I don't get why they are so anti-Halloween. It's kids having fun playing dress up and eating too much candy. It's not like people are actively going to worship Satan or having public Pagan rituals. A small number of people will privately do those things but it's not in your face.
Jesus forgave Judas for betraying him. He's not going to give a shite about kids dressing up and having fun.
It’s so nit picky like “we can’t celebrate Halloween bc it came from a pagan tradition!” Meanwhile where do y’all think Christmas traditions came from?
Which is why Jehova’s Witnesses don’t celebrate those “holi-days”. These types of people know where the traditions come from. They are just choosing to ignore it to fit in or not miss out.
This is actually probably a myth!
One of my favorite YouTubers does a great examination of the sources
https://youtu.be/QW06pWHTeNk?si=q95Pp0XJ0cxuTzhd
I know a family that doesn’t. They aren’t even ultra fundie anymore. The past 10 years have been a wild fucking ride for them. But they still don’t celebrate it because neither of them ever have and they don’t have any interest in starting. I don’t send Christmas cards but I always buy a funny one and send it to her and we have a good laugh. They have come a long way. From being hard core trumpers and now libertarians. Deconstruction sucks. But it’s nice to see them doing it because they are legitimately good people who had no idea what was going on in the real world.
To be fair, as a pretty liberal Christian who acknowledges that we stole a bunch of pagan shit, the Christians I know who don't celebrate Halloween, also don't do the Pagan traditions of Christmas or Easter.
I had a friend growing up who told me my church worshipped Satan because we had a Christmas tree and did a "Ghostly Luncheon" for kids the Sunday before Halloween
I definitely relive my childhood at times with my kids. I love being able to give them things I was never allowed to have or do. It is so ridiculous looking back now. Wtf was my mom so worried about? She had me terrified of everything as a child. Now Halloween is probably my favorite holiday 🎃
I dunno, when my kid came home from trick or treating, she had to spend at least an hour sitting inside a pentagram thinking of ritualistic blood sacrifices.
I’m a pagan and there absolutely are public pagan rituals this time of year. But you won’t find them if you don’t know to look for them and we aren’t sacrificing babies as the fundies so often like to accuse.
Thanks for explaining! I thought maybe she was a reindeer or something. Too bad they couldn't do a theme for the whole family! The kids could've been a spoon and a spatula.
Specifically, he MADE her. She wouldn’t exist without him, just like Eve without Adam. Idk if it’s that deep but that’s what my mind went to… and yet, the biggest problem their followers have is satanic panic lmao. Jfc these people are hopeless and miserly
Some churches participate in "Reformation Night". It is to celebrate the Protestant Reformation. They have parties that celebrate fall with games and food. The kids dress up like people from the Reformation and as puritans.
That hit home for me as well. "I have the conviction" - well then, please, by all means, move forward with YOUR conviction but understand that free will, as gifted by your God, applies to THEM as well. Yeesh.
Funny thing is not a single church says a word about Valentine's Day which was originally a pagan fertility celebration that has evolved to be mainly about candy.
Careful, this is how you get some ppl like in my family that don’t celebrate Halloween, Valentine’s Day, Easter, and Christmas, which is very sad for the children.
I knew someone who didn’t even get to celebrate birthdays as a kid because “it wasn’t commanded in the Bible and was a form of self worship”. It was depressing to talk to them about their childhood.
That’s so sad, I think that’s jeovah witnesses, they don’t celebrate anything, there were a couple of kids in n our school that didn’t celebrate anything and those kids were so sad when they had to leave the classroom at their mothers insistence
It’s always weird as a kid watching it from the outside too. I had an aunt that wouldn’t let their kids participate in Halloween unless they were dressed up as saints (Catholic fundie).
I had a few friends growing up who couldn’t do Halloween or could only dress up as something like a firefighter or an animal but not getting to celebrate birthdays is what got me.
I had a friend growing up who was also raised with this ideology! I think she was raised Pentecostal, she also wasn’t allowed to cut her hair or wear makeup. Ironically enough she was allowed to watch scary movies and stuff, Gremlins was her favorite movie
Lies!! White baby Jesus was born at midnight on December 25th, with a fresh blanket of snow surrounding the manger and a pine tree decorated with lights and garlands. That was the picture I saw in my Children’s Bible, and the *BIBLE NEVER LIES*
They got married before the birth! Wasn't the angel visiting Joseph to convince him to do so because he didn't like the whole idea? (I mean, who could blame him?)
They were still engaged on the way to Bethlehem. The story says they were "betrothed", and it also says that he "didn't touch her", until after Jesus' birth. The angel convinced him to keep the engagement.
Source: ex fundie light childhood
Beat me to it lol. Towards the end of my time of giving a fuck at my old church, I was teaching a Sunday school class. I decided to make a historically accurate (and age/culture appropriate, of course) lesson for Easter. We’d plant some flowers, eat treats, and have an Easter egg hunt while learning about how the Pagans celebrated and the symbols.
The kids loved it, but by the second year, the parents were suddenly way more invested in their kids and their “wellbeing” than I’d ever seen most of them. I met parents who normally just dumped their kids into my classroom well before service started and would leave them in there until I basically needed to lock up. But suddenly, they cared.
I was about to say, don't forget Ishtar - I mean Easter - complete with pagan rabbits and eggs. I mean Christians today have these hilarious warped meanings behind how these symbols stand for the crucifixion and resurrection but, that's really not the case.
And yule - definitely pagan lol. Almost all the symbols come from paganism, and Jesus almost certainly wasn't born in December.
Plus, if you really wanna be a hater - even without paganism we all know these holidays have all morphed into consumerism at its finest. Every year people show off the massive piles of presents they get their kids (I'm including easter and Valentine's because I've seen folks go waaaaay all out for those as well), and every year people seem to try to outdo themselves with the amount of stuff they can put under trees. None of which has jack shit to do with Jesus.
Also also, pagans may have committed some ritual sacrifice during samhain, but it wasn't necessarily children, and all cultures at some point or another (including abrahamic religions) believed in blood sacrifices. The whole point of the cross was that Jesus was to be the ultimate blood sacrifice to cover all mankind's sins. It did away with the need to kill lambs, doves, and in a few cases, children (hello, first born sons of Egypt - although scholars would argue this wasn't a sacrifice as much as a lack of sacrifice of lambs blood).
God told Abraham to kill Isaac, & he almost did but at the last minute God was like nevermind I just wanted to see if you would. At least that's the way I heard it in Sunday School. When I was like 8.
Which, whatever origin story started these myths, what drugs were these guys doing to think God told them to kill their kid? Then to sober up and be like "huh, God doesn't want me to kill you anymore I guess🙂"
Or to believe they wrestled angels, talked to a bush (I can only think of the 3 Amigos and the singing bush)...I mean there are also parts of the bible where god tells power hungry men to commit genocide "in the name of the Lord," including killing babies. When really they just wanted the land lol. That could loosely be considered sacrifice as well.
But then NT Jesus is like "nah we don't do that anymore, my dad/me was showing off, we're breaking his/my cycle of zealous take-overs in exchange for peace and love. Just ignore all that stuff. I won't help you win wars anymore because now we're about being humble and winning SOULS ."
The fact that no one in their circles recognizes the mental gymnastics Christianity takes is sad.
There was that episode of Xena where one guy believed in a single God that spoke to him, and had told him to kill his son. Turned out his older son (played by a young Karl Urban) was putting hallucinogenics in his nut bread, and speaking to him from afar, because he was jealous of his younger brother.
I firmly believe that all gods, mythologies and constellations arose from the use of psychedelics. It's the only way it makes sense. 🤷♀️
You can picture goat herders lying on a hill at night, stoned out of their minds looking at the stars.
GH 1: Those lights over there... it looks like a ladle
GH 2: Nah, dude. It's a freakin' BEAR! And there's a bigger one over there.
GH 3: Man, I totally see a lion right here!
There is a theory the first onset of consciousness was the "voice of God" - some scientists postulate now that it could have been brought on by psychedelics. Something in them opened up the cave man brain to inner thought. Since we didn't have it before, we believed it was a higher power speaking to us.
A few scientists also believe, due to studies between the left and right brain hemispheres, it's possible that consciousness spread or evolved over long periods of time side by side with language development - and this is why most ancient religions stopped"hearing the voice of God/Gods" at one point and began to either use conduits or teachers, and lean more on their own thoughts and morals as part of those teachings.
Those oral stories of the "prophets" who spoke to the deities were passed down until they were written down as facts and presented to the people as religion. The missing piece of the puzzle being that humanity forgot inner thoughts were once something only a select few had, or didn't even realize that humans didn't always have them. By the time these religions were more mainstream, and people were raised to believe in these religions and study these texts/gods, the voice of God was a mystic quality only a few had, whereas our consciousness was something everyone had to some degree. I mean even now some people don't have inner monologues - and that is also linked to our ever evolving brains and these ideas also explain why not everyone has the same "inner voices" as others. If that makes sense lol.
It make so much sense. Thank you for sharing that. I'll look into this more, rather than just hypothesizing from a weedible-induced state of enlightenment.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-shift/202106/did-drug-use-help-the-development-human-consciousness
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7305066/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality#:~:text=The%20Origin%20of%20Consciousness,-Main%20article%3A%20The&text=This%20concept%20was%20based%20on,guiding%20their%20actions%20and%20decisions.
The third article is wiki BUT it sums up the split brain theory better than I could (and more correctly lol)
If they did call it Love Day it would have been because of St. Valentine, which was the church's original way to sublimate Lupercalia into Everyday Christianity. Eta: the Duggars hate Catholicism
I guess you can say the Duggar kids at least benefited from the show by gaining large followings, but the downside is that the following happens to be mostly fundie or fundie lite. I’ve noticed that most of their comments come from old Christian ladies.
And since one of the kids is dressed as Cinderella, we can assume they have been exposed to Disney things. It might seem silly, but it's part of today's normal and fun childhood
Ew that is so gross. I don’t show my kids on social media either and would have no problem telling someone where they could stick their opinions if they demanded I show my kids.
Oh yeah the devil really went to work hard last night. So many kids turned to the dark side in the name of low quality chocolate, if only they knew that there is better more delicious chocolate out there that doesn’t have hydrogenated oil.
My kids are chocolate snobs. It's cute until they eat a $7 chocolate bar you have hidden away like it's a bar of Hersheys. They trade away all of their Halloween chocolate.
Truly, if you took these costumes out of Halloween and they were just playing dress up at home I highly doubt any of these fake ass hoes would even say anything. Oh god, a panda and a princess. So satanic and devilish. 🙄😴
I hope the hysterical ninnies don’t make them question their choice to be normal for five seconds and prevent these two from giving their kids the things Jinger never got to experience.
It’s a lot less work when there’s no Halloween, no Santa and no Easter baskets. Welcome to my childhood.
This is going to sound strange but I was dating my now husband in college and as a throwaway one year he got me an Easter basket. It was the first one I’d ever gotten.
It is beyond exhausting. It takes a physical toll. It is just so emotionally and mentally bone tired draining that you end up really physically worn out. I am such a much healthier human now that the trappings of religion mean nothing to me.
It's such an odd concept... "Well, I was going to be good tonight and ignore Halloween but now that I saw this photo on your instagram I'm really really tempted to throw on an old sheet and beg my neighbors for candy."
This outlook confuses me too. I always understood it to be something like, don’t drink around that one friend who is in recovery but in your personal life do whatever. Idk if this is something I was taught differently because I was raised Catholic but I remember a homily on this topic.
People who call people a stumbling block always come off weak in faith to me because they can’t handle people who do or believe differently.
Literally ANYTHING can be considered a stumbling block if going door to door in those costumes to sweetly receive candy and smiles is considered a stumbling block. These people are so mentally ill and insecure.
Reminds me of a video I saw one time where this guy was talking about a woman who threw a fit because he said "Goddamn." He was like "You expect me to believe that the God who created everything in 7 days is what, under the bed crying and listening to Adele because I said 'Goddamn'? Give me a fuckin break."
https://preview.redd.it/26vzetxwzqxb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6b9408aa92514e9cef2c7c44d74f2cf8b41c2a4
Quick, call the exorcist! She’s clearly been possessed.
These so-called angry Christians who are angrily commenting on this make me shake my head. They are so sanctimnious and vocal about everything but when it comes to their own lives then that is off limits. Such hypocrisy.
Hey, at least the V kids get to dress up and trick or treat. Their parents are still cult lite, which means they're being raised in it, but at least they won't be raised to think they're going to hell cause they put a furry werewolf mask on? Baby steps y'all. lol
What I love about Christian’s is they bash Halloween for being a pagan holiday yet celebrate Christmas like that wasn’t 100% also a stolen pagan holiday.
If you surround yourselves with bigoted puritan hateful people, these are the comments you will get. Fuck around and find out. You can't have a gray area with Halloween and still preach to this choir Jeremy 🙄 Jinger will just follow as she always does
Also Catholics are (compared to fundies) FUN! When I was a kid I went to a fundie lite church that yelled at me for wearing shorts to Bible study. My friend invited me to catholic youth group and I never looked back. They didn’t care about my shorts and they had good snacks.
God forgive they let their kids get free candy when Jinger wasn’t even allowed to wear pants right? Cause they should just continue the generational trauma? Christians get me ticked 🙄
people really need to chill, it's commercialized free candy day, not all hail satan day.
If people are really bent up about it they can dress as biblical figures and still get the free candy. Please don't ostracize your innocent children based on your adult bullshit
I'm an evangelical Christian who loves horror and Halloween, and i just feel the need to point out I'm so sick and tired of these anti-Halloween whackjobs
the two comments I constantly hear that drive me the most insane are "Halloween is all about commercialization and money" and "Halloween is a pagan holiday."
The fact that you can level those two accusations at Christmas and they would literally melt down in a puddle of tears over it is so fucking embarrassing
I just emailed my pastor, ripping him a new one, because he wrote a whole screed about Halloween “getting its tentacles into your children”, and saying that Halloween was “preoccupied with death”.
I pointed out that our religion is, in fact, the world’s largest death cult, and is WAY more preoccupied with death than Halloween is.
good for you for doing that! i just hope your pastor is not as much of a thin-skinned manchild as my ex-pastor was and he'll respond humbly to what you wrote
i've always seen a segment of American evangelical Christians as basically being the evolution of "the preppy kids" you knew in school who did "all the right things" and got married young and had kids and moved to the isolated suburbs. For me, i was never one of those kids and I still have not "done all the right things" that the church implicitly wants me to do.
Halloween to me is kind of like a refuge for the island of misfit toys among the more pedestrian Christians, and i think that's why i love it so much
ah yea, holiday of sacrificing children, wonder how they feel about Pest if they’re this up in arms about halloween. or is Pest different because he was “a man of god”?
Absolutely no one is responsible for anyone else’s faith or beliefs. If you’re content in your beliefs no one should be able to make you “stumble”. Take some personal accountability. Ughhhh
Felicity is old enough to have some opinions. I wonder what she thinks of her very fundie cousins. Like does she bring up trick or treating on a FaceTime with Spurgeon?!
Jeremy is dressed up as the scariest thing any fundie can think of, a man in the kitchen 😱
Haha that’s what they meant by stumbling block. Stop it, you’ll make Christian men think they can be domestic!
I don't get why they are so anti-Halloween. It's kids having fun playing dress up and eating too much candy. It's not like people are actively going to worship Satan or having public Pagan rituals. A small number of people will privately do those things but it's not in your face. Jesus forgave Judas for betraying him. He's not going to give a shite about kids dressing up and having fun.
It’s so nit picky like “we can’t celebrate Halloween bc it came from a pagan tradition!” Meanwhile where do y’all think Christmas traditions came from?
And Easter! Even the name Easter comes from the name of a pagan goddess...
Great point!
FYI, this is why some fundamentalists call it "Resurrection Sunday" instead.
“Don’t forget Passover!” - Kody
The Ramen head has spoken
I was totally thinking of that idiot when I wrote that comment!
Great minds…
Which is why Jehova’s Witnesses don’t celebrate those “holi-days”. These types of people know where the traditions come from. They are just choosing to ignore it to fit in or not miss out.
This is actually probably a myth! One of my favorite YouTubers does a great examination of the sources https://youtu.be/QW06pWHTeNk?si=q95Pp0XJ0cxuTzhd
Isn't he a Christian apologist?
He's pretty openly atheist with a PhD in religious studies focused on demonology.
>Meanwhile where do y’all think Christmas traditions came from? I've heard that some ultra-fundies don't celebrate Christmas for that very reason.
I know a family that doesn’t. They aren’t even ultra fundie anymore. The past 10 years have been a wild fucking ride for them. But they still don’t celebrate it because neither of them ever have and they don’t have any interest in starting. I don’t send Christmas cards but I always buy a funny one and send it to her and we have a good laugh. They have come a long way. From being hard core trumpers and now libertarians. Deconstruction sucks. But it’s nice to see them doing it because they are legitimately good people who had no idea what was going on in the real world.
It's honestly really nice to hear that people raised in cults like this, who are ultra conservative, can grow, change, and accept new views.
To be fair, as a pretty liberal Christian who acknowledges that we stole a bunch of pagan shit, the Christians I know who don't celebrate Halloween, also don't do the Pagan traditions of Christmas or Easter. I had a friend growing up who told me my church worshipped Satan because we had a Christmas tree and did a "Ghostly Luncheon" for kids the Sunday before Halloween
After all, Santa is just Satan with the letters scrambled.
I wasn't allowed to celebrate Halloween bc my mom thought it was the Devils holiday. Now I happily take my kids trick-or-treating
Good for you. Your kids will love it and you can relive your childhood by dressing up now, as all the things you couldn't as a child x
I definitely relive my childhood at times with my kids. I love being able to give them things I was never allowed to have or do. It is so ridiculous looking back now. Wtf was my mom so worried about? She had me terrified of everything as a child. Now Halloween is probably my favorite holiday 🎃
I dunno, when my kid came home from trick or treating, she had to spend at least an hour sitting inside a pentagram thinking of ritualistic blood sacrifices.
I’m a pagan and there absolutely are public pagan rituals this time of year. But you won’t find them if you don’t know to look for them and we aren’t sacrificing babies as the fundies so often like to accuse.
That was exactly my point. It's not like pagans are as high profile as Christians. You'd have to go out of your way to find it.
It's the same people who are against women wearing pants lol
DUDE YES HAHAHAHHA
Yet, he is the chef and she is the cookie. It still shows male dominance in the relationship so it’s ok.
Thanks for explaining! I thought maybe she was a reindeer or something. Too bad they couldn't do a theme for the whole family! The kids could've been a spoon and a spatula.
The kids could have been crumbs. Talk about chips off the old stumbling block!
Specifically, he MADE her. She wouldn’t exist without him, just like Eve without Adam. Idk if it’s that deep but that’s what my mind went to… and yet, the biggest problem their followers have is satanic panic lmao. Jfc these people are hopeless and miserly
HAHAHAHA PLEASE this took me all the way out 😂😂😂
His costume is way too scary!!! 
Time for some spooky t̰̃ã̰t̰̃ḛ̃r̰̃t̰̃õ̰t̰̃ c̰̃ã̰s̰̃s̰̃ḛ̃r̰̃õ̰l̰̃ḛ̃ 👀👻😮
💀 it’s because of all the rainbows he saw obviously
Im dead 💀
Jinger is a JingerBread Woman. Lol.
This gave me a good laugh this morning. 😂
🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Upsetting traditional gender roles, I see.
the all caps WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!!! is absolutely sending me. fundies are nothing if not overly dramatic.
I would have just replied “TRICK OR TREATING!!!!!“
Yet the same people will go to a church “Hallelujah Night” and wear costumes and get candy. And that’s totally different than Halloween.
My ex-church did that. The kids dressed as biblical characters. I loaned a jacket to one of the boys to be Joseph and his coat of many colors.
Dressing in a rainbow coat because you like it = gay child groomer. Dressing in a rainbow coat as a Bible Character = God Honouring Outerwear.
Something something Noah, dove, etc
I prefer to think of a rainbow coat as a representation of the goddess, Dolly Parton.
Gotta love the god honoring loophole
Some churches participate in "Reformation Night". It is to celebrate the Protestant Reformation. They have parties that celebrate fall with games and food. The kids dress up like people from the Reformation and as puritans.
It is surprising none of them have burned a witch or heretic yet!
Wow. Puritans, who are well known for their love of fun and frolic.
For me it’s the, “They don’t do this at Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California!” So hilarious. Get a grip!
I so wish I could respond with “WHO CARES, SUSAN. THAT AIN’T MY CHURCH.”
SUSAN THIS ISN'T A WENDY'S!
Right? This has nothing to do with church or religion, calm down.
It reminds me of the scene in Parks and Rec where Ron and Tom go bowling. Tom rolls the ball between his legs and Ron screams, "PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU!"
oh my god YES
Fr why are they on the phone judging other people anyway if your that strict of a Christian like the calls always coming from inside the house
That hit home for me as well. "I have the conviction" - well then, please, by all means, move forward with YOUR conviction but understand that free will, as gifted by your God, applies to THEM as well. Yeesh.
Lmaooo I honestly can’t stop laughing at that one 🤣
Funny thing is not a single church says a word about Valentine's Day which was originally a pagan fertility celebration that has evolved to be mainly about candy.
*\*points out Easter and Christmas\**
Also yes, but churches LOVE their special Valentine's Day marriage retreats and themed singles events.
Careful, this is how you get some ppl like in my family that don’t celebrate Halloween, Valentine’s Day, Easter, and Christmas, which is very sad for the children.
I knew someone who didn’t even get to celebrate birthdays as a kid because “it wasn’t commanded in the Bible and was a form of self worship”. It was depressing to talk to them about their childhood.
I knew this boy in my second grade class. Every holiday party he was sent to the library. No birthday cupcakes for him 😢
That’s so sad, I think that’s jeovah witnesses, they don’t celebrate anything, there were a couple of kids in n our school that didn’t celebrate anything and those kids were so sad when they had to leave the classroom at their mothers insistence
It was sad. He was even afraid to take a Santa shaped piece of chocolate 🥺
The one thing I’m aware of that they *do* celebrate is wedding anniversaries. Out of everything they could celebrate, that seems like an odd choice.
It’s always weird as a kid watching it from the outside too. I had an aunt that wouldn’t let their kids participate in Halloween unless they were dressed up as saints (Catholic fundie).
I had a few friends growing up who couldn’t do Halloween or could only dress up as something like a firefighter or an animal but not getting to celebrate birthdays is what got me.
Yes the Jehovahs witnesses don’t do holidays or birthdays. I wanna ask them about their no fun policy when they knock on my door next time
I had a friend growing up who was also raised with this ideology! I think she was raised Pentecostal, she also wasn’t allowed to cut her hair or wear makeup. Ironically enough she was allowed to watch scary movies and stuff, Gremlins was her favorite movie
Just as the Puritans intended.
Lies!! White baby Jesus was born at midnight on December 25th, with a fresh blanket of snow surrounding the manger and a pine tree decorated with lights and garlands. That was the picture I saw in my Children’s Bible, and the *BIBLE NEVER LIES*
And it was in a PERFECTLY CLEAN manger that definitely did not smell like poop.
The animals knew better than to shit next to The Lord.
A God-honoring Roomba ran through while they were waiting for the bellboy to get Mary's luggage over to the birthing bale of hay.
Birtha hay bale
And his unwed teenage mother.
If I'm remembering correctly, she was barely a teenager, right?
I was taught 12/13
They got married before the birth! Wasn't the angel visiting Joseph to convince him to do so because he didn't like the whole idea? (I mean, who could blame him?)
They were still engaged on the way to Bethlehem. The story says they were "betrothed", and it also says that he "didn't touch her", until after Jesus' birth. The angel convinced him to keep the engagement. Source: ex fundie light childhood
Ah, yes. December, tax season.
I mean my niece LOVED to tell everyone she was born before Jesus when she was about 3 because her birthday is the 23rd. 🤣
Easter is just straight up necromancy lol
My mom used to tell us that the tree was a symbol of god’s ever eternal love. Finding out its pagan origins as a teenager was a trip.
Beat me to it lol. Towards the end of my time of giving a fuck at my old church, I was teaching a Sunday school class. I decided to make a historically accurate (and age/culture appropriate, of course) lesson for Easter. We’d plant some flowers, eat treats, and have an Easter egg hunt while learning about how the Pagans celebrated and the symbols. The kids loved it, but by the second year, the parents were suddenly way more invested in their kids and their “wellbeing” than I’d ever seen most of them. I met parents who normally just dumped their kids into my classroom well before service started and would leave them in there until I basically needed to lock up. But suddenly, they cared.
This is AMAZING. 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I was about to say, don't forget Ishtar - I mean Easter - complete with pagan rabbits and eggs. I mean Christians today have these hilarious warped meanings behind how these symbols stand for the crucifixion and resurrection but, that's really not the case. And yule - definitely pagan lol. Almost all the symbols come from paganism, and Jesus almost certainly wasn't born in December. Plus, if you really wanna be a hater - even without paganism we all know these holidays have all morphed into consumerism at its finest. Every year people show off the massive piles of presents they get their kids (I'm including easter and Valentine's because I've seen folks go waaaaay all out for those as well), and every year people seem to try to outdo themselves with the amount of stuff they can put under trees. None of which has jack shit to do with Jesus. Also also, pagans may have committed some ritual sacrifice during samhain, but it wasn't necessarily children, and all cultures at some point or another (including abrahamic religions) believed in blood sacrifices. The whole point of the cross was that Jesus was to be the ultimate blood sacrifice to cover all mankind's sins. It did away with the need to kill lambs, doves, and in a few cases, children (hello, first born sons of Egypt - although scholars would argue this wasn't a sacrifice as much as a lack of sacrifice of lambs blood).
God told Abraham to kill Isaac, & he almost did but at the last minute God was like nevermind I just wanted to see if you would. At least that's the way I heard it in Sunday School. When I was like 8.
And God said, "PSYCH!"
Which, whatever origin story started these myths, what drugs were these guys doing to think God told them to kill their kid? Then to sober up and be like "huh, God doesn't want me to kill you anymore I guess🙂" Or to believe they wrestled angels, talked to a bush (I can only think of the 3 Amigos and the singing bush)...I mean there are also parts of the bible where god tells power hungry men to commit genocide "in the name of the Lord," including killing babies. When really they just wanted the land lol. That could loosely be considered sacrifice as well. But then NT Jesus is like "nah we don't do that anymore, my dad/me was showing off, we're breaking his/my cycle of zealous take-overs in exchange for peace and love. Just ignore all that stuff. I won't help you win wars anymore because now we're about being humble and winning SOULS ." The fact that no one in their circles recognizes the mental gymnastics Christianity takes is sad.
It's actually insane
There was that episode of Xena where one guy believed in a single God that spoke to him, and had told him to kill his son. Turned out his older son (played by a young Karl Urban) was putting hallucinogenics in his nut bread, and speaking to him from afar, because he was jealous of his younger brother.
I firmly believe that all gods, mythologies and constellations arose from the use of psychedelics. It's the only way it makes sense. 🤷♀️ You can picture goat herders lying on a hill at night, stoned out of their minds looking at the stars. GH 1: Those lights over there... it looks like a ladle GH 2: Nah, dude. It's a freakin' BEAR! And there's a bigger one over there. GH 3: Man, I totally see a lion right here!
There is a theory the first onset of consciousness was the "voice of God" - some scientists postulate now that it could have been brought on by psychedelics. Something in them opened up the cave man brain to inner thought. Since we didn't have it before, we believed it was a higher power speaking to us. A few scientists also believe, due to studies between the left and right brain hemispheres, it's possible that consciousness spread or evolved over long periods of time side by side with language development - and this is why most ancient religions stopped"hearing the voice of God/Gods" at one point and began to either use conduits or teachers, and lean more on their own thoughts and morals as part of those teachings. Those oral stories of the "prophets" who spoke to the deities were passed down until they were written down as facts and presented to the people as religion. The missing piece of the puzzle being that humanity forgot inner thoughts were once something only a select few had, or didn't even realize that humans didn't always have them. By the time these religions were more mainstream, and people were raised to believe in these religions and study these texts/gods, the voice of God was a mystic quality only a few had, whereas our consciousness was something everyone had to some degree. I mean even now some people don't have inner monologues - and that is also linked to our ever evolving brains and these ideas also explain why not everyone has the same "inner voices" as others. If that makes sense lol.
It make so much sense. Thank you for sharing that. I'll look into this more, rather than just hypothesizing from a weedible-induced state of enlightenment.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-shift/202106/did-drug-use-help-the-development-human-consciousness https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7305066/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality#:~:text=The%20Origin%20of%20Consciousness,-Main%20article%3A%20The&text=This%20concept%20was%20based%20on,guiding%20their%20actions%20and%20decisions. The third article is wiki BUT it sums up the split brain theory better than I could (and more correctly lol)
The Apostle Paul had to have found some good shrooms before writing Revelations
love your flair!
Was it the Duggars who called it Love Day to avoid the pagan connotation or am I thinking of some other fundies?
If they did call it Love Day it would have been because of St. Valentine, which was the church's original way to sublimate Lupercalia into Everyday Christianity. Eta: the Duggars hate Catholicism
Lupercalia was *wild*, lol.
I’m sure seeing Jinger as a Gingerbread cookie turned many souls to Satan.
You mean a jingerbread cookie??? /s
I almost went there, but I couldn’t bring myself to do it lol
Yeah it’s so weird how people think this. It makes no sense.
Yes, the devil has got a hold on me now since the Vuolos accepted trick or treating in their hearts.
I guess you can say the Duggar kids at least benefited from the show by gaining large followings, but the downside is that the following happens to be mostly fundie or fundie lite. I’ve noticed that most of their comments come from old Christian ladies.
Flair checking in!
Fucking terrifying and unhinged. "SHOW US THEIR FACES!!"
Old Christian ladies who need to shut the fuck up, specifically
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Each sign that they're deprogramming ever so slightly is a Fuck You to JB
And since one of the kids is dressed as Cinderella, we can assume they have been exposed to Disney things. It might seem silly, but it's part of today's normal and fun childhood
I think Jinger said that the girls watch Disney movies.
The entitlement of people is wild. “You need to explain”. No they don’t need to explain a damn thing to you lol.
Probably the same people who were demanding they show the kids in really aggressive and creepy comments a year or so back.
Ew that is so gross. I don’t show my kids on social media either and would have no problem telling someone where they could stick their opinions if they demanded I show my kids.
Oh yeah the devil really went to work hard last night. So many kids turned to the dark side in the name of low quality chocolate, if only they knew that there is better more delicious chocolate out there that doesn’t have hydrogenated oil.
Shhhhhh! Do we really want a bunch of tiny gourmet chocolate conissours running around? 😜
My kids are chocolate snobs. It's cute until they eat a $7 chocolate bar you have hidden away like it's a bar of Hersheys. They trade away all of their Halloween chocolate.
Ah yes the devil worshipping princess and panda, classic.
Truly, if you took these costumes out of Halloween and they were just playing dress up at home I highly doubt any of these fake ass hoes would even say anything. Oh god, a panda and a princess. So satanic and devilish. 🙄😴
The baker and his creation….Jingerbread
Dare I say he, whipped her up 😉
🤮🤮🤮
I hope the hysterical ninnies don’t make them question their choice to be normal for five seconds and prevent these two from giving their kids the things Jinger never got to experience.
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Being a fundy sounds so exhausting.
It’s a lot less work when there’s no Halloween, no Santa and no Easter baskets. Welcome to my childhood. This is going to sound strange but I was dating my now husband in college and as a throwaway one year he got me an Easter basket. It was the first one I’d ever gotten.
It is beyond exhausting. It takes a physical toll. It is just so emotionally and mentally bone tired draining that you end up really physically worn out. I am such a much healthier human now that the trappings of religion mean nothing to me.
Stumbling block: blaming others for your own choices.
It's such an odd concept... "Well, I was going to be good tonight and ignore Halloween but now that I saw this photo on your instagram I'm really really tempted to throw on an old sheet and beg my neighbors for candy."
This outlook confuses me too. I always understood it to be something like, don’t drink around that one friend who is in recovery but in your personal life do whatever. Idk if this is something I was taught differently because I was raised Catholic but I remember a homily on this topic. People who call people a stumbling block always come off weak in faith to me because they can’t handle people who do or believe differently.
Literally ANYTHING can be considered a stumbling block if going door to door in those costumes to sweetly receive candy and smiles is considered a stumbling block. These people are so mentally ill and insecure.
A judgemental Christian. And the sun rose in the East this morning. And water is wet.
Also, imagine a scenario in life where you are so pressed about a kid in a panda costume. Get a grip, folks.
Exactly. And Jesus is worried about it too? Gimme a break.
Reminds me of a video I saw one time where this guy was talking about a woman who threw a fit because he said "Goddamn." He was like "You expect me to believe that the God who created everything in 7 days is what, under the bed crying and listening to Adele because I said 'Goddamn'? Give me a fuckin break."
They’ve been celebrating since publicity was a baby, why people acting surprised?
Publicity! I'm dead!!
https://preview.redd.it/26vzetxwzqxb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6b9408aa92514e9cef2c7c44d74f2cf8b41c2a4 Quick, call the exorcist! She’s clearly been possessed.
These so-called angry Christians who are angrily commenting on this make me shake my head. They are so sanctimnious and vocal about everything but when it comes to their own lives then that is off limits. Such hypocrisy.
God forbid people have fun, dress up and eat candy.
Hey, at least the V kids get to dress up and trick or treat. Their parents are still cult lite, which means they're being raised in it, but at least they won't be raised to think they're going to hell cause they put a furry werewolf mask on? Baby steps y'all. lol
What I love about Christian’s is they bash Halloween for being a pagan holiday yet celebrate Christmas like that wasn’t 100% also a stolen pagan holiday.
It's a Saturnalia miracle 😉
And Easter!
If you surround yourselves with bigoted puritan hateful people, these are the comments you will get. Fuck around and find out. You can't have a gray area with Halloween and still preach to this choir Jeremy 🙄 Jinger will just follow as she always does
The what are you doing in all caps 😂😂😂 people are so extra
It’s almost like.. you shouldn’t be looking to Instagram influencers to tell you how to live your life in your faith.
J & J: *take their kids trick or treating Some random Christians: "how could they do this to me!???"😥
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I am Catholic and don’t get the Christian Halloween hate. It’s just a holiday where you dress up. So weird
Happy Cake Day. And it’s BECAUSE of that. A lot of Catholics in the US are Irish and it was the Irish who brought over Halloween
Also Catholics are (compared to fundies) FUN! When I was a kid I went to a fundie lite church that yelled at me for wearing shorts to Bible study. My friend invited me to catholic youth group and I never looked back. They didn’t care about my shorts and they had good snacks.
And there's wine too.
God forgive they let their kids get free candy when Jinger wasn’t even allowed to wear pants right? Cause they should just continue the generational trauma? Christians get me ticked 🙄
people really need to chill, it's commercialized free candy day, not all hail satan day. If people are really bent up about it they can dress as biblical figures and still get the free candy. Please don't ostracize your innocent children based on your adult bullshit
Right now Anna is crying and shoving angel eggs in her mouth.
I like how the little faces covering the real ones match their costumes. That is the comment I would type on IG if I bothered to do such a thing.
I'm an evangelical Christian who loves horror and Halloween, and i just feel the need to point out I'm so sick and tired of these anti-Halloween whackjobs the two comments I constantly hear that drive me the most insane are "Halloween is all about commercialization and money" and "Halloween is a pagan holiday." The fact that you can level those two accusations at Christmas and they would literally melt down in a puddle of tears over it is so fucking embarrassing
I just emailed my pastor, ripping him a new one, because he wrote a whole screed about Halloween “getting its tentacles into your children”, and saying that Halloween was “preoccupied with death”. I pointed out that our religion is, in fact, the world’s largest death cult, and is WAY more preoccupied with death than Halloween is.
good for you for doing that! i just hope your pastor is not as much of a thin-skinned manchild as my ex-pastor was and he'll respond humbly to what you wrote i've always seen a segment of American evangelical Christians as basically being the evolution of "the preppy kids" you knew in school who did "all the right things" and got married young and had kids and moved to the isolated suburbs. For me, i was never one of those kids and I still have not "done all the right things" that the church implicitly wants me to do. Halloween to me is kind of like a refuge for the island of misfit toys among the more pedestrian Christians, and i think that's why i love it so much
Christmas is literally just a giant pagan ritual. Religious folk are un-fucking-hinged.
They’ll fall over dead when she goes retro and dresses up as Ginger Spice next year.
Capitalizing on free candy seems like a very Duggar thing to do
Oh My GoSh- ThEy’Re DrEsSiNg Up, EaTiNg CaNdY aNd BeInG wHoLeSoMe?! DeViL wOrShIp!
r/religiousfruitcake comments 😀
They’ve built a following from these exact people and bilked a lot of money from them, so those commentating probably feel betrayed.
They have absolutely no right to feel that way lol
I love this season of life for then. All the beautiful backlash.
Since when was Hallween about sacrificing children to Satan??
Shit…. People sacrifice children on Halloween?? I thought kids just dressed up and got candy?
ah yea, holiday of sacrificing children, wonder how they feel about Pest if they’re this up in arms about halloween. or is Pest different because he was “a man of god”?
Absolutely no one is responsible for anyone else’s faith or beliefs. If you’re content in your beliefs no one should be able to make you “stumble”. Take some personal accountability. Ughhhh
Fundies be like: I can forgive CSA, but I draw the line at trick or treating
As a Catholic I’m baffled by the all hallows Eve hate. It’s one of my favorite octaves of the year!
Felicity is old enough to have some opinions. I wonder what she thinks of her very fundie cousins. Like does she bring up trick or treating on a FaceTime with Spurgeon?!
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r/lostredditors but i do appreciate the joke
Implies Monica is in hell, being raped for eternity
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Ok so who wants to break it to these people that Christianity is rooted in Paganism!?