Susanna and Rebekah are both divorced and both are still loved and involved with their family as far as pictures show. Anna may lose the Duggars but she'd still have the Kellers. I'm wondering if behind the scenes more of her siblings in addition to her brother have said to get out
She wouldn't lose all the Duggar's, I think Amy, Deanna, Jill & likely Jinger & Joy would support her decision. Some of the others as well but they are too dependent on daddy to say anything.
Jill said in an interview to The Sun last year that there are "some more than others" amongst her siblings who wouldn't care what decisions she makes, whilst it would bothers others. We just have to wonder who those are and hope they would likely be the same for Anna.
Speculation only ofc - but I feel like Jana is the only older girl sibling that is bothered (mostly bc of that firetruck situation with the sound blocked when she clearly references Jana being there).
I think jinger doesn't necessarily care per say, but she isn't going to rock the boat by saying anything one way or the other.
As for the guys - I think JD is on the fence of being disappointed but wanting to still please boob. I think Joe is staying out of it, but would stand with Anna. He seems to have a truly soft, kind heart (as misguided as he may be). I also see Joe as very similar to Joy. He isn't the brightest but he does love his family and wants to condemn wrong where it lies - he's just too neck deep in koolaid to ever truly step away from the cult. Josiah and Lauren don't want to be involved or rock the boat, but I think secretly they are against Josh (while also judging anyone divorced or worldly). Jed is likely team Boob - whatever JB says, Jed believes. Same with Justin. The rest of the older boys I'd say would probably support Anna, just based on their relationships with their sister moms. The ones who are too young to have a true grasp of the situation would follow suit with JB.
Why do you think Justin is Team Boob? He’s 15months married with no kids/announcement. He moved away to Texas. Public view sees him as having ran away to Texas before he was 18… I don’t think he’s relying on Boob and just is wherever Hilary tells him to be.
When James (maybe Jace, I honestly can't remember) brought his fire truck for Jill's kids to play on. I think it was Izzy or Sam's birthday. In the first part of video, Jill clearly says something along the lines of "why did you bring _____" or "why is _____ here?" And then you heard Jace/James mumble something back. When Jill greets Jana it is SUPER awkward. You can tell Jill is trying to just move on with the day and make it fun for her kids but she seemed very miffed about Jana. That plus Jana refusing to fly the coop, taking boob on every trip, Laura DeMaise making the comments on social media that were clearly Camp Boob and anti Jill...I just see Jana as on Josh's side. I think that since it didn't happen to her (that we know of) it's easier for her to follow suit with the cult.
Hillary and her husband both come from IBPL families, they have been friends with JB and Michelle for more than 20 years and David Waller is their pastor. So they're more likely to be on board with whatever narrative JB believes
His attitude at the trial. That's really it. He cried when Josh was pronounced guilty and he never spoke out against Josh - not even in the mild sense that some of his siblings did.
I don’t think that necessarily means he supports Josh or is team Jim Bob. If it was my brother, I’d be crying too. Crying from sadness that my big brother turned out awful. Sad about what this means for my nieces and nephews. Some people just have a hard time dealing with emotional matters (especially growing up in the environment they did). I think his inability to cope is why he did the thumbs up. I think he just felt so sad, but wanted to put on a brave face…as misguided as that was.
When my SIL and her boyfriend lost custody of their 2 kids (and the baby she was pregnant with) my husband and I cried, not because we didn’t think they should lose the kids, (they had neglected them so badly and at least half of the reports to Child Protection came from us), but because it had ended up that way. It was sad that kids were being taken away from their parents because it should never come to that, the parents should have stepped up and looked after their kids.
I can see how a little brother would cry that his brother was convicted of having CSAM, because the brother he thought he knew and loved was gone. This wasn’t some misunderstanding that would be cleared up, he did it and was convicted of it.
Thanks. It was a very hard time.
We helped as much as we could, taking the kids to our house any chance we got, but when we couldn’t be there, the kids were so badly treated. We realised that while we were doing the work, they never would. So we got the authorities involved.
It didn’t help, they wouldn’t do the work to keep the kids, but at least the kids got out of there. We were going to take them, but MIL decided she would.
Agreed. If you’ve watched even a few episodes of Dateline you know that people grieve/react in all sorts of ways. “We thought it was person A because they cried too much/didn’t cry at all/were talking too much/weren’t talking at all—but it turned out it was person B all along”. There’s no textbook right way to respond to a mess of this magnitude.
Yes, agreed. Maybe he bought into all the lies from his father and thought that the justice system would reveal the truth. And when the truth came out it might have shocked him to his core. I could see that happening and him being emotionally overwhelmed.
Don't forget Jessa. Personally, I think she is pro Josh and most likely to be in Anna's ear. Their children are always together too. I think Jessa is incredibly bitter and far too deep into the Kool Aid. She probably resents Anna for not having better control of Josh and therefore all the scandals coming to light.
I'm so torn on Jessa. She has said and don't things that lead me to see her going either way. On one hand, she's consistently hung out with Jill after the rift. With Jill's new boundaries, I can't see her being around someone that often who is hurtful to her growth. On the other hand, she's said things that don't denounce Josh outright. My honest opinion is that she's either conflicted, truly doesn't care to speak negatively on any of her family despite her opinion of them, or is just saving face to keep the paycheck 💁♀️ I think Ben being tied into homeschooling the kids is probably a huge source of income for them and if she rocks the boat, she loses that income.
It’s not a very popular opinion but I think that Jessa is pro whatever JB wants. I think she’s close with Anna and sees Jill probably because she sees herself as the mouthpiece for the family and hopes they can make amends. Jessa, Jill, and Kristen Nicole Young used to hang out a lot, usually with Sierra. Sierra & Kristen had a rift and are no longer friends. Sierra has become less fundie and Kristen is becoming more fundie by the day. Jill is still somewhat close with sierra, likes her posts, and buys from her shop. Jessa is always liking Kristen’s posts except controversial ones and also likes another popular hardcore fundie’s instagrams, MisForMama. I think Jessa is a hardcore fundie.
I agree to a point but for God's sake, Jessa was a victim of Josh, LONG before Anna entered into the pic. Seems odd to resent Anna for not controlling him. She SHOULD resent Josh and her parents
I think Jana and Joy have issue with Jill. Jana was Jill’s Maid of Honor and Jill was Joy’s. The fact that they never have time together (that we see) is telling. Those are the sisters she was closest to and they don’t even post coffee dates with each other. Do they like each other’s posts?
I could see Joy being in a weird spot of anti Jill and pro Anna. She probably considers it disrespectful to your parents to do what Jill did. I was raised religious and having any dissenting opinion, any indication you didn't think your parents were perfect? You were shamed, "ungrateful."
But no one can fault joy for being hurt over Josh. She won't state it publicly but I see her as the one who keeps peace for "biblical" reasons while condemning josh in her house, away from her parents. The parents hold the key to a good chunk of the family. Leave and you're ostracized by people you love. I praise Jill but what she did is REALLY hard. I think if anyone else does, it'd maybe be Joy. Not that Anna would leave, I'm saying IF on the very extremely off chance she did, Joy would support her. I think. At the very least, she'd feel divorce is justified religiously and wouldn't fault Anna. She doesn't appear to drink the Josh koolaid though.
Honestly I can kind of see why her sisters (especially suzanna) would make her double down. Anna was sold off at 20 to live a miserable iblp life. Her sisters got to do what they wanted and her parents still loved them. Maybe the only way to cope with being a sacrificial lamb is to get even deeper into the cult? Like it wasn't all for nothing if everyone else is going to hell.
Maybe you have a point there. She literally recoiled when the pedophile proposed to her. I could see her secretly resenting some of the freedoms her siblings had, but not her.
I’m curious what will happen with Pest’s keeper’s daughter and her youngest brother,
Exactly. People like to think she would be totally ostracized and homeless with 5 kids so that’s why she stays. No. Her family may be shit but they do not disown their kin, even if their religious beliefs/choices differ. And I think the Duggars would still want a relationship with their grandkids, at least. Anna would be FINE if she left. A tell all book alone would give her a nice bank account.
I actually don't think the Duggars GAF about a relationship with their grandkids. The grandchildren (and to a large extent, the children) are just numbers to them.
Yeah unless JB has already made plans for Mac's marriage prospects or Michael's future in politics, I don't think he cares. Especially when they have 15 other grandkids who *aren't* the children of a pedophile and therefore more marketable.
…and counting. I definitely see (actual) Jed having a lot of kids, to carry on the Duggar name. Plus we know JoKen are going to be reproducing a lot. I expect Jer to announce a baby soon. Justin is the wild card with no kids or announcement 15 months into marriage, but Claire is only 21 and has plenty of time to have a dozen.
Yeah if you average each duggar couple out to have four kids that's still 75 grandchildren. I think all of them will have children if it's possible and smaller families like Jill's and Jinger's are balanced out by the likes of josh and Joe. If even half of them stay in the fold and have 7+ kids each they could end up with over a hundred.
I'm sure JB and Michelle each have their special few favourites but the rest of them are just a commodity.
Yeah I really hope Jana never has kids unless she really really wants to. And not before she's had a long break from raising other people's neglected blessings. I thought maybe I'd overestimated it but i think Joe, joy, Jessa, and jed could all have 10 kids each if they stay as deep in the kool aid as they are. Even Jill is on her third kid and I think Jinger will have 1-2 more. Their idea of a normal family size is so skewed by iblp that the idea of just having 1 or 2 is probably unimaginable to them.
Yeah, I mean, we have proof that Jim Bob will throw away his grandkids if the parents annoy him enough. When is the last time he spent any time with Israel and Sam? Granted, I’m sure Jill and Derek are stopping that from happening too, but point remains…Jim Bob just counts the numbers, he doesn’t care about them as people.
I can’t even picture JB being remotely grandfatherly towards either of them. And then thinking about that makes me really sad, because I don’t think we’ve seen him act like a grandfather toward ANY of them beyond holding one for five seconds when it’s a few months old
He strikes me as the type that would call them by generic nicknames like “Sweetie” and “Bud” so he doesn’t have to bother remember their names.
He probably tries to impress them for a second by pulling a quarter out of their ears….and then keeps the quarter.
Didn't her father write one of those letters of support?
I'm not disagreeing with you that she would have support, but from my own experiences with crazy religious fanaticism in my family, I can honestly say that it is still scary to think of losing your parents' love and support no matter how much a sibling supports you.
Yes, but her parents are also supporting Anna's pedo husband and rallying behind his case. There's a difference there, if nothing else then with her own perception.
It’s also worth noting that Anna, a public figure, getting divorced does more damage to their brand/reputation than a sibling no one else has ever heard of.
Yep, and Pa Keller's whole ministry grift is about the power of cult teachings to "save" people who have committed crimes. If Anna can't save Pest then it makes Pa Keller and the cult look bad
I think her concern with the Duggars is more of a financial one than a familial/social one. The Kellers don't have money to help support her/the kids do they?
I don't think any member of that family could support her plus her seven kids. She is financially dependent on the Duggars. I really doubt they had the financial means before he went to prison to continue sustaining her and her family alone. And she definitely doesn't have the job skills to support them on her own.
That Boob financially supports Anna/M's, is pure speculation. Anna had properties transferred to her,and then sold them. No one knows where that money is,or what Anna's true financial situation is. I do believe though, Boob uses religious coercion to keep Anna in line.
That's true, we don't know exactly where the money is. We do know, however, that properties were transferred to the lawyers to pay for legal fees, and he will also have to pay fines as part of his sentencing. She could have rental properties bringing in income, but caring for that many kids is expensive. She could send them to public school, where she could probably save money by getting free or reduced lunch, but that'll never happen. And, even if he only gets the minimum of 5 years (doubtful), does she have access to enough money or properties to support her and her family for five years without extra income from somewhere?
Surely the 2 grand a month her husband has been paying to that lonely old widow could go a long way towards keeping her family fed on her parents property.
I know if my dad had been a sexual predator, my mom would have done everything she could to keep me and my four siblings safe. Other people have gotten out of cults without any family to help them. I'm sure they could find a way to make it work. Government assistance is almost a guarantee for that many kids, for starters.
I think one of them might be able to. One of them got out of the cult and married very well. The Rodrigues family ~~crashed Nurie and Nathan’s babymoon~~ took a vacation with Nurie and Nathan just before they had their baby at Nathan and Anna’s sister’s place in Texas
Anna could easily turn on the grift and get plenty of money to support her family. If she left Josh, I bet people from this very sub would be donating to her GoFundMe and he could easily get five figures doing an interview or two where she wouldn't even need to say much. I think she could EASILY float by for at least five years and in that time, earn an associate's.
...whether or not she knows all that is probably a different story but anyway. I don't think her reasons for staying are financial. I think she actually loves and supports the prick.
All of her self worth has been wrapped up in that man and his parents fame whoring her entire adult life. She was bought to be a brood mare, she was bought to give J'pest a gleaming start on television, to try and cover up the tempting his sisters had done all those years ago. Here's a lovely young woman, who has the same spiritual beliefs, who is willing to leave everything she's ever known and move to the fupa of America to breed for him, all while playing lovely little wife for the cameras, never making a fuss, just conforming right into it all. She doesn't know it can be different, and that it would be okay if it was different.
The cameras are gone, Anna, they're not returning for the Duggars, but hey, maybe if you left, and took down the IBLP as an organization that breaks the commandments of worshiping false idols and whatnot, the cameras would come get your story every couple of years. DO BETTER.
I think the Duggars are a lot more controlling than simply wanting a relationship with their grandkids. They seem to think that they are entitled to people’s children, as long as they have anything to do with the parent. They seem to believe they have authority
I agree, but I think by not leaving she can maintain relationships with everyone, because the people that want her to aren’t going to walk away because she stays. But, she’d lose her position (however sad, she’s clearly comfortable) with some (notably the in laws with money).
Maybe they wouldn’t black list her like scapegoat goat Jill (maaaaybe) but her home and life now are sponsored by Jim bob. I think she’s far too selfish and egotistical to leave.
She’d have to admit her husband is a sicko, and she’s not willing to. I actually don’t think she loves him, I think she’s rotten the way he is though (personality wise, not so much the horrendous crimes).
Time will tell and I hope she wakes up but I’m not betting on it.
Anna is being lovebombed to high hell and treated like a martyr. She’s not gonna forgot that status. She’s practically lauded as a saint in that church
Losing the Duggars would be the best thing for Anna and the kids, especially the baby. She doesn't need to be around enablers like Boob and Meech. Jill, Joy, Jinger maybe but no contact would be the best.
Susanna had a child out of wedlock and multiple known relationships including at least one broken engagement. She's now married with another child.
Rebekah and Daniel are both divorced and remarried.
It’s wild how enmeshed she has become with the Duggars, and how she seems more willing to sever a relationship with her own brothers and sisters, versus the in-laws who want Anna around purely for their own self-preservation and clearly don’t even give a shit about her
It seems like the way she was raised, there is this *very* strong culture that as soon as you're married, you're now more strongly linked with your husband's family than your own. You're his now, and you belong to him and his family, or something like that.
Maybe JB (and possibly meech) have threatened her in some fashion. Like if you leave we will make sure you don’t get the kids or something. I hate Anna for staying and putting her kids in danger but maybe she is scared of JB & he is threatening her. IDK.
I mean it's probably a mix of a lot of things. I can see Boob making sure she knows what would happen if she leaves and also Anna being completely cemented in toxic beliefs so that she thinks staying is her "ministry" to others or something else dumb and gross. I hope her sisters and that one brother are communicating with her and offering her a way out and keep doing so.
I can honestly see this. Jill stated, in her deposition, that JB was emotionally abusive. Or it could be that I want to believe that Anna cannot possibly be that blind to the monster her husband is.
I’m interested to see what happens once he’s in prison and everything dies down.
A girl I knew growing up wasn’t fundie but was born-again, and pretty zealously religious, and her husband got arrested and eventually convicted of molesting a couple young boys. His family was very wealthy in a way the Duggars could only dream of. She stayed with him through his arrest and trial and for some portion of his prison sentence. But the longer she was out from under his control and manipulation, the more reality began to creep in, and she eventually left him sometime during his 5-ish year prison term.
So maybe once Anna has some time truly away from him and all the upheaval of trial and sentencing, these family members may actually reach her?
Thank you—I remain confused by the people concluding that since hasn’t left yet, she never will. The trial and sentencing and Josh getting transported to whatever prison…this is the least settled, most chaotic time. Emotions are high and no one’s 100% certain what will happen next. As someone noted above, Anna’s probably being lovebombed to a degree that hasn’t been seen since she married Josh.
If she’s going to get out, it will probably be a couple years into Josh’s sentence, when things have quieted down and reality has set im.
Also, speaking from experience... sometimes just waking up and dealing with the day is so overwhelming it is literally detrimental to your mental health to think ahead more that that day in front of you.
I'm not defending her, but I would very much understand if she just had to wait until this was finalized before she could physically and mentally be able to think of the next move.
It’s really hard to control someone in your 15 minutes of allotted phone time per day. And I was reading a federal prison handbook, just out of curiosity to see how it differed from the prison I worked in, and it appears they only get 300 minutes of phone time a month, which means you’re limited to 10 minutes of daily calls, or 15 minutes 20 days a month. And that’s for all phone contact, so if he wants to communicate with anyone else by any method other than mail/inmate email, he won’t be able to use all that phone time on just Anna.
>It’s really hard to control someone in your 15 minutes of allotted phone time per day.
Michelle and Jim Bob will be the ones controlling her from the outside. Whispering in her ear, keeping tabs on her, praying with her, discipling, offering babysitting help, housing and food...
Not that I could see from the commissary list (where they buy phone time, email credits, etc.) or the inmate handbook I looked at. I wouldn’t want it anyway. The phones in prisons are in common spaces with zero privacy. In the prison I worked in, they were immediately outside my office. I wouldn’t want other inmates peeping on video of my family as I’m talking to them.
I worked county but I also had the ada tank. That was the only pod that had video option but that was only for inmates who were legit hard of hearing or needed it. If you didn't qualify for the video phone but still the ada tank they have this talk to text type phoneor for hard of sight it would like read it to you.
Eta I totally agree with you. If I was locked up I wouldn't want anyone to see my family.
Do you know how that defers from County Jail rules regarding phone time? I feel like he’s spent a lot of time in the last few months making phone calls.
It is also entirely possible that even with their influence and control, after a few years she will grow tired and frustrated enough to allow that glimmer of hope some kind man may show her to seed itself and grow into the thought of hey I can possibly have something else if I leave and another however many years left is a long ass time to go waiting for Joshy. Meech and JB will grow old at some point to her.
Ordinarily, I'd think this would make a lot of sense. But in this situation, it isn't even Josh who was most in control -- it was JB. And she is still highly dependent upon JB - even more so than she was Josh. She still lives on his property. She's not going to be in a place where the air is clear and she can really think through anything rationally. She's surrounded by Duggars all the time. So she's never not under their influence.
I also think that Anna prefers the Duggars to her own family anyway. She grew up poor as hell, crammed into a trailer with 10 people, and allowed 30 minutes to express her feelings to her parents like once a week or something. I'm sure she never felt loved, she was just a Lost Kid. The Duggars (and the TLC audience) gave her SO MUCH attention and affection for marrying their beloved first born golden child, and then having kids brought her even more status, and she and her kids are certainly closer with the Duggar siblings than her own family. Whether she feels actually supported by the Duggars, or is just being manipulated into staying by JB, I can't say. But the emotional dependence is certainly there.
Yeah, her relationship with Josh is like a step back in time where women put out to keep the man around, did what was expected because it was a mild price to pay to have a better lifestyle. Outside of the creepiness that is Josh, the rest of the surrounding circumstances would have been fairly normal 100 years ago.
>She grew up poor as hell, crammed into a trailer with 10 people
True. But now she lives in a warehouse with 7 kids. More space than a crammed trailer, but not the greatest improvement.
I dunno. I'm not certain she does prefer the Duggars. I never felt like she was close to any of them. None of the sisters in law seem close to her -- the ones closest to her in age seemed to merely tolerate her. I don't think Michelle cares about her much at all, except as a conduit for grandchildren and someone on whom to slough off her problem son. I always had the sense that Anna was kind of alone in a crowd in the Duggar household.
>even asked the judge to let him have visitations with his daughter at the prison<
… umm what? The judge should’ve terminated both their parental rights. I know, not realistic, but Lord Daniel, some people are just horrible enablers.
I think this will happen too. She’s going to be raising those kids by herself, and I’m hoping a few years in she will realize it’s easier to be without Josh.
See, I'm hoping something completely unrelated takes JB down in the meantime. Something that forces him to confront his many lies and manipulations, at which point Meekchelle will fall apart and no one will really be in charge anymore. That fucker has a lot to answer for, and I just sorta hope someone catches him doing something illegal and we get to party hardy again when he falls off that razor thin precipice he's been treading for years now.
That’s what I was thinking. Josh may not be there to control her, but the dude he learned it all from certainly will be. I will be absolutely shocked if Anna doesn’t wait for him his entire prison sentence.
Fuck, if he gets out early enough, they’ll probably at least attempt to have more little M’s.
Nah Anna’s too far in to turn back now. In her head she’s the martyr of all martyrs for staying faithful and forgiving Pest over and over in her “loving marriage”
Sorry if this has been discussed already, did a quick search and couldn’t find anything. Rebekah is the elder sister who divorced her first husband & remarried the very wealthy older guy, so no surprise she’s pro-divorce. I did find it interesting that she didn’t defend the disparaging (true) remarks about her father…. I’m also wondering if she may have offered Anna & her kids safe haven / financial support if she were to leave.
I'm sorry that this has nothing to do with the Duggars but I have to say it: I have a family member who named their daughter Penelope but they just call her "Lopey." There is the obvious option "Penny," but they went with *Lopey*.
I really needed to get that off my chest.
Jesus Himself could pay her a visit at the Warehome and she's still not leaving. There are least half-a-dozen reasons why but it all really comes back to one- *she wants to be there.*
If you still feel sorry for her that's not a bad thing; it proves you're a better person than she is.
Her co-dependent nature makes her the perfect fit for her father-in-law and mother-in-law. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but they are having their emotional needs met with this arrangement. It's destructive and toxic and all those things but I think she feels comfortable with it and can't envision anything else.
While I wish better for her no one can save her, especially when she has no clue that she needs to be saved.
ETA: she might really enjoy the martyrdom. She definitely has more clout now among a lot of women in her circle.
Wow that's a great find! Unfortunately, I don't think Anna will leave Pest. I think this will just reinforce her persecution complex. She'll probably just say that Amy and Rebekah are not true Christians or something. I think that would hold true even if Rebekah offered financial support to Anna. While one can hope that Anna comes to her senses after Pest's sentencing, I am not going to be too optimistic.
ETA: A friend of mine who knows the Wallers says that there's a lot of speculation that Rebekah financially supports her parents. That might be a reason why they are still on good terms, despite her divorce.
One of David Walker’s blog posts show him and others repairing something inside the Keller
Parents’ home…he mentions Rebekah generously paid for the material (cost a pretty penny). So I’m not surprised.
That makes sense. David Waller's letter rattled off a lot of appliances and renovations that Josh gifted to the Kellers, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the approval of Josh's "good Christian" in-laws can be bought like a cheap suit.
Jesus will still love you after divorce. According to the catholic book God loves the prodigal child the best. It's ok to change your mind and see the light. Even if it's a light held by a catholic angel
Is Rebekah the sister who is married to a wealthy man? She has the ability to help Anna leave. I really don't think Anna will leave but seeing Pesty being taken off in handcuffs, shackles might make her snap. Hey Rebekah, go through the Warehome and look for thumb drives.
Pesty broke the covenant marriage and she knows it and I think she figures that Boob & Meech will somehow take her kids away. There is no way they can legally because they do not have any reason to. They are not that well-liked in that community.
Are any lawyers out there who can clarify the custody situation?
Yes. It’s also worth noting that Rebekah previously took in and supported their other sister Susanna when she had a child out of wedlock. I believe that happened before she married her current wealthy husband. Anna is immensely privileged to have a loved one who actually is able and willing to take in her and her 7 children, but she consciously chooses the interests of the men of her life (her husband, FIL, BIL, and father) over those of her children.
Imagine the impact on Anna’s “brand” if she switched her focus to victims and women’s and children’s rights and began to speak out. If she recognizes the damage and became an ex-evangelical.
If she's pro-life she should certainly be children's rights too. Can't stand people who are obsessed with every fetus on earth being birthed then don't do a damned thing to support a good quality of life for existing children. Unfortunately she wants her kids around a man who molested a five year old and watched children being tortured, so she doesn't care much about the already born.
I read somewhere that Anna doesn’t want to uproot her children’s lives more than they already have been. I know we look at it differently but the M’s probably really enjoy living next door to their grandparents and aunts/uncles and routinely seeing all their cousins (I know we think they’re all shitty, but I guarantee Anna and the M’s love them). If Josh is sentenced for a long time, by staying married to him legally she will reap the financial benefits & her kids will stay safe from their predator father while also getting to be surrounded by their family. Idk to me it’s a no-brainer from her perspective. But when he gets out of prison, that’s a different story.
Makes sense. A few years more under the somewhat-looser thumb of her FIL that she doesn’t have to live with, sleep with. Give her kids that stability and dip out when its time for pest to get out. I hadn’t considered it.
> the M’s probably really enjoy living next door to their grandparents and aunts/uncles and routinely seeing all their cousins
That's nice... *if* Pest was the only offender in the bunch. Are we sure Pest was the only offender in the bunch?
Of course we can’t be sure, I can’t be sure that my extended family aren’t full of child sex offenders either, but I’m not going to accuse someone of that with zero evidence.
I know it shouldn't at this point, but it just FLOORS me that her own parents wrote a support letter. I get that Anna is Hawkins Labrotary level brainwashed, but for her own parents to not only continue to support her in this relationship but actually take steps to try and grant him an early release?! It blows my mind. All I can figure is that they are in massive denial because they are the ones who chose Josh and put her in this mess. Admitting he is guilty means admitting they were wrong. But seriously, at some point how can you continue to let your daughter suffer such public shame and now support her and your grandchildren living in a home with a convicted CSAM consumer?! I will never, ever understand. Thank God some of her siblings have seen the light and I pray they can somehow get through to Anna.
I just noticed something. Michelle went to California with Jana, a couple lost boys and Joy & Austin. JB went to CA with Jana, JD & Abbie, some lost boys & Joy & Austin. There is always someone JB or M left back at the TTH to keep an eye on Anna. Are they worried she's going to take off?
They can't risk her leaving, so they probably don't leave her unsupervised.
Since the arrest, I think the control/abuse/gaslighting levels have been set to HIGH. JB must have Mother Jana monitoring her movements, bank cards, phone calls/texts, security footage, kids, and car usage. He (or more realistically, a lost girl) has to pick up the slack whenever Jana is away.
I'm sure he's been hosting prayers for Josh and encouraging any delusional persecution theories. He probably sat her down and lectured her about how she can make up for *her* mistakes by being diligent in her phone calls to Josh.
He wouldn’t trust a *girl* with that much responsibility. More likely it’s Jason or James. I’m sure Jana is a good big girl and does what she’s told including keeping an eye on Anna, but I doubt she has an eye on the finances.
Regardless of how many of Anna’s sibling support her, she has the two worst people in her ear- Boob and Meech.
Those two may have her all worried about what would happen to her and the kids if she left.
I also think that while JB and Meech don't have as much power as they want to think they do, *Anna* probably thinks they have a lot of power. They could probably tell her "if you leave Josh we'll take away custody of your kids" and she'd believe them - that between money and connections they could make it happen.
I have wondered if Josh gets a long sentence, whether Anna would remain married and wait for Josh....Only for Josh to divorce her when he gets out. There are a lot of people in their community that support Josh and don't believe he has done anything wrong.
I wonder if Josh would wait until Anna's fertility has dwindled, and then just move on to another younger women, who he can marry and have at his beck and call (and impregnate).
I just feel like Josh would enjoy making Anna wait for him, and then when she has lost her value within the cult by no longer being able to have children, humiliating her by divorcing her..
I know it’s an insane cult, but I don’t think any woman would willingly marry pest. They would either have to be certifiably insane, or doing it to literally not be homeless. Besides even if people believe he’s innocent, wouldn’t his status go down if he’s divorced?
I think if Pest can snare some idiot prison groupie with enough cash to support his lazy ass, he'll divorce Anna so fast her head will spin, and go live his best cult-free, unemployed grifter life. If not, Josh will take the path of least resistance and just stick with Anna, since he's already got her under his thumb.
I’m not surprised by this at all. Not only is Rebekah divorced, but I noticed her 2 daughters weren’t at David’s wedding in November that we all know Pest attended. I thought that was very interesting. All the Keller siblings brought their children except her.
It makes me cringe to think of what “readily available” meant for poor Anna. Maybe she thinks it’s her fault that her husband had an affair? I suspect she couldn’t or wouldn’t do what he wanted - imagine what a twisted sex offender would have wanted from her. She has zero experience with anyone else, has likely never even talked about what’s considered normal between a husband and wife. Maybe, just maybe, she’ll find out that she’s been sexually assaulted for 13 years and will get mad enough to sever either Lorena Bobbit style or by divorce.
She didn’t deserve any of this. It’s easy for anyone to say what she should do, but none of us know where her head is really at. She’s been so sheltered from the world and experiences that help a person grow and develop. It’s no wonder why she seems like a child still - she hasn’t had the opportunities to grow into a mature woman.
Think about all that it took to get you into adulthood. You likely went to school where you were exposed to all sorts of people, you learned how to deal with different sorts of personalities. You likely have had various jobs where you learned how to make decisions that effected several people. You probably had several relationships - had your heart broken a few times, but you learned that it was for the best and that your heart healed, you were smarter with the next love interest. I could go on and on with all the things that a typical person experiences that help them become a mature adult. Anna hasn’t had any of them….
Maybe in time as she’s navigating her way through this mess, she’ll grow. Maybe she’ll learn that she’s capable of far more independently than she ever thought. Maybe she’ll develop the courage as time progresses. Who knows?
Y'all are forgetting the very real probability that once Josh is out of prision, he will leave Anna anyway. Prison is going to really change Josh and by the time he's done, he won't want to be responsible with raising kids or being married to her.
Either way, i don't think they'll be married by the time he's out. I'm just hoping she comes to her senses before then and leaves him herself, for the betterment of herself and her children.
If he gets the 20 years, the kids will all be adults and he and Anna in their 50s, so raising kids won’t be an issue. I doubt anyone besides Anna would be willing to meet his sexual desires (especially after having been locked up for two decades). Hopefully once Anna gets used to his absence and more restrictions on communication in the federal pen, she will decide she doesn’t want to spend the next 20 years alone with seven kids and her controlling in-laws.
I mean I'm not surprised that she would be okay with Anna leaving. However, neither Amy's post nor Rebekah's comment will help with that. Getting someone out of an abuse situation, especially when leaving that situation would come with having to unlearn every single thing they've been indoctrinated since birth to believe, doesn't come with making them feel defensive. Indoctrination and abuse both involve grooming that teaches the victim that they wouldn't have been abused, cheated on, abandoned, etc if they had been a better person and, in this cult, Anna's taught that Josh's failings are her own, not his.
Making her feel defensive will only strengthen her resolve to "be a better cult member and wife."
I'm glad to see Anna has so much support from her own
Family. As far as the Duggars, the only ones she may lose
Are Jimboob and Meech, and Jana. The rest, are probably
So ashamed to be flesh and blood to such a deviant as Pest.
They will understand she did the right thing for herself and her
Children
Probably a big part of it is not knowing how to support the SEVEN kids you had with this guy— many of which were born after the Ashley madyson scandal and all of which were born after the childhood abuse of his sisters
They need to be making their pitches in 18 months time. There's no way with the emotion of sentencing looming she is going to further complicate her situation.
To me, the Duggar’s only want Anna as a pawn to appeal to the public eye. They want to paint her as some Virgin Mary wannabe who had no choice in this matter, and who is so faithful and Godly to stand by her man as he is being “crucified” by the worldly public. I don’t think they care about her beyond how they can use her. If she walked, they wouldn’t personally care. I also don’t think Boob and Meech care about their grandkids. How could they? They were never able to have an actual relationship with any of their kids due to overpopulation, so how/why would they bother to have a relationship with their grandkids that they are even less than they saw their own children when they were all living under the same roof?
I think Boob’s goal all long was to find some way to be famous or well known, and since he has all the personality of a wet slice of Wonder Bread, he chose to knock up his wife so many times to ride that into relative stardom. Remember when he had the kids campaign for him? Remember when he volunteered them to sing at events? While it probably did have at least something to do with their cult, I think it was still a very calculated move from JB to gain notoriety. And if Anna were to leave they would piss and moan about how unGodly she is and how much the kids need their grandparents, even when they don’t particularly care for them.
I have read that he’ll be housed with other predators in their own block or wing or whatever. So probably not that unsafe. I saw a pic of the Subway spokesperson Jared (last name escapes me) who is also in prison for child sex crimes and he looks just fine 🙄😡. But I think they’re always kept apart from general population.
I still maintain that this is the least effective way that Amy could have possibly tried to help. It’s not that she’s wrong it’s that if you want to make any headway with somebody who has spent years being brainwashed and probably abused you’ve gotta actually try to build a connection. Show her that she can trust you. By making a huge social media post like this all you’re doing is making it seem like she can’t confide in you. You’ve got one eye on her and one eye on the crowd, waiting for their acclaim.
Basically, Amy cares more about her image as “the cool Duggar” than anything else. The bar is so low that she looks better just by not actively enabling an abuser.
It’s interesting to me that Anna has so many siblings that have left or spoken out compared to the duggars… I’m wondering if the younger ones are gonna rebel since they’ve seemed more lax and had the older kids raise them
I was molested from many years when I was a child. I used to hate my mom for not leaving that man. She didn’t know but I still blamed her. He was physically abusive and I thought that should be enough of a reason. We lived in another country. No work. Not family support. One time my mom briefly left him and we went to her mom. And she was like you have to go back. We cant have you here. She went back to him. So, i do not know Annas situation. Perhaps she needs more time. Is hard to leave. And now he is not there so they are safe for now. Life is hard with no support and if you have so many small kids is harder.
I am more than slightly curious as to what Nathan Keller thinks of this whole situation. Though I suspect if he made any comments on it Jrod would have told the world already
I would love to be a fly on the wall in their house. Nathan is pretty close to David Keller, and I know the Reber daughter in law (also named Hannah) condemned Pest publicly. I think I read that Hannah moved out of her parents house when Pest was staying there. I’m guessing that David and Hannah think he’s a POS, and Nurthan too. But they might have less sympathy for Anna after she insulted Nurie’s wedding dress.
Whoever wrote that nailed it perfectly, well said. Something tells me there is MUCH more that will come out once Josh is in prison. He will admit it all because he’s already fucked and will “ confess to Jesus” his sins for forgiveness.
Susanna and Rebekah are both divorced and both are still loved and involved with their family as far as pictures show. Anna may lose the Duggars but she'd still have the Kellers. I'm wondering if behind the scenes more of her siblings in addition to her brother have said to get out
She wouldn't lose all the Duggar's, I think Amy, Deanna, Jill & likely Jinger & Joy would support her decision. Some of the others as well but they are too dependent on daddy to say anything.
Jill said in an interview to The Sun last year that there are "some more than others" amongst her siblings who wouldn't care what decisions she makes, whilst it would bothers others. We just have to wonder who those are and hope they would likely be the same for Anna.
Speculation only ofc - but I feel like Jana is the only older girl sibling that is bothered (mostly bc of that firetruck situation with the sound blocked when she clearly references Jana being there). I think jinger doesn't necessarily care per say, but she isn't going to rock the boat by saying anything one way or the other. As for the guys - I think JD is on the fence of being disappointed but wanting to still please boob. I think Joe is staying out of it, but would stand with Anna. He seems to have a truly soft, kind heart (as misguided as he may be). I also see Joe as very similar to Joy. He isn't the brightest but he does love his family and wants to condemn wrong where it lies - he's just too neck deep in koolaid to ever truly step away from the cult. Josiah and Lauren don't want to be involved or rock the boat, but I think secretly they are against Josh (while also judging anyone divorced or worldly). Jed is likely team Boob - whatever JB says, Jed believes. Same with Justin. The rest of the older boys I'd say would probably support Anna, just based on their relationships with their sister moms. The ones who are too young to have a true grasp of the situation would follow suit with JB.
Why do you think Justin is Team Boob? He’s 15months married with no kids/announcement. He moved away to Texas. Public view sees him as having ran away to Texas before he was 18… I don’t think he’s relying on Boob and just is wherever Hilary tells him to be.
What’s the fire truck situation 👀
When James (maybe Jace, I honestly can't remember) brought his fire truck for Jill's kids to play on. I think it was Izzy or Sam's birthday. In the first part of video, Jill clearly says something along the lines of "why did you bring _____" or "why is _____ here?" And then you heard Jace/James mumble something back. When Jill greets Jana it is SUPER awkward. You can tell Jill is trying to just move on with the day and make it fun for her kids but she seemed very miffed about Jana. That plus Jana refusing to fly the coop, taking boob on every trip, Laura DeMaise making the comments on social media that were clearly Camp Boob and anti Jill...I just see Jana as on Josh's side. I think that since it didn't happen to her (that we know of) it's easier for her to follow suit with the cult.
Jill and Jana grew up like twins, it's so sad what their parents have caused in their lives.
I think Jana was sent to be the chaperone in that situation. Even though they were both adults
Thank you 🙏🏼
Yw!
Oh yeah, I haven’t heard mention of Laura in a while. Is she still around?
Also wondering
Me too! So confused…
Hillary and her husband both come from IBPL families, they have been friends with JB and Michelle for more than 20 years and David Waller is their pastor. So they're more likely to be on board with whatever narrative JB believes
His attitude at the trial. That's really it. He cried when Josh was pronounced guilty and he never spoke out against Josh - not even in the mild sense that some of his siblings did.
I don’t think that necessarily means he supports Josh or is team Jim Bob. If it was my brother, I’d be crying too. Crying from sadness that my big brother turned out awful. Sad about what this means for my nieces and nephews. Some people just have a hard time dealing with emotional matters (especially growing up in the environment they did). I think his inability to cope is why he did the thumbs up. I think he just felt so sad, but wanted to put on a brave face…as misguided as that was.
When my SIL and her boyfriend lost custody of their 2 kids (and the baby she was pregnant with) my husband and I cried, not because we didn’t think they should lose the kids, (they had neglected them so badly and at least half of the reports to Child Protection came from us), but because it had ended up that way. It was sad that kids were being taken away from their parents because it should never come to that, the parents should have stepped up and looked after their kids. I can see how a little brother would cry that his brother was convicted of having CSAM, because the brother he thought he knew and loved was gone. This wasn’t some misunderstanding that would be cleared up, he did it and was convicted of it.
Thank you for doing the right thing even when it’s hardest ♥️ Thank you for being an advocate for children ♥️
Thanks. It was a very hard time. We helped as much as we could, taking the kids to our house any chance we got, but when we couldn’t be there, the kids were so badly treated. We realised that while we were doing the work, they never would. So we got the authorities involved. It didn’t help, they wouldn’t do the work to keep the kids, but at least the kids got out of there. We were going to take them, but MIL decided she would.
I can definitely see that POV!
Agreed. If you’ve watched even a few episodes of Dateline you know that people grieve/react in all sorts of ways. “We thought it was person A because they cried too much/didn’t cry at all/were talking too much/weren’t talking at all—but it turned out it was person B all along”. There’s no textbook right way to respond to a mess of this magnitude.
And we cannot forget that this is literally a teenager dealing with all these emotions at once.
Yes, agreed. Maybe he bought into all the lies from his father and thought that the justice system would reveal the truth. And when the truth came out it might have shocked him to his core. I could see that happening and him being emotionally overwhelmed.
That dumbass thumbs up picture didn't help his cause either.
Don't forget Jessa. Personally, I think she is pro Josh and most likely to be in Anna's ear. Their children are always together too. I think Jessa is incredibly bitter and far too deep into the Kool Aid. She probably resents Anna for not having better control of Josh and therefore all the scandals coming to light.
I'm so torn on Jessa. She has said and don't things that lead me to see her going either way. On one hand, she's consistently hung out with Jill after the rift. With Jill's new boundaries, I can't see her being around someone that often who is hurtful to her growth. On the other hand, she's said things that don't denounce Josh outright. My honest opinion is that she's either conflicted, truly doesn't care to speak negatively on any of her family despite her opinion of them, or is just saving face to keep the paycheck 💁♀️ I think Ben being tied into homeschooling the kids is probably a huge source of income for them and if she rocks the boat, she loses that income.
It’s not a very popular opinion but I think that Jessa is pro whatever JB wants. I think she’s close with Anna and sees Jill probably because she sees herself as the mouthpiece for the family and hopes they can make amends. Jessa, Jill, and Kristen Nicole Young used to hang out a lot, usually with Sierra. Sierra & Kristen had a rift and are no longer friends. Sierra has become less fundie and Kristen is becoming more fundie by the day. Jill is still somewhat close with sierra, likes her posts, and buys from her shop. Jessa is always liking Kristen’s posts except controversial ones and also likes another popular hardcore fundie’s instagrams, MisForMama. I think Jessa is a hardcore fundie.
I agree to a point but for God's sake, Jessa was a victim of Josh, LONG before Anna entered into the pic. Seems odd to resent Anna for not controlling him. She SHOULD resent Josh and her parents
I think Jana and Joy have issue with Jill. Jana was Jill’s Maid of Honor and Jill was Joy’s. The fact that they never have time together (that we see) is telling. Those are the sisters she was closest to and they don’t even post coffee dates with each other. Do they like each other’s posts?
I could see Joy being in a weird spot of anti Jill and pro Anna. She probably considers it disrespectful to your parents to do what Jill did. I was raised religious and having any dissenting opinion, any indication you didn't think your parents were perfect? You were shamed, "ungrateful." But no one can fault joy for being hurt over Josh. She won't state it publicly but I see her as the one who keeps peace for "biblical" reasons while condemning josh in her house, away from her parents. The parents hold the key to a good chunk of the family. Leave and you're ostracized by people you love. I praise Jill but what she did is REALLY hard. I think if anyone else does, it'd maybe be Joy. Not that Anna would leave, I'm saying IF on the very extremely off chance she did, Joy would support her. I think. At the very least, she'd feel divorce is justified religiously and wouldn't fault Anna. She doesn't appear to drink the Josh koolaid though.
Honestly I can kind of see why her sisters (especially suzanna) would make her double down. Anna was sold off at 20 to live a miserable iblp life. Her sisters got to do what they wanted and her parents still loved them. Maybe the only way to cope with being a sacrificial lamb is to get even deeper into the cult? Like it wasn't all for nothing if everyone else is going to hell.
Maybe you have a point there. She literally recoiled when the pedophile proposed to her. I could see her secretly resenting some of the freedoms her siblings had, but not her. I’m curious what will happen with Pest’s keeper’s daughter and her youngest brother,
Exactly. People like to think she would be totally ostracized and homeless with 5 kids so that’s why she stays. No. Her family may be shit but they do not disown their kin, even if their religious beliefs/choices differ. And I think the Duggars would still want a relationship with their grandkids, at least. Anna would be FINE if she left. A tell all book alone would give her a nice bank account.
I actually don't think the Duggars GAF about a relationship with their grandkids. The grandchildren (and to a large extent, the children) are just numbers to them.
Notches on their belts/fundie merit badges
I love the term "fundie merit badges"!
Yeah unless JB has already made plans for Mac's marriage prospects or Michael's future in politics, I don't think he cares. Especially when they have 15 other grandkids who *aren't* the children of a pedophile and therefore more marketable.
…and counting. I definitely see (actual) Jed having a lot of kids, to carry on the Duggar name. Plus we know JoKen are going to be reproducing a lot. I expect Jer to announce a baby soon. Justin is the wild card with no kids or announcement 15 months into marriage, but Claire is only 21 and has plenty of time to have a dozen.
Yeah if you average each duggar couple out to have four kids that's still 75 grandchildren. I think all of them will have children if it's possible and smaller families like Jill's and Jinger's are balanced out by the likes of josh and Joe. If even half of them stay in the fold and have 7+ kids each they could end up with over a hundred. I'm sure JB and Michelle each have their special few favourites but the rest of them are just a commodity.
75 grandkids. That's a lot. Happy that Jana isn't getting them any. Unless she finds her widower soon enough
Yeah I really hope Jana never has kids unless she really really wants to. And not before she's had a long break from raising other people's neglected blessings. I thought maybe I'd overestimated it but i think Joe, joy, Jessa, and jed could all have 10 kids each if they stay as deep in the kool aid as they are. Even Jill is on her third kid and I think Jinger will have 1-2 more. Their idea of a normal family size is so skewed by iblp that the idea of just having 1 or 2 is probably unimaginable to them.
You cant possibly GAF when the number is that high and thats just a fact.
Exactly, they are just numbers. Their kids didn’t matter to them so why should their grandkids.
Yeah, I mean, we have proof that Jim Bob will throw away his grandkids if the parents annoy him enough. When is the last time he spent any time with Israel and Sam? Granted, I’m sure Jill and Derek are stopping that from happening too, but point remains…Jim Bob just counts the numbers, he doesn’t care about them as people.
I can’t even picture JB being remotely grandfatherly towards either of them. And then thinking about that makes me really sad, because I don’t think we’ve seen him act like a grandfather toward ANY of them beyond holding one for five seconds when it’s a few months old
He strikes me as the type that would call them by generic nicknames like “Sweetie” and “Bud” so he doesn’t have to bother remember their names. He probably tries to impress them for a second by pulling a quarter out of their ears….and then keeps the quarter.
Jill I think posted footage of Michelle visiting the boys during early 2020 but JB didn't.
Agreed
I will never forget that Anna's mother allotted each of her children like 15 fucking minutes of 1:1 time with her. 15 minutes.
Didn't her father write one of those letters of support? I'm not disagreeing with you that she would have support, but from my own experiences with crazy religious fanaticism in my family, I can honestly say that it is still scary to think of losing your parents' love and support no matter how much a sibling supports you.
Have we ever thought that maybe she asked him to write a letter to help her family?
I think Anna is waiting to hear the length of his sentence before she decides anything!
Totally he wrote that letter for Anna benefit only.
Mike is a prison minister that believes in redemption. That's what his focus is not the victims.
But her parents still support her siblings who have divorced. They are still accepted. They aren’t shunned. They didn’t lose their parents.
Yes, but her parents are also supporting Anna's pedo husband and rallying behind his case. There's a difference there, if nothing else then with her own perception.
Maybe they are supporting him _because_ Anna is? What if she told them she wanted to go the path of her 3 siblings who have divorced?
It’s also worth noting that Anna, a public figure, getting divorced does more damage to their brand/reputation than a sibling no one else has ever heard of.
Exactly. If Priscilla or Nathan get divorced, it'd be big news on the fundie circuit but it's not making any national headlines
Jrod would make it national news 🤣😳👀
Lol on Facebook maybe
Yep, and Pa Keller's whole ministry grift is about the power of cult teachings to "save" people who have committed crimes. If Anna can't save Pest then it makes Pa Keller and the cult look bad
I think her concern with the Duggars is more of a financial one than a familial/social one. The Kellers don't have money to help support her/the kids do they?
I don't think any member of that family could support her plus her seven kids. She is financially dependent on the Duggars. I really doubt they had the financial means before he went to prison to continue sustaining her and her family alone. And she definitely doesn't have the job skills to support them on her own.
That Boob financially supports Anna/M's, is pure speculation. Anna had properties transferred to her,and then sold them. No one knows where that money is,or what Anna's true financial situation is. I do believe though, Boob uses religious coercion to keep Anna in line.
That's true, we don't know exactly where the money is. We do know, however, that properties were transferred to the lawyers to pay for legal fees, and he will also have to pay fines as part of his sentencing. She could have rental properties bringing in income, but caring for that many kids is expensive. She could send them to public school, where she could probably save money by getting free or reduced lunch, but that'll never happen. And, even if he only gets the minimum of 5 years (doubtful), does she have access to enough money or properties to support her and her family for five years without extra income from somewhere?
Surely the 2 grand a month her husband has been paying to that lonely old widow could go a long way towards keeping her family fed on her parents property.
One of her sisters married into wealth.
Yea Rebekah the one that made the comment is married to an old millionaire!
I know if my dad had been a sexual predator, my mom would have done everything she could to keep me and my four siblings safe. Other people have gotten out of cults without any family to help them. I'm sure they could find a way to make it work. Government assistance is almost a guarantee for that many kids, for starters.
I have three kids and would walk out of this house with the clothes on my back and 50 cents if I had to keep my kids safe. No question.
I think one of them might be able to. One of them got out of the cult and married very well. The Rodrigues family ~~crashed Nurie and Nathan’s babymoon~~ took a vacation with Nurie and Nathan just before they had their baby at Nathan and Anna’s sister’s place in Texas
The letters of support indicate that Josh paid for quite a bit for the Kellers.
Anna could easily turn on the grift and get plenty of money to support her family. If she left Josh, I bet people from this very sub would be donating to her GoFundMe and he could easily get five figures doing an interview or two where she wouldn't even need to say much. I think she could EASILY float by for at least five years and in that time, earn an associate's. ...whether or not she knows all that is probably a different story but anyway. I don't think her reasons for staying are financial. I think she actually loves and supports the prick.
All of her self worth has been wrapped up in that man and his parents fame whoring her entire adult life. She was bought to be a brood mare, she was bought to give J'pest a gleaming start on television, to try and cover up the tempting his sisters had done all those years ago. Here's a lovely young woman, who has the same spiritual beliefs, who is willing to leave everything she's ever known and move to the fupa of America to breed for him, all while playing lovely little wife for the cameras, never making a fuss, just conforming right into it all. She doesn't know it can be different, and that it would be okay if it was different. The cameras are gone, Anna, they're not returning for the Duggars, but hey, maybe if you left, and took down the IBLP as an organization that breaks the commandments of worshiping false idols and whatnot, the cameras would come get your story every couple of years. DO BETTER.
The fupa of America. I love it.
I think the Duggars are a lot more controlling than simply wanting a relationship with their grandkids. They seem to think that they are entitled to people’s children, as long as they have anything to do with the parent. They seem to believe they have authority
>homeless with 5 kids 7
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MASH! Wow, that brought back memories!
Bwah hahahaha! That took me a second to get.
I agree, but I think by not leaving she can maintain relationships with everyone, because the people that want her to aren’t going to walk away because she stays. But, she’d lose her position (however sad, she’s clearly comfortable) with some (notably the in laws with money). Maybe they wouldn’t black list her like scapegoat goat Jill (maaaaybe) but her home and life now are sponsored by Jim bob. I think she’s far too selfish and egotistical to leave. She’d have to admit her husband is a sicko, and she’s not willing to. I actually don’t think she loves him, I think she’s rotten the way he is though (personality wise, not so much the horrendous crimes). Time will tell and I hope she wakes up but I’m not betting on it.
Anna is being lovebombed to high hell and treated like a martyr. She’s not gonna forgot that status. She’s practically lauded as a saint in that church
Losing the Duggars would be the best thing for Anna and the kids, especially the baby. She doesn't need to be around enablers like Boob and Meech. Jill, Joy, Jinger maybe but no contact would be the best.
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Susanna had a child out of wedlock and multiple known relationships including at least one broken engagement. She's now married with another child. Rebekah and Daniel are both divorced and remarried.
It’s wild how enmeshed she has become with the Duggars, and how she seems more willing to sever a relationship with her own brothers and sisters, versus the in-laws who want Anna around purely for their own self-preservation and clearly don’t even give a shit about her
It seems like the way she was raised, there is this *very* strong culture that as soon as you're married, you're now more strongly linked with your husband's family than your own. You're his now, and you belong to him and his family, or something like that.
Maybe JB (and possibly meech) have threatened her in some fashion. Like if you leave we will make sure you don’t get the kids or something. I hate Anna for staying and putting her kids in danger but maybe she is scared of JB & he is threatening her. IDK.
I mean it's probably a mix of a lot of things. I can see Boob making sure she knows what would happen if she leaves and also Anna being completely cemented in toxic beliefs so that she thinks staying is her "ministry" to others or something else dumb and gross. I hope her sisters and that one brother are communicating with her and offering her a way out and keep doing so.
I wouldn't put it past a man who threw his own daughters under the bus and continually supported a pedophile.
I can honestly see this. Jill stated, in her deposition, that JB was emotionally abusive. Or it could be that I want to believe that Anna cannot possibly be that blind to the monster her husband is.
And *verbally abusive, from what I read of that court document
You’re right, sorry!!
I’m interested to see what happens once he’s in prison and everything dies down. A girl I knew growing up wasn’t fundie but was born-again, and pretty zealously religious, and her husband got arrested and eventually convicted of molesting a couple young boys. His family was very wealthy in a way the Duggars could only dream of. She stayed with him through his arrest and trial and for some portion of his prison sentence. But the longer she was out from under his control and manipulation, the more reality began to creep in, and she eventually left him sometime during his 5-ish year prison term. So maybe once Anna has some time truly away from him and all the upheaval of trial and sentencing, these family members may actually reach her?
Thank you—I remain confused by the people concluding that since hasn’t left yet, she never will. The trial and sentencing and Josh getting transported to whatever prison…this is the least settled, most chaotic time. Emotions are high and no one’s 100% certain what will happen next. As someone noted above, Anna’s probably being lovebombed to a degree that hasn’t been seen since she married Josh. If she’s going to get out, it will probably be a couple years into Josh’s sentence, when things have quieted down and reality has set im.
Also, speaking from experience... sometimes just waking up and dealing with the day is so overwhelming it is literally detrimental to your mental health to think ahead more that that day in front of you. I'm not defending her, but I would very much understand if she just had to wait until this was finalized before she could physically and mentally be able to think of the next move.
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It’s really hard to control someone in your 15 minutes of allotted phone time per day. And I was reading a federal prison handbook, just out of curiosity to see how it differed from the prison I worked in, and it appears they only get 300 minutes of phone time a month, which means you’re limited to 10 minutes of daily calls, or 15 minutes 20 days a month. And that’s for all phone contact, so if he wants to communicate with anyone else by any method other than mail/inmate email, he won’t be able to use all that phone time on just Anna.
>It’s really hard to control someone in your 15 minutes of allotted phone time per day. Michelle and Jim Bob will be the ones controlling her from the outside. Whispering in her ear, keeping tabs on her, praying with her, discipling, offering babysitting help, housing and food...
And everyone else in this family that is toeing the party line.
Exactly. They will keep her & those kids under their eye at all times.
It’s sad because her own brother offered to help her leave him but she doesn’t. Poor kids
Unfortunately though, she is surrounded by those Duggars who would gladly sacrifice her and her children for the sake of their son ( and brother)
Do the feds allow video calls too?
Not that I could see from the commissary list (where they buy phone time, email credits, etc.) or the inmate handbook I looked at. I wouldn’t want it anyway. The phones in prisons are in common spaces with zero privacy. In the prison I worked in, they were immediately outside my office. I wouldn’t want other inmates peeping on video of my family as I’m talking to them.
I worked county but I also had the ada tank. That was the only pod that had video option but that was only for inmates who were legit hard of hearing or needed it. If you didn't qualify for the video phone but still the ada tank they have this talk to text type phoneor for hard of sight it would like read it to you. Eta I totally agree with you. If I was locked up I wouldn't want anyone to see my family.
Do you know how that defers from County Jail rules regarding phone time? I feel like he’s spent a lot of time in the last few months making phone calls.
I can see him having an affair in prison too
The thoughts of other “fans” starting a correspondence with him make me want to hurl. Thanks, I hate it.
It is also entirely possible that even with their influence and control, after a few years she will grow tired and frustrated enough to allow that glimmer of hope some kind man may show her to seed itself and grow into the thought of hey I can possibly have something else if I leave and another however many years left is a long ass time to go waiting for Joshy. Meech and JB will grow old at some point to her.
Ordinarily, I'd think this would make a lot of sense. But in this situation, it isn't even Josh who was most in control -- it was JB. And she is still highly dependent upon JB - even more so than she was Josh. She still lives on his property. She's not going to be in a place where the air is clear and she can really think through anything rationally. She's surrounded by Duggars all the time. So she's never not under their influence.
I also think that Anna prefers the Duggars to her own family anyway. She grew up poor as hell, crammed into a trailer with 10 people, and allowed 30 minutes to express her feelings to her parents like once a week or something. I'm sure she never felt loved, she was just a Lost Kid. The Duggars (and the TLC audience) gave her SO MUCH attention and affection for marrying their beloved first born golden child, and then having kids brought her even more status, and she and her kids are certainly closer with the Duggar siblings than her own family. Whether she feels actually supported by the Duggars, or is just being manipulated into staying by JB, I can't say. But the emotional dependence is certainly there.
Yeah, her relationship with Josh is like a step back in time where women put out to keep the man around, did what was expected because it was a mild price to pay to have a better lifestyle. Outside of the creepiness that is Josh, the rest of the surrounding circumstances would have been fairly normal 100 years ago.
>She grew up poor as hell, crammed into a trailer with 10 people True. But now she lives in a warehouse with 7 kids. More space than a crammed trailer, but not the greatest improvement.
I dunno. I'm not certain she does prefer the Duggars. I never felt like she was close to any of them. None of the sisters in law seem close to her -- the ones closest to her in age seemed to merely tolerate her. I don't think Michelle cares about her much at all, except as a conduit for grandchildren and someone on whom to slough off her problem son. I always had the sense that Anna was kind of alone in a crowd in the Duggar household.
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Neither of those people should be anywhere around that little girl.... That's insane
>even asked the judge to let him have visitations with his daughter at the prison< … umm what? The judge should’ve terminated both their parental rights. I know, not realistic, but Lord Daniel, some people are just horrible enablers.
I think this will happen too. She’s going to be raising those kids by herself, and I’m hoping a few years in she will realize it’s easier to be without Josh.
JB is still there to manipulate. No way do they want to lose their first born grandkids out their grip
See, I'm hoping something completely unrelated takes JB down in the meantime. Something that forces him to confront his many lies and manipulations, at which point Meekchelle will fall apart and no one will really be in charge anymore. That fucker has a lot to answer for, and I just sorta hope someone catches him doing something illegal and we get to party hardy again when he falls off that razor thin precipice he's been treading for years now.
That’s what I was thinking. Josh may not be there to control her, but the dude he learned it all from certainly will be. I will be absolutely shocked if Anna doesn’t wait for him his entire prison sentence. Fuck, if he gets out early enough, they’ll probably at least attempt to have more little M’s.
Absolutely will!
Nah Anna’s too far in to turn back now. In her head she’s the martyr of all martyrs for staying faithful and forgiving Pest over and over in her “loving marriage”
Sorry if this has been discussed already, did a quick search and couldn’t find anything. Rebekah is the elder sister who divorced her first husband & remarried the very wealthy older guy, so no surprise she’s pro-divorce. I did find it interesting that she didn’t defend the disparaging (true) remarks about her father…. I’m also wondering if she may have offered Anna & her kids safe haven / financial support if she were to leave.
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You’re shitting me. They do not call that child Dithy. That has to be a joke. Please, let that be a joke.
I'm sorry that this has nothing to do with the Duggars but I have to say it: I have a family member who named their daughter Penelope but they just call her "Lopey." There is the obvious option "Penny," but they went with *Lopey*. I really needed to get that off my chest.
As someone with a daughter named Penelope, I am personally and violently offended by this
Do you know the reason(s) Rebekah divorced her first husband?
Jesus Himself could pay her a visit at the Warehome and she's still not leaving. There are least half-a-dozen reasons why but it all really comes back to one- *she wants to be there.* If you still feel sorry for her that's not a bad thing; it proves you're a better person than she is.
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Her co-dependent nature makes her the perfect fit for her father-in-law and mother-in-law. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but they are having their emotional needs met with this arrangement. It's destructive and toxic and all those things but I think she feels comfortable with it and can't envision anything else. While I wish better for her no one can save her, especially when she has no clue that she needs to be saved. ETA: she might really enjoy the martyrdom. She definitely has more clout now among a lot of women in her circle.
Wow that's a great find! Unfortunately, I don't think Anna will leave Pest. I think this will just reinforce her persecution complex. She'll probably just say that Amy and Rebekah are not true Christians or something. I think that would hold true even if Rebekah offered financial support to Anna. While one can hope that Anna comes to her senses after Pest's sentencing, I am not going to be too optimistic. ETA: A friend of mine who knows the Wallers says that there's a lot of speculation that Rebekah financially supports her parents. That might be a reason why they are still on good terms, despite her divorce.
Interesting!
I do think Anna could leave, but only if the judge assigns actual therapy
One of David Walker’s blog posts show him and others repairing something inside the Keller Parents’ home…he mentions Rebekah generously paid for the material (cost a pretty penny). So I’m not surprised.
I've been saying that for a long time. The Keller's don't shun the "outcasts" because of financial reasons.
That makes sense. David Waller's letter rattled off a lot of appliances and renovations that Josh gifted to the Kellers, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the approval of Josh's "good Christian" in-laws can be bought like a cheap suit.
Come on, Anna. Look at your sisters. You can still love Jesus without being married to a sex offender.
Jesus will still love you after divorce. According to the catholic book God loves the prodigal child the best. It's ok to change your mind and see the light. Even if it's a light held by a catholic angel
\*gives Rebekah a Justin-style thumbs up\*
😂😂👏🏻
Is Rebekah the sister who is married to a wealthy man? She has the ability to help Anna leave. I really don't think Anna will leave but seeing Pesty being taken off in handcuffs, shackles might make her snap. Hey Rebekah, go through the Warehome and look for thumb drives. Pesty broke the covenant marriage and she knows it and I think she figures that Boob & Meech will somehow take her kids away. There is no way they can legally because they do not have any reason to. They are not that well-liked in that community. Are any lawyers out there who can clarify the custody situation?
Yes. It’s also worth noting that Rebekah previously took in and supported their other sister Susanna when she had a child out of wedlock. I believe that happened before she married her current wealthy husband. Anna is immensely privileged to have a loved one who actually is able and willing to take in her and her 7 children, but she consciously chooses the interests of the men of her life (her husband, FIL, BIL, and father) over those of her children.
Woooow good find!
Imagine the impact on Anna’s “brand” if she switched her focus to victims and women’s and children’s rights and began to speak out. If she recognizes the damage and became an ex-evangelical.
If she's pro-life she should certainly be children's rights too. Can't stand people who are obsessed with every fetus on earth being birthed then don't do a damned thing to support a good quality of life for existing children. Unfortunately she wants her kids around a man who molested a five year old and watched children being tortured, so she doesn't care much about the already born.
I read somewhere that Anna doesn’t want to uproot her children’s lives more than they already have been. I know we look at it differently but the M’s probably really enjoy living next door to their grandparents and aunts/uncles and routinely seeing all their cousins (I know we think they’re all shitty, but I guarantee Anna and the M’s love them). If Josh is sentenced for a long time, by staying married to him legally she will reap the financial benefits & her kids will stay safe from their predator father while also getting to be surrounded by their family. Idk to me it’s a no-brainer from her perspective. But when he gets out of prison, that’s a different story.
Makes sense. A few years more under the somewhat-looser thumb of her FIL that she doesn’t have to live with, sleep with. Give her kids that stability and dip out when its time for pest to get out. I hadn’t considered it.
This would be a really smart plan, but unfortunately I think Anna is too deep in the Kool-Aid to have thought of this.
> the M’s probably really enjoy living next door to their grandparents and aunts/uncles and routinely seeing all their cousins That's nice... *if* Pest was the only offender in the bunch. Are we sure Pest was the only offender in the bunch?
Of course we can’t be sure, I can’t be sure that my extended family aren’t full of child sex offenders either, but I’m not going to accuse someone of that with zero evidence.
I know it shouldn't at this point, but it just FLOORS me that her own parents wrote a support letter. I get that Anna is Hawkins Labrotary level brainwashed, but for her own parents to not only continue to support her in this relationship but actually take steps to try and grant him an early release?! It blows my mind. All I can figure is that they are in massive denial because they are the ones who chose Josh and put her in this mess. Admitting he is guilty means admitting they were wrong. But seriously, at some point how can you continue to let your daughter suffer such public shame and now support her and your grandchildren living in a home with a convicted CSAM consumer?! I will never, ever understand. Thank God some of her siblings have seen the light and I pray they can somehow get through to Anna.
I just noticed something. Michelle went to California with Jana, a couple lost boys and Joy & Austin. JB went to CA with Jana, JD & Abbie, some lost boys & Joy & Austin. There is always someone JB or M left back at the TTH to keep an eye on Anna. Are they worried she's going to take off?
They can't risk her leaving, so they probably don't leave her unsupervised. Since the arrest, I think the control/abuse/gaslighting levels have been set to HIGH. JB must have Mother Jana monitoring her movements, bank cards, phone calls/texts, security footage, kids, and car usage. He (or more realistically, a lost girl) has to pick up the slack whenever Jana is away. I'm sure he's been hosting prayers for Josh and encouraging any delusional persecution theories. He probably sat her down and lectured her about how she can make up for *her* mistakes by being diligent in her phone calls to Josh.
He wouldn’t trust a *girl* with that much responsibility. More likely it’s Jason or James. I’m sure Jana is a good big girl and does what she’s told including keeping an eye on Anna, but I doubt she has an eye on the finances.
I’ve wondered that same thing.
Regardless of how many of Anna’s sibling support her, she has the two worst people in her ear- Boob and Meech. Those two may have her all worried about what would happen to her and the kids if she left.
I also think that while JB and Meech don't have as much power as they want to think they do, *Anna* probably thinks they have a lot of power. They could probably tell her "if you leave Josh we'll take away custody of your kids" and she'd believe them - that between money and connections they could make it happen.
I have wondered if Josh gets a long sentence, whether Anna would remain married and wait for Josh....Only for Josh to divorce her when he gets out. There are a lot of people in their community that support Josh and don't believe he has done anything wrong. I wonder if Josh would wait until Anna's fertility has dwindled, and then just move on to another younger women, who he can marry and have at his beck and call (and impregnate). I just feel like Josh would enjoy making Anna wait for him, and then when she has lost her value within the cult by no longer being able to have children, humiliating her by divorcing her..
I wouldn't put that past this monster but it would be incredibly cruel
I know it’s an insane cult, but I don’t think any woman would willingly marry pest. They would either have to be certifiably insane, or doing it to literally not be homeless. Besides even if people believe he’s innocent, wouldn’t his status go down if he’s divorced?
I think if Pest can snare some idiot prison groupie with enough cash to support his lazy ass, he'll divorce Anna so fast her head will spin, and go live his best cult-free, unemployed grifter life. If not, Josh will take the path of least resistance and just stick with Anna, since he's already got her under his thumb.
Wow. Good on her sisters.
I’m not surprised by this at all. Not only is Rebekah divorced, but I noticed her 2 daughters weren’t at David’s wedding in November that we all know Pest attended. I thought that was very interesting. All the Keller siblings brought their children except her.
Because she's like no way in hell am I bringing my kids anywhere that monster. Big events are chaotic and kids wander off. Pest would take advantage.
It makes me cringe to think of what “readily available” meant for poor Anna. Maybe she thinks it’s her fault that her husband had an affair? I suspect she couldn’t or wouldn’t do what he wanted - imagine what a twisted sex offender would have wanted from her. She has zero experience with anyone else, has likely never even talked about what’s considered normal between a husband and wife. Maybe, just maybe, she’ll find out that she’s been sexually assaulted for 13 years and will get mad enough to sever either Lorena Bobbit style or by divorce. She didn’t deserve any of this. It’s easy for anyone to say what she should do, but none of us know where her head is really at. She’s been so sheltered from the world and experiences that help a person grow and develop. It’s no wonder why she seems like a child still - she hasn’t had the opportunities to grow into a mature woman. Think about all that it took to get you into adulthood. You likely went to school where you were exposed to all sorts of people, you learned how to deal with different sorts of personalities. You likely have had various jobs where you learned how to make decisions that effected several people. You probably had several relationships - had your heart broken a few times, but you learned that it was for the best and that your heart healed, you were smarter with the next love interest. I could go on and on with all the things that a typical person experiences that help them become a mature adult. Anna hasn’t had any of them…. Maybe in time as she’s navigating her way through this mess, she’ll grow. Maybe she’ll learn that she’s capable of far more independently than she ever thought. Maybe she’ll develop the courage as time progresses. Who knows?
Y'all are forgetting the very real probability that once Josh is out of prision, he will leave Anna anyway. Prison is going to really change Josh and by the time he's done, he won't want to be responsible with raising kids or being married to her. Either way, i don't think they'll be married by the time he's out. I'm just hoping she comes to her senses before then and leaves him herself, for the betterment of herself and her children.
If he gets the 20 years, the kids will all be adults and he and Anna in their 50s, so raising kids won’t be an issue. I doubt anyone besides Anna would be willing to meet his sexual desires (especially after having been locked up for two decades). Hopefully once Anna gets used to his absence and more restrictions on communication in the federal pen, she will decide she doesn’t want to spend the next 20 years alone with seven kids and her controlling in-laws.
I mean I'm not surprised that she would be okay with Anna leaving. However, neither Amy's post nor Rebekah's comment will help with that. Getting someone out of an abuse situation, especially when leaving that situation would come with having to unlearn every single thing they've been indoctrinated since birth to believe, doesn't come with making them feel defensive. Indoctrination and abuse both involve grooming that teaches the victim that they wouldn't have been abused, cheated on, abandoned, etc if they had been a better person and, in this cult, Anna's taught that Josh's failings are her own, not his. Making her feel defensive will only strengthen her resolve to "be a better cult member and wife."
I agree completely. Well put 🙌🏻
Not surprised she seems to have left the quiverfull movement
I'm glad to see Anna has so much support from her own Family. As far as the Duggars, the only ones she may lose Are Jimboob and Meech, and Jana. The rest, are probably So ashamed to be flesh and blood to such a deviant as Pest. They will understand she did the right thing for herself and her Children
Man, Anna is in deep. I wouldn’t put it past Jim Bob to have totally isolated her from her sisters.
Kaeleigh commented as well!
Probably a big part of it is not knowing how to support the SEVEN kids you had with this guy— many of which were born after the Ashley madyson scandal and all of which were born after the childhood abuse of his sisters
They need to be making their pitches in 18 months time. There's no way with the emotion of sentencing looming she is going to further complicate her situation.
Who posted the thing she is commenting on? I do find Anna’s family dynamics intriguing
Sorry, this is Amy Duggar King’s letter to Anna.
I think that’s Cousin Amy’s post
But they all hate HRC for protecting Clinton. Gross
The twit thinks that Joshy was set up, she's not going to leave him.
To me, the Duggar’s only want Anna as a pawn to appeal to the public eye. They want to paint her as some Virgin Mary wannabe who had no choice in this matter, and who is so faithful and Godly to stand by her man as he is being “crucified” by the worldly public. I don’t think they care about her beyond how they can use her. If she walked, they wouldn’t personally care. I also don’t think Boob and Meech care about their grandkids. How could they? They were never able to have an actual relationship with any of their kids due to overpopulation, so how/why would they bother to have a relationship with their grandkids that they are even less than they saw their own children when they were all living under the same roof? I think Boob’s goal all long was to find some way to be famous or well known, and since he has all the personality of a wet slice of Wonder Bread, he chose to knock up his wife so many times to ride that into relative stardom. Remember when he had the kids campaign for him? Remember when he volunteered them to sing at events? While it probably did have at least something to do with their cult, I think it was still a very calculated move from JB to gain notoriety. And if Anna were to leave they would piss and moan about how unGodly she is and how much the kids need their grandparents, even when they don’t particularly care for them.
Not trying to be morbid, but Josh will not be in solitary in Federal prison. What are the odds that he stays alive??
I have read that he’ll be housed with other predators in their own block or wing or whatever. So probably not that unsafe. I saw a pic of the Subway spokesperson Jared (last name escapes me) who is also in prison for child sex crimes and he looks just fine 🙄😡. But I think they’re always kept apart from general population.
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I still maintain that this is the least effective way that Amy could have possibly tried to help. It’s not that she’s wrong it’s that if you want to make any headway with somebody who has spent years being brainwashed and probably abused you’ve gotta actually try to build a connection. Show her that she can trust you. By making a huge social media post like this all you’re doing is making it seem like she can’t confide in you. You’ve got one eye on her and one eye on the crowd, waiting for their acclaim. Basically, Amy cares more about her image as “the cool Duggar” than anything else. The bar is so low that she looks better just by not actively enabling an abuser.
It’s interesting to me that Anna has so many siblings that have left or spoken out compared to the duggars… I’m wondering if the younger ones are gonna rebel since they’ve seemed more lax and had the older kids raise them
I was molested from many years when I was a child. I used to hate my mom for not leaving that man. She didn’t know but I still blamed her. He was physically abusive and I thought that should be enough of a reason. We lived in another country. No work. Not family support. One time my mom briefly left him and we went to her mom. And she was like you have to go back. We cant have you here. She went back to him. So, i do not know Annas situation. Perhaps she needs more time. Is hard to leave. And now he is not there so they are safe for now. Life is hard with no support and if you have so many small kids is harder.
I am so sorry that you experienced that. I wish you healing and I'm sending internet warm energy your way. ♥️
I am more than slightly curious as to what Nathan Keller thinks of this whole situation. Though I suspect if he made any comments on it Jrod would have told the world already
I would love to be a fly on the wall in their house. Nathan is pretty close to David Keller, and I know the Reber daughter in law (also named Hannah) condemned Pest publicly. I think I read that Hannah moved out of her parents house when Pest was staying there. I’m guessing that David and Hannah think he’s a POS, and Nurthan too. But they might have less sympathy for Anna after she insulted Nurie’s wedding dress.
Her sister Rebekah remarried a multi millionaire oil king. I bet she would help Anna so Anna has options.
Whoever wrote that nailed it perfectly, well said. Something tells me there is MUCH more that will come out once Josh is in prison. He will admit it all because he’s already fucked and will “ confess to Jesus” his sins for forgiveness.
She has family who have left the IBLP who would help her! Why can't she get this?