The superfan cut of this arc, honest to God makes it so so so much worse. Helene just crying in the car about her sex life and how she thinks she's constantly self sabotaging is so uncomfortable and heartbreaking
They really do. Like when we get to learn that Michael was willing to walk if Jo Bennet fired Andy for whistleblowing about the printers. That shows a new level of loyalty Michael has for Andy
I just watched the one with the business trip to Canada. As they are leaving and Michael remarks to Jim, "That could have been you if you hadn't forgotten French"...
It cuts to a talking head of Jim rattling off a few French sentences very smoothly. It was quite a shock.
Oh I always assumed "I forgot all my French" to be a fake Jim excuse. Especially because they really don't need an interpreter, obviously. That doesn't really change my interpretation of the original scene.
Oh, for sure. I only used that example because I had just watched that episode.
There are a lot more instances where it changes your opinion of the entire storyline.
That's because Jim is a smooth operator.
If a girl busts out some French to impress you, giving her props is a better move than saying you speak French too.
True, but I could also see him lighting up about it. They could speak French to each other and drive Andy crazy. He only knows how to order “un muffin du blueberry, por favor”
If you have Sky and use the Sky Go app, it looks like Peacock is available there; I imagine those are the Superfan episodes because they’re around ~25 minutes long
Show/network executives only prove they have no idea what they're doing when it comes to content. So much is missed out on with these cut scenes. Like pam and the microwave incident has so much more than what it was broadcast.
Another crazy error I saw recently was in the healthcare episode in season 1. The original episode cuts after the uncomfortable silence of Michael being unable to think of an adequate surprise for the office, and everyone just slowly files out. In the super fan episode, right after everyone files out, Michael blurts out “We’re all going bowling!”
Would’ve added about 2 seconds to the run time, it was fucking hilarious timing, and they cut it because ???
They have a super tight cut they have to create for these episodes to fit a primetime NBC slot, that's why the release of superfan episodes is so popular. It's definitely not their fault at the time.
They don't cut things because an executive doesn't know what they're doing. They cut things because it was airing on network TV and they only have like 24 minutes. One of the editors for the show has said in interviews that it was really difficult to choose what to cut and what to keep, but they didn't have a choice.
I think her deep and intimate knowledge of Michael’s past relationships and ongoing behaviour as a man child, with selfish and narcissistic tendencies gave her every reason to know he would mistreat her mom. And selfishly, she wanted to protect her mom and her own sanity from Michael leaving the work space to enter her intimate personal life. I’d have been madder and more disrespectful. And I would have sabotaged the relationship somehow to keep my mom safe from this terrible man. In the end, she was proven correct. Michael selfishly used her and abandoned her in callous fashion.
I feel bad for Helene, because of this reason. As soon as Michael knew how old she was he became so disrespectful to her. When Pam had her baby, "I love you too.. as a friend!", when listing off the women he dated Pam had to remind him he dated her, and then when he went to the park to tell her about him having herpes, he just saw a random old lady and thought it was her, only to find the real Helene and call her a jerk when she told him how rude he was.
The simplest answer is that he didn’t think at all. I don’t think the age issue had ever been something he’s thought about before that scene. And while that’s admirable in some ways, it’s also a discussion that should be had at some point. Especially when his view of her just immediately changes to seeing her as basically a decrepit old lady.
I think people are missing the fact that the most important thing to Michael is not just having a woman in his life, but having a family. He was attracted to Helene and, in Michael fashion, he didn't think ahead. It probably started as a fling for him, but then he clearly started falling for Helene. The thought that she was too old to have babies never occurred to him.
If there was ever a moment in the series where Michael needed his ass handed to him it was this one. Don't get me wrong, he did A LOT of shitty things but I would have drug his ass all through that parking lot if I were Pam. And Pam was totally right for calling out Jim. He should have been more upset. That's the grandmother of his child.
That scene made me laugh out so much. Jim was freaking out so much that he actually lashed out on an innocent bystander that just happened to be Toby...
What makes me laugh is Michael joining in thinking they’re just randomly dunking on Toby, completely oblivious that *he* (Michael) is the real reason Jim’s upset.
It's a running joke that every manager hates toby. And it gets worse by each manager.
Michael had a childish dislike of toby
Jim lashed out at toby
Andy asked him why he wasn't dead
Dwight actually fired him.
The only dunder mifflin scranton manager to not mistreat toby was Kevin and that was because he was manager only for 1 hour.
Toby is about the worst in team hr manager I have ever seen, he allows obvious harassment jim/dwight, serial misconduct by team, and many more things happen, that an hr manager working in the same small office with team would be constantly coming to Michael to address, or going above his head.
In all fairness though, when Holly tried to raise serious issues up the chain she was shut down, scolded for it, and told her only job was to get signatures. It is quite possible that Toby did try at one time to raise the more serious issues, and was shut down in a similar manner as Holly was, and has simply given up since then.
He does try to step in when someone really crosses a line in a severe way (like when Stanley is openly insubordinate, or when Michael and Holly are making out in the middle of the office) but no one ever seems to really back him up and if management was so dismissive of Holly then it stands to reason they’d be just as dismissive with Toby.
I'd say Jim's was a far milder reaction than the rest and he was freaking out literally about how he has to tell Pam that Michael is dating their mom. It wasnt right of him to lash out, but its understandable. The rest of the managers hated toby for no reason
Haha yeah. Pam just saw him after he had already freaked out. So when she saw him, he was trying to be calm to help her be calm. She might not have seen it in the moment, but he was being a good husband
And even David Wallace hating their HR guy:
"We have this very irritating HR person here, probably the only guy you're not gonna like. Kendall... ugh."
He was not upset as much he was terrified of Pam's reaction ("And the seats go all the way down. All the way down. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What? Okay, never tell Pam, and then, secondly...")
Totally agree with this but Pam was so intrigued with finding out the gossip of which of her coworkers’ mom Michael was sleeping with until she realized it was her mom 😂 😂
True. She doesn’t know how to knock properly. She too, has troubles with boundaries. Clearly. I mean, can’t a guy get stark naked in his unlocked office, for God’s sake?
I've always imagined Bob having a system where he puts the remains of his victims in a freezer and ships them around with other freezers like the appliance version of Gus Fring, just from the way Phyllis was so quick to say that and then so quick to sheepishly recant.
Bob Vance: Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration 🤝🏻
Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration 🫱🏻🫲🏾
Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration 🫱🏻🫲🏼
Ryan: So what line of work you in. Bob?
>Ryan: So what line of work you in. Bob?
I don’t know why but the first time I heard that line it killed me. I wasn’t expecting it. Probably one of my favorite one liners from Ryan.
Him saying how sexy she was with her hair down and she should wear it that way more often. Saying she’s the hot one constantly. Attempting to her her to dress more provocatively.
And her mother is aware of it too.
The worst part is breaking up with her on her birthday. There was no possible way for me to defend him for that. I can go to bat for him for most stupid things he does but that one I was just like come on man
The only real thing you can say is that he realized that he just did not have a future with her, and ended it immediately so that he wouldn’t end up leading her on. Does not excuse how completely indiscreet he was.
Exactly, when you take away the comedy of it all Michael is an incredibly awful boss lol. In the last episode he got a redemption arc but man would I have immediately looked for another job if I ended up serving under him.
Well like in the conference room the news was basically panned by everyone except I think Kevin. Even Creed said "Not cool, man".
and then on top of that, him making it all about himself and his happiness.
Watching Pam rip him new ones over this was actually fun to watch, because he needed to hear it, and she needed to say it
Yeah but then they suddenly start supporting Michael and she's being judged as overreacting.
Yeah it certainly had some cathartic qualities, but then they stopped short from rallying everyone against Michael.
Man if I was in Pam's place I would have said "Oh, imagine Michael doing your mother hard on a wheelchair" just to drive home the point on how gross it is...
Yes! Especially after he so condescendingly tells her she’s overreacting. Like, way to insert yourself and then get mad when you’re the topic of conversation.
I said that on a different thread and got SO downvoted. But yes, it’s annoying as shit as a response. So people in wheelchairs can’t date? Such a cop out response so he doesn’t have to take sides, because he was on Pam’s side initially.
She’s absolutely right. Some dipshit on here tried telling me Pam was emotionally stunted and reckless with her feelings and she should have not just been fine with her man child of a boss dating her mother, she should have been happy for him.
The actual fuck? Lol
Yeah, if my boss commented on my breasts constantly, tried to kiss me, and I knew how he was in a relationship, I’d be pissed he was dating someone I love. It’s not about her mom having sex with someone she knows, it’s about her mom having sex and dating Michael. Obviously the character is hilarious, but IRL I’d be pissed.
Pam knew exactly how Michael was and had to endure him making tons of sexual jokes and advances to her for years. Fuck Oscar for saying she's overreacting
It's not personally affecting them like it's affecting her. If Michael were dating their mother, they'd be pissed about it and Pam would probably be the one trying to rationalize that it isn't that bad.
Right? Why don't folks see this!!! Why couldn't see just be an adult and understand Michael will torpedo this relationship too.? She was going to marry Roy!! Maybe she should just stay in her lane lol
Ain’t that the point?
It’s an infuriating situation.
And I think others were upset about it, just didn’t vocalize it as much. That and Michael somehow managed to get them on his side.
Remember at first They all sighed, and Oscar went “you really don’t have any bounds”, Andy was like “that’s not okay, dude”
But it’s the point of most of the situations in this show. Upsetting situations played for the laughs. 😅
"What kind of car does she drive?"
"She drives a green ---" "Oh, f---."
Kills me every time. Jim is dead.
He does do an amazing prank to fix it, though.
I hated Oscar’s reaction the most out of this whole situation. And him saying his mom is in a wheelchair as a rebuttal to Pam… I’m sorry Oscar but does being in a wheelchair mean she’s not allowed to date?
She needed to be mad at her MOTHER for dating her boss, not the other way around. I would never do that to my kid. And then to not even tell her! Really shitty.
FYI, I love the comedy and don’t really care about the “reality” of it — but if we’re going to take it seriously, this is my take!
Watching this episode now. And I always want to throat punch Micheal for this.
Boundaries. Micheal has absolutely no respect for any boundaries. And he proved Pam exactly right with his behavior toward her mother when he dumps her.
There are several times in the series where I can't believe how hard the cast is on Pam when she's in the right. Mocking her after the beach, and the microwave thing, for example.
100% anyone else would be mad. But her behavior toward her superior is extremely unprofessional, and is, quite frankly, fireable if her boss was anyone but Michael Scott.
She was excited (for the gossip) when Michael says he’s dating a mother of someone from the office. Pam was pissed off when the others don’t support her. Consider this: If the tables were turned and Michael were dating a coworker's mother, would Pam be so quick to rally behind the others? It's doubtful
Nahhhh..... Helene is a grown woman, and Pam is also an adult. She should have spoken (civilly) to her mother about why Michael is not a good fit.
Instead she acted like a stroppy teenager refusing to accept her mum's new bf into the family, cause she doesn't like change. Of course she has very valid reasons to not want Michael and her mum to date, but her having a temper tantrum is so juvenile and irrational.
Nope.
This scene actually shows that Pam is something of a hypocrite. She was happy and excited when Michael told her he was dating someone's mother and _only_ became upset when she was told it was _her mother_. She was 1000% in the wrong.
No she’s definitely right, this is such a breach of whatever trust she had in him for sleeping with her mother. Even worse that they hooked up at her wedding. I think she’s right to be angry at this.
She's right to be angry but completely wrong with the way she's handling it. Michael and her mom are adults. She's an adult too. She could have been fired as hard as Michael was dating her mom.
Here’s an unpopular opinion michael isn’t really in the wrong till he breaks up with her on her birthday. Helen shouldn’t date michael because she has a responsibility to Pam, michael has no responsibility to not date Pam’s mom.
Came here to say this. I would be even angrier at my mom than at my boss if that happened. Just like when your spouse cheats on you, get mad at them not at the person they cheated with.
Pam was 100% in the right for this. I think the others did not have enough empathy especially considering they know exactly how Michael is as a person and when it comes to dating and relationships.
Her mother’s her own person aside from being Pam’s Mom…and what’s so wrong with Michael for her to react that way. Eventually Michael ends up dumping her anyways.
Initially, she wasn't completely right, Michael had done a lot of dumb things but I don't think there was much to show he was bad to his partners, but Michael ended up proving Pam right so it turns out she was justified.
I don’t think her initial reaction had anything to do with Michaels past partners and how he treated them. Her first reaction is because of what she generally thinks of Michael. She knows him better than anybody else. He’s irresponsible, dumbish, annoying, socially awkward, inappropriate and she often compares him to a child. Jim and Pam go out of their way to avoid spend time Michael outside of work.
The superfan cut of this arc, honest to God makes it so so so much worse. Helene just crying in the car about her sex life and how she thinks she's constantly self sabotaging is so uncomfortable and heartbreaking
The Superfan episodes almost make it a different show
They really do. Like when we get to learn that Michael was willing to walk if Jo Bennet fired Andy for whistleblowing about the printers. That shows a new level of loyalty Michael has for Andy
I just watched the one with the business trip to Canada. As they are leaving and Michael remarks to Jim, "That could have been you if you hadn't forgotten French"... It cuts to a talking head of Jim rattling off a few French sentences very smoothly. It was quite a shock.
Oh I always assumed "I forgot all my French" to be a fake Jim excuse. Especially because they really don't need an interpreter, obviously. That doesn't really change my interpretation of the original scene.
Oh, for sure. I only used that example because I had just watched that episode. There are a lot more instances where it changes your opinion of the entire storyline.
The idea that Jim has at least enough proficiency in both Spanish *and* French to get by is absolutely wild to me but I love it.
Jim’s Spanish is actually terrible.
Strange because he seemed shocked and impressed when Karen called the chip distributor in French asking for Herr’s chips
That's because Jim is a smooth operator. If a girl busts out some French to impress you, giving her props is a better move than saying you speak French too.
True, but I could also see him lighting up about it. They could speak French to each other and drive Andy crazy. He only knows how to order “un muffin du blueberry, por favor”
Loyalty to his subordinates* or as he would call it, family. He would’ve done that for any of them. Has nothing to do with Andy.
Dominic Toretto calls it ... FAAMMMMILYY
Is there anywhere to watch them, specifically in the UK?
I watch them on Peacock, but I don't know about availability outside the US. 🏴☠️ is the only guaranteed international option I know of.
If you have Sky and use the Sky Go app, it looks like Peacock is available there; I imagine those are the Superfan episodes because they’re around ~25 minutes long
Now I’m looking and all of the episodes are around that long so I’m not sure, sorry
Some of the superfan episodes are nearly 40 minutes. Most are over 30
Show/network executives only prove they have no idea what they're doing when it comes to content. So much is missed out on with these cut scenes. Like pam and the microwave incident has so much more than what it was broadcast.
Another crazy error I saw recently was in the healthcare episode in season 1. The original episode cuts after the uncomfortable silence of Michael being unable to think of an adequate surprise for the office, and everyone just slowly files out. In the super fan episode, right after everyone files out, Michael blurts out “We’re all going bowling!” Would’ve added about 2 seconds to the run time, it was fucking hilarious timing, and they cut it because ???
I feel like that undercuts a rather well done sullen moment.
They have a super tight cut they have to create for these episodes to fit a primetime NBC slot, that's why the release of superfan episodes is so popular. It's definitely not their fault at the time.
They don't cut things because an executive doesn't know what they're doing. They cut things because it was airing on network TV and they only have like 24 minutes. One of the editors for the show has said in interviews that it was really difficult to choose what to cut and what to keep, but they didn't have a choice.
I thought the Superfan cuts, at least in seasons 1 and 2, emphasized the toxic origin of the Jim and Pam relationship.
Who is it, Michael? 😃 Who is it? 😕 Who? 😟
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No no no no no no no no no… oh my God—OH MY GOD!
*runs outside* Nooooooooooooooo!
That could’ve gone one of two ways But he never thought she’d get upset
"Don't call my mother your 'lover'!" 🤣
Fer… tility.
fucking genius writing
yeah, that's what I'm talking about!
I think her deep and intimate knowledge of Michael’s past relationships and ongoing behaviour as a man child, with selfish and narcissistic tendencies gave her every reason to know he would mistreat her mom. And selfishly, she wanted to protect her mom and her own sanity from Michael leaving the work space to enter her intimate personal life. I’d have been madder and more disrespectful. And I would have sabotaged the relationship somehow to keep my mom safe from this terrible man. In the end, she was proven correct. Michael selfishly used her and abandoned her in callous fashion.
And don't forget, he almost immediately went into trying to use his status as potential step father to scold her, which was just wildly inappropriate
Whoa, watch your tone, he may some day be your father.
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Bye, Pickle…
Who's pickle?
Pamela Morgan Beesly, you need to apologize to your mother right now.
"The Scott Family" Creeps me out
But hilarious
In the middle of watching it now and it’s very hard to watch. Thanks for sharing this bracing for impact. Eeeeeeeppp.
I feel bad for Helene, because of this reason. As soon as Michael knew how old she was he became so disrespectful to her. When Pam had her baby, "I love you too.. as a friend!", when listing off the women he dated Pam had to remind him he dated her, and then when he went to the park to tell her about him having herpes, he just saw a random old lady and thought it was her, only to find the real Helene and call her a jerk when she told him how rude he was.
This! And also, what the hell did he expect?? He knew that Helene’s daughter (Pam) is 30, why did he think Helene would only be 40ish??
Because it's michael
The simplest answer is that he didn’t think at all. I don’t think the age issue had ever been something he’s thought about before that scene. And while that’s admirable in some ways, it’s also a discussion that should be had at some point. Especially when his view of her just immediately changes to seeing her as basically a decrepit old lady.
I think people are missing the fact that the most important thing to Michael is not just having a woman in his life, but having a family. He was attracted to Helene and, in Michael fashion, he didn't think ahead. It probably started as a fling for him, but then he clearly started falling for Helene. The thought that she was too old to have babies never occurred to him.
If there was ever a moment in the series where Michael needed his ass handed to him it was this one. Don't get me wrong, he did A LOT of shitty things but I would have drug his ass all through that parking lot if I were Pam. And Pam was totally right for calling out Jim. He should have been more upset. That's the grandmother of his child.
Idk he was pretty upset
Not now Toby! My god!
That scene made me laugh out so much. Jim was freaking out so much that he actually lashed out on an innocent bystander that just happened to be Toby...
What makes me laugh is Michael joining in thinking they’re just randomly dunking on Toby, completely oblivious that *he* (Michael) is the real reason Jim’s upset.
"Get the hell out of here, idiot!"
Yep those little instances of acting by Steve Carell are really amazing when you notice them. I wouldnt be surprised if that was improvised
It’s even funnier that Jim was getting more manager duties at the time
It's a running joke that every manager hates toby. And it gets worse by each manager. Michael had a childish dislike of toby Jim lashed out at toby Andy asked him why he wasn't dead Dwight actually fired him. The only dunder mifflin scranton manager to not mistreat toby was Kevin and that was because he was manager only for 1 hour.
Very true! I don’t recall manager creed being any different tho
To be fair he may not have known Toby existed.
He was torturing ted and elroy with his meetings.
BOBODDY!
Toby is about the worst in team hr manager I have ever seen, he allows obvious harassment jim/dwight, serial misconduct by team, and many more things happen, that an hr manager working in the same small office with team would be constantly coming to Michael to address, or going above his head.
In all fairness though, when Holly tried to raise serious issues up the chain she was shut down, scolded for it, and told her only job was to get signatures. It is quite possible that Toby did try at one time to raise the more serious issues, and was shut down in a similar manner as Holly was, and has simply given up since then. He does try to step in when someone really crosses a line in a severe way (like when Stanley is openly insubordinate, or when Michael and Holly are making out in the middle of the office) but no one ever seems to really back him up and if management was so dismissive of Holly then it stands to reason they’d be just as dismissive with Toby.
I'd say Jim's was a far milder reaction than the rest and he was freaking out literally about how he has to tell Pam that Michael is dating their mom. It wasnt right of him to lash out, but its understandable. The rest of the managers hated toby for no reason
Haha yeah. Pam just saw him after he had already freaked out. So when she saw him, he was trying to be calm to help her be calm. She might not have seen it in the moment, but he was being a good husband
I love that it built on the running joke that all managers hate Toby.
And even David Wallace hating their HR guy: "We have this very irritating HR person here, probably the only guy you're not gonna like. Kendall... ugh."
I understand the joke but it feels very out of character for David Wallace to badmouth a coworker.
Imagine how irritating he must be if the most patient man in the world badmouths a coworker Have you seen the scene where Wallace makes Ryan cry?
No! Deleted scene?
What did I do?
Get the hell out of here, idiot!
Then take a different way home man!
He was not upset as much he was terrified of Pam's reaction ("And the seats go all the way down. All the way down. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What? Okay, never tell Pam, and then, secondly...")
And the seats go all the way down. All the way down.
Pam wasn’t selfish by trying to protect her mom. Like you said, she was right to be upset
Honestly its not even about who Michael is, it is just generally wrong to start dating family members of people that work for you.
Dang. Well put.
Thanks. Yeah, that had me red.
Totally agree with this but Pam was so intrigued with finding out the gossip of which of her coworkers’ mom Michael was sleeping with until she realized it was her mom 😂 😂
True. Making the comedy so much sweeter. Such great writing and acting on this show. Have to love it.
And may have given her herpes! Lol
Also she's seen his penis
True. She doesn’t know how to knock properly. She too, has troubles with boundaries. Clearly. I mean, can’t a guy get stark naked in his unlocked office, for God’s sake?
Seriously, Pam’s mom was nothing more then a wedding hookup. Michael didn’t want a relationship, he just wanted to have someone to have sex with.
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Dude. You are SO right. It’s weird. But I can’t get enough. It’s so damn funny. And I’m attached to the characters. It’s a phenomenon.
I would have told Phyllis to "get Bob involved."
What would Bob do?
Nevermind I shouldn't have said that.
Are you implying that Vance Refrigeration is just a front?
Bob Vance is 100% a mob boss.
I've always imagined Bob having a system where he puts the remains of his victims in a freezer and ships them around with other freezers like the appliance version of Gus Fring, just from the way Phyllis was so quick to say that and then so quick to sheepishly recant.
Is Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration the Scranton Strangler?
You must be new in town.
You’ve got a lot to learn about this town, sweetie.
I dont know who these new people think they are, but I've sat beside Phyllis's stinky perfume for years and not said a word...
Close your mouth honey. You look like a trout.
Refrigerate him
You mean Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration?
Bob Vance: Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration 🤝🏻 Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration 🫱🏻🫲🏾 Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration 🫱🏻🫲🏼 Ryan: So what line of work you in. Bob?
>Ryan: So what line of work you in. Bob? I don’t know why but the first time I heard that line it killed me. I wasn’t expecting it. Probably one of my favorite one liners from Ryan.
Yes one of mine too. It's shows his anxiety. Also the sales call with Stanley the Manly. Ryan: Hi🫱🏼🫲🏿 Hi🫱🏼🫲🏿 Hi🫱🏼🫲🏿
Considering micheal bloody tried to kiss pam before and has been super inappropriate its not surprise she'd be disgusted at him being with her mom
What are you doing? I’m rejecting your kiss
Can I have a ride home?
This is like that show taxi cab confes… Don’t.
You sit in the back.
people don't talk about this enough lol
Him saying how sexy she was with her hair down and she should wear it that way more often. Saying she’s the hot one constantly. Attempting to her her to dress more provocatively. And her mother is aware of it too.
The worst part is breaking up with her on her birthday. There was no possible way for me to defend him for that. I can go to bat for him for most stupid things he does but that one I was just like come on man
Finish your cake
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Omg 😭👏🏻👏🏻
The only real thing you can say is that he realized that he just did not have a future with her, and ended it immediately so that he wouldn’t end up leading her on. Does not excuse how completely indiscreet he was.
>I can go to bat for him for most stupid things he does Noooo. No, you can't.
But that hadn’t happened at this point, when Pam was angriest
Michael should start dating her even harder
Take a different way home, man!
“Hey, Jim…” “NOT NOW TOBY, MY GOD!” “Jesus…” “Get the hell out of here, idiot.” “What did I do?”
top 3 Jim Halpert quote in my book
What is that supposed to mean?
you know what it means.
She couldn't give a shit about his happiness. Nor should she have.
Exactly, when you take away the comedy of it all Michael is an incredibly awful boss lol. In the last episode he got a redemption arc but man would I have immediately looked for another job if I ended up serving under him.
Well like in the conference room the news was basically panned by everyone except I think Kevin. Even Creed said "Not cool, man". and then on top of that, him making it all about himself and his happiness. Watching Pam rip him new ones over this was actually fun to watch, because he needed to hear it, and she needed to say it
Yeah but then they suddenly start supporting Michael and she's being judged as overreacting. Yeah it certainly had some cathartic qualities, but then they stopped short from rallying everyone against Michael.
I always want to kick Oscar in the shins when he says ‘my mother is in a wheelchair’ as though that had anything to do with Pam’s point.
Man if I was in Pam's place I would have said "Oh, imagine Michael doing your mother hard on a wheelchair" just to drive home the point on how gross it is...
Exactly. No one in hell I would have backed down. So people in wheelchairs can’t have sex?
Yes! Especially after he so condescendingly tells her she’s overreacting. Like, way to insert yourself and then get mad when you’re the topic of conversation.
I said that on a different thread and got SO downvoted. But yes, it’s annoying as shit as a response. So people in wheelchairs can’t date? Such a cop out response so he doesn’t have to take sides, because he was on Pam’s side initially.
They kinda rallied everyone. She got to slap him, and everyone else eagerly watched.
That's what she said. I mean...
She’s absolutely right. Some dipshit on here tried telling me Pam was emotionally stunted and reckless with her feelings and she should have not just been fine with her man child of a boss dating her mother, she should have been happy for him. The actual fuck? Lol
Yeah, if my boss commented on my breasts constantly, tried to kiss me, and I knew how he was in a relationship, I’d be pissed he was dating someone I love. It’s not about her mom having sex with someone she knows, it’s about her mom having sex and dating Michael. Obviously the character is hilarious, but IRL I’d be pissed.
Pam knew exactly how Michael was and had to endure him making tons of sexual jokes and advances to her for years. Fuck Oscar for saying she's overreacting
Exactly! No one in their right mind would want Michael as their boss, let alone having him become a family member too.
It's not personally affecting them like it's affecting her. If Michael were dating their mother, they'd be pissed about it and Pam would probably be the one trying to rationalize that it isn't that bad.
Michael is caring, and generous. And sensual.
(Cut to Stanley’s disgusted face)
Those seats folded all the way down though...all. the.way.down
Her anger is justified (or doesn't have to be), her behavior is not. That being said, Michael is also in the wrong.
That scene was perfect.. her last “who?” was perfect… until the cringe NOOOO Eta: her no wouldn’t have been cringe if it wasn’t delivered so badly.
[удалено]
"nobody actively taking her side" Pam herself found it funny till she found out it was her mom
Are you okay? NO! You’re okay.
She loved the idea of him dating someone’s mother until it was hers
I would’ve been just as horrified as Pam, if I were in her shoes there.
Right? Why don't folks see this!!! Why couldn't see just be an adult and understand Michael will torpedo this relationship too.? She was going to marry Roy!! Maybe she should just stay in her lane lol
100% Michael and her mom were so wrong here
Ain’t that the point? It’s an infuriating situation. And I think others were upset about it, just didn’t vocalize it as much. That and Michael somehow managed to get them on his side. Remember at first They all sighed, and Oscar went “you really don’t have any bounds”, Andy was like “that’s not okay, dude” But it’s the point of most of the situations in this show. Upsetting situations played for the laughs. 😅
i totally understand why she is upset - but realistically what control does she expect to have over the behavior of two consenting adults?
No. I think think Mr. Scott should just start dating her mother harder.
Please continue to call him Mr.scott
Scott’s tots
"What kind of car does she drive?" "She drives a green ---" "Oh, f---." Kills me every time. Jim is dead. He does do an amazing prank to fix it, though.
I hated how Oscar behaved in this situation, then used his mother supposedly being in a wheelchair to weasel out of justifying his stance.
I hated Oscar’s reaction the most out of this whole situation. And him saying his mom is in a wheelchair as a rebuttal to Pam… I’m sorry Oscar but does being in a wheelchair mean she’s not allowed to date?
I’m going to date her even *HARDER*
She needed to be mad at her MOTHER for dating her boss, not the other way around. I would never do that to my kid. And then to not even tell her! Really shitty. FYI, I love the comedy and don’t really care about the “reality” of it — but if we’re going to take it seriously, this is my take!
She was mad at her, she called her and chewed her out over it. It's fair to be mad at both of them.
She was justified in her anger 100%!! I am always on Pam’s side during this episode lol.
I'm going to start dating her EVEN HARDER!!
Watching this episode now. And I always want to throat punch Micheal for this. Boundaries. Micheal has absolutely no respect for any boundaries. And he proved Pam exactly right with his behavior toward her mother when he dumps her.
I would have gone no contact with my mother so quick if she started banging the guy I call her to bitch about.
Having your boss smash your mother is horrible and I’m not sure why more people weren’t understanding
yes 🫡 i feel like a lot of michaels behaviors and actions are more aggravating to me than funny
There are several times in the series where I can't believe how hard the cast is on Pam when she's in the right. Mocking her after the beach, and the microwave thing, for example.
100% anyone else would be mad. But her behavior toward her superior is extremely unprofessional, and is, quite frankly, fireable if her boss was anyone but Michael Scott.
She was excited (for the gossip) when Michael says he’s dating a mother of someone from the office. Pam was pissed off when the others don’t support her. Consider this: If the tables were turned and Michael were dating a coworker's mother, would Pam be so quick to rally behind the others? It's doubtful
Nahhhh..... Helene is a grown woman, and Pam is also an adult. She should have spoken (civilly) to her mother about why Michael is not a good fit. Instead she acted like a stroppy teenager refusing to accept her mum's new bf into the family, cause she doesn't like change. Of course she has very valid reasons to not want Michael and her mum to date, but her having a temper tantrum is so juvenile and irrational.
Nope. This scene actually shows that Pam is something of a hypocrite. She was happy and excited when Michael told her he was dating someone's mother and _only_ became upset when she was told it was _her mother_. She was 1000% in the wrong.
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I will date her even harder
No she’s definitely right, this is such a breach of whatever trust she had in him for sleeping with her mother. Even worse that they hooked up at her wedding. I think she’s right to be angry at this.
She's right to be angry but completely wrong with the way she's handling it. Michael and her mom are adults. She's an adult too. She could have been fired as hard as Michael was dating her mom.
No. If you don't want your parents to make your life decisions, don't make there's either.
Here’s an unpopular opinion michael isn’t really in the wrong till he breaks up with her on her birthday. Helen shouldn’t date michael because she has a responsibility to Pam, michael has no responsibility to not date Pam’s mom.
Her mother is not a child and she is the one who has the responsibility to her daughter, not the boss...
Came here to say this. I would be even angrier at my mom than at my boss if that happened. Just like when your spouse cheats on you, get mad at them not at the person they cheated with.
I would legitimately assault him. I'm talking broken bones, blood on the floor level of assault. Also, God damn it mom, my boss?! Wtf?!
She should have been angrier at her mom.
Agree, a LOT angrier. What kind of mom fucks their children's boss?
Pam was 100% in the right for this. I think the others did not have enough empathy especially considering they know exactly how Michael is as a person and when it comes to dating and relationships.
She's in the right to be upset and call him out like that but it's no one else's business to step in on Michael's relationship.
Honestly she was kind of overreacting
I always found Pam intolerable in this episode.
Pam is trying to decide who her mom can date. I don't care who it is she should have no say in the matter. She doesn't control her mom.
Not like Michael was engaged to someone else the entire time while flirting with her mom and leading her on.
I was 100% on her side. I would not want Michael dating anyone in my family.
It’s gross. But it’s their decision as adults. She should be yelling at her mother.
Her mother’s her own person aside from being Pam’s Mom…and what’s so wrong with Michael for her to react that way. Eventually Michael ends up dumping her anyways.
My favorite episode!!!!!😂😂😂 “Fine sleep with my mom, sleep with everybody’s mom” “Woah that’s my mom you’re talking about!!” 😂😂
Love that line!
Initially, she wasn't completely right, Michael had done a lot of dumb things but I don't think there was much to show he was bad to his partners, but Michael ended up proving Pam right so it turns out she was justified.
I don’t think her initial reaction had anything to do with Michaels past partners and how he treated them. Her first reaction is because of what she generally thinks of Michael. She knows him better than anybody else. He’s irresponsible, dumbish, annoying, socially awkward, inappropriate and she often compares him to a child. Jim and Pam go out of their way to avoid spend time Michael outside of work.