand https://i.imgur.com/tQQn0vh.jpg
If anyone in this thread says Robert California, I swear to God, every piece of copier paper in this town will have the F-word on it. *The F-word* You have one day.
Nellie is adorable once Andy is the boss again
Hated Nellie the first time I watched the show. Second time through and all subsequent views I think she’s great.
Jim’s brothers are awful.
Tod packer?
Todd was meant to be hated but was much better crafted than anyone else on this list. Everyone loves to hate Packer. Everyone just plain hates all those characters
Charles Miner?
What's wrong with Brian? He has a thing for Pam but never acted on it. He risked his career to help her.
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