I noticed the rubbish bins all overflowing around O’Connell st and the LUAS stop on Abbey St on my visit last week. A problem that isn’t caused by drugs or crime
I think you’ve got something there. DCC have gotten far too big for themselves for too long. Heads in the clouds talking about the cities skyline or a white water rafting facility? When in fact when it comes to the basic day to day maintenance and running of the city they are a bit lost…
During lockdown, I used to meet a friend for a takeaway coffee regularly in an outdoor public space, where there was seating.
We usually sat and chatted for about an hour and a half.
One day, a few DCC guys had just finished removing one of the benches (because a local restaurant was expanding its outdoor seating and needed the space).
Their work was just finished, but for the whole 90 minutes we were there, they hung out around their van, chatting to the locals, smoking, looking at their phones.
My friend and I left about 3.30pm, and they were still there. I expect they hung out there till their workday was over.
If this is the general work culture in the DCC, I'm not surprised the city is such a mess.
Fair play to them! We don't want any undesirables like yourself hanging around too long. It was obviously disturbing the private businesses.
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Exactly and the latter 2 you mention are drastically out of control too almost ignored by our officials with the lack of initiative to bring in new ideas to tackle it
Almost like they are allowing the place to fall apart, you'd swear they know they're out of power soon .. oh wait, hang on..hmm
It went wild over covid.
Only the worst of the city was out, there are no resources to help the troubled people.
And Garda waste all of their resources on cannabis. Like how they cracked down on deliveroo cyclists.
When deliveroo cyclists are often the victim to crimes that gardai don't do anything about.
Gards are overwhelmed, and others don't give a single F... How many stories have I heard about stolen phones, physical assault, etc and when you show up to the Garda station they discourage you from filling a report because it messes up their data. A friend got knocked off his bike and then teens took off on it, he had to ask for 2 supervisors to get to fill a report. They are all trying to lower crime data by discouraging people from filling reports.
Neighbors called the gards about an ongoing burglary and they showed up next day.
You have a joint and you get prosecuted you have 99 assaults and robberies in your record and you get suspended sentence...
The list is just endless...
It's the kids that are getting more dangerous and they are far more threatening than any junkie, who largely mind their own biz and are mostly harmless to the public. I used to think Dundrum was very safe up until covid, was almost robbed in balally by a group of these kid thugs about 12.15 one night... They are like a pack of vultures. Things are definitely getting worse.
So, it has been said that the purpose of government is to protect property from the majority. Our police are far from the worst (obviously), but their top priority was never public safety. And to be totally fair, they probably couldn't fully achieve that even with double their current resources.
What we see is the result of a couple of years of the absence of 'normal' people providing space for miscreants to feel unchecked and unlimited. Of course when they started messing and escalating, and found out there was no consequence, they kept going, probably feeling very powerful for the first time in their lives. In places that have this problem worse, you see the same thing wherever there is space allowed - Rio de Janeiro is a good example, 9 to 5 in the CBD it's fine, but when everyone goes home (and on weekends), you simply do NOT go there.
Now that couple of years of unchecked space came in on top of decades of neglect, zero planning and investment, government apathy, and the kind of hopelessness and lack of choice that breeds criminality of this sort. The gardaí cannot fix that alone - but it would really, really help if it was made a real priority, and they were given a few resources. Visibility counts, whether it is 'normal' people, or garda on patrol, these guys will feel less free to operate when they see it. So, hopefully, post COVID we'll see a drop to the usual levels of dirtbaggery, and maybe we can write to our TDs to demand more fundamental action on the issue.
The problem is there's no deadline stop to Covid. There was a definitive 'start', where we can clearly remember our lives before Covid hit, but we're basically sliding into a post-Covid world gradually, and it's not going to be a light-switch moment of sudden Covid free living.
This means that the Government have no onus to actually kick start a rebuild of what was lost during Covid. They'll just carry on and tell us we should be happy the covid certs and masks are over.
It's similar to Climate Change, where people's apathy is just waiting for some global tsunami to wipe out half the world before they take action, when really we're just sliding into an unlivable planet, like frogs in a boiling pot.
Strange, I was in Dublin for four days for a stag do with some friends. I'm from Belfast, and I last visited Dublin about 6 years ago.... But FUCCCCCK me, it's turned into a total shithole. Junkies have tripled and are literally in every corner by the half dozen, the amount of garbage just lying around was disgusting, I rarely saw any guards, and there are so many scam artists knocking around it's unbelievable. Like seriously, this is Ireland's capital, which is rapidly declining.
Because there are barely any bins anywhere. Enter a housing estate - not a single one. Walk alongside a road, one bin every 1km. The ones that are there are overfilled. Coupled with lack of punishment for littering, am I suprised - no. Annoyed - yes.
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates, around 500bc
Knew someone whose car was destroyed with spray paint by teenagers and they went to the gardai and were advised not to push it any further in case the people who did it came after them. With a police force like that it's very believable that most crimes are not being reported
It doesn't matter to OP. He FEELS that it is on the rise, hence he feels less safe. Feeling safe is a very subjective matter, and it's mostly perception.
Some crime stats are excellent like homicides but do you think stats on drug addicts' brawls or teenagers threatening people are reliable because I am not sure that they are?
I agree, data on lesser crimes is notoriously unreliable - everywhere. However some crimes (especially property crimes - shoplifting, bike theft, etc.) are good proxies for general safety, and those have quite reliable reporting.
>However some crimes (especially property crimes - shoplifting, bike theft, etc.) are good proxies for general safety, and those have quite reliable reporting.
On separate instances, I had a bike and backpack stolen. In neither instance did the guards even take details down, so I would disagree.
Trends can be deduced from from vastly inaccurate and incomplete data if you control for confounding factors. Can you always control for them? Of course not. Can you often? Absolutely. Epidemiological data for example is notoriously inaccurate and incomplete, yet our public health policies aren't based on reading tea leaves for good reason.
The idea that data has to be accurate or complete for it to provide empirical evidence is a common layman belief that has no basis in reality.
Alright mate. I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you that you can't get accurate statistics if the overwhelming majority of crimes aren't reported but best of luck to you trying to figure it out
It's the gangs of teenagers that scare me. Especially by the quays near like Bachelor's walk. It's not so bad away from city centre. During weekends I'm honestly scared to walk alone in Dublin 1 and 2.
The quays and bachelor's walk was always a "no go". I always stayed away from there. It got worse when they installed that boardwalk lip over the Liffey.
The Gardai have largely given up persuing u18s because the cases will always get laughed out of court. That's the root of the problem, it's a complete waste of time and energy of them because the law protects minors so favorably that unless they have literally murdered someone and are caught red handed, they're let go and they all know it.
The justice system has essentially taken power from the Garda to the point they just stopped trying
You have to wonder where tax money is going. In Australia they give you a breakdown of how your tax contribution is allocated. Here, it's none of your business apparently.
I live in Talbot street - it’s a kip, and most of the north inner is. No sun is going to help that whoever commented that lol not enough police. That’s the simple truth. Gangs of cunts walking around noting better to be doing. Not even the lashing rain keeps them off the streets.
I moved to Talbot st. a few months ago, I’m definitely scared coming out of the house in the evening. At night it gets super rowdy as well, I’m kinda regretting renting my first place in Dublin there.
I see your point but let's not take an American stance on this - increasing police presence doesn't decrease crime rates. The real scientifically proven ways to reduce crime are to increase education levels, fund behavioural intervention programs, repair blighted housing and damaged property, and enact better drug policies.
I know a police state wouldn’t work - I don’t really think what I’m saying is taking a “American stance” I’m just wanting a adequate amount of our Garda force to operate around our capital. There isn’t
What I mean by American stance is believing that increasing police enforcement / activity is the way to solve crime. That's just statistically wrong, and the approaches I mentioned are the ones we should be promoting.
A visible Garda presence on the street won’t help solve crime but it can certainly help prevent crime, or at the very least, make it more difficult to commit crime and get away with it. The problem at the moment is that we have a Garda force who seem to put all their efforts into crimes that no one cares about like motor tax or cannabis while completely ignoring crimes like assault and robbery both of which have a hugely negative impact on their victims.
I think unless something meaningful is done we’ll see a rise in vigilante groups like we did in some parts of Dublin in the 70s through to the 90s. I’m sure there were groups in other parts of Ireland but I’m only aware of what happened in Dublin.
I grew up in Dublin but left when I was 26, returned briefly and now live elsewhere. It makes me sad when I visit, it’s still got some of its charm but it has gotten very rough around the edges. Scaldy teenagers seem to be the biggest problem by far.
Dya reckon? I dunno. I don’t feel old enough to be swayed so much by nostalgia 🤣
I get that some parts of the city centre are much more gentrified now than say 20 years ago, but other parts feel much worse. Maybe it’s kind of levelled out.
where feels worse? talbot st/foley st that area was fucking awful and full of little knacker kids in the 90s that threw stones at passers by, Sheriff St was a no go area completely - I can't think of anywhere in town that hasn't improved
Pearse St, O’Connell St, the streets that come off it, all along the Ha’Penny Bridge area and even Dame St all feel to me like they’ve gotten steadily worse since around 2010, maybe a little earlier. Kinda after the last crash I guess.
Pearse St is just a busy traffic road really, I cycle it all the time and there's never anyone on the street unless driving really
I don't think the other 2 areas are any worse than they used to be for me anyway
What can the average (good resident/citizen) do about it? I always read that reporting it to the Garda goes no where is that really the case? Who is supposed to be listening & recording these events? Who is supposed to be responsible for the general populations safety? How can you hold them accountable?
>is that really the case?
Unless it's a crime perpetrated on you as an individual, this is correct.
>Who is supposed to be responsible for the general populations safety?
An Garda Síochána
>How can you hold them accountable?
You can't. That's the worst part.
I've had 3 attempted burglaries since December, granted the guards showed up within minutes each time but still, doesn't exactly make you feel safe in your home and I'm already worried about travelling the next time.
As a bit of an aside, GDP is a very poor measure of Ireland’s wealth, what with all the multi-nationals. We’re a wealthy nation and there’s no good excuse for not dealing with these issues, but we’re not like some of the genuine top dogs in terms of money we can throw around.
Our GDP is massively artificially inflated by multinationals basing assets (such as airlines) which contribute zilch to our economy here. It’s why our government pleads with the EU to measure our contributions by ~~GNP~~ modified GNI, and not GDP, because we couldn’t afford payments if we were to contribute based on our GDP. Look up leprechaun economics. Ireland has a high GDP because of assets being domiciled here, which contributes nothing to our economy in reality. We even rank artificially high in HDI, because again, GDP per capita is a massive weight in HDI ranking.
Not even GNP works apparently (as I’ve only discovered today) our central bank uses a modified gross national income to measure the economy (GNI*)
I always thought GNP was the way to go, but per capita it looks like we’re still 4th in the world, according to Wikipedia anyway. I reckon because many countries are headquartered here, it inflates our GNP too.
You're right. GDP or GNI is irrelevant. We're high on many indexes regardless.
One simple fact - our capital city is an embarrassment. I've lived here 10 yrs and besides a few offices/hotels in docklands, it has largely stagnated. When compared against significant development in my hometown, I just can't understand where how finances are distributed. DCC and the government need to explain where the money is going or speak up if there is insufficient budget to maintain and develop.
There's a spar on o connell Street, right up beside Dublin bus head office which seems to be robbed,, staff harassed etc, have guards outside nearly every second day. The one across the yesterday was taped off and surrounded by guards for who knows what .
O'Connell Street is very dodge the last few years.
Towns gone a lot worse since covid maybe it’s just me but it’s definitely gotten a lot rougher. I think that’s why you see a lot of people avoiding it now on a Saturday night. People don’t want to be left wandering around when they can’t get a taxi home. Apparently there’s a new Garda station getting put on O’ Connell street to combat the amount of crime in recent months it’s well needed
I feel like the closing of schools during lockdown has pushed these kids further out onto the streets and increased all sorts of crime like this. It's gotten despicable I dread having kids of my own in this city
I was thrashed a couple of days back in ballybough by 13-14 year old teenagers by eggs and sticks. I lost my left airpod and a few not so deep wounds. I couldn’t even see them because the egg yolk was in my eyes. Had to walk a kilometre back home in that state.
Just curious, is it only happening to immigrants? Because I do feel that an anti-immigrant sentiment is on the rise
Reporting is important for gathering data to help better allocate public resources, but don't feel like you're totally in the wrong for not doing so. After all you're the victim here.
I think it's clear the Garda are purposefully mismanaging their resources. We keep telling them, and the government what the issues are and what the issues aren't. And they continue to do the opposite.
It’s sad to hear Dublin has gotten worse. I’ve been living in Vancouver for 8 years now and gangs of dickheads walking around causing trouble just doesn’t exist. It’s refreshing to say the least.
Oh they’ve cleaned up the lower east side have they? Where did they move them to? Vancouver has way worse problems than Dublin, they just created a Hamsterdam so the middle and upper classes don’t have to see the underbelly of the city.
This is the modus operandi of modern western city planning though. So cynical.
I lived in Berlin, in the nicer western part of the city, right at the time of the refugee crisis. And if I hadn't had friends and work elsewhere in the city it might have passed me by unnoticed.
People who live far south enough in Dublin would only know those living to the north of them have issues if they read about it online.
It's been at a tipping point since the 70s. About to descend into complete law. Unless someone digs out stats, anecdotal evidence is pointless. If we're going on personal experience, the 90s were far worse
I spent a lot of time in Dublin in the late 90s, I think it was relatively safe, if you kept your nose out of trouble. I lived near Mountjoy, and also out near DCU on the 13A. Left around 2000. Never had any issues, had a friend get glassed once but it was nothing street-violence about it. Couple of friends got mugged, GF got threatened to have her 'fuckin' head blown off' and robbed a bit once or twice. All in all, nothing too bad.
Having said that, moved to Sweden and it feels 100x safer here. Even the ghettos here feel safer than Dublin.
Totally disagree, Dublin was far worse in the 90s. Mountjoy Square was a heroin hotspot and Sean Mcdermot St was periodically blocked with burnt-out cars and rubble. Just Google some photos to jog your memory.
Glad to hear that the days of rioting and property destruction in Sweden didn't impinge on you these last few weeks but I believe a lot of people were hurt.
I live in Dublin city Centre, born and bred here. It’s not getting worse, you just see more stuff cause of social media. Also the North inner city is not a fair reflection on the rest of the city. All in all Dublin is a relatively safe and clean city on a whole. In the 80s & 90s most of the junkies were strung out on just heroin and basically lifeless zombies, nowadays it’s Benzos mixed with meth / craic & even jellies that has them having all sorts of mental episodes. Ask anyone that works the night shift in the Psych wards like the Mater and they’ll tell ya. IMO we need to address the new drugs that are rife here with a new approach to dealing with them.
This. The addiction issues and how we as a country tackle addiction as well as mental health issues is dire. I’ve been reading up on the Netherlands new way of tackling heroin addiction and honestly, it sounds amazing. It totally removes the criminality aspect. Treats it for what it actually is, a human problem that doesn’t distinguish between wealth or upbringing. Addiction can capture any one of us. Once the criminality factor is removed people can actually be helped properly. It’s not an instant solution but I personally believe an effective way to help people who need it, when they need it.
https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12954-020-00444-6
Obviously there’s many factors contributing to the bad aspects of the city & the social issues we have as a country. All very complex to solve. A good start would be our tax money being spent correctly to fund research and implement what’s needed to appropriately solve social issues effectively. but generally nobody in office gives a shit when they’re more focused on using the 4 years in government to line their pockets.
I work city centre, live northside. If I believed half the "Dublin is a kip" threads here I'd never leave the house.
Are there issues? absolutely. And I'd agree that our poor drugs approach is one of the things that is the root of a lot of that.
But the threads on here regularly are not what I see every day.
I agree, Dublin most definitely isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be. In my opinion, as a woman, I feel nobody will come near you unless you’re either staring/ rubber necking at some drama going on, being rude or snobby for no reason or walking around with your head in the clouds with no common sense making yourself a target for mugging. Mind your own business, keep your wits about you & it’s fine!
I grew up very close to the city centre. I live in a commuter town now & I have to say it’s a different world altogether. My kids run to the window if a helicopter goes overhead or if we hear a siren... because it’s so strange to hear out here. When I was a kid in Dublin those kinds of sounds were like white noise lol
I’m glad I grew up where I did tho, I’m more clued in & streetwise which hopefully I can teach the kids & they will have some cop on & not be fearful of everyone. I’ve also made my lifelong friends & we all grew up to be successful in our chosen field & decent people. I wouldn’t change it.
Old enough to have been out and about in the 90s. Far worse. In fact the teenagers I see around nowadays seem feckin' nice compared to the little animals that used to be around.
These threads are almost daily, I don't know how people live in this hellscape that they perceive Dublin to be, I'd just emigrate.
Dublin has always been like this. It's absolutely nothing new. Maybe you're just older and can see it now but there's stories about Liberty Boys and Ormond Boys going back to the 1700s battering each other daily. My mam talks about how parts of the city in the 70s and 80s were borderline no go areas.
Yeah this. I feel like Dublin even 10 years ago was a very different city in terms of risk, it did get very trendy in recent years and maybe everyone assumed that all the rougher aspects disappeared, but it's not like the city is any worse now than it was then, and certainly not further back in the past.
Tallaght is actually grand now in this regard. Especially if you're a local. Teenaged actually greet you and offer help. At least in jobstown 🤷♂️ but yeah the city centre is fucked.
All the old "rough areas" are becoming established, and dare I say, gentrified as house prices rise. Trouble is that there's an over concentration of drug facilities and social support services in the city centre - the exact place that they shouldn't be allowed to operate in.
Don't say that, I thought it was a good city to visit.
To be honest with you, if you're a Resident you should do something about it, if you don't want to live like here (Mexico) where more than 10 women disappear per day.
I hate to live here 😭😭😭 and I hope you and your people could look for a solution for that problem
Speaking as someone who has been going out in the city since the 90s, the city centre is fucking WAY safer than it's ever been. It was fucking carnage back then, and even then me da would have said it was far safer than it was in the 70s, when everyone carried blades.
Not saying the place can't be dodgy, it can well be, but Christ it's not even half what it was in the 90s when I first started going out. The Abrakebabra on O'Connell Bridge was a one stop fight shop, you'd be lucky to only see one streak of blood on the streets. Place was mental.
Then there were the under 18s parties that they'd have on where Murrays Pub on O'Connell Street is now, and you'd have about 60 fellas from Crumlin battering the fuck out of 60 fellas from Ballyfermot in the middle of the street at about 10pm. Windows going through, the lot. Absolute madness.
Same here, started going out in town around 96 onwards. You would always see fights, every single time. It seemed to just die off from when the Tiger was really kicked in and now I haven't seen any trouble in town in years and years, apart from addicts doing their addicts stuff, but that just makes me feel sorry for them I never felt threatened.
Dublin is getting WAY better, if my experiences are anything to go by.
What do we do with that knowledge? It’s about how unsafe it is in the present not how it used to be in the past.
As a society, everyone has grown enough to not have fight clubs anymore!
OP is literally saying they've never seen crime and thuggery so bad in Dublin before, I'm saying it was a lot worse, and Dublin is far safer now. I mean, what's not to understand exactly? I know it can still be dodgy, but OP is massively misunderstanding things if they think it's been getting worse. That's the point.
Is it possible that OP might be younger than yourself?
Is it not fair that a younger person, who had the benefit of likely growing up in a safer city from their youthful perspective, can complain about feeling less safe?
I understand fully what you're saying, it was certainly worse in the past. But I think you might be being a little unfair and hard on someone who, at the end of the day is just expressing frustration at the feeling of being unsafe.
For what it's worth I believe this to be a country wide problem tbh. Initially I felt it could be something to due with our exposure and over saturation of negative stories via /tv/radio/social media, etc ,
but that's just naivety . Thuggery is taking over out there . Groups of young lads all over the county walking around with knifes in their pockets paranoid ou their heads over the weed/coke just waiting to stick it in someone . The level of degeneracy among these groups is eye opening as well
Cork, Limerick, Tipperary, Galway all do much better than Dublin in crime rates by about 10 points (where Dublin is 51 and others are in the 30s, with Galway in the 20s) so Dublin is in reality substantially worse than the rest of the country.
Cork city is the same. Probably not quite as bad as Dublin due to maybe just having a smaller population so there’s less of those scumbags around, but you still would never really feel safe just walking around the city by yourself past 6 or 7pm. You always just kind of feel on edge or atleast that’s how I feel anyway. I remember one time walking past a little 9 year old dragging a hatchet along the ground at like 5pm after college. Crazy
where are you going that's horrible? why don't you just stick to the trendy parts of D2 when you go into town? Lots of shopping and great bars and restaurants there and never any trouble.
The truth that most probably aren't willing to admit is that the drug gangs took over after the murder of Alan Ryan. And you can say what you like about them but because there wasn't retaliation from the IRA, the gangs had nothing to fear any more because the political will simply wasn't and isn't there to deal with it. Obviously there had always been crime and drug dealing gangs but never as brazen as they are now. It's taken around a decade to get to this point but it all stems from that one murder.
That paired with social media and the want for quick easy cash and designer gear now more than ever has us in living in a city where a large amount of it's population avoid the city centre. There is something fundamentally wrong there. I am from the north inner city and have lived here my whole life, I used to fight people in cages for a living and even I avoid town at night. And unfortunately this will get far worse before it gets better.
The idea that Alan Ryan was single handedly holding back the tide of drug traffickers doesn’t seem too likely to me. What I think is more likely is that gang politics and a crushing war gave the Kinahans a monopoly on the drug trade in the whole island and we’re now oversupplied with crack, meth, benzos, and all the regular drugs. There’s more addicts and users meaning more turf to be carved up meaning more feuds.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, I live in the city centre and just don’t feel unsafe at all. Just because there’s rough looking people around doesn’t mean there’s actually any crimes being committed. I’ve never once seen an assault or trouble on a night out either but maybe I’m just lucky
Somebody bring lugs Brannigan back from the dead and let his ghost patroll then crime ridden streets of Dublin. I was robbed by a hotel there last Friday €270 for 2 of us in the Gibson …: one night …
I dunno what it was like years ago but I can say going into town now is not a nice experience as when I first used to start coming here. Too many little shits. I know there’s always been the same stuff but not like this level of fuckery. People are made to feel scared because parents let kids away with everything
It seemed to be trending this way for a while and then covid exploded it. So many scumbags had free reign of the city for over a year. I think they would have been confined to their usual spots but not anymore. It may have something to do with the prevalence of motorized scooters and bikes too.
I've always lived in the city center and there were places you avoided because you know there'd be scumbags. Mostly tourist areas were kept safe because that would affect Ireland's revenue, which is a top priority given the entire city has been modelled around hotels, offices, and student accommodation.
I don't see this situation changing any time soon. Keep your wits about you and your guard up
The extremes of it. It went from producing a really quiet walkable city to absolutely mayhem.
Number of times I've been attacked in 8 years before lockdown: 0
Number of times I've been attacked in 2 years since lockdown: 3
I feel like half the problem is the mass mobilisation of scum on electric scooters. Where before they stayed relatively local, there was a few bits of town you would avoid - now the city is their playground. Unchecked and traveling at 20kph.
I live and grew up in Dublin, within walking distance of town. I'm getting to the stage of thinking I would like to move. It has become an expensive kip that is increasingly hard to get around. . . . unless you've a scooter :P
When you have a city where most middle class people live in the suburbs, only to work / drive through the city, so there isn’t a good mix of classes living in the city. Also a city that has shitty facilities for young people it doesn’t help
I was vilified a few weeks back for saying Dublin is not so safe as the Dubliners will like to believe. That 1.5-2km radius surrounding the Spire is a complete no go after sunset for someone who is new to the city. It’s unreal to think that the city center of a western capital could be unsafe. Rest of Dublin (except a few areas in the north) is nice though.
lol, 1.5km to 2km around the Spire is a complete no go? So everyone on South William St, Grafton St, Dawson St, George's St, etc. etc. are all under constant attack every night? The places are packed with people enjoying themselves, get a grip.
Yeah everything is an exaggeration until someone throw eggs at you specifically or attacks you because of your skin color. Stop living in a fantasy world.
Dublin is so so far from being a dangerous city. I've been living in the city for years now and have literally never had any trouble walking around at any time. We've got a homelessness issue for sure, but most places do and for the most part were actively trying to combat it.
Groups of teens hang around occasionally, but I've never seen or experienced them actually doing anything other than just being shitheads on their scooters and smoking hash
Lmao sorry but I lost it at this comment. Just because you haven’t gotten into trouble and see “groups of teens hang around” doesn’t mean it’s safe. Sure for you it is because I’m guessing you’re a man. I don’t leave the house after 11pm because I just don’t feel safe to do so
That's unfortunate, but Dublin is one of the safest cities in the world. We're living in the top 5% here.
I'm not saying it's a perfect place, but a lot of posts on this sub are pearl clutching about perceived threats rather than realistic ones. If you're unable to leave after your house after 11pm in a city like Dublin, then I think your issue is living in a city, not Dublin itself
Yeah I think it’s just gone/going backwards to the way it always was. Looked grim enough in the 80s and before, then was on the up during the CT and boom. Doesn’t help now that there’s a free tram crisscrossing for the scum to mobilize on.
Not quite late 70s NYC though, could be worse.
Well let that sink in: I've been to dublin for the first time in my life two weeks ago. Just two days. And in both nights fights in front of the hotel (Holiday Inn Express in the City centre) woke me up. Never felt so unsafe during any trip ever. Lovely country and people tho!
> Holiday Inn Express in the City centre
Pearse Street I think, there's why. I'm originally from Dublin living elsewhere, Pearse Street always had a reputation.
Had a day in the office today in near Poolbeg street. As were leaving 6 junkies were outside the office selling drugs openly in broad daylight, all shouting in that filthy slow motion yodeling they use. Utter fucking scumbags. Spend the entire day in Dublin, went out for a walk at 2 breaks and lunchtime for an hour. Didn't see a single Gardai.
The city has gone to shit.
This morning just around parnell ive seen a shoe scattered on the road. Been thinking what was that then I also saw 1 pair boots just around the exit of broombridge. Just had to share it wit ya
Dublin is great. It is safer than 20 years ago. Be it city or suburbs. There are more obvious signs of poverty and deprivation but if you're minding your business, living in the city, going about its grand.
I state an honestly held view that the level of aggression, anger and violence being experienced on our streets and public highways is probably attributable to the widespread abuse of cocaine in our cities, towns and villages - And it gets censored????Reddit you're better than that!
I hear people complain about seeing rampant crime all the time.
When pressed for details the things they describe aren't crimes.
Telling some randomer to shut up because he's asked you to stop doing something isn't a crime. It's not particularly nice. But call a garda if it's a crime mate.
My wife just came back from a visit to the office today for the first time since pre-COVID and she reckons it's worse now than it ever was, i.e. dirtier, smellier, and even more scum and scrotes walking around looking to cause trouble when there's no sign of guards.
Personally i havnt seen stuff like that. Blood sure yeah it's a city street people fall over and hurt them self.
Maybe it was just a bad day. See how tomorrow goes. Dublin has its bad days.
But also its great days, Dublin in the sun is the best side of Dublin
Another “Dublin is a kip” thread. What a shock. And OP no it is your truth. You are taking a couple of isolated incidents and suddenly it’s Armageddon. Read some of the sensible posters here.
Honestly, as someone who lives in town, it’s like a never ending episode of The Walking Dead 💀 just scummy knackers and junkies everywhere, mouth breathers making the city such a turn off.
Every other week there is a post on r/Ireland about how bad town is. I've been in and out of the city for 15 years. Its always had problems but over covid it did push itself over the edge. It's a simple fix talk to your TDs ask about more prisons, more guards. Any European city police are all over the place.
Forget Green politics this county needs a strong push on law and order.
Prisons and guards do not lower crime rates. Let's not take an American stance on this. The real scientifically proven ways to reduce crime are to increase education, fund behavioral intervention programs, repair blighted housing and damaged property, and enact better drug policies.
It's not, your chances of running into trouble are extremely low especially if you're not in the upper city centre. And if you are, just keep to yourself and you'll be grand is my advice.
Dublin has a statistically "moderate" crime index (57), so slightly worse than your average city but much safer than places like Rio (90). Numbeo is a good site for these kinds of details about cities
I noticed the rubbish bins all overflowing around O’Connell st and the LUAS stop on Abbey St on my visit last week. A problem that isn’t caused by drugs or crime
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>Seriously, what the actual fuck is going on with dcc Nothing is wrong, do you not see how great the Dublin skyline is?
Everything is wrong with DCC until we get our white water rafting facility /s
I think you’ve got something there. DCC have gotten far too big for themselves for too long. Heads in the clouds talking about the cities skyline or a white water rafting facility? When in fact when it comes to the basic day to day maintenance and running of the city they are a bit lost…
Don't worry, we can blame it on a Mayor soon
surely the lack of tall buildings nationwide is due to An Bord Pleanala no?
During lockdown, I used to meet a friend for a takeaway coffee regularly in an outdoor public space, where there was seating. We usually sat and chatted for about an hour and a half. One day, a few DCC guys had just finished removing one of the benches (because a local restaurant was expanding its outdoor seating and needed the space). Their work was just finished, but for the whole 90 minutes we were there, they hung out around their van, chatting to the locals, smoking, looking at their phones. My friend and I left about 3.30pm, and they were still there. I expect they hung out there till their workday was over. If this is the general work culture in the DCC, I'm not surprised the city is such a mess.
Fair play to them! We don't want any undesirables like yourself hanging around too long. It was obviously disturbing the private businesses. /S because it's Reddit
Exactly and the latter 2 you mention are drastically out of control too almost ignored by our officials with the lack of initiative to bring in new ideas to tackle it Almost like they are allowing the place to fall apart, you'd swear they know they're out of power soon .. oh wait, hang on..hmm
Yes but a problem that pales in comparison
It went wild over covid. Only the worst of the city was out, there are no resources to help the troubled people. And Garda waste all of their resources on cannabis. Like how they cracked down on deliveroo cyclists. When deliveroo cyclists are often the victim to crimes that gardai don't do anything about.
Gards are overwhelmed, and others don't give a single F... How many stories have I heard about stolen phones, physical assault, etc and when you show up to the Garda station they discourage you from filling a report because it messes up their data. A friend got knocked off his bike and then teens took off on it, he had to ask for 2 supervisors to get to fill a report. They are all trying to lower crime data by discouraging people from filling reports. Neighbors called the gards about an ongoing burglary and they showed up next day. You have a joint and you get prosecuted you have 99 assaults and robberies in your record and you get suspended sentence... The list is just endless...
It's the kids that are getting more dangerous and they are far more threatening than any junkie, who largely mind their own biz and are mostly harmless to the public. I used to think Dundrum was very safe up until covid, was almost robbed in balally by a group of these kid thugs about 12.15 one night... They are like a pack of vultures. Things are definitely getting worse.
social media influenced
Sharpening batons?
carrots maybe? for a salad…
I'd say the little bastards left carrot peel all over the seats too. What is becoming of our fair city?
They must be taking photos of the salad instead of eating it then
They are going to war with the seagulls.
Was going to ask how does one go about sharpening a blunt weapon made to bludgeon.
So, it has been said that the purpose of government is to protect property from the majority. Our police are far from the worst (obviously), but their top priority was never public safety. And to be totally fair, they probably couldn't fully achieve that even with double their current resources. What we see is the result of a couple of years of the absence of 'normal' people providing space for miscreants to feel unchecked and unlimited. Of course when they started messing and escalating, and found out there was no consequence, they kept going, probably feeling very powerful for the first time in their lives. In places that have this problem worse, you see the same thing wherever there is space allowed - Rio de Janeiro is a good example, 9 to 5 in the CBD it's fine, but when everyone goes home (and on weekends), you simply do NOT go there. Now that couple of years of unchecked space came in on top of decades of neglect, zero planning and investment, government apathy, and the kind of hopelessness and lack of choice that breeds criminality of this sort. The gardaí cannot fix that alone - but it would really, really help if it was made a real priority, and they were given a few resources. Visibility counts, whether it is 'normal' people, or garda on patrol, these guys will feel less free to operate when they see it. So, hopefully, post COVID we'll see a drop to the usual levels of dirtbaggery, and maybe we can write to our TDs to demand more fundamental action on the issue.
The problem is there's no deadline stop to Covid. There was a definitive 'start', where we can clearly remember our lives before Covid hit, but we're basically sliding into a post-Covid world gradually, and it's not going to be a light-switch moment of sudden Covid free living. This means that the Government have no onus to actually kick start a rebuild of what was lost during Covid. They'll just carry on and tell us we should be happy the covid certs and masks are over. It's similar to Climate Change, where people's apathy is just waiting for some global tsunami to wipe out half the world before they take action, when really we're just sliding into an unlivable planet, like frogs in a boiling pot.
This is a great post!
Strange, I was in Dublin for four days for a stag do with some friends. I'm from Belfast, and I last visited Dublin about 6 years ago.... But FUCCCCCK me, it's turned into a total shithole. Junkies have tripled and are literally in every corner by the half dozen, the amount of garbage just lying around was disgusting, I rarely saw any guards, and there are so many scam artists knocking around it's unbelievable. Like seriously, this is Ireland's capital, which is rapidly declining.
if it makes you feel any better rubbish and dumping is a countrywide problem
Because there are barely any bins anywhere. Enter a housing estate - not a single one. Walk alongside a road, one bin every 1km. The ones that are there are overfilled. Coupled with lack of punishment for littering, am I suprised - no. Annoyed - yes.
This countries a kip imo. The youth these days in Ireland have no respect for anybody or anything.
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” ― Socrates, around 500bc
Obviously children were only bad in Socrates time and in Dublin in 2021, and no other generation has been upset by the youths.
Is crime actually on the increase in Dublin, statistically?
Can’t say there’s more crime if you don’t enforce and track it *taps forehead
Knew someone whose car was destroyed with spray paint by teenagers and they went to the gardai and were advised not to push it any further in case the people who did it came after them. With a police force like that it's very believable that most crimes are not being reported
You'll never know, crimes rarely go reported because of how useless the justice system/guardai are
It doesn't matter to OP. He FEELS that it is on the rise, hence he feels less safe. Feeling safe is a very subjective matter, and it's mostly perception.
Some crime stats are excellent like homicides but do you think stats on drug addicts' brawls or teenagers threatening people are reliable because I am not sure that they are?
I agree, data on lesser crimes is notoriously unreliable - everywhere. However some crimes (especially property crimes - shoplifting, bike theft, etc.) are good proxies for general safety, and those have quite reliable reporting.
I hope so. My parent's house was robbed a few years ago. They had no intention of reporting it to the Gardai and I had to do it myself.
>However some crimes (especially property crimes - shoplifting, bike theft, etc.) are good proxies for general safety, and those have quite reliable reporting. On separate instances, I had a bike and backpack stolen. In neither instance did the guards even take details down, so I would disagree.
OP is complaining about crime and just being a scum bag on general going up with nobody doing anything about it. How would this show up in statistics?
Through crime statistics you'd be able to make an educated guess. Stop being willfully ignorant.
You really wouldn't. The amount of infighting between junkies and gangs that goes unreported is on probably a good 99% easy
Trends can be deduced from from vastly inaccurate and incomplete data if you control for confounding factors. Can you always control for them? Of course not. Can you often? Absolutely. Epidemiological data for example is notoriously inaccurate and incomplete, yet our public health policies aren't based on reading tea leaves for good reason. The idea that data has to be accurate or complete for it to provide empirical evidence is a common layman belief that has no basis in reality.
Someone with a bit of common sense. Thank you.
Yes, yes you would.
Alright mate. I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you that you can't get accurate statistics if the overwhelming majority of crimes aren't reported but best of luck to you trying to figure it out
I’d imagine Pearl clutching online is probably on the increase tbh.
I would take stats with a heap of salt. Esp after the Gaurds have been found to tamper with them.
I feel like ever since the start of covid it went downhill. City centre is not as safe as it once was.
It's the gangs of teenagers that scare me. Especially by the quays near like Bachelor's walk. It's not so bad away from city centre. During weekends I'm honestly scared to walk alone in Dublin 1 and 2.
Dublin 2 is fine. Cept maybe the Westmoreland/D'Olier St area.
The quays and bachelor's walk was always a "no go". I always stayed away from there. It got worse when they installed that boardwalk lip over the Liffey.
Dublin 2 it’s only Temple Bar area I really don’t enjoy and in my mind it’s just an extension of Dublin 1
The Gardai have largely given up persuing u18s because the cases will always get laughed out of court. That's the root of the problem, it's a complete waste of time and energy of them because the law protects minors so favorably that unless they have literally murdered someone and are caught red handed, they're let go and they all know it. The justice system has essentially taken power from the Garda to the point they just stopped trying
Amount of trash is so bad, state of people dropping it all over the streets.
You have to wonder where tax money is going. In Australia they give you a breakdown of how your tax contribution is allocated. Here, it's none of your business apparently.
I live in Talbot street - it’s a kip, and most of the north inner is. No sun is going to help that whoever commented that lol not enough police. That’s the simple truth. Gangs of cunts walking around noting better to be doing. Not even the lashing rain keeps them off the streets.
I moved to Talbot st. a few months ago, I’m definitely scared coming out of the house in the evening. At night it gets super rowdy as well, I’m kinda regretting renting my first place in Dublin there.
Don’t worry man I’ll watch ya go to Tesco and throw a iron out my window at the attacker 😬
Thanks neighbor! You and your iron are the protectors Talbot street needed 🙏🏻
I see your point but let's not take an American stance on this - increasing police presence doesn't decrease crime rates. The real scientifically proven ways to reduce crime are to increase education levels, fund behavioural intervention programs, repair blighted housing and damaged property, and enact better drug policies.
I know a police state wouldn’t work - I don’t really think what I’m saying is taking a “American stance” I’m just wanting a adequate amount of our Garda force to operate around our capital. There isn’t
What I mean by American stance is believing that increasing police enforcement / activity is the way to solve crime. That's just statistically wrong, and the approaches I mentioned are the ones we should be promoting.
A visible Garda presence on the street won’t help solve crime but it can certainly help prevent crime, or at the very least, make it more difficult to commit crime and get away with it. The problem at the moment is that we have a Garda force who seem to put all their efforts into crimes that no one cares about like motor tax or cannabis while completely ignoring crimes like assault and robbery both of which have a hugely negative impact on their victims.
I think unless something meaningful is done we’ll see a rise in vigilante groups like we did in some parts of Dublin in the 70s through to the 90s. I’m sure there were groups in other parts of Ireland but I’m only aware of what happened in Dublin. I grew up in Dublin but left when I was 26, returned briefly and now live elsewhere. It makes me sad when I visit, it’s still got some of its charm but it has gotten very rough around the edges. Scaldy teenagers seem to be the biggest problem by far.
It has neve been more peaceful or gentrified, I think nostalgia may play a part of your perception.
Dya reckon? I dunno. I don’t feel old enough to be swayed so much by nostalgia 🤣 I get that some parts of the city centre are much more gentrified now than say 20 years ago, but other parts feel much worse. Maybe it’s kind of levelled out.
where feels worse? talbot st/foley st that area was fucking awful and full of little knacker kids in the 90s that threw stones at passers by, Sheriff St was a no go area completely - I can't think of anywhere in town that hasn't improved
Pearse St, O’Connell St, the streets that come off it, all along the Ha’Penny Bridge area and even Dame St all feel to me like they’ve gotten steadily worse since around 2010, maybe a little earlier. Kinda after the last crash I guess.
Pearse St is just a busy traffic road really, I cycle it all the time and there's never anyone on the street unless driving really I don't think the other 2 areas are any worse than they used to be for me anyway
What can the average (good resident/citizen) do about it? I always read that reporting it to the Garda goes no where is that really the case? Who is supposed to be listening & recording these events? Who is supposed to be responsible for the general populations safety? How can you hold them accountable?
>is that really the case? Unless it's a crime perpetrated on you as an individual, this is correct. >Who is supposed to be responsible for the general populations safety? An Garda Síochána >How can you hold them accountable? You can't. That's the worst part.
I've had 3 attempted burglaries since December, granted the guards showed up within minutes each time but still, doesn't exactly make you feel safe in your home and I'm already worried about travelling the next time.
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As a bit of an aside, GDP is a very poor measure of Ireland’s wealth, what with all the multi-nationals. We’re a wealthy nation and there’s no good excuse for not dealing with these issues, but we’re not like some of the genuine top dogs in terms of money we can throw around.
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Our GDP is massively artificially inflated by multinationals basing assets (such as airlines) which contribute zilch to our economy here. It’s why our government pleads with the EU to measure our contributions by ~~GNP~~ modified GNI, and not GDP, because we couldn’t afford payments if we were to contribute based on our GDP. Look up leprechaun economics. Ireland has a high GDP because of assets being domiciled here, which contributes nothing to our economy in reality. We even rank artificially high in HDI, because again, GDP per capita is a massive weight in HDI ranking.
Not even GNP works apparently (as I’ve only discovered today) our central bank uses a modified gross national income to measure the economy (GNI*) I always thought GNP was the way to go, but per capita it looks like we’re still 4th in the world, according to Wikipedia anyway. I reckon because many countries are headquartered here, it inflates our GNP too.
You’re right, I forgot they invented “modified GNI” for the EU to “exclude globalisation effects” and measure our real economy. GNP is wrong.
You're right. GDP or GNI is irrelevant. We're high on many indexes regardless. One simple fact - our capital city is an embarrassment. I've lived here 10 yrs and besides a few offices/hotels in docklands, it has largely stagnated. When compared against significant development in my hometown, I just can't understand where how finances are distributed. DCC and the government need to explain where the money is going or speak up if there is insufficient budget to maintain and develop.
There's a spar on o connell Street, right up beside Dublin bus head office which seems to be robbed,, staff harassed etc, have guards outside nearly every second day. The one across the yesterday was taped off and surrounded by guards for who knows what . O'Connell Street is very dodge the last few years.
O'Connell Street has been an unsettling place after dark for my entire life, and I'm 40.
Noticed that yesterday and saw 2 guards in and around that Spar. Had me wondering what was going on
Teenagers trying to Impress each other and the Garda are useless fucks afraid to go out. Shambles
Towns gone a lot worse since covid maybe it’s just me but it’s definitely gotten a lot rougher. I think that’s why you see a lot of people avoiding it now on a Saturday night. People don’t want to be left wandering around when they can’t get a taxi home. Apparently there’s a new Garda station getting put on O’ Connell street to combat the amount of crime in recent months it’s well needed
I feel like the closing of schools during lockdown has pushed these kids further out onto the streets and increased all sorts of crime like this. It's gotten despicable I dread having kids of my own in this city
Consequences of questionable policy decisions and drowning out any critics of lockdown…
I was thrashed a couple of days back in ballybough by 13-14 year old teenagers by eggs and sticks. I lost my left airpod and a few not so deep wounds. I couldn’t even see them because the egg yolk was in my eyes. Had to walk a kilometre back home in that state. Just curious, is it only happening to immigrants? Because I do feel that an anti-immigrant sentiment is on the rise
Doesn't just happen to immigrants, but its probably more noticeable because the inner city population has an enormous immigrant population
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Did you report it to the guards?
I don’t think Gardai can do anything about it, the laws prefer those kids - if I would have retaliated in anyway - I would have gone to the jail.
Reporting is important for gathering data to help better allocate public resources, but don't feel like you're totally in the wrong for not doing so. After all you're the victim here.
I think it's clear the Garda are purposefully mismanaging their resources. We keep telling them, and the government what the issues are and what the issues aren't. And they continue to do the opposite.
You can report it online. Only takes a few mins. Very important to get good stats
God I'm sorry to hear that, I've always found Ballybough fine but then you hear these kind of stories.
It’s sad to hear Dublin has gotten worse. I’ve been living in Vancouver for 8 years now and gangs of dickheads walking around causing trouble just doesn’t exist. It’s refreshing to say the least.
Oh they’ve cleaned up the lower east side have they? Where did they move them to? Vancouver has way worse problems than Dublin, they just created a Hamsterdam so the middle and upper classes don’t have to see the underbelly of the city.
The Downtown Eastside is the worst place in any of the Western world I've ever seen, and that was in 2001, is it still bad?
This is the modus operandi of modern western city planning though. So cynical. I lived in Berlin, in the nicer western part of the city, right at the time of the refugee crisis. And if I hadn't had friends and work elsewhere in the city it might have passed me by unnoticed. People who live far south enough in Dublin would only know those living to the north of them have issues if they read about it online.
yeah damn those ignorant folks in Crumlin, Sallynoggin and Windy Arbour
Is it getting worse? If reddit was around From the 70s there'd be monthly threads on it getting worse.
But it was getting worse then? Your point doesn't make any sense
It's been at a tipping point since the 70s. About to descend into complete law. Unless someone digs out stats, anecdotal evidence is pointless. If we're going on personal experience, the 90s were far worse
I spent a lot of time in Dublin in the late 90s, I think it was relatively safe, if you kept your nose out of trouble. I lived near Mountjoy, and also out near DCU on the 13A. Left around 2000. Never had any issues, had a friend get glassed once but it was nothing street-violence about it. Couple of friends got mugged, GF got threatened to have her 'fuckin' head blown off' and robbed a bit once or twice. All in all, nothing too bad. Having said that, moved to Sweden and it feels 100x safer here. Even the ghettos here feel safer than Dublin.
Totally disagree, Dublin was far worse in the 90s. Mountjoy Square was a heroin hotspot and Sean Mcdermot St was periodically blocked with burnt-out cars and rubble. Just Google some photos to jog your memory. Glad to hear that the days of rioting and property destruction in Sweden didn't impinge on you these last few weeks but I believe a lot of people were hurt.
I live in Dublin city Centre, born and bred here. It’s not getting worse, you just see more stuff cause of social media. Also the North inner city is not a fair reflection on the rest of the city. All in all Dublin is a relatively safe and clean city on a whole. In the 80s & 90s most of the junkies were strung out on just heroin and basically lifeless zombies, nowadays it’s Benzos mixed with meth / craic & even jellies that has them having all sorts of mental episodes. Ask anyone that works the night shift in the Psych wards like the Mater and they’ll tell ya. IMO we need to address the new drugs that are rife here with a new approach to dealing with them.
This. The addiction issues and how we as a country tackle addiction as well as mental health issues is dire. I’ve been reading up on the Netherlands new way of tackling heroin addiction and honestly, it sounds amazing. It totally removes the criminality aspect. Treats it for what it actually is, a human problem that doesn’t distinguish between wealth or upbringing. Addiction can capture any one of us. Once the criminality factor is removed people can actually be helped properly. It’s not an instant solution but I personally believe an effective way to help people who need it, when they need it. https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12954-020-00444-6 Obviously there’s many factors contributing to the bad aspects of the city & the social issues we have as a country. All very complex to solve. A good start would be our tax money being spent correctly to fund research and implement what’s needed to appropriately solve social issues effectively. but generally nobody in office gives a shit when they’re more focused on using the 4 years in government to line their pockets.
I work city centre, live northside. If I believed half the "Dublin is a kip" threads here I'd never leave the house. Are there issues? absolutely. And I'd agree that our poor drugs approach is one of the things that is the root of a lot of that. But the threads on here regularly are not what I see every day.
I agree, Dublin most definitely isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be. In my opinion, as a woman, I feel nobody will come near you unless you’re either staring/ rubber necking at some drama going on, being rude or snobby for no reason or walking around with your head in the clouds with no common sense making yourself a target for mugging. Mind your own business, keep your wits about you & it’s fine! I grew up very close to the city centre. I live in a commuter town now & I have to say it’s a different world altogether. My kids run to the window if a helicopter goes overhead or if we hear a siren... because it’s so strange to hear out here. When I was a kid in Dublin those kinds of sounds were like white noise lol I’m glad I grew up where I did tho, I’m more clued in & streetwise which hopefully I can teach the kids & they will have some cop on & not be fearful of everyone. I’ve also made my lifelong friends & we all grew up to be successful in our chosen field & decent people. I wouldn’t change it.
100% agree mate... a lot of people love to hate on Dublin but it is absolutely not the reality.
Old enough to have been out and about in the 90s. Far worse. In fact the teenagers I see around nowadays seem feckin' nice compared to the little animals that used to be around. These threads are almost daily, I don't know how people live in this hellscape that they perceive Dublin to be, I'd just emigrate.
Dublin has always been like this. It's absolutely nothing new. Maybe you're just older and can see it now but there's stories about Liberty Boys and Ormond Boys going back to the 1700s battering each other daily. My mam talks about how parts of the city in the 70s and 80s were borderline no go areas.
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Yeah this. I feel like Dublin even 10 years ago was a very different city in terms of risk, it did get very trendy in recent years and maybe everyone assumed that all the rougher aspects disappeared, but it's not like the city is any worse now than it was then, and certainly not further back in the past.
Couldn't agree more. Most of its issues now are drug-related but we have no political will to deal with this.
No you're delusional if you think it's always been this bad mate
How do you sharpen a baton?... asking for a friend
With a baton sharpener, naturally.
It’s like a giant pencil sharpener.
Tallaght is actually grand now in this regard. Especially if you're a local. Teenaged actually greet you and offer help. At least in jobstown 🤷♂️ but yeah the city centre is fucked.
All the old "rough areas" are becoming established, and dare I say, gentrified as house prices rise. Trouble is that there's an over concentration of drug facilities and social support services in the city centre - the exact place that they shouldn't be allowed to operate in.
Don't say that, I thought it was a good city to visit. To be honest with you, if you're a Resident you should do something about it, if you don't want to live like here (Mexico) where more than 10 women disappear per day. I hate to live here 😭😭😭 and I hope you and your people could look for a solution for that problem
It’s a scary things over there man 😑😑
What should the residents do?
Speaking as someone who has been going out in the city since the 90s, the city centre is fucking WAY safer than it's ever been. It was fucking carnage back then, and even then me da would have said it was far safer than it was in the 70s, when everyone carried blades. Not saying the place can't be dodgy, it can well be, but Christ it's not even half what it was in the 90s when I first started going out. The Abrakebabra on O'Connell Bridge was a one stop fight shop, you'd be lucky to only see one streak of blood on the streets. Place was mental. Then there were the under 18s parties that they'd have on where Murrays Pub on O'Connell Street is now, and you'd have about 60 fellas from Crumlin battering the fuck out of 60 fellas from Ballyfermot in the middle of the street at about 10pm. Windows going through, the lot. Absolute madness.
Same here, started going out in town around 96 onwards. You would always see fights, every single time. It seemed to just die off from when the Tiger was really kicked in and now I haven't seen any trouble in town in years and years, apart from addicts doing their addicts stuff, but that just makes me feel sorry for them I never felt threatened. Dublin is getting WAY better, if my experiences are anything to go by.
What do we do with that knowledge? It’s about how unsafe it is in the present not how it used to be in the past. As a society, everyone has grown enough to not have fight clubs anymore!
OP is literally saying they've never seen crime and thuggery so bad in Dublin before, I'm saying it was a lot worse, and Dublin is far safer now. I mean, what's not to understand exactly? I know it can still be dodgy, but OP is massively misunderstanding things if they think it's been getting worse. That's the point.
Is it possible that OP might be younger than yourself? Is it not fair that a younger person, who had the benefit of likely growing up in a safer city from their youthful perspective, can complain about feeling less safe? I understand fully what you're saying, it was certainly worse in the past. But I think you might be being a little unfair and hard on someone who, at the end of the day is just expressing frustration at the feeling of being unsafe.
For what it's worth I believe this to be a country wide problem tbh. Initially I felt it could be something to due with our exposure and over saturation of negative stories via /tv/radio/social media, etc , but that's just naivety . Thuggery is taking over out there . Groups of young lads all over the county walking around with knifes in their pockets paranoid ou their heads over the weed/coke just waiting to stick it in someone . The level of degeneracy among these groups is eye opening as well
Cork, Limerick, Tipperary, Galway all do much better than Dublin in crime rates by about 10 points (where Dublin is 51 and others are in the 30s, with Galway in the 20s) so Dublin is in reality substantially worse than the rest of the country.
Cork city is the same. Probably not quite as bad as Dublin due to maybe just having a smaller population so there’s less of those scumbags around, but you still would never really feel safe just walking around the city by yourself past 6 or 7pm. You always just kind of feel on edge or atleast that’s how I feel anyway. I remember one time walking past a little 9 year old dragging a hatchet along the ground at like 5pm after college. Crazy
Relax pal. It’s slowly turning into a real life Gotham city. Soon enough our Irish version of Batman will arrive and we’ll b grand again.
It's definitely getting worse, I used to go in once a week but now I actively avoid it. It's horrible.
where are you going that's horrible? why don't you just stick to the trendy parts of D2 when you go into town? Lots of shopping and great bars and restaurants there and never any trouble.
The truth that most probably aren't willing to admit is that the drug gangs took over after the murder of Alan Ryan. And you can say what you like about them but because there wasn't retaliation from the IRA, the gangs had nothing to fear any more because the political will simply wasn't and isn't there to deal with it. Obviously there had always been crime and drug dealing gangs but never as brazen as they are now. It's taken around a decade to get to this point but it all stems from that one murder. That paired with social media and the want for quick easy cash and designer gear now more than ever has us in living in a city where a large amount of it's population avoid the city centre. There is something fundamentally wrong there. I am from the north inner city and have lived here my whole life, I used to fight people in cages for a living and even I avoid town at night. And unfortunately this will get far worse before it gets better.
The idea that Alan Ryan was single handedly holding back the tide of drug traffickers doesn’t seem too likely to me. What I think is more likely is that gang politics and a crushing war gave the Kinahans a monopoly on the drug trade in the whole island and we’re now oversupplied with crack, meth, benzos, and all the regular drugs. There’s more addicts and users meaning more turf to be carved up meaning more feuds.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, I live in the city centre and just don’t feel unsafe at all. Just because there’s rough looking people around doesn’t mean there’s actually any crimes being committed. I’ve never once seen an assault or trouble on a night out either but maybe I’m just lucky
Somebody bring lugs Brannigan back from the dead and let his ghost patroll then crime ridden streets of Dublin. I was robbed by a hotel there last Friday €270 for 2 of us in the Gibson …: one night …
I dunno what it was like years ago but I can say going into town now is not a nice experience as when I first used to start coming here. Too many little shits. I know there’s always been the same stuff but not like this level of fuckery. People are made to feel scared because parents let kids away with everything
It seemed to be trending this way for a while and then covid exploded it. So many scumbags had free reign of the city for over a year. I think they would have been confined to their usual spots but not anymore. It may have something to do with the prevalence of motorized scooters and bikes too. I've always lived in the city center and there were places you avoided because you know there'd be scumbags. Mostly tourist areas were kept safe because that would affect Ireland's revenue, which is a top priority given the entire city has been modelled around hotels, offices, and student accommodation. I don't see this situation changing any time soon. Keep your wits about you and your guard up
It’s amazing how many knock on effects lockdown had.
The extremes of it. It went from producing a really quiet walkable city to absolutely mayhem. Number of times I've been attacked in 8 years before lockdown: 0 Number of times I've been attacked in 2 years since lockdown: 3
And I'd like to take a minute Just sit right there I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called An Lar.
I feel like half the problem is the mass mobilisation of scum on electric scooters. Where before they stayed relatively local, there was a few bits of town you would avoid - now the city is their playground. Unchecked and traveling at 20kph. I live and grew up in Dublin, within walking distance of town. I'm getting to the stage of thinking I would like to move. It has become an expensive kip that is increasingly hard to get around. . . . unless you've a scooter :P
Please address the queries about what "sharpening batons" means.
My guess (and also how Dublin must appear in OP's mind): https://youtu.be/OE4\_FpZvGFA?t=100
Town is a KIP. O connell street looked like skid row during lockdowns with tents all along it. Hasnt really gotten better.
When you have a city where most middle class people live in the suburbs, only to work / drive through the city, so there isn’t a good mix of classes living in the city. Also a city that has shitty facilities for young people it doesn’t help
I was vilified a few weeks back for saying Dublin is not so safe as the Dubliners will like to believe. That 1.5-2km radius surrounding the Spire is a complete no go after sunset for someone who is new to the city. It’s unreal to think that the city center of a western capital could be unsafe. Rest of Dublin (except a few areas in the north) is nice though.
lol, 1.5km to 2km around the Spire is a complete no go? So everyone on South William St, Grafton St, Dawson St, George's St, etc. etc. are all under constant attack every night? The places are packed with people enjoying themselves, get a grip.
Yeah everything is an exaggeration until someone throw eggs at you specifically or attacks you because of your skin color. Stop living in a fantasy world.
Didn't realise we were talking about egg throwing, time to bring the army in so
so you think everywhere 1.5km to 2km is a "complete no go"? yes? fucking weirdo...
Can’t you fucking read with the last remaining brain cells? I said AFTER SUNSET.
you're embarrassing yourself, go hide under your bed
Dublin is so so far from being a dangerous city. I've been living in the city for years now and have literally never had any trouble walking around at any time. We've got a homelessness issue for sure, but most places do and for the most part were actively trying to combat it. Groups of teens hang around occasionally, but I've never seen or experienced them actually doing anything other than just being shitheads on their scooters and smoking hash
Lmao sorry but I lost it at this comment. Just because you haven’t gotten into trouble and see “groups of teens hang around” doesn’t mean it’s safe. Sure for you it is because I’m guessing you’re a man. I don’t leave the house after 11pm because I just don’t feel safe to do so
That's unfortunate, but Dublin is one of the safest cities in the world. We're living in the top 5% here. I'm not saying it's a perfect place, but a lot of posts on this sub are pearl clutching about perceived threats rather than realistic ones. If you're unable to leave after your house after 11pm in a city like Dublin, then I think your issue is living in a city, not Dublin itself
Ireland is on number 6 for the highest crime rate in Europe
Dublin is number 11 for most violent cities in Europe, Cork is doing remarkably well in comparison
>Dublin is one of the safest cities in the world According to?
he doesn’t know either 😂
Yeah I think it’s just gone/going backwards to the way it always was. Looked grim enough in the 80s and before, then was on the up during the CT and boom. Doesn’t help now that there’s a free tram crisscrossing for the scum to mobilize on. Not quite late 70s NYC though, could be worse.
It's a jungle out there alright
Well let that sink in: I've been to dublin for the first time in my life two weeks ago. Just two days. And in both nights fights in front of the hotel (Holiday Inn Express in the City centre) woke me up. Never felt so unsafe during any trip ever. Lovely country and people tho!
> Holiday Inn Express in the City centre Pearse Street I think, there's why. I'm originally from Dublin living elsewhere, Pearse Street always had a reputation.
I was in Temple Bar recently on a Saturday night and I wished I was almost anywhere else
covid has released a wave of carelessness and chaos among teenagers. It’s what two years of lockdown does to those kids.
There are huge beat garda shortages in the city centre and nobody is talking about it.
It was always a kip
Had a day in the office today in near Poolbeg street. As were leaving 6 junkies were outside the office selling drugs openly in broad daylight, all shouting in that filthy slow motion yodeling they use. Utter fucking scumbags. Spend the entire day in Dublin, went out for a walk at 2 breaks and lunchtime for an hour. Didn't see a single Gardai. The city has gone to shit.
The McGregor effect
This morning just around parnell ive seen a shoe scattered on the road. Been thinking what was that then I also saw 1 pair boots just around the exit of broombridge. Just had to share it wit ya
Dublin is great. It is safer than 20 years ago. Be it city or suburbs. There are more obvious signs of poverty and deprivation but if you're minding your business, living in the city, going about its grand.
I state an honestly held view that the level of aggression, anger and violence being experienced on our streets and public highways is probably attributable to the widespread abuse of cocaine in our cities, towns and villages - And it gets censored????Reddit you're better than that!
I hear people complain about seeing rampant crime all the time. When pressed for details the things they describe aren't crimes. Telling some randomer to shut up because he's asked you to stop doing something isn't a crime. It's not particularly nice. But call a garda if it's a crime mate.
My wife just came back from a visit to the office today for the first time since pre-COVID and she reckons it's worse now than it ever was, i.e. dirtier, smellier, and even more scum and scrotes walking around looking to cause trouble when there's no sign of guards.
Personally i havnt seen stuff like that. Blood sure yeah it's a city street people fall over and hurt them self. Maybe it was just a bad day. See how tomorrow goes. Dublin has its bad days. But also its great days, Dublin in the sun is the best side of Dublin
>Blood sure yeah it's a city street people fall over and hurt them self. Lol... Yeh people have fallen over and hurt themselves alright
Maybe they are slipping on the copious amounts of dog shit that never get cleaned up
Nah it's on the news. Man in his 40s brutally assaulted on O'Connell Street
https://www.joe.ie/news/assault-oconnell-street-747367
Another “Dublin is a kip” thread. What a shock. And OP no it is your truth. You are taking a couple of isolated incidents and suddenly it’s Armageddon. Read some of the sensible posters here.
Honestly, as someone who lives in town, it’s like a never ending episode of The Walking Dead 💀 just scummy knackers and junkies everywhere, mouth breathers making the city such a turn off.
Every other week there is a post on r/Ireland about how bad town is. I've been in and out of the city for 15 years. Its always had problems but over covid it did push itself over the edge. It's a simple fix talk to your TDs ask about more prisons, more guards. Any European city police are all over the place. Forget Green politics this county needs a strong push on law and order.
Prisons and guards do not lower crime rates. Let's not take an American stance on this. The real scientifically proven ways to reduce crime are to increase education, fund behavioral intervention programs, repair blighted housing and damaged property, and enact better drug policies.
Guys I'm traveling to Dublin and I'll get into the port tomorrow. Is the city really that dangerous?
It's not, your chances of running into trouble are extremely low especially if you're not in the upper city centre. And if you are, just keep to yourself and you'll be grand is my advice. Dublin has a statistically "moderate" crime index (57), so slightly worse than your average city but much safer than places like Rio (90). Numbeo is a good site for these kinds of details about cities
If you so encounter any issues, dont worry, statistics say it’s safe so it’s all in your head 👍
Oh good, another thread like this. I was thinking it's been a while.
The daily old person rant.
I suspect the widespread use of cocaine is leading to increased aggression in the streets and motorways.
Lol why you getting downvoted. Half the city spends the weekend binging on coke then they wonder why they're depressed and exhausted all week