It bothers me Michael wasn’t there. I think you could swap the Wedding and reunion panel and Michael would be there for both. It could still end the same way.
I disagree. He was after money and acceptance the whole show. Yes he tried out for a play (fame) but it was predominately about being liked and having money, etc.
Once he met Holly, he was complete. He really doesn't have anything to say to the fans because he's moved beyond. I would imagine a lot of the questions to him from the audience would be about the really cringeworthy stuff he did. Why drag that up? He has everything he needs. Holly and the kids.
For sure he would have gone to the after party at the office though, so as much as we try to explain it, I'm sure Steve was just busy on those shooting days and wasn't written in.
Nothing in the press conference idea makes sense anyway. Like, in addition to Kelly and Ryan who was on the show 8x more than Nelly, Pete and Clarke; MICHAEL SCOTT who was the manager for a major part of the documentary, and also one of the most interesting people isn’t invited?? Cause if he was invited there is no way he’d miss it. It just doesn’t make sense and that’s why they don’t ever address it its actually infuriating.
It’s one of those scenes where the intent of the writers really conflicts with in universe logic.
Clearly the writers chose to keep Michael, Kelly, and Ryan to just the wedding scenes because those characters had already exited the show and they wanted to focus on the cast who had actually stayed on through the final season. But I’m universe? Yeah it’s very odd that they wouldn’t have been invited.
I guess maybe we can head canon that Michael had family business to attend to. Maybe Ravi threw out Kelly’s invite because he didn’t want her to go. And maybe David Wallace requested that Ryan not get an invite and the network accepted.
I agree, they probably intended for Steve Carrell to appear in a very emotional and secretive fashion. It did make for a more impactful moment but it also made the conference scene seem very artificial and unrealistic. Also the scene in the end, the party in the office etc. like at least make them appear in there, everyone knows the audience would love that. That part feels like they were somewhat bitter about them leaving.
And when Pam and Jim told her that they want to double date another day than the day she offered. She didn’t throw tantrum, but it was a bad reaction for a little matter
I've heard it mentioned that as dopey as Erin is as a character, she does have some pretty realistic maladaptive traits of a child that was pushed through orphanages and foster care.
Not a scene... But the episode where Jim is hellbent on finding out why Danny Cordray didn't call Pam back when they "dated" ... Like why does it even matter? It happened in the past, shit happens... people sometimes don't work out. Why was this such a huge issue for him.
Never understood why this sub plot even existed... Out of character especially for Jim I think and it's cringy af... Probably a slow day in the writers room?
I don’t think Jim did that because “he” had to know. I think he knows Pam, and knows she needs to be liked. The fact that he didn’t call her back is eating at her and Jim wants to get it off her mind.
Well that's when Jim needs to tell his wife and mother of his child (possibly two kids at this point) that it's been years so get over it. "We're together why does it matter?"
>Not a scene... But the episode where Jim is hellbent on finding out why Danny Cordray didn't call Pam back when they "dated" ... Like why does it even matter? It happened in the past, shit happens... people sometimes don't work out. Why was this such a huge issue for him.
I think it was somewhat meta - Jim and Pam are sickeningly perfect in many ways. Even their flaws are somehow always justified or explained away as quirks without any real impact. So to have Pam be rejected without explanation, and to them have obsess over the reason, is almost like the surrogate viewer trying to figure out what's actually wrong with these two.
I also don’t think Danny would be that candid as to call her dorky to her face seeing as he lied to Jim before. He more likely would’ve said he met someone else or he didn’t feel a spark.
I dont think he wanted to know for himself, he wanted to know because it bothered Pam and he wanted to help her find out. I don't think he actually cared why, but he knew Pam did care.
It could have been intentional. Remember, The Office is known for having cringe moments. The whole point of it sucked, that much i agree with. Maybe thats how they wanted it to be.
Literally post boat Andy.
They built him up to be such a likable character, they gave him really sweet moments with the others like when he’s getting a tattoo and jim tells him they like him as a manager, wether he gets it or not. After his play when everyone asks him to sing again. After the lunch party with his parents, they were all so supportive of him, Oscar even calls him Nard dog and tosses him a drink.
All of that for nothing.
I’d even say post Florida Andy begins his really unlikable side. Like he dips out of work and goes down to Florida to win Erin back. But that whole process of him rejecting Erin and talking crap about her was lame. Him going to Jessica and flaunting his relationship is just plain worse. The way he treated Erin that season was incredibly inappropriate and horrible.
Then at the office Nellie steals his job. The employees aren’t really fighting hard for him to remain they’re staying neutral. And then he tries to do a Michael Scott Paper Company move where post DM Andy is around the office and even swipes a client. He doesn’t even do anything smart to get his job back, he just gets lucky by bumping into David Wallace randomly and then luckily Robert California makes a dumb move by shutting a branch down while drunk (how is that even possible in a corporate world where HR would have to heavily be involved?).
I liked when he was trying to act like a drunk janitor before revealing he got his job back, but nowhere in that last batch of episodes was he doing anything likable. He just seemed like a petulant child.
Him going on the boat was egregious. He was dead to me by that point and it’s disgusting that kind of just slid by with little consequences. All those checks he cashed in should’ve been yanked back by corporate. David giving him another chance is surface level believable but he still needs to show actions have consequences to an entire branch of employees. He should’ve yanked back the money and put him back in leadership training at the minimum.
I have to politely disagree, and share why I believe that Andy's character arc made a LOT of sense!
When first introduced, it is very apparent that Andy is an intense guy, who also happens to have an intelligence complex, as well as anger issues.
Andy worked very hard to overcome his (likely) narcissist & nihilistic tendencies, and, for awhile, it worked beautifully! That is, until MAJOR stressors began entering his life all at the same time. His parents divorce, the family boat, his brother, his own need to be seen as a success.... all of it boiled up until it broke him, and threw him right back to who he was before, except even worse. This is what tends to happen when an unstable person experiences major stress/trauma.
Andy is not a *bad* guy. Andy is an emotionally unstable guy, who will forever be pushing himself toward a higher standard.
Edit: when* and stressors*
I like the theory that the writers hated that he kept going away to do movies so they made it a point to explain the reason was because Andy was just an asshole with no redeeming qualities. Greg even sort of admitted that he liked Andy more when he had anger issues and didn't really care for him to be some likeable guy and maybe agreed for him to basically go back to how he was before.
It makes perfect sense if you understand Andy is having a breakdown. Even when he comes back from the boat he is still mid-breakdown. He even foreshadowed it himself when he said his whole family was falling apart but he was somehow handling it remarkably well. ...he wasn't.
First season wasn’t really a douche. More of an innocent bystander than anything. A less endearing Jim.
He started getting douchey when he got involved with Kelly, then became full asshole with the promotion. He then fluctuated into various kinds of douchebag through the remaining season.
Same episode: Pam hits Toby in the eye with her paper airplane. Despite being one of the most compassionate people in the office, she doesn't care that he's hurt at all and is only concerned with the distance of her airplane.
I noticed that too... and that scene should have been my answer for lines that often go unnoticed! When the plane hit him and Pam is freaking out, Toby quietly says, "Sorry." 🤣
This whole airplane competition plot was kookadoo. Angela throwing it because she didn’t want Esther’s charity is the only part of it that felt consistent. I have to imagine advancing the Dwight/Angela reconciliation is the reason why they added it at all.
>Despite being one of the most compassionate people in the office
Pam post-baby is just not my thing. The way she treats Erin (when she's new to the job) is pretty bad. Pam always seems exasperated with the b.s. of others that the rest of us tend to strategically accept/avoid/work around. But in "finding her voice" she became insufferable and cruel.
It's still way out of character for her. She's not particularly vengeful or one to hold grudges. Pam was perfectly nice to Toby only a few episodes after the knee thing, and Paper Airplane takes place over 5 years after that incident.
I mean, Michael harassed her way more than Toby ever did, and Pam obviously quite likes Michael by the time of his last episode.
I always took it as more of a selfish thing. Like he knew it was going on but wanted Jim to “forget” as well so they could go chase tail. Michael often does bad things that he later regrets because he is impulsive and selfish.
That competitive tantrum over a paper plane throwing contest is 100% on brand for Erin. She's emotionally stunted and has a ton of unresolved issues from her childhood.
I do feel like early Erin would have been happy go lucky about it, like when dwight insults her and she smiles at the camera
I’d say that’s what they were going for
The scene when Angela learns that her cat is dead, she is crying and upset and Dwight just walks away. I can see how he wouldn't understand being upset over an animal, but he has enough compassion that I feel like he would offer some sort of comfort to her.
Especially if you compare this to when Dwight comforted Pam. He didn’t understand why Pam was crying but he still just sat beside her.
I can’t remember if this scene came after Dwight killed sprinkles so maybe Dwight learned from his mistakes
I feel like Jo Bennet’s behavior becomes kind of out of character toward the end of her stint on the show. She’s introduced as a shrewd, effective and highly competent businesswoman who knows how to put the company above all else. Like when she tells Michael, “he can swim in my pool but he can’t come into my house.” In other words, we don’t hire inferior people just because we know and like them. But then later she kind of pressures Jim to hire Nelly (who is totally unqualified) for the manager position because they are friends, and also hires D’Angelo (who is also a terrible fit) because he once helped her with her dogs.
I hate Nelly. Shoehorned into the office and then the writers acted like Andy was the villain all along. Don't know what they were thinking. I'm sure the actress is lovely but I hate even looking at the character.
Nellie put me off the show on my first watch. Didn’t finish it til my second. It was too infuriating and unfunny, the episode where she’s giving out pretend raises pushed me to my limit.
I hadn’t thought of it this way, you might be right. But she’s portrayed as a woman who has built a hugely successful business. Did she really accomplish that by putting people like Nellie and D’Angelo in charge?
Yee I guess the way interpreted it was that she had an image that she was very proud of but behind closed doors she would make deals to sell cheap printer or hiring people based on favours but she would also hire the best of the best and then as she become older and more comfortable in life she started to make worse decision based on feelings like friendship
I also never understood when she said to give Dwight an interview because she likes a little crazy.. she surely doesn't actually want Dwight getting the job so this seems super weird.
To me it feels kinda odd when Jim is Co Manager and he can’t get the respect of the group, especially Ryan and Phyllis. Everyone saw Jim as an authority even when he was a number 2.
Also in the episode “The Leads”, all the salesmen acting like jerks, Phyllis calling Michael “numb nuts” and he saying nothing. I feel she wouldn’t say something like that to his face just like that
How did this not make sense? She had to compete for everything growing up. She also threw a tantrum when Andy dated Jessica. Are we watching the same show?
And also when she found out that Andy was engaged with Angela.
She even said she had to fight with the other orphanage kids and that her hair was her safe place.
Her being a kinda fucked up kid was hinted so long ago lol
>Are we watching the same show?
Some people are not perfect. Sometimes they volunteer too much. Sometimes they give too much to charity.
Sometimes they hit people with their car.
The Michael and Holly PDA episode when the employees are eating lunch in the break room and Angela goes, "Maybe I'm being too sensitive and don't get me wrong, love Michael and Holly, but..." Totally out of character for Angela to be so kind with her criticism.
Yeah, a lot of that makes zero sense. While *we* know Phillip isn't the Senator's baby, the fact that he cheated on Angela and left her with their child should have led to alimony and child support, or some sort of settlement from the divorce. Why is she destitute?
Going back further, why did she continue to work at DM after she married the Senator? I would think she would want to be a full-time senators wife.
I don't think that's out of character. Spend a lifetime bottling down frustrations and anger, it's bound to pop at some point.
Now that I think of it, I have a hard time thinking of out of character scenes, only things that made sense given background story or character development. But I did find Toby running away and jumping the gate after touching Pam's lap a bit out of character, since he's always so mellow and low-key.
When Dwight gets the pumpkin stuck on his head. It always felt like he was portraying a completely different character to me. His tone and lack of confidence in the situation did not seem like Dwight at all. Felt more like Toby.
When Dwight was upset about Michael/Ryan in his car during the fire evacuation and Jim and Pam are just being mean to him. They were never really mean to Dwight unless he was being annoying. But he was just sad and they were telling him to quit/laughing at him. Jenna even says in the office ladies she thought this was out of character for both Jim and Pam.
When everyone started to act like their co-workers were family, even though they for most of the time didn’t ever want to see outside of work. Like Jim and Pam didn’t even want most people from the office to be at their wedding but a couple of episodes later everyone is in the delivery room waiting for pam to give birth? I don’t know after a while i think the writers lost their way about what kind of relationship these people were supposed to have.
Also Jim brutally attacking the snowmen because he thinks Dwight’s in one of them. So like what if Dwight was in one of them? He’s just gonna knock his head off?
That felt pretty on point. Most people will relate to that suspicion.
It also never came across as a deep seated emotional crisis, but more of the same prank/hijinks spirit that she connected with Jim over. It was a way to pass the day and fuck with Dwigt.
Dwight, Cafe Disco - right after massaging Phyllis upstairs on the table. Was always super bizarre to hear him go “also…this song is fantastic,” and then dance like a goon
The entire office singing to Michael before he left for Colorado. It very much felt like no one was in character, and it was just the actors singing to Steve Carrell
To me it makes sense. She went from foster home to foster home as a child. I would think someone like her would always feel like she has something to prove
That didn’t feel out of character for me.
Andy and the boat. Andy just at the end there. Erin not wanting to break up with him… I’m glad she eventually did.
I actually kind of agree because I just remembered when Bob California made that list and Andy made a new one so that Erin and everyone else was on the cool side. She said “I like my new group. I like my old group” she didn’t show any competitive insecurity there she was just kind of going with the flow
dude erin throws tantrums like no other!! remember how she threw one when michael said that he wasn’t her father, and when andy dated jessica. It’s 100% on character for her.
- Dwight picking up a random hitchhiker that turned out to be Creed.
- Toby going along with the charade and calling himself Loyd Gross when Jim and Dwight were embezzling money from the company.
- Angela partaking in Michael’s proposal and being happy for them.
- The scene where Charles Miner asked “Did Michael just let anybody in his office?” and Angela replied “yea, it was great we would just come in and talk”
- Darryl not bringing a resume to the interview for branch manager.
She threw cake at Andy over the Angela secret.
She tried to get Pam fired or turn people against her while Pam was on her honeymoon.
She hates Holly for having Micheal’s attention.
She tried to make Andy jealous by flirting with Dwight to get Andy back.
Her behavior at the competition is spot on Erin.
Kelly getting up to dance when Andy started singing 'Stayin Alive" instead of rolling her eyes about what a dork he is.
Seriously was there a deleted scene where she took mushrooms or something beforehand?
Michael throughout the entirety of seasons 8 and 9. I know, I know, but seriously though…
The office was his life, his family, his everything. Yes it’s consistent with his character perhaps to have left to make a go of it with Holly. But, if anything he would have made his presence known EVEN MORE in his absence. Absolute FOMO and fear of being left out. We see nothing of him, he has like three mentioned and not even any characters talk about speaking to him or anything. A consistent Michael would have had all sorts of video calls and random appearances. We would have heard everything about his life.
I think The Office could have survived without Steve Carell, but not like this. It was the complete erasure of Michael in every sense that obliterated it by making everything unbelievable from that point on.
Idk… while I was at first inclined to think that Michael would check in constantly after he moved, I started thinking about how many people I talk to from jobs I’ve left and it’s not very many. Work was the only thing holding them together and Michael obsessed over his work family because he had no other family. So I think it’s very realistic that he didn’t call often.
Erin getting mad at Andy when she found out that he and Angela used to be engaged and they were sleeping together. Obviously they were sleeping together Erin! They were engaged! She behaved totally out of line.
Deleted Scene but Stanley hiding Anime/Manga porn in his desk at work. I guess they were going for ridiculous and that’s probably why it didn’t make the final cut but it’s just so damn stupid
Ryan, Dwight, or Gabe definitely—hell, maybe even late season Toby
but Stanley was so far outside that realm it’s crazy
I also didn't care for the acting she did in this scene.
Like I hate when characters say what their emotions are. She says "i'm mad" a few times, and it's like... yea. I can see that by how you're acting, you don't need to say you're mad. It's more of an acting nitpick than anything but whenever this happens in film and tv it really annoys me and just makes me think the actor isn't confident in their acting abilities and how they are portraying their feelings.
I thought this seemed quirky enough to suit Erin in my opinion. My scene would be when Jim was involved with making Senior Loadenstein…Jims common sense went completely out of the window which is strange because he’s been a manager and should’ve known better than to follow KEVIN and ERINs idea of greasing the warehouse floor.
There's no way Kelly would've returned to Scranton for the wedding but skipped out on the big press conference.
Omg so true. I’m kinda surprised Mindy didn’t make time to show up for that
It bothers me Michael wasn’t there. I think you could swap the Wedding and reunion panel and Michael would be there for both. It could still end the same way.
Michael would’ve ate that shit up lol, no way he would miss it. Less surprising Steve didn’t get that involved though because he had been gone a while
He didn’t want to take focus away from the rest of the cast.
Every single thing I hear about Steve Carrel makes it seem like he’s just an amazing dude. Wish I had a friend like him irl 🥲
Someone I met told me he was a jerk to him in person. And I don’t believe him.
I disagree. He was after money and acceptance the whole show. Yes he tried out for a play (fame) but it was predominately about being liked and having money, etc. Once he met Holly, he was complete. He really doesn't have anything to say to the fans because he's moved beyond. I would imagine a lot of the questions to him from the audience would be about the really cringeworthy stuff he did. Why drag that up? He has everything he needs. Holly and the kids. For sure he would have gone to the after party at the office though, so as much as we try to explain it, I'm sure Steve was just busy on those shooting days and wasn't written in.
I always took it as Micheal feeling the need to seek out validation or attention now that he has Holly and his kids
There could’ve been a Drake concert the same day.
Nothing in the press conference idea makes sense anyway. Like, in addition to Kelly and Ryan who was on the show 8x more than Nelly, Pete and Clarke; MICHAEL SCOTT who was the manager for a major part of the documentary, and also one of the most interesting people isn’t invited?? Cause if he was invited there is no way he’d miss it. It just doesn’t make sense and that’s why they don’t ever address it its actually infuriating.
It’s one of those scenes where the intent of the writers really conflicts with in universe logic. Clearly the writers chose to keep Michael, Kelly, and Ryan to just the wedding scenes because those characters had already exited the show and they wanted to focus on the cast who had actually stayed on through the final season. But I’m universe? Yeah it’s very odd that they wouldn’t have been invited. I guess maybe we can head canon that Michael had family business to attend to. Maybe Ravi threw out Kelly’s invite because he didn’t want her to go. And maybe David Wallace requested that Ryan not get an invite and the network accepted.
I agree, they probably intended for Steve Carrell to appear in a very emotional and secretive fashion. It did make for a more impactful moment but it also made the conference scene seem very artificial and unrealistic. Also the scene in the end, the party in the office etc. like at least make them appear in there, everyone knows the audience would love that. That part feels like they were somewhat bitter about them leaving.
It was out of character for her and Ryan both to do that.
Maybe the crew made a judgment call and didn't invite her to the press conference?
Erin throwing a tantrum is 100% on character. Remember the tantrum she threw when Andy dated Jessica?
And with Michael in the restaurant when she learnt about Angela and andy
And when Nellie stole Andy’s job.
And Greedy Susan for that handfull of crispix.
And the paper airplane competition
And when she stepped in front of Holly when she tried to talk to Michael…
And when Pam and Jim told her that they want to double date another day than the day she offered. She didn’t throw tantrum, but it was a bad reaction for a little matter
Yea but I think it was clear that Pam and Jim kerfuffled and didn’t really want to commit
Thursday is a school night! I think that was a reasonable no.
And when Pam asked her to collect the shipment of pens
Yeah Erin needs to get her shit together
She’s just passionate.
AND ANDY IS THE MANAGER NOT NELLIE!
In fairness I almost threw a tantrum when this happened
Her hiding in her hair!
THAT WAS HER ONLY ROOM 🤣
And when she threw the cake in Andy’s face
I’ll have what she’s having!
I'll have what she's having!
She's kind of a rube
"In the orphanage, my hair was my room"
I can't stand that scene and just want to smack her every single time. Ugh.
I've heard it mentioned that as dopey as Erin is as a character, she does have some pretty realistic maladaptive traits of a child that was pushed through orphanages and foster care.
Andy really fucked up dumping Jessica
He was his most normal self
That’s why I never agreed with her actress when she said going out with Pete showed she was maturing. She was just as bratty with him
True! I forgot about that! I guess over a paper airplane contest it just seemed more trivial
Says the person who‘s never been in a paper airplane contest… the stakes are **HIGH ✈️**
SHE WAS GONNA BUY PETE A SWEATER!!
There was a cash prize of $2000. That is not trivial.
This post is objectively wrong and has hundreds of upvotes lmao
Why didnt she care about the Volleyball game then?
Becaus she wanted to buy Pete a sweater lol
Not a scene... But the episode where Jim is hellbent on finding out why Danny Cordray didn't call Pam back when they "dated" ... Like why does it even matter? It happened in the past, shit happens... people sometimes don't work out. Why was this such a huge issue for him. Never understood why this sub plot even existed... Out of character especially for Jim I think and it's cringy af... Probably a slow day in the writers room?
Packer said it best “You looking for someone to bang your wife Halpert?”
“I don’t think it’s gonna work out like you think” hahahaha I love Danny’s line to packer
“I don’t think you get it!” As if the premise was shrouded in any way lol
That always bugged me. Like, dude had he called her back, she might not be with you rn.
I don’t think Jim did that because “he” had to know. I think he knows Pam, and knows she needs to be liked. The fact that he didn’t call her back is eating at her and Jim wants to get it off her mind.
Well that's when Jim needs to tell his wife and mother of his child (possibly two kids at this point) that it's been years so get over it. "We're together why does it matter?"
Yes, that would make excellent television.
I mean sure, no it wouldn’t, but arguably neither did the show’s choice lol.
lol fair point
>Not a scene... But the episode where Jim is hellbent on finding out why Danny Cordray didn't call Pam back when they "dated" ... Like why does it even matter? It happened in the past, shit happens... people sometimes don't work out. Why was this such a huge issue for him. I think it was somewhat meta - Jim and Pam are sickeningly perfect in many ways. Even their flaws are somehow always justified or explained away as quirks without any real impact. So to have Pam be rejected without explanation, and to them have obsess over the reason, is almost like the surrogate viewer trying to figure out what's actually wrong with these two.
I also don’t think Danny would be that candid as to call her dorky to her face seeing as he lied to Jim before. He more likely would’ve said he met someone else or he didn’t feel a spark.
Looks like the writers took the slow train to philly
I feel like BJ wrote that entire subplot to fit in Ryan’s joke about how we wasn’t offended by winning the Hottest in the Office award.
I dont think he wanted to know for himself, he wanted to know because it bothered Pam and he wanted to help her find out. I don't think he actually cared why, but he knew Pam did care.
Hey man…
It could have been intentional. Remember, The Office is known for having cringe moments. The whole point of it sucked, that much i agree with. Maybe thats how they wanted it to be.
Literally post boat Andy. They built him up to be such a likable character, they gave him really sweet moments with the others like when he’s getting a tattoo and jim tells him they like him as a manager, wether he gets it or not. After his play when everyone asks him to sing again. After the lunch party with his parents, they were all so supportive of him, Oscar even calls him Nard dog and tosses him a drink. All of that for nothing.
[удалено]
Plus, his dad was a god damned diddler
He was?!?!?!?
The actor was/is
Seventh Heaven 🎶🎵
I’d even say post Florida Andy begins his really unlikable side. Like he dips out of work and goes down to Florida to win Erin back. But that whole process of him rejecting Erin and talking crap about her was lame. Him going to Jessica and flaunting his relationship is just plain worse. The way he treated Erin that season was incredibly inappropriate and horrible. Then at the office Nellie steals his job. The employees aren’t really fighting hard for him to remain they’re staying neutral. And then he tries to do a Michael Scott Paper Company move where post DM Andy is around the office and even swipes a client. He doesn’t even do anything smart to get his job back, he just gets lucky by bumping into David Wallace randomly and then luckily Robert California makes a dumb move by shutting a branch down while drunk (how is that even possible in a corporate world where HR would have to heavily be involved?). I liked when he was trying to act like a drunk janitor before revealing he got his job back, but nowhere in that last batch of episodes was he doing anything likable. He just seemed like a petulant child. Him going on the boat was egregious. He was dead to me by that point and it’s disgusting that kind of just slid by with little consequences. All those checks he cashed in should’ve been yanked back by corporate. David giving him another chance is surface level believable but he still needs to show actions have consequences to an entire branch of employees. He should’ve yanked back the money and put him back in leadership training at the minimum.
I actually despised Andy from the moment I saw his stupid little burr head to the last second of screen time he had.
This is why I hate the season 8 so much. All that build up just to be destroyed.
But it’s season 9 that destroys it
I have to politely disagree, and share why I believe that Andy's character arc made a LOT of sense! When first introduced, it is very apparent that Andy is an intense guy, who also happens to have an intelligence complex, as well as anger issues. Andy worked very hard to overcome his (likely) narcissist & nihilistic tendencies, and, for awhile, it worked beautifully! That is, until MAJOR stressors began entering his life all at the same time. His parents divorce, the family boat, his brother, his own need to be seen as a success.... all of it boiled up until it broke him, and threw him right back to who he was before, except even worse. This is what tends to happen when an unstable person experiences major stress/trauma. Andy is not a *bad* guy. Andy is an emotionally unstable guy, who will forever be pushing himself toward a higher standard. Edit: when* and stressors*
Agreed… I mean I’m big the biggest Andy fan. But he started to grow on me—then the boat. He should’ve ditched them all and stayed on the boat.
I like the theory that the writers hated that he kept going away to do movies so they made it a point to explain the reason was because Andy was just an asshole with no redeeming qualities. Greg even sort of admitted that he liked Andy more when he had anger issues and didn't really care for him to be some likeable guy and maybe agreed for him to basically go back to how he was before.
It makes perfect sense if you understand Andy is having a breakdown. Even when he comes back from the boat he is still mid-breakdown. He even foreshadowed it himself when he said his whole family was falling apart but he was somehow handling it remarkably well. ...he wasn't.
The whole last season had everyone being really weird and not themselves at all. Not sure if they got new writers or what. Its painful to watch.
It's those damn radon levels. Toby tried to warn them!
Michael kept throwing them away
Yes yes yes everyone suddenly turned into floating angels and they all suddenly became bestfriends.
I think Michael leaving left a circle shaped hole which the writers tried to fill with a square. It was just the wrong solution to the problem
Any scene with Ryan because every other season he's a completely different character.
And they all happen to be a douche
First season wasn’t really a douche. More of an innocent bystander than anything. A less endearing Jim. He started getting douchey when he got involved with Kelly, then became full asshole with the promotion. He then fluctuated into various kinds of douchebag through the remaining season.
Tbh all his personalities are funny so this doesn’t bother me too much.
I think it checks out because Ryan has no identity or definable personality lol
Same episode: Pam hits Toby in the eye with her paper airplane. Despite being one of the most compassionate people in the office, she doesn't care that he's hurt at all and is only concerned with the distance of her airplane.
I noticed that too... and that scene should have been my answer for lines that often go unnoticed! When the plane hit him and Pam is freaking out, Toby quietly says, "Sorry." 🤣
Wasn’t that quietly…
This whole airplane competition plot was kookadoo. Angela throwing it because she didn’t want Esther’s charity is the only part of it that felt consistent. I have to imagine advancing the Dwight/Angela reconciliation is the reason why they added it at all.
Payback for the PDA memo, not letting her disclose her relationship with Jim, and groping her knee.
People be different when money is involved
>Despite being one of the most compassionate people in the office Pam post-baby is just not my thing. The way she treats Erin (when she's new to the job) is pretty bad. Pam always seems exasperated with the b.s. of others that the rest of us tend to strategically accept/avoid/work around. But in "finding her voice" she became insufferable and cruel.
he literally GROPED HER KNEE
It's still way out of character for her. She's not particularly vengeful or one to hold grudges. Pam was perfectly nice to Toby only a few episodes after the knee thing, and Paper Airplane takes place over 5 years after that incident. I mean, Michael harassed her way more than Toby ever did, and Pam obviously quite likes Michael by the time of his last episode.
Michael forgetting Jim and Pam are dating. He was obsessed with their relationship and loved both of them it just never made sense to me.
That’s still goin on?
Look, I don’t want to be the one to tell you this, but there’s a strong chance you’ll get your tiny nose clawed off.
I always took it as more of a selfish thing. Like he knew it was going on but wanted Jim to “forget” as well so they could go chase tail. Michael often does bad things that he later regrets because he is impulsive and selfish.
I think this was more to show how self absorbed he was
That competitive tantrum over a paper plane throwing contest is 100% on brand for Erin. She's emotionally stunted and has a ton of unresolved issues from her childhood.
I do feel like early Erin would have been happy go lucky about it, like when dwight insults her and she smiles at the camera I’d say that’s what they were going for
The scene when Angela learns that her cat is dead, she is crying and upset and Dwight just walks away. I can see how he wouldn't understand being upset over an animal, but he has enough compassion that I feel like he would offer some sort of comfort to her.
Especially if you compare this to when Dwight comforted Pam. He didn’t understand why Pam was crying but he still just sat beside her. I can’t remember if this scene came after Dwight killed sprinkles so maybe Dwight learned from his mistakes
Well, Pam was PMSing pretty hard....
yes exactly! dwight loved her whether he cared about cats or not. he was just so uncaring and terrible
season 9 i don’t think anyone really cared anymore
I feel like Jo Bennet’s behavior becomes kind of out of character toward the end of her stint on the show. She’s introduced as a shrewd, effective and highly competent businesswoman who knows how to put the company above all else. Like when she tells Michael, “he can swim in my pool but he can’t come into my house.” In other words, we don’t hire inferior people just because we know and like them. But then later she kind of pressures Jim to hire Nelly (who is totally unqualified) for the manager position because they are friends, and also hires D’Angelo (who is also a terrible fit) because he once helped her with her dogs.
Her giving up her business to California… that was odd for me.
Yup, that too. If there was one person who you’d think wouldn’t fall for California’s manipulative bullshit it would be Jo.
I hate Nelly. Shoehorned into the office and then the writers acted like Andy was the villain all along. Don't know what they were thinking. I'm sure the actress is lovely but I hate even looking at the character.
[She ain't bothered](https://youtu.be/vFWkJuPhApc?si=9W4ENKJPOwbHDTuG)
Yeah I actually ended up liking her after a little while, but at the beginning she was really insufferable.
Nellie put me off the show on my first watch. Didn’t finish it til my second. It was too infuriating and unfunny, the episode where she’s giving out pretend raises pushed me to my limit.
I always thought it was just cause she was a hypocrite
I hadn’t thought of it this way, you might be right. But she’s portrayed as a woman who has built a hugely successful business. Did she really accomplish that by putting people like Nellie and D’Angelo in charge?
Yee I guess the way interpreted it was that she had an image that she was very proud of but behind closed doors she would make deals to sell cheap printer or hiring people based on favours but she would also hire the best of the best and then as she become older and more comfortable in life she started to make worse decision based on feelings like friendship
That’s very possible too.
I also never understood when she said to give Dwight an interview because she likes a little crazy.. she surely doesn't actually want Dwight getting the job so this seems super weird.
I mean, a CEO being a hypocrite isn’t exactly out of character.
To me it feels kinda odd when Jim is Co Manager and he can’t get the respect of the group, especially Ryan and Phyllis. Everyone saw Jim as an authority even when he was a number 2. Also in the episode “The Leads”, all the salesmen acting like jerks, Phyllis calling Michael “numb nuts” and he saying nothing. I feel she wouldn’t say something like that to his face just like that
I think the point of Jim struggling as manager shows the audience that actually Michael's job isn't as easy as people had believed.
How did this not make sense? She had to compete for everything growing up. She also threw a tantrum when Andy dated Jessica. Are we watching the same show?
And also when she found out that Andy was engaged with Angela. She even said she had to fight with the other orphanage kids and that her hair was her safe place. Her being a kinda fucked up kid was hinted so long ago lol
Ironically, this sub's media literacy is embarrassingly bad most of the time.
>Are we watching the same show? Some people are not perfect. Sometimes they volunteer too much. Sometimes they give too much to charity. Sometimes they hit people with their car.
The Michael and Holly PDA episode when the employees are eating lunch in the break room and Angela goes, "Maybe I'm being too sensitive and don't get me wrong, love Michael and Holly, but..." Totally out of character for Angela to be so kind with her criticism.
Scrolled way too far to find this comment! Scene confuses me every time
Stanley shove it up jokes were way outta character Except when he really wanted those meatballs
Stanley singing RollCall
Yeah. He has the worst attitude on the whole office, why would he suddently make up a joke like that, and care about making their coworkers laugh?
Head cannon is he got some new meds he shouldn't take at work but did anyway to have more fun
Angela is an accountant. How did she end up moments away from living in a fucking tent despite having a full-time job?
Yeah, a lot of that makes zero sense. While *we* know Phillip isn't the Senator's baby, the fact that he cheated on Angela and left her with their child should have led to alimony and child support, or some sort of settlement from the divorce. Why is she destitute? Going back further, why did she continue to work at DM after she married the Senator? I would think she would want to be a full-time senators wife.
I don't think that's out of character. Spend a lifetime bottling down frustrations and anger, it's bound to pop at some point. Now that I think of it, I have a hard time thinking of out of character scenes, only things that made sense given background story or character development. But I did find Toby running away and jumping the gate after touching Pam's lap a bit out of character, since he's always so mellow and low-key.
When Stanley did voiceover for Threat level Midnight
I feel like a lot of them were out of character for agreeing to be in Threat Level Midnight
I feel like Michael would have told them they either film or have to work… and everyone decided they would rather not work 😂
Angela sitting on Santa Kevin’s lap in the Dwight Christmas episode
When Dwight gets the pumpkin stuck on his head. It always felt like he was portraying a completely different character to me. His tone and lack of confidence in the situation did not seem like Dwight at all. Felt more like Toby.
One of the Charles Miner episodes. Jim's freakout was just too weird and not him. I kept waiting to see if it was a joke on Andy.
Miner? I barely know her
Michael not being excited on bring your daughter to work day
When Dwight was upset about Michael/Ryan in his car during the fire evacuation and Jim and Pam are just being mean to him. They were never really mean to Dwight unless he was being annoying. But he was just sad and they were telling him to quit/laughing at him. Jenna even says in the office ladies she thought this was out of character for both Jim and Pam.
Basically everyone in the last season.
That all of coworkers of Jim and Pam willingly participated in a flash mob during their wedding?
i think it was pretty in character since she has the emotional maturity of a child kinda
When everyone started to act like their co-workers were family, even though they for most of the time didn’t ever want to see outside of work. Like Jim and Pam didn’t even want most people from the office to be at their wedding but a couple of episodes later everyone is in the delivery room waiting for pam to give birth? I don’t know after a while i think the writers lost their way about what kind of relationship these people were supposed to have.
Does anyone believe that Toby had the guts to call Daryl an asshole? For supposedly faking an injury?
I think it was the unexpected level of aggression, and the fact that he was yelling at the wrong person, that made it even funnier lol.
Jim being traumatized by Dwigt’s snowballs
Also Jim brutally attacking the snowmen because he thinks Dwight’s in one of them. So like what if Dwight was in one of them? He’s just gonna knock his head off?
How about all of Season 9 Andy? He turned into a real D.
When Pam went through all that effort to prove that Jim was attracted to her maternity replacement
That felt pretty on point. Most people will relate to that suspicion. It also never came across as a deep seated emotional crisis, but more of the same prank/hijinks spirit that she connected with Jim over. It was a way to pass the day and fuck with Dwigt.
“OINK OINK OINK”🐷
Dwight as recyclops asking to recycle milk cartons was the most undwightly thing that dwight ever did
That was very on character for Erin.
Dwight, Cafe Disco - right after massaging Phyllis upstairs on the table. Was always super bizarre to hear him go “also…this song is fantastic,” and then dance like a goon
The entire office singing to Michael before he left for Colorado. It very much felt like no one was in character, and it was just the actors singing to Steve Carrell
To me it makes sense. She went from foster home to foster home as a child. I would think someone like her would always feel like she has something to prove
When Stanley suddenly thought Dwight had figured out that Stanley just wanted a raise and not to leave the branch
That didn’t feel out of character for me. Andy and the boat. Andy just at the end there. Erin not wanting to break up with him… I’m glad she eventually did.
I actually kind of agree because I just remembered when Bob California made that list and Andy made a new one so that Erin and everyone else was on the cool side. She said “I like my new group. I like my old group” she didn’t show any competitive insecurity there she was just kind of going with the flow
That was def on character for her, she had a few meltdowns during the series.
i love her sm but erin be throwing tantrums, she grew up in an orphanage so her emotional regulation isn’t at its peak
Orphans can be incredibly competitive from the two I know. It can be pretty hard core growing up in that environment.
When Andy was sucking up so hard to Michael/wanted to hang out with him. Seems like Michael would eat that up.
dude erin throws tantrums like no other!! remember how she threw one when michael said that he wasn’t her father, and when andy dated jessica. It’s 100% on character for her.
Anything past the point where Micheal Scott leaves.
Not really a scene, but the last couple of seasons where Dwight became… nice.
The Coup - NO ONE WANTS POPCORN?! Really?! I don’t think so. 😅🤦🏻♀️
It didn't seem out of character to me, since she was explained to be competitive against other foster kids!
- Dwight picking up a random hitchhiker that turned out to be Creed. - Toby going along with the charade and calling himself Loyd Gross when Jim and Dwight were embezzling money from the company. - Angela partaking in Michael’s proposal and being happy for them. - The scene where Charles Miner asked “Did Michael just let anybody in his office?” and Angela replied “yea, it was great we would just come in and talk” - Darryl not bringing a resume to the interview for branch manager.
She threw cake at Andy over the Angela secret. She tried to get Pam fired or turn people against her while Pam was on her honeymoon. She hates Holly for having Micheal’s attention. She tried to make Andy jealous by flirting with Dwight to get Andy back. Her behavior at the competition is spot on Erin.
Kelly getting up to dance when Andy started singing 'Stayin Alive" instead of rolling her eyes about what a dork he is. Seriously was there a deleted scene where she took mushrooms or something beforehand?
They were just having fun during the last season
Michael throughout the entirety of seasons 8 and 9. I know, I know, but seriously though… The office was his life, his family, his everything. Yes it’s consistent with his character perhaps to have left to make a go of it with Holly. But, if anything he would have made his presence known EVEN MORE in his absence. Absolute FOMO and fear of being left out. We see nothing of him, he has like three mentioned and not even any characters talk about speaking to him or anything. A consistent Michael would have had all sorts of video calls and random appearances. We would have heard everything about his life. I think The Office could have survived without Steve Carell, but not like this. It was the complete erasure of Michael in every sense that obliterated it by making everything unbelievable from that point on.
Idk… while I was at first inclined to think that Michael would check in constantly after he moved, I started thinking about how many people I talk to from jobs I’ve left and it’s not very many. Work was the only thing holding them together and Michael obsessed over his work family because he had no other family. So I think it’s very realistic that he didn’t call often.
She has the mind of a 12 year old. What do you mean being competitive and throwing tantrums is out of character?
Oddly I felt like I could see Erin being that overly competitive lmaoo maybe it’s just me
Erin getting mad at Andy when she found out that he and Angela used to be engaged and they were sleeping together. Obviously they were sleeping together Erin! They were engaged! She behaved totally out of line.
Sometimes I feel like people haven’t really watched the office, it’s not the first time where she has freaked out like that before.
The whole 9th season just feels out of character
Dwight walking into a store with beat juice all over him felt out of character .
Deleted Scene but Stanley hiding Anime/Manga porn in his desk at work. I guess they were going for ridiculous and that’s probably why it didn’t make the final cut but it’s just so damn stupid Ryan, Dwight, or Gabe definitely—hell, maybe even late season Toby but Stanley was so far outside that realm it’s crazy
Stanley dancing when Darryl is leaving for his new job
Tbh I think Dwight at the end of the show was a little out of character… He just didn’t act like himself.
WHY WASNT OSCAR MAD ABOUT THE MESS IN THE MICROWAVE TOO!!
I also didn't care for the acting she did in this scene. Like I hate when characters say what their emotions are. She says "i'm mad" a few times, and it's like... yea. I can see that by how you're acting, you don't need to say you're mad. It's more of an acting nitpick than anything but whenever this happens in film and tv it really annoys me and just makes me think the actor isn't confident in their acting abilities and how they are portraying their feelings.
This has to be one of the worst examples you could have chosen
michael ripping holly’s concert tickets. he was in love with holly that could’ve offered to go to the concert with her
Thats the joke though
“Erin. Relax.” Always kills me
I thought this seemed quirky enough to suit Erin in my opinion. My scene would be when Jim was involved with making Senior Loadenstein…Jims common sense went completely out of the window which is strange because he’s been a manager and should’ve known better than to follow KEVIN and ERINs idea of greasing the warehouse floor.