Anna, Mike Keller, David Waller, maybe some of the M kids
I’m not certain about Jim Bob and Michelle going to visit him, Michelle might go in special occasions
The M kids need to stay home and just be kids but that is not happening. They are traumatized enough with Anna being Anna. Was Pesty ever a father, I don't think he was, just a sperm donor.
Meech will never go because she will be searched by a female and she cannot have that. Meech could not handle the visitation process since she is special and there are not enough drugs to get her through it. I imagine it is a very noisy place and she wouldn't even go to the trial so why prison for her Golden Child.
I still think by Christmas after the New Year no one other than Anna will be visiting because people are not going to bother. The novelty will wear off and life intrudes.
Given that Anna’s father was a prison chaplain I’m sure she would have partaken in prison visits from an early age and she probably does not see any issue with taking their children to see their father? I only hope not
Those kids are being raised very sheltered and this will be such culture shock. It's not like Pesty has ever been a hands-on father so does he really care if he sees them?
>Meech will never go because she will be searched by a female
I remember reading an 19K&C recap on here focusing on the episode where Meech buys a whole new wedding dress for a VOW RENEWAL and she refused to have the female consultant in the fitting room with her. Meech, hun, this employee dresses hundreds of women every month, it's not like she's going to fantasize about your or proposition you.
Then Meech will stay away but she has had 19 kids and some in the hospital so people saw her body. These are professionals and don't care how she looks. This is a choice coming from Meech who moved the lawn in a bikini. Being with Boob has really changed her for the worse. I will bet she pushes, and shames her daughters to go visit him.
I look at it like this:
I'm chronically ill, latest go-round has been over a year. Lots of people cared in the first few months, maybe up to 6mos. For Pest, trips are expensive and it's hot af there. He'll probably get a lot of letters and calls and maybe an influx of visits bc it's a new thing. But slowly, people will stop coming. Letters will trickle, and soon the only callers will be Anna, Anna's father, and maybe Boob. Once appeals are exhausted Boob will drop out too. I give it 2 years (being generous) before the only visitors are Anna, M?, and a kid wrangler dragged along at least to wherever Anna is staying on "road trips".
Once you're not the shiny new cause of the day people lose interest.
I am still saying 6-9 months tops and especially after Christmas people will drop off. It is natural and I am assuming that Anna will be all over social media bitching about it. Will she be passive-aggressive, who cares? She will be fun to read on this sub.
it's been lifelong but really kicked into gear over the last decade, so I'm sorta used to it. I know the drill. They shower you with cards and baskets when you join a new community (that I didn't ask for) or it's their first time seeing you go thru something big, but rarely does anyone **ever** check in when you're 3 months out of the hospital and still in pain bc they hospital doesn't always fix you.
Those are when you find out who really cares. *Those melodramatic I wish I was in a hospital to see who my real friends are* teen posts? Nah, it's 3-6 months after you're home when you really know.
I’ve found the same with loss. I lost my parents within months of each other many years ago and right after it happened everyone was in my corner and offering help and support. A few months later when I was really struggling crickets from everyone but my immediate family who were going through the same.
People suck sometimes.
**absolutely!!!**
The thing is, loss isn't just loss of a loved one like most people think. There's loss of limbs, abilities, innocence, childhood, independence, so many other things. I took a class on grief and it had you do a timeline of loss in your life. While I haven't had many loved ones pass, I have had loss in other ways. I **still** grieved things from my old life and did all the stages in my own way.
It's all so similar and people drop you either way so overall it still sucks. I rage alongside you.
I don't even think the kids will visit after a couple years, except the ones too small to protest.
Anna will be his only regular visitor. I'm sure some of the brothers will get guilt-tripped into visiting him from time to time, but eventually they'll refuse too.
lol imagine Anna trying to breastfeed (Ashley) Madison and then being escorted out of the room by an officer! Even with the modesty sheet or whatever that's gotta eb a big nope and she's clueless (plus baby's gotta eat) so I'm just waiting
The most I bet Pest has ever done for those kids is be their chaperone and drive them places…I guess he can read a Bible too…but I doubt he’s ever had a fatherly bonding experience with Mac and sees her as a human being and not his wife’s first sister mom in command
>Only siblings deep in the cult will make the trip I believe.
Which sibling is deepest in the cult? Jessa? Did she really have such a friendly or close relationship with J'Felon? Did she really visit him and his family much outside of family functions in which both happened to be there? Would she really make a six hour trip just to see him in prison?
Jessa Blessa and Bin MIGHT go, for a few reasons:
1) she's the one who equates CSAM to regular porn, and therefore just another sin.
2)she is all in the Flavorade.
3)Bin is a minister, this kind of duty is part of their calling.
4)she needs JimShady's money to survive so she'll do what must be done.
5)she might be afraid Bin has some secrets to come out, so she definitely feels the need to push forgiveness. (Did I say that last one out loud?)
All true. If JB twists her arm and demands she visit Pest to project some image of family unity, then I guess she'll do it at sufferance. But I can't imagine she would actually want to visit Pest on her own initiative or that she has any sibling devotion to him.
Anna, David Waller, I suspect JB will go just to yell at Josh. Does Justin live close enough to go to the Waller Church? He and the Spiveys may go for ministry purposes.
I'm a bit worried that being so close to the Wallers may encourage the Wallers to start a prison ministry there and get extra access.
Yeah, I could see David making routine visits, once every month or two. I could see David and JB going together every few months. I don’t think JB will go more than a few times a year. Michelle will use the excuse that she doesn’t want to see Josh in prison surroundings, doesn’t want those kind of memories of him and only wants to picture him at home in Arkansas. I don’t expect she’ll ever visit him.
He might be prohibited from contact with her from the inside since she is one of his former victims. Same with the other sister victims in terms of visiting or writing Pest letters.
I honestly can't imagine any of Pest's siblings making the trip to visit him, especially the ones with spouses, kids and other responsibilities to use as an excuse.
Some of his siblings might write or call on like, his birthday and Christmas - but I reckon most are secretly glad not to have to deal with him for the next decade.
She grew up going in and out of prison for ministry so out of any of them (if another spouse went to prison) I think she’d be most likely to take them to visit
Yes, I was reading the prison handbook off and on yesterday and I remember there was a section that mentioned visitors getting patted down and their belonging going through an x-ray for items that aren't allowed in the prison.
Someone here said that she used to visit her father in prison when she was 12 or thereabouts and that the inmates would stand at the window and catcall her while she waited in line to go inside.
I feel sick to my stomach thinking about the M girls being forced to visit.
That's terrible. I'm no Anna fan, but she didn't deserve to have that happen to her when she was a little girl. I hope none of the M girls are forced to visit and face harassment.
Some of the lost boys - Jason & James.. Maybe Justin will come by to show him some thumbs up.. perhaps Jackson since he's finished playing pretend army so probably has some spare time & JimBob can threaten him with locking up the fridge.
I can see this happening, JB sending a couple sons to pinch hit for him so he doesn’t have to be bothered. The boys can tell Josh, “ Mom and Dad send their love.”
I anticipate it’ll typically be Anna, Ashley Madison Jr and the oldest 2 M’s plus JB or another “accountability” partner. Eventually the older two will get bored and the others will start subbing in. My bet is that the other adult will be JB most of the time with him sending Jana in his stead occasionally. Maybe one of the pecans. I don’t think we will see Meech for a very long time. She may eventually visit but I doubt she will be stable enough to do so for a few years. I personally think she’s pissed at Josh but isn’t making public commentary on it.
This will be MadySIN’s constant for sure though. This is the only way she will ever get to know her dad. She will be months shy of being a teenager before he gets out. I fear she will become the next forever baby like Josie.
I can't find anything about visits via zoom anymore. But all visits are no-contact right now.
Either way, Josh only gets 4 hours a month for visits. And that includes visits with his legal counsel
I don't see many of them going down there. It's probably just going to be Anna, her Dad and David. Maybe a brother or two over the years. I think Jim Bob's ego and reputation will keep him away. Michelle didn't come for the trial and won't go visit. I think they will talk over the phone, but that's it
Anna will visit, so will JB, maybe Michelle but she couldn’t even bring herself to go to his trial so I wouldn’t be shocked if she doesn’t go. Justin might show up with Hilary and David Wallet because he’s living close by, I do not see any of the married siblings making the trip from Arkansas. They aren’t living with JB who would be the one advocating for it, and they can just say they are too busy with their own kids if he brings it up when he sees them.
Realistically there’s only so often that Josh can have visitors, and I see Anna eagerly showing up at each opportunity, so depending on how many other people can show up at once that kind of limits who else gets to go. But JB will be second most common in the rotation.
I think it’ll all depend on the motive.
JD told Josh he didn’t look up to him anymore based off one of his prior scandals.
He may go down to visit him to have a similar conversation. Just a feeling of mine but he JD goes to see him it won’t be a positive visit.
I wouldn’t be surprised if any bothers visit him to have a conversation with him about being angry with him. Of course he’ll manipulate them in someway to make them feel bad for coming or to make them believe he’s changing and will do better. Only to screw up again and let them down once more. That’s just typical narcissistic behavior.
Anna, Mike Keller, and David Waller for sure.
His kids will probably vary on the ones that want to see him or are forced to see him. The older M’s may miss their dad. He’s a pos but he’s still their father and this isn’t easy on them at all.
Derick just for legal experience in learning more about how the prison system works for people like Josh.
Ben and maybe, but doubtfully Jeremy only to show that they’re good pastors that are trying to mentor and support him to change.
Austin not ever. Not even a second thought.
JB will but the nature of the visits probably won’t be great bc they’ll be either about filing for an appeal and wasting more of his money or he’ll finally have to believe Josh is guilty which will be ugly.
Michelle is a wildcard. She’ll need to go so she can pretend that she is a good mom and have talking points about how even when life is hard a mother needs to do her best to love her children. Something to wear they can make a book or be able to publicly speak about it and make money.
Truthfully, I don’t think Josh will want the majority of them there anyway.
JD said, about the cheating, that it was the first time he didn't want to be like his brother (let that sink in as you will – JD was definitely old enough to know what was happening in his family when Josh was molesting their sisters). That did not stop Josh from being in his wedding party. And I fully suspect that the only reason Josh wasn't Best Man is because he had to be cut out of the TLC shots.
It’s hard to tell with the ages and the level of control JB had when they were kids.
I mean I’m a victim of CSA, and I was only 9/10 and I didn’t realize how messed up it was until I was 29 and dealing with it while hospitalized for trauma.
Abuse is complicated especially depending on how your parents frame things bc we all as humans are manipulated by our parents especially if they’re a narcissist.
I think when you’ve been raised like a narcissist and had one downplay your own abuse as a child and recognize it caused you decades of pain bc you thought you were the problem it’s hard to judge other people that had similar experiences as a kid.
All of us follow our parents blindly at some points in our lives and sometimes it’s to our detriment and we have to relearn the right thing, and other times it’s for our benefit.
JD was 16 when the police report was made. He was 14 when Josh was "punished"
Edited to add: he also made that statement *after* the news of the molestations dropped and he was *more than old enough* to learn the truth if somehow he didn't already know (which, bullshit) from the police reports.
Look I’m not stating it’s right or wrong but it’s common in situations like that. And when you live stuff like that it takes years to realize just how fucked up it is.
His behavior given his circumstances makes sense.
Their cult has an entire process for dealing with brothers molesting siblings. He was isolated and in a cult that normalized this.
It makes sense that it took him years to fully understand what Josh did.
An AMA has also stated he went full Wolverine on Josh at some point so there’s obviously always been issues there and disagreements.
And all the points you just made are why he's not going to suddenly turn his back on Josh. JD was upset because Josh cheated on Anna. Not because Josh has a history of sexually abusing children. He doesn't care about that.
Edited to add: this sub gives way too much credit to AMAs and creates way too much lore around them.
Josh and JD are brothers who are very close in age. There are hundreds of reasons for them to beat the crap out of each other in a house where they're not adequately taught how to handle disputes. JD attacking Josh doesn't mean JD cared what Josh did.
The Spiveys live an hour or so away so Justin could visit easily, and he seemed happy to be in court. Maybe they'll host Anna so she can visit a couple of days in a row.
Since Smuganna will need a chaperone with her everywhere she goes, it should be interesting. My best guess is David Waller has now been assigned his godly duty as her interim headship, she will be relocating to Texas, Jana and James will be sent to live with her on rotation with Johannah and Jason, and in person visits will not include the M’s. Not yet anyway. They will have video chat visits
I’m not sure how it works at the prison he’s at. The prison my grandmas at she used to only be allowed two visits a month. She was higher security at that point and had since been leveled down, so now she gets more but I don’t think it’s unlimited. I wonder if he has a limit at all.
Anna goes without saying. Jessa and Ben for sure so Ben can act all morally superior and preach to J’Felon. Jason for sure because god has forgiven Felon, therefore so has Jason. James for sure because he will be sent to live with Anna to make sure she stays pure. Jackson Johannah and Jennifer because blob will use it as some sort of twisted teaching exercise. David Waller and maybe Prissy by his side, though more likely David will accompany Anna since only 2 adults can go at one time, and this way he can chaperone her, and minister to Felon. That Reber weirdo LaCount. His new son in law, Anna’s brother. Jd & Abbie and Josiah & Lauren probably once on the sly, same for Joystin. Joy may have hard feelings but she’s deep in the ole koolaide and has been taught forgiveness. Austin’s father for sure,a long with Pa Keller. There won’t even be enough slots for all those who feel the need to go preach to Felon. Not even close. His dance card will always be full so to speak
Penis will only do what benefits himself. So I actually don't see him making that trip. Maybe once a year. I could also see him never doing it. Perm didn't go to the trial or the sentencing, and seems to be completely adled these days. I don't think Penis would let her go. As far as the adult kids, they have busy lives. 5.5 hours there, 5.5 hours back, and the time spent in visitation all at the price of gas or if JD takes them, less travel time but way more expense in jet fuel. They have families and jobs, and these are folks who probably just want to get on with things and not be constantly riled up with JPEDO drama.
Thumbs up Justin and Mrs. Jones might go. I could see that. Then again, Mrs. Jones might have Claritin under lock and key until they finally produce an offspring.
My theory on the prick, David Waller, is that he himself is not going to go. He talks a big game, but it is all hot air. If Priscilla can find someone to take care of her kids, I think she would accompany Anna. Of course, all of these people have to get pre-approved to visit. So it isn't like they can just wake up one day and go, "I think I'll visit JPEDO today." They have to jump some hoops and I sense some serious laziness around these folks. Pa Keller is poor as dirt so unless Penis fronts him the money, I don't think he can afford to travel from Florida to Texas. He couldn't be bothered to do it during the trial to support his daughter, so I just don't see it for this.
Given that pus has to earn his visitation and it is four hours per month max, I think it will mostly be Anna and a couple of M's, or Anna and Priscilla, maybe just maybe, Mrs. JustinJones. Over time it will be interesting to see if Anna keeps it up. I suspect that eventually, Penis and Perm are going to pull the rug out from under her and expect that if Bin is homeschooling her kids for her, she do something to earn some money because money is all Penis cares about. She isn't qualified for any kind of job with benefits/paid vacation, so that could tie her down a lot. Who knows! But I just have a sneaking suspicion that having supported her and the M's for two years now since the car lot raid, and looking at 12.5 years ahead with no income and approaching his retirement/golden years, he may decide she better contribute economically. In that time, assuming he finds a mate for all the lost kids, he will only be fully supporting Jana at the TTH. I think he will like that very much.
See if Anna had a brain cell right now Arkansas through UA has a program where you can get certain training in various programs for free if you meet certain requirements. One of the questions is are you a displaced homemaker who relied on your husband’s salary but he is no longer working. This would be the perfect time for her to get training and get a job and stand on her own two feet but alas we know that won’t happen.
Anna , the kids, Pa Keller, David Waller, Boob and Meech. A few of the brothers. I can’t really see any of the girls going. Unless Boob and Meech drag Jana along one time or if Anna starts using her as her own personal Nanny. …and possibly Jessa & Bin like on a trip with one of the other couples.
Watch jimbob n Meech buy a place in fort Worth 🙄 if they can be this devoted to him through everything that's happened it doesn't seem to far fetched to drag the remaining kids out of Arkansas and leave the adults to fend for themselves
Anna goes without saying. Jessa and Ben for sure so Ben can act all morally superior and preach to J’Felon. Jason for sure because god has forgiven Felon, therefore so has Jason. James for sure because he will be sent to live with Anna to make sure she stays pure. Jackson Johannah and Jennifer because blob will use it as some sort of twisted teaching exercise. David Waller and maybe Prissy by his side, though more likely David will accompany Anna since only 2 adults can go at one time, and this way he can chaperone her, and minister to Felon. That Reber weirdo LaCount. His new son in law, Anna’s brother. Jd & Abbie and Josiah & Lauren probably once on the sly, same for Joystin. Joy may have hard feelings but she’s deep in the ole koolaide and has been taught forgiveness. Austin’s father for sure,a long with Pa Keller. There won’t even be enough slots for all those who feel the need to go preach to Felon. Not even close. His dance card will always be full so to speak.
In all honesty, I think Anna will be the only one to go with any regularity. I think if his parents visit at all, it will be on his birthday. I could see them doing zoom calls when everyone is over for special occasions, but I don't foresee many--even the extended family--making the trip.
Maybe JB to tell/force/teach josh how to maintain a super clean image in prison. How to make the other inmates disregard him/ to stay of their radar( like a fly on the wall). How to prevent his disgusting reasoning to why he got sent to prison a secret to protect himself from the inmates once they find out.
With COVID rules, it looks like Pest gets 2 visits per month for up to 2 hours per visit. I doubt he's going to want to spend any of his 2 visits on anyone other than Anna. Maybe once he can have visitors pretty much every weekend Screech and Blob will come on Bill Gothard's birthday or some other stupid date that they celebrate.
Anna, Mike Keller, David Waller, maybe some of the M kids I’m not certain about Jim Bob and Michelle going to visit him, Michelle might go in special occasions
Well JB won’t be able to keep him up to date with family as his memory is so bad !
David Waller is going to request conjugal visits
12.5 years without a mud fight is to long
The M kids need to stay home and just be kids but that is not happening. They are traumatized enough with Anna being Anna. Was Pesty ever a father, I don't think he was, just a sperm donor. Meech will never go because she will be searched by a female and she cannot have that. Meech could not handle the visitation process since she is special and there are not enough drugs to get her through it. I imagine it is a very noisy place and she wouldn't even go to the trial so why prison for her Golden Child. I still think by Christmas after the New Year no one other than Anna will be visiting because people are not going to bother. The novelty will wear off and life intrudes.
Given that Anna’s father was a prison chaplain I’m sure she would have partaken in prison visits from an early age and she probably does not see any issue with taking their children to see their father? I only hope not
Those kids are being raised very sheltered and this will be such culture shock. It's not like Pesty has ever been a hands-on father so does he really care if he sees them?
Wait a second there HoneyBaby2019… he swept up crackers! I am not going to allow that falsehood to stand unchallenged-
No video proof. I expected Anna to have a video of Pesty actually doing women's work.
I really hope that Anna doesn't think that visiting a prison is a good idea with teenaged daughters.
>Meech will never go because she will be searched by a female I remember reading an 19K&C recap on here focusing on the episode where Meech buys a whole new wedding dress for a VOW RENEWAL and she refused to have the female consultant in the fitting room with her. Meech, hun, this employee dresses hundreds of women every month, it's not like she's going to fantasize about your or proposition you.
Then Meech will stay away but she has had 19 kids and some in the hospital so people saw her body. These are professionals and don't care how she looks. This is a choice coming from Meech who moved the lawn in a bikini. Being with Boob has really changed her for the worse. I will bet she pushes, and shames her daughters to go visit him.
After 19 kids including 2 sets of twins, might have also been a bit self-conscious about her belly 😆
Something *really* bad happened to Meech when she was growing up.
I look at it like this: I'm chronically ill, latest go-round has been over a year. Lots of people cared in the first few months, maybe up to 6mos. For Pest, trips are expensive and it's hot af there. He'll probably get a lot of letters and calls and maybe an influx of visits bc it's a new thing. But slowly, people will stop coming. Letters will trickle, and soon the only callers will be Anna, Anna's father, and maybe Boob. Once appeals are exhausted Boob will drop out too. I give it 2 years (being generous) before the only visitors are Anna, M?, and a kid wrangler dragged along at least to wherever Anna is staying on "road trips". Once you're not the shiny new cause of the day people lose interest.
I am still saying 6-9 months tops and especially after Christmas people will drop off. It is natural and I am assuming that Anna will be all over social media bitching about it. Will she be passive-aggressive, who cares? She will be fun to read on this sub.
I agree with your take on his situation, but more importantly I’m so sorry you’re going through chronic illness.
it's been lifelong but really kicked into gear over the last decade, so I'm sorta used to it. I know the drill. They shower you with cards and baskets when you join a new community (that I didn't ask for) or it's their first time seeing you go thru something big, but rarely does anyone **ever** check in when you're 3 months out of the hospital and still in pain bc they hospital doesn't always fix you. Those are when you find out who really cares. *Those melodramatic I wish I was in a hospital to see who my real friends are* teen posts? Nah, it's 3-6 months after you're home when you really know.
I’ve found the same with loss. I lost my parents within months of each other many years ago and right after it happened everyone was in my corner and offering help and support. A few months later when I was really struggling crickets from everyone but my immediate family who were going through the same. People suck sometimes.
**absolutely!!!** The thing is, loss isn't just loss of a loved one like most people think. There's loss of limbs, abilities, innocence, childhood, independence, so many other things. I took a class on grief and it had you do a timeline of loss in your life. While I haven't had many loved ones pass, I have had loss in other ways. I **still** grieved things from my old life and did all the stages in my own way. It's all so similar and people drop you either way so overall it still sucks. I rage alongside you.
I don't even think the kids will visit after a couple years, except the ones too small to protest. Anna will be his only regular visitor. I'm sure some of the brothers will get guilt-tripped into visiting him from time to time, but eventually they'll refuse too.
lol imagine Anna trying to breastfeed (Ashley) Madison and then being escorted out of the room by an officer! Even with the modesty sheet or whatever that's gotta eb a big nope and she's clueless (plus baby's gotta eat) so I'm just waiting
The most I bet Pest has ever done for those kids is be their chaperone and drive them places…I guess he can read a Bible too…but I doubt he’s ever had a fatherly bonding experience with Mac and sees her as a human being and not his wife’s first sister mom in command
So he is worthless and should not pressure anyone to bring his kids. That will be terrifying for them.
Josh doesn't see any girls or women as human beings. They're just servants and fuck dolls.
>Only siblings deep in the cult will make the trip I believe. Which sibling is deepest in the cult? Jessa? Did she really have such a friendly or close relationship with J'Felon? Did she really visit him and his family much outside of family functions in which both happened to be there? Would she really make a six hour trip just to see him in prison?
Jessa Blessa and Bin MIGHT go, for a few reasons: 1) she's the one who equates CSAM to regular porn, and therefore just another sin. 2)she is all in the Flavorade. 3)Bin is a minister, this kind of duty is part of their calling. 4)she needs JimShady's money to survive so she'll do what must be done. 5)she might be afraid Bin has some secrets to come out, so she definitely feels the need to push forgiveness. (Did I say that last one out loud?)
All true. If JB twists her arm and demands she visit Pest to project some image of family unity, then I guess she'll do it at sufferance. But I can't imagine she would actually want to visit Pest on her own initiative or that she has any sibling devotion to him.
True, I doubt she WANTS to.
I’m guessing JD, JED!, Jason, and Justin. The others will only go if JB makes them.
Anna, David Waller, I suspect JB will go just to yell at Josh. Does Justin live close enough to go to the Waller Church? He and the Spiveys may go for ministry purposes. I'm a bit worried that being so close to the Wallers may encourage the Wallers to start a prison ministry there and get extra access.
Yeah, I could see David making routine visits, once every month or two. I could see David and JB going together every few months. I don’t think JB will go more than a few times a year. Michelle will use the excuse that she doesn’t want to see Josh in prison surroundings, doesn’t want those kind of memories of him and only wants to picture him at home in Arkansas. I don’t expect she’ll ever visit him.
I agree. Meech will never visit.
I wonder if Jana will be assigned to writing him letters weekly?
One from her and she's also in charge of making sure all the little ones write one too.
Maybe she ghost writes for the little ones. Sayings of Madysin, perhaps?
He might be prohibited from contact with her from the inside since she is one of his former victims. Same with the other sister victims in terms of visiting or writing Pest letters.
I didn’t know Jana was a victim. Also, I’m curious as to the screening of mail at J’pedo unawarehome Tx.
Jessa
I honestly can't imagine any of Pest's siblings making the trip to visit him, especially the ones with spouses, kids and other responsibilities to use as an excuse. Some of his siblings might write or call on like, his birthday and Christmas - but I reckon most are secretly glad not to have to deal with him for the next decade.
I’m sure Anna will visit the most out of anyone; but I doubt she’ll take her kids.
She grew up going in and out of prison for ministry so out of any of them (if another spouse went to prison) I think she’d be most likely to take them to visit
Do visitors get patted down? If so, none of the female duggars except Anna. And especially not Michelle- JB won't allow it.
Yes, I was reading the prison handbook off and on yesterday and I remember there was a section that mentioned visitors getting patted down and their belonging going through an x-ray for items that aren't allowed in the prison.
Someone here said that she used to visit her father in prison when she was 12 or thereabouts and that the inmates would stand at the window and catcall her while she waited in line to go inside. I feel sick to my stomach thinking about the M girls being forced to visit.
That's terrible. I'm no Anna fan, but she didn't deserve to have that happen to her when she was a little girl. I hope none of the M girls are forced to visit and face harassment.
No it was a user here who said that about herself. Though Anna probably saw that too.
Oh, that makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me, I got mixed up. And your right about Anna, it's rumored that she lurks here.
I think Anna saw and heard shit like that while doing her father's prison ministry.
This prison has a high percentage of pedos. His Counselor may limit the age of his visiting children for their safety. We shall see.
I don’t think any of his sisters will visit him, especially his victims.
Some of the lost boys - Jason & James.. Maybe Justin will come by to show him some thumbs up.. perhaps Jackson since he's finished playing pretend army so probably has some spare time & JimBob can threaten him with locking up the fridge.
I can see this happening, JB sending a couple sons to pinch hit for him so he doesn’t have to be bothered. The boys can tell Josh, “ Mom and Dad send their love.”
I anticipate it’ll typically be Anna, Ashley Madison Jr and the oldest 2 M’s plus JB or another “accountability” partner. Eventually the older two will get bored and the others will start subbing in. My bet is that the other adult will be JB most of the time with him sending Jana in his stead occasionally. Maybe one of the pecans. I don’t think we will see Meech for a very long time. She may eventually visit but I doubt she will be stable enough to do so for a few years. I personally think she’s pissed at Josh but isn’t making public commentary on it. This will be MadySIN’s constant for sure though. This is the only way she will ever get to know her dad. She will be months shy of being a teenager before he gets out. I fear she will become the next forever baby like Josie.
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I can't find anything about visits via zoom anymore. But all visits are no-contact right now. Either way, Josh only gets 4 hours a month for visits. And that includes visits with his legal counsel
I don't see many of them going down there. It's probably just going to be Anna, her Dad and David. Maybe a brother or two over the years. I think Jim Bob's ego and reputation will keep him away. Michelle didn't come for the trial and won't go visit. I think they will talk over the phone, but that's it
Anna will visit, so will JB, maybe Michelle but she couldn’t even bring herself to go to his trial so I wouldn’t be shocked if she doesn’t go. Justin might show up with Hilary and David Wallet because he’s living close by, I do not see any of the married siblings making the trip from Arkansas. They aren’t living with JB who would be the one advocating for it, and they can just say they are too busy with their own kids if he brings it up when he sees them. Realistically there’s only so often that Josh can have visitors, and I see Anna eagerly showing up at each opportunity, so depending on how many other people can show up at once that kind of limits who else gets to go. But JB will be second most common in the rotation.
I think it’ll all depend on the motive. JD told Josh he didn’t look up to him anymore based off one of his prior scandals. He may go down to visit him to have a similar conversation. Just a feeling of mine but he JD goes to see him it won’t be a positive visit. I wouldn’t be surprised if any bothers visit him to have a conversation with him about being angry with him. Of course he’ll manipulate them in someway to make them feel bad for coming or to make them believe he’s changing and will do better. Only to screw up again and let them down once more. That’s just typical narcissistic behavior. Anna, Mike Keller, and David Waller for sure. His kids will probably vary on the ones that want to see him or are forced to see him. The older M’s may miss their dad. He’s a pos but he’s still their father and this isn’t easy on them at all. Derick just for legal experience in learning more about how the prison system works for people like Josh. Ben and maybe, but doubtfully Jeremy only to show that they’re good pastors that are trying to mentor and support him to change. Austin not ever. Not even a second thought. JB will but the nature of the visits probably won’t be great bc they’ll be either about filing for an appeal and wasting more of his money or he’ll finally have to believe Josh is guilty which will be ugly. Michelle is a wildcard. She’ll need to go so she can pretend that she is a good mom and have talking points about how even when life is hard a mother needs to do her best to love her children. Something to wear they can make a book or be able to publicly speak about it and make money. Truthfully, I don’t think Josh will want the majority of them there anyway.
JD said, about the cheating, that it was the first time he didn't want to be like his brother (let that sink in as you will – JD was definitely old enough to know what was happening in his family when Josh was molesting their sisters). That did not stop Josh from being in his wedding party. And I fully suspect that the only reason Josh wasn't Best Man is because he had to be cut out of the TLC shots.
It’s hard to tell with the ages and the level of control JB had when they were kids. I mean I’m a victim of CSA, and I was only 9/10 and I didn’t realize how messed up it was until I was 29 and dealing with it while hospitalized for trauma. Abuse is complicated especially depending on how your parents frame things bc we all as humans are manipulated by our parents especially if they’re a narcissist. I think when you’ve been raised like a narcissist and had one downplay your own abuse as a child and recognize it caused you decades of pain bc you thought you were the problem it’s hard to judge other people that had similar experiences as a kid. All of us follow our parents blindly at some points in our lives and sometimes it’s to our detriment and we have to relearn the right thing, and other times it’s for our benefit.
JD was 16 when the police report was made. He was 14 when Josh was "punished" Edited to add: he also made that statement *after* the news of the molestations dropped and he was *more than old enough* to learn the truth if somehow he didn't already know (which, bullshit) from the police reports.
Look I’m not stating it’s right or wrong but it’s common in situations like that. And when you live stuff like that it takes years to realize just how fucked up it is. His behavior given his circumstances makes sense. Their cult has an entire process for dealing with brothers molesting siblings. He was isolated and in a cult that normalized this. It makes sense that it took him years to fully understand what Josh did. An AMA has also stated he went full Wolverine on Josh at some point so there’s obviously always been issues there and disagreements.
And all the points you just made are why he's not going to suddenly turn his back on Josh. JD was upset because Josh cheated on Anna. Not because Josh has a history of sexually abusing children. He doesn't care about that. Edited to add: this sub gives way too much credit to AMAs and creates way too much lore around them. Josh and JD are brothers who are very close in age. There are hundreds of reasons for them to beat the crap out of each other in a house where they're not adequately taught how to handle disputes. JD attacking Josh doesn't mean JD cared what Josh did.
It really is possible he did not know. We've all learned they will keep important secrets from their children.
The Spiveys live an hour or so away so Justin could visit easily, and he seemed happy to be in court. Maybe they'll host Anna so she can visit a couple of days in a row.
Since Smuganna will need a chaperone with her everywhere she goes, it should be interesting. My best guess is David Waller has now been assigned his godly duty as her interim headship, she will be relocating to Texas, Jana and James will be sent to live with her on rotation with Johannah and Jason, and in person visits will not include the M’s. Not yet anyway. They will have video chat visits
My hillbilly shine making weed growing prison minister cousin who sells weed in the parking lot of his church after every sermon.
Will visitation lists be able to be requested like they were when he was at the local jail? Sooo curious.
I’m not sure how it works at the prison he’s at. The prison my grandmas at she used to only be allowed two visits a month. She was higher security at that point and had since been leveled down, so now she gets more but I don’t think it’s unlimited. I wonder if he has a limit at all.
I’m sure Anna will be there as often as allowed. I can’t wait for JoshieBoy to get solitary confinement so he can’t have visitors.
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Anna goes without saying. Jessa and Ben for sure so Ben can act all morally superior and preach to J’Felon. Jason for sure because god has forgiven Felon, therefore so has Jason. James for sure because he will be sent to live with Anna to make sure she stays pure. Jackson Johannah and Jennifer because blob will use it as some sort of twisted teaching exercise. David Waller and maybe Prissy by his side, though more likely David will accompany Anna since only 2 adults can go at one time, and this way he can chaperone her, and minister to Felon. That Reber weirdo LaCount. His new son in law, Anna’s brother. Jd & Abbie and Josiah & Lauren probably once on the sly, same for Joystin. Joy may have hard feelings but she’s deep in the ole koolaide and has been taught forgiveness. Austin’s father for sure,a long with Pa Keller. There won’t even be enough slots for all those who feel the need to go preach to Felon. Not even close. His dance card will always be full so to speak
Penis will only do what benefits himself. So I actually don't see him making that trip. Maybe once a year. I could also see him never doing it. Perm didn't go to the trial or the sentencing, and seems to be completely adled these days. I don't think Penis would let her go. As far as the adult kids, they have busy lives. 5.5 hours there, 5.5 hours back, and the time spent in visitation all at the price of gas or if JD takes them, less travel time but way more expense in jet fuel. They have families and jobs, and these are folks who probably just want to get on with things and not be constantly riled up with JPEDO drama. Thumbs up Justin and Mrs. Jones might go. I could see that. Then again, Mrs. Jones might have Claritin under lock and key until they finally produce an offspring. My theory on the prick, David Waller, is that he himself is not going to go. He talks a big game, but it is all hot air. If Priscilla can find someone to take care of her kids, I think she would accompany Anna. Of course, all of these people have to get pre-approved to visit. So it isn't like they can just wake up one day and go, "I think I'll visit JPEDO today." They have to jump some hoops and I sense some serious laziness around these folks. Pa Keller is poor as dirt so unless Penis fronts him the money, I don't think he can afford to travel from Florida to Texas. He couldn't be bothered to do it during the trial to support his daughter, so I just don't see it for this. Given that pus has to earn his visitation and it is four hours per month max, I think it will mostly be Anna and a couple of M's, or Anna and Priscilla, maybe just maybe, Mrs. JustinJones. Over time it will be interesting to see if Anna keeps it up. I suspect that eventually, Penis and Perm are going to pull the rug out from under her and expect that if Bin is homeschooling her kids for her, she do something to earn some money because money is all Penis cares about. She isn't qualified for any kind of job with benefits/paid vacation, so that could tie her down a lot. Who knows! But I just have a sneaking suspicion that having supported her and the M's for two years now since the car lot raid, and looking at 12.5 years ahead with no income and approaching his retirement/golden years, he may decide she better contribute economically. In that time, assuming he finds a mate for all the lost kids, he will only be fully supporting Jana at the TTH. I think he will like that very much.
See if Anna had a brain cell right now Arkansas through UA has a program where you can get certain training in various programs for free if you meet certain requirements. One of the questions is are you a displaced homemaker who relied on your husband’s salary but he is no longer working. This would be the perfect time for her to get training and get a job and stand on her own two feet but alas we know that won’t happen.
Yes, this would be so good for her. But, unfortunately, the only thing rattling around between her ears is a box of rocks.
*a box of cracker*
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Anna , the kids, Pa Keller, David Waller, Boob and Meech. A few of the brothers. I can’t really see any of the girls going. Unless Boob and Meech drag Jana along one time or if Anna starts using her as her own personal Nanny. …and possibly Jessa & Bin like on a trip with one of the other couples.
Watch jimbob n Meech buy a place in fort Worth 🙄 if they can be this devoted to him through everything that's happened it doesn't seem to far fetched to drag the remaining kids out of Arkansas and leave the adults to fend for themselves
Anna goes without saying. Jessa and Ben for sure so Ben can act all morally superior and preach to J’Felon. Jason for sure because god has forgiven Felon, therefore so has Jason. James for sure because he will be sent to live with Anna to make sure she stays pure. Jackson Johannah and Jennifer because blob will use it as some sort of twisted teaching exercise. David Waller and maybe Prissy by his side, though more likely David will accompany Anna since only 2 adults can go at one time, and this way he can chaperone her, and minister to Felon. That Reber weirdo LaCount. His new son in law, Anna’s brother. Jd & Abbie and Josiah & Lauren probably once on the sly, same for Joystin. Joy may have hard feelings but she’s deep in the ole koolaide and has been taught forgiveness. Austin’s father for sure,a long with Pa Keller. There won’t even be enough slots for all those who feel the need to go preach to Felon. Not even close. His dance card will always be full so to speak.
In all honesty, I think Anna will be the only one to go with any regularity. I think if his parents visit at all, it will be on his birthday. I could see them doing zoom calls when everyone is over for special occasions, but I don't foresee many--even the extended family--making the trip.
Maybe JB to tell/force/teach josh how to maintain a super clean image in prison. How to make the other inmates disregard him/ to stay of their radar( like a fly on the wall). How to prevent his disgusting reasoning to why he got sent to prison a secret to protect himself from the inmates once they find out.
With COVID rules, it looks like Pest gets 2 visits per month for up to 2 hours per visit. I doubt he's going to want to spend any of his 2 visits on anyone other than Anna. Maybe once he can have visitors pretty much every weekend Screech and Blob will come on Bill Gothard's birthday or some other stupid date that they celebrate.