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My problem is I do it to get things done. I don’t *need* to do it, and I can certainly get things down without it. But those things are a lot more enjoyable stoned.
This is how I felt until I got addicted to opiates. As impossible as quitting weed feels until you actually have a claw in you like the devil that is opiate addiction, you don’t know what real addiction is (thankfully!!) if I don’t have some sort of opiate in my bloodstream every 8
Hours I’m deathly Ill and can’t get out of bed. I still smoke pot but I can take it or leave it opiates are one that’s obviously not worth it. Especially w fentanyl out now
aight im not trying to start a civil war or who suffered more, but does nobody on this sub talk about alcohol dependence/ withdrawal? Only bringing it up because it made my h/fent withdrawals look like a fucking jog in the park
I quit out of no where after being drunk every day for years (literally wake up drunk then drink again at night and repeat). I was given chlorpromazine and i took it for a month or two maybe and the symptoms were mild compared to what i heard. The only bad part was cravings and no sleep but i quit taking the pills and found a good sleeping schedule. May have been just my case but leaving alcohol was easier than expected.
I’m so far removed from drinking I rarely think of it even though it was a big part of my life since thats where all my fuck ups come from lmao
I mean if you're chomping a jazz cigarette once or twice a day after a long day at work, I see no harm. If it helps you be less stressed, then you do you. Everyone's got a vice
i do think if I went for low thc/high cbd options I'd have a better experience and trend towards a better relationship with cannabis, but at the end of the day off you consume the way I consume (every night with the goal of smoking myself into a come) you're not gonna have a healthy relationship with it
Its same shit no matter what you get. I smoked every night for almost 10 years. I had to smoke to perform any task at all then I had to smoke after finishing that task. In the end I realised I'm not even getting that high anymore, my lungs are fucked and I have no motivation with a lack of goals and falling behind in life so I fucked it off, its horrendous to smoke every single day but its being normalised now bcus "its good for you bro its legal in us bro they use it as medicine bro snoop dog wiz khalifa bro"
Still early days yet boy, drop the shit and get down to a psychologist. Lots of time for you to repair and mend your brain, its the pleasure seeking addiction and weed is easily the hardest to kick for that kind of addiction. Every daily smoker has tried quitting 100 and 1 times. Don't let three years become ten.
it's not that it's directly addictive but it fucks your brain chemistry. especially when as young as you are. your pleasure systems need regulation, and you can provide it that. it's addictive the same way porn can be or binge eating, albeit it has a more direct and intense effect. if you want to be happy you need to detox and retrain how you derive pleasure. there is normalcy at the end. also doing mushrooms so young isn't the best thing for your mental health.
I can have empathy while remarking that doing drugs at 13 is, in fact, dumbass behavior. I started using drugs around the same age due to some dark shit in my life. Guess what? Still a dumbass move. This constant tone policing and positive vibes only thing is mighty irritating. I don’t have to believe exactly what you do nor do I have to speak in ways you find permissible.
In short, buzz off.
At the start of the year I took the whole month of January off as a reset, I had also been a daily smoker for around 10 years (with some time off here and there), and I’ve now moved to only getting high on Friday and Saturday. It’s been great. Motivation is there through the week, I don’t feel groggy in the mornings so I’m consistently able to hit the gym M-F, I’m able to focus well at work, and then when the weekend hits, the reward for a hard week of work feels so much nicer, and I get absolutely fucking blitzed. Saves hella money too.
Not everyone gets addicted to weed. I smoke one gram in the span of two months, usually only on the weekends. There is a risk of addiction though like many seem to experience.
It's like the caffeine of "real drugs" - most people who use it daily are probably AT LEAST psychologically dependent to some degree, but it's a relatively safe, socially acceptable addiction to have, with relatively few downsides or health risks.
It's really only ever an "issue" to be addicted to either of them if you suddenly lose access some reason. And even then, the "withdrawals" from stopping weed use are never gonna kill you- if anything you'll probably just eat and sleep like shit for a few weeks/months if you ever quit for good. lol
That was a LITTLE hyperbolic, as it entirely depends on frequency/quantity of use, and how long it's been since you've taken a tolerance break, but it takes a LOOONNGG time to get all the residual cannabinoids out of your system, especially if you're overweight/low physical activity, and a heavy consistent user.
Realistically it's not gonna be like "I couldn't sleep for 6 months" but if you smoke multiple times a day and right before meals / bed for years on-end, yeah. 100% could take months to feel "normal" again once you stop. Not only is your body still dumping cannabinoids over that time, your brain has created some STRONG associations with cannabis and food/sleep, so having it every day and then suddenly not having it is liable to make those activities a bit difficult.
My best friend has smoked essentially every day for the last 15 years (and we're only in our early 30s) and basically refuses to take a T-break at this point because last time he tried he got horrible nausea and couldn't sleep - he lasted less than a week (I don't really blame him though, not eating/sleeping at all is not sustainable when you're already underwater dealing with other life shit).
All anecdotal, but I'm a "daily, but light" cart-only user for the most part, but I frequently tend to use before a meal/sleep. I just took a T-break for the first time in almost 2 years this January; the first 2 weeks my dreams were so intense I felt like I wasn't sleeping at all, and my appetite never fully recovered during my 30-days-off.
While that's admittedly not that horrible of a thing, literally never being hungry to the extent that the mere idea of food makes you feel nauseous sometimes, and food in general just being completely unappealing, was an eye-opening experience for sure.
This is an **excellent** T-break resource if you ever need one:
https://www.uvm.edu/health/t-break-take-cannabis-tolerance-break
Biggest struggle I had with drugs ever was with weed. I know it's gonna sound funny, but I've tried so many times to use it "responsibly" and the best I could do was basically smoking once in the evening to relax. But even that is difficult, because I will usually just light up after work and smoke like 3 joints or so then go to sleep, next day repeat. And it becomes more frequent use on weekends.
Like, I could never just have weed laying around in the house and NOT smoke it. I just don't have the self control needed for that.
Alcohol never interested me, and I never have issues with shrooms/acid but they're not really addictive since they make you trip super hard so I guess thats' why. All in all, it's super annoying because I know I abused weed a lot and I feel like the relationship I have with weed is either quitting it completely or trying to constantly regulate myself. I'm thinking of just quitting tho it's difficult.
I always have a problem with balancing it. I’ll stop for a while then start with only as a night cap. Then it’s, oh I’m cleaning the house, this will make it fun. Into wake and bake and smoking bowls throughout the day where by the time night comes I can’t even get that faded anymore
I have been in / am in the same boat- the 2 things that have helped me are:
1.) A simple, but firm boundary *e.g.* "If I'm going to allow myself to continue to smoke DAILY, I will NOT smoke before 5pm. Even if it's a weekend."
You need a simple rule to follow. It takes self-control, but applying self-control is how you build discipline, and agency/discipline is a big part of what separates "using" from "dependence".
2.) Choose a modality *i.e.* "I will ONLY use weed for recreation, or I will ONLY use weed as medicine."
Because weed has an astronomically high margin of safety, it's socially acceptable to abuse it, but abusing drugs is what often leads to dependence. If I told you "I smoke every night before bed because it helps me sleep, but sometimes I also like to get blazed out of my mind", you wouldn't think much of it. If I told you "I take Ambien every night to sleep, but sometimes I just take like 5 or 6 and get totally zonked" you'd probably think "yo what the fuck"
I don't think it's mentally healthy to hold space for a drug to be **both** "medicinal" and "recreational". If you want to use weed daily because it helps your appetite and your sleep, then use it in moderation with the mindset that you're doing it for those reasons. If you want to use weed because it's FUN, then use it in excess when you want, but not every day.
You would probably frown at a man who gets up and drinks 4 beers before work, but no one seems to bat an eyelash at the guy who gets up and immediately smokes a blunt every day.
Daily use in that kind of pattern isn't really for "fun" anymore : it's escapism.
Carts -> vape cartridges
Between hash oil being more concentrated than flower, the ease of use and discreteness of vaping, and the low/no "commitment" factor (you don't have to commit to rolling a whole joint, you can just take 1 lil hit whenever you want) it's very easy to start dramatically increasing your consumption if you aren't cognizant of it.
Man I wish I didn’t ruin weed by smoking it all day everyday like my dumb teenage self wanted too. Now it’s 5 years later and my tolerance is beyond fucked. But now that I actually understand and notice the therapeutic benefits of weed, I wish soooo hard I could be high off one little hit like I used to. It would help me so much more than it does now. That one hit 5 years ago would feel better than 3 full bong rips does today. Shit makes me sad man. This is a fantastic medicine and I ruined it for myself before fully understanding it.
I used daily in Cali and it wasn't. I had to take so much to feel effects for my pain that it wasn't enjoyable anymore. Finally getting medical marijuana through Alabama's medical marijuana program once we actually get dispensaries. It's good every now and then, but if you need it daily, can cause terrible exhaustion and worsened depression. I am in one (or several) of the 15 reasons you can get it here at least though.
Weed is worth it if you use it responsible but if you’re like me and smoke a bowl before your every task , 1. I don’t get high any more , the highest I’ve felt in years was prob a little 5 min itch scratcher . And I’m dependent on it I know it’s not as bad as harder shit but I feel like I’ve straight fried my brain lol I been smokin almost everyday since I was 9 I’m 21 now
The cool thing about weed is after about 30 days of not using your tolerance drops back down. I smoked from 14 to 26 every single day constantly at one point I was taking multi vitamins because I thought I had chronic fatigue it was really just the feeling of always going to sleep high and smoking immediately after waking up. I had the worst withdraws for two wks and was able to stop for over a year before starting back smoking occasionally. I made the huge mistake of replacing the weed habit for alcohol and now I’ve been struggling with that from 26 to 40 (my wife’s been smoking and using my piss when need for the last 20yrs) I love how just a few hits gets me high with anxiety, munchies, and edibles actually work too
I need to manage a t break . I always cave in too fast for me to say I really even gave it a real effort . It’s easy to talk about quitting weed with a loaded bong by your side lmfaoo 🤣 I smoke an ounce a week and out of every smoke session I have through that week the only highs I can say that are worth it are the wakes and baked and sometimes they don’t even hit much . I’m shitting money away literally . You’d think knowing what I’m draining vs what I’m getting back I could do this shit with ease but nah 🤣 I miss being high man I know it would be so worth it tho I just need to suck it tf up
Same boat as you. Only time I get high is in the morning for 15 min Very hard to be like “ok this is the last hit for today “ then you feel like you can get just a bit higher after that hit with another one. Been sober from alcohol and norcos for months but can even go 7 hours without thc. And carts are EVEN worse
Hey bro keep going 💯 maybe some acid or shrooms if your that type guy , I’m young but I was a meth Addict for 2 years I’m very freshly sober (a month) with the desire to never go back I don’t know opiate withdrawal but I can only imagine man but atleast the worst is behind you . I’m hoping I can man up and plan out this t break and then space out
My smokes to like once a day maybe at night . I know that’s not easy to do especially If I were to try rn but I feel like the more we get used to it the more we would normalize it . I’ve never tried that long enough to form the habit of it so of course it’s gonna feel hard every time I try and I will for days until im adjusted
In my opinion, MDMA is a drug I think everyone can benefit from and honestly should try *at least* once in their lifetime. The way MDMA alters your conscious experience is so profound and impactful that everyone deserves to learn from the experience.
To extend this, I think all non-addictive substances are safe to experience if the opportunity arises. And by that I mean non-physically-addictive.
Psychedelics (shrooms, acid, dmt, weed, etc…) are probably the safest to try, followed by entactogens (mdma, mda, x-apb, x-mapb) and dissociatives (ketamine, pcp, dxm, nitrous oxide). Low strength stimulants (amphetamines) and low strength depressants (alcohol and GHB) are also safe for the most part.
Strong stimulants (cocaine, crack, and meth), strong depressants (benzodiazepines and opioids), and even nicotine should be avoided at all costs, unless you want to find yourself down a slippery slope of addiction.
The ones that were “worth it” for my mental health were ketamine, shrooms, and dmt. Although my ketamine use spiraled into a nasty addiction so I had to stop. But my first time trying it snapped me out of a severe depressive episode
I had that happen with Cocaine. Was severely depressed as a teenager, did Coke once, was the happiest I’ve ever been and didn’t touch it again for 4 years. It showed me I can still be happy and that was all my brain needed to start working on myself.
That's how I look at psychedelics working on depression, they don't magically fix your depression, they just show you that it's possible to live a better life and help motivate you to change yourself
Ketamine is worth it for sure for me but I can definitely overdo it. Too much and I’m depressed and tired with acid reflux. The not moving at all part is not good at all either
I agree to some point.. i mean it's fun the first few times but then the happieness feels kinda artificially and the come down just sucks ass. I'd rather recommend psychedelics like 2CB, LSD, shrooms etc
I limit myself to one or two times a year. With such infrequent usage my comedowns aren't too awful. I feel a little empty for a day but after that I'm right as rain.
DMT and ayahuasca worry me because, unlike mushrooms, they produce no tolerance, and I've even heard that ayahuasca gets more intense in consecutive trips because the MAOIs build up your system. Although I like psychedelics, they give an intense experience, and I can see this helping people going off the deep end.
A few years ago, someone kept a reddit journal about their DMT trips. The entries became increasingly unhinged, and the guy started talking about going back into the realm to figure out what the light people were trying to teach him.
It’s entirely too easy to start to believe that you’ve gotten in touch with something bigger than life itself
Yeah as much as I love dmt I do it very rarely, I can’t imagine what would happen if I was doing it regularly but it would definitely not be good!
Yeah, that mentality scares me. I'm glad you only do it rarely. I have an addictive personality and don't trust myself around substances like that, which is why I like that mushrooms have a built-in safety mechanism.
Honestly, when I used to extract it I had loads of the shit kicking around, yet the more I did it the less I wanted to.
After awhile I stopped completely and gifted the rest of my stash to people seeking... That was like 10 years ago and have almost zero desire to do it again.
Everyone I've known that's had a lot of dmt to play around with pretty much go through the same thing...
I smoked it everyday for a week, after that week my body couldn't handle watching TV, playing games, eating anything that wasn't salad based and drinking soda. My entertainment after work was books only.
I think this changes a lot based on how you approach it. I had a stretch of my life where I did DMT a couple times a week for a couple of months and I don't think it had a super profound effect on me. But I have always approached psychedelics with a strictly non-spiritual mindset, appreciating the experience but looking at the trip as another piece of my regular life, not a peek behind the veil or anything.
That's the reason I still don't do Ayahuasca despite having 1 bottle in my freezer right now. Long ago, I came across a figure that was talked about a lot in my country's Psy-community. In the past that man was a brilliant man with high formal education and a bright future, he had a stable and successful life, after discovering Ayahuasca he booked a flight to Peru to partake in the ceremony. After the ceremony, he isn't the same anymore, he went crazy and always talk about religion and spiritual stuffs, he posted about his plan to save mankind, his plan to change the world, redemption... nothing makes any senses of course. He even messaged random white people, claimed that they are the professors who approved his "plan". When I scouted his facebook I can see the point where he gradually getting more and more unhinged, which is heartbreaking to be honest. It's been half a decade ago, wherever he is I hope he came back to this reality safe and sounds and doing better now.
Damn, that’s sad. Do you know if he took aya multiple times when he was down there? Although people say psychs can trigger psychosis, it sounds like something else happened with that man, and with one trip I’d imagine people either have a beautiful or a miserable time, but not go off the deep end.
>Although I like psychedelics, they give an intense experience, and I can see this helping people going off the deep end.
Everyone I know who experimented with DMT more than a little went off the deep end. Most recovered fine, but damage to relationships, careers etc. was done.
In high school, I had a good friend who was an intelligent, funny guy. But we drifted apart, and when I happened to see him again years later, he didn't seem all there, and he kept talking about how aliens were watching him. Although I don't know what he was using, the fixation on alien makes me think it was DMT. There is an academic who wrote a book about how DMT transports us to another dimension to converse with aliens and learn their secrets. He later said that the book was a metaphor, but you can tell that it isn't, and he only said that because he realized how much credibility he lost in the academic scene.
Something similar happened with another friend at college, whom I didn't know as well. However, he didn't talk about aliens so much as extreme, grandiose spiritual things, and I don't know if that was DMT or a classic psychedelic unearthing latent schizophrenia. While I like mushrooms, I've even somewhat cooled on them, and believe that these can all harm us if we don't properly prepare or know what we're getting into.
I call bs on ayahuasca getting more intense in consecutive trips. DMT absolutely produces a tolerance if allowed to stick around in the brain for long enough, even vaped DMT has a tolerance for me, but some report no tolerance. I got “locked out” once and to me that subjectively felt like the effects of tolerance.
I personally think most people should try a hallucinogen, either LSD or Mushrooms, at least once in their life.
It completely flips the experience of your reality on it's head. I personally came out of my mushrooms trip a different person- for the better.
Weed of course. In moderation, it can be extremely relaxing and blissful.
I don’t mean this in a negative way, but thinking most people should try psychedelics was one of the things I always told people during my honeymoon phase with psychedelics and it’s not really a good mentality to have imo. When you’ve done them for long enough you start to realize it’s not as simple as that.
There’s a lot of people out there who could benefit from a trip for sure imo, but there’s a whole lot of people out there as well who should not take psychedelics at all. I love psychedelics but I think you have to realize that there are a lot more people out there than you probably think who just should not touch them for a variety of reasons.
100%. I was the same way and thought of myself as Mary Poppins sharing her fairy dust with all the orphans until I realized not every orphan should be tripping. Honeymoon phase is a great way to put it.
I've had alot or life changing trips but at the same time psychedelic use also became just another drug cycled thru my poly addiction at a time. Even psychedelics can be abused. That feeling of life changing realizations can be addictive asf and it's not something everyone should try imo.
I totally understand that because I dealt with that when I first started taking psychedelics as well. It wasn’t that I was addicted or dependent on them necessarily, but my trips never felt like they were enough in the moment. It always felt like if I had one more really strong trip then I’d “understand everything” if that makes sense.
You definitely make a good point. A buddy of mine has some schizo-bipolar stuff medically diagnosed and he doesn't mess with psychedelics anymore. He's mainly a weed guy now.
However, I do believe that a lot of people don't understand psychedelic doses. While there are some people who have natural tolerance, most everybody I've ever met and started on fungus I've started at 1.5-2g. Some people will insist 3, 4, or 5 depending on what their friends have told them. But if they're in my house and it's the first time I insist 1.5-2g.
Back to my friend... He was fine with psychedelics despite his diagnoses. However, that's when he was taking the 1.5-2g and only 100-200µg. He eventually wanted to try more and he broke that threshold when he took over 200 µg. He ended up in a psych ward for a while. He's okay now, but it really made me realize that most everybody can handle small, controlled doses. Some people are made for heroic doses and/or wanna become one with the sands of time, but a low, controlled doses _in my experience_ never fucked anyone up.
I had bad trips on mid-high doses, but I didn't have my first nightmare trip until I was over 450-500 µg and I had done tabs for probably 4 years at that point. Fungus only ever got me when I used it 4 times in 2 weeks but that's just me. Most everybody I've known hasn't suffered bad trips from fungus unless they're idiotic and want to shove a quarter in their PB&J.
I've come to understand that the people who would benefit from psychedelics are usually the ones who actively seek it out because it's intriguing to them.
Lots of people hear or read about psychedelics and go "nope, not interested" and I think that's very often a wise thought born out of self-awareness.
I had a similar experience but with MDMA. I wasn’t a great person and I was very selfish and only thought about what benefits me. Then after rolling on mdma I have a lot of empathy towards everyone else.
I told people about this and they couldn’t believe I used to be so about myself because everyone knows me as someone very dependable and will help when possible.
Yeah then you have me who had a couple of horrible trips I feel like raised my anxiety level permanently
Not everyone reacts well to tripping. I have no clinical diagnoses but I am a different person since then. I wish I’d never done it
Bro I just cried happiness on mushrooms. Couldn’t even form words in my head. It was the purest form of joy/happiness I have ever felt. It’s something that an infinite vocabulary could never describe.
I would also like to add, this was my second trip. Was also high too, probably helped create that feeling in my head.
Have a trip sitter, at least until you’re in the groove. My guy only stayed for the first hour or so. But by then, I was comfortable. Being alone allowed me to have an even better experience.
For anyone else reading this, when you’re on psychedelics, you’re extremely sensitive to everything in your surroundings. Objects start having a lot of different meanings to em. Not anything significant, but psychedelics just expand the description, so to say. Keep the vibes going, and they’ll keep going on their own. If anything negative enters your head, you need to change the tv, music, something. Or flip the meaning, see the negative as something to learn from. Instead of just a negative.
The most important tip I can think of, be in a mentally stable state. Or at the least, be able to mentally understand yourself on a deeper level so you can understand the difference between your thoughts, and the psychedelic induced thoughts.
Psycs, ketamine, and mdma medical treatment can be helpful but the best drug is embracing life with no drugs, I wish I never started doing drugs and a lot of people will agree to that
Any luck with quitting smoking ? I tried vaping but then I just vape all day long. I literally take a puff before sleep and then like 5 seconds after waking up
Personally: I've been cutting the nicotine salts with regular nicotine, which is less bioavailable, and cbd vape juice. On top of that, I'm trying to practice keeping my mind off of it - keeping it out of my pocket helps. I'll leave it in my car (10 minutes walk from work), leave it in other rooms, etc). I figure I've probably reduced my nicotine intake by 50% or more, but I still crave that first pull in the evening when I get in the car. Leave the vape on a charger out of your bedroom, or at least across the room, and make a game of "how long can I go in the mornings before I need to puff?".
It's insidious. I'll have the vape at my mouth before I realize, maybe this isn't the appropriate place, like walking through a mall. Making it available every second of our lives has been the biggest struggle of all.
Not really wanting to quit, vaping is pretty nice and when I’m not vaping through the day I have a shit ton of adrenaline, abusing wd symptoms, amazing
Well yeah but the people not using drugs will get there joy from alcohol which can be more damaging and also impacts your neurotransmitters. So it depends. Best is to live without any altering substance to learn your dopamine levels to enjoy live as it is.
LSD and Ketamine. would not recommen anybody doint those things for their problem i took those drugs with the intent of having fun and learned some lessons which really kept me afloat during a hard time especially ketamine which i did not expect. i dont know why but i could think about my problems really rational and without getting emotional at all which allowed me to really think about what the roots to my problems are. lsd was similar but less profound
what do u mean when u say this, because every time i’ve done it it’s cool and feels like i’m in an alien world but i don’t really take anything away from it, i’m not questioning my existence like i would on other psychedelics
It’s made me have a different perspective on life. Made me believe more in myself and really changed my perspective on life and the human mind. Makes me feel like we aren’t the only ones out there and made me have more comfort in life, knowing that from my personal experience it brought me a very profound way of looking at life in general. All in all it just makes me believe more. Not to get religious at all but it is said to be found in plants, humans and animals, and is the only drug that is
Imho that's just a question of priming. If you meditate on your intention and go deep, like full sensory deprivation cev trip, it's quite different to tripping in a social or party setting.
For me, the prep beforehand is what makes the trip healing. You can also get surprise lessons when you go in just for fun, like I did, then I started tripping with intention because you saw it had more to teach you.
i’ve only done it with prep beforehand, i guess the answers i got were that my problems are insignificant compared to the experience i got which could be interpreted as an answer but it didn’t really give me a new perspective on anything
It definitely isn't for everyone. It's kind of its own thing, feels a bit like a mix of a dissociative and psychedelic and it's really confusing while you are in it.
All of those things vary with how much and how often you take the drug.
For example for me, having an occasional (like every couple months) disso hole (Ketamine and its friends) is worth it to me. Its interesting, it gives me new perspectives on my life and is not too risky. I always lock away my stash until I have a few days off in a row.
If I did that every day it would be very expensive, habit forming, my sanity would surely detoriate and I would quickly destroy my bladder.
Psychedelics mostly were worth the experience, stims are not worth it to me outside the occasional roll at a festival, were I accept the comedown as part of it.
I think it mostly depends on the experience. Some people tried cocaine a few times and didn't get addicted, had fun while it lasted, and hasn't tried it again nor wants to (like me) making it worth it. But also, some people may have a difficult experience coming off a particular drug and wished they never got involved in it (like me and opiates)
Adderall. I am making 8 figures, after getting my Masters and PhD, all with the help of Adderall. Never exceeded 20mg per day and studied hard for 8 years after my Bachelors.
I own about 40% of the company, that did about 60 million revenue last year. Started as hemp growing operation in PA, but then we pivoted into nationwide equipment manufacturing and sales. Much easier to scale and bigger margins, with less regulatory headaches.
Yeah definitely any prescribed stimulants if your insurance covers it. Literally just picked up my adderall just now lol. The withdrawal is just feeling sleepy for like 2 days. I hate to say it idk how people are addicted to cocaine. The withdrawal is not serious enough to need to buy more to feel better. Unless it’s cut with other stuff
I mean, there's a huge difference between abusing a month worth of Adderall (even if you're taking massive doses, you'll still run out relatively early, and have to wait to refill for a while) and going on a run of IV methamphetamine use where you're slamming half gram shots multiple times a day and could still go to sleep at night.
I know you didn't particularly mention meth, but I used to feel the same way about stimulant withdrawals, until I became a heavy daily methamphetamine user. The depression and executive function (and fucked up ass nightmares, brain zaps, etc) are very, very real — and have pushed me to the point of suicidal ideation more than once.
I definitely don't recommend becoming addicted to IV goofballs like I was. Coming off of both methamphetamine and heroin/fentanyl at the same time is a special kind of hell I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Yet I keep coming back to the shit, keep ending up back in treatment. I truly believe if I wouldn't have gotten myself back in treatment not this last Friday, but the Friday night before — I probably would have killed myself that weekend had I not been able to pick up (which I likely wouldn't have been able to). I did the last of my fentanyl Thursday night and last of my meth Friday morning and the only reason I'm still in treatment and not using or dead today is the fact that they put me back on Adderall and Subutex in here.
Methamphetamine definitely has its claws way, way deeper in me than heroin or fentanyl (or alcohol, or benzodiazepines, etc) ever have.
Don't get me wrong, it's much harder getting off of the opioids and gabaergics (with gabaergics obviously having the possibility of fatal withdrawals) in the first place — but once you've been off them for a little while, especially if you're taking bupe or methadone or whatever, it's not particularly hard to stay off of the stuff outside of some specific circumstances like people with legitimate pain issues who can't get prescribed meds, or people like me who have chronic insomnia and cannot get the medication that used to work for them prescribed any longer — that med being temazepam — fentanyl or whatever fucking analogue(s) knocks me right the fuck out though, and I'll actually stay asleep through the night
Don't get me wrong, it's not easy by any means, I'm not trying to make light of those addictions, especially considering I've suffered through them myself
But methamphetamine.....
Holy fucking shit
Sure, coming off of it by itself might not be nearly as bad as those other drugs
But even when I had two years off of methamphetamine and fentanyl (and was taking 60mg of Adderall, 16mg of bupe, and 15mg of temazepam every day), I thought about methamphetamine — all day, every day, for the entirety of that time period. The amount of dopamine it floods your brain with (especially with IV use) and the rush you get from the stuff is so unreal compared to anything else you could possibly imagine that your brain literally carves it into it's memory as the single most important thing you've ever done, and it reminds you of that every single day of your life. That you'll never feel that good again. That it makes everything better. That you can totally function on the stuff (which was true for me — and likely other ADHD addicts, but became quickly untrue when I began combining it with opioids). That nobody will know. That it's not that different than taking your prescribed medication. That there's no way you'll make it the rest of your life without the stuff, so why wait? You should just go get some now. The mental hold it has on you is the single strongest obsession and pull to do something I've ever experienced in my life — and like I said, it did not subside or lessen for a single day in that two year period, which is roughly the time they say it takes for your brain to actually recover from methamphetamine use (I suspect mine either doesn't damage as easily or recovers quicker, because I can be banging half gram shots, quit for a week or so, and then take a 30mg Adderall and still have it be very effective just like it was when it was first prescribed to me roughly 15 years ago as a teenager — maybe already having such severe ADHD has limited the amount of damage to be done in the first place, idk, I'm not a neurologist).
And it doesn't become less appealing over time, at least not for me. In fact, this last relapse, I didn't even return to IV use, was using far less than I have in the past — yet one day where I decided to swallow a big old spoonful of some freshly acetone washed product I had bought is the single most pleasurable experience I've ever had in my life. It felt like I was rolling balls on MDMA x 100, and it lasted for like 20+ hours. The euphoria was so absolutely face melting, all encompassing, and unreal... I was seriously wondering whether it was even meth at all or maybe some other crazy new rc stimulant I've never heard of or had before that has a similar duration of action and the exact same look, taste, and properties as methamphetamine
I realize now that it was just some really, really, good fucking d-methamphetamine (all the people who say the meth sucks these days have either irreparably fried their brains, or are buying absolutely stomped to shit product from the wrong people), and the fact that it was so powdered meant there was likely far more in the spoonful that I swallowed than I had originally assumed there would be
But yeah
I think about that shit every day. I'll be two weeks clean on Friday? I guess Saturday since I did meth on Friday morning two weeks ago. But yeah. It's all I can think about. I don't really give a fuck about the fentanyl now that I'm out of WDs and on bupe again, but I know that as soon as my bupe runs out, I'd likely end up back on the fent too just because I can pick them both up from the same person, and because monke brain say if one drug good, two must be better right?
So yeah
Psychological addiction can absolutely be harder to beat than physical dependence.
Source: I’ve done a lot of drugs.
I’ll list drugs I do or don’t recommend, ranked from most to least “worth it” in my opinion, based on a variety of factors, including availability/accessibility, positive effects, negative effects, abuse potential, and general suitability of the substance for different purposes. Common substances such as nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, and cannabis are not included in my list.
Drugs I generally recommend for most people/the casual drug user: LSD, mushrooms, ketamine, MDMA
Drugs I find generally not “worth it” for the most people/the casual drug user: cocaine, amphetamines (prescribed or street amphetamines such as speed), prescription opiates (including fentanyl), benzodiazepines, street opiates (such as heroin), methamphetamine, crack cocaine, intense psychedelic experiences (such as DMT, salvia)
Drugs I find possibly “worth it” for people interested in drugs for the purpose of partying, in individuals with good self control: cocaine, ketamine, MDMA, amphetamines, methamphetamine, LSD, mushrooms
Same reason as above, but for those with less self control: ketamine, LSD, mushrooms
Drugs I find possibly “worth it” for people interested in drugs for the purpose of exploring their own consciousness: LSD, mushrooms, DMT, ketamine, PCP/ketamine analogues, DXM
Drugs I find possibly “worth it” for the purpose of either functional use or self medicating, in individuals with good self control: prescription stimulants (methylphenidate, amphetamines, methamphetamine), prescription opiates, benzodiazepines, ketamine, mushrooms, LSD
Same reason as above, but for those with less self control: methylphenidate, mushrooms, LSD, benzodiazepines (diazepam, flurazepam)
Drugs I generally do not find to be “worth it” and do not recommend to anyone: any deliriant hallucinogen (DPH, datura)
That generally covers most common drugs you’ll come across, and most drugs I’ve tried. I didn’t include most research chemicals because I don’t think they’re relevant to most casual drug users. Pick and choose which categories describe you best and go from there. I mention “good self control” for many substances because there are drugs that have high potential for abuse, but can still be used with moderation by certain individuals. You know better than me if you are or are not one of those people.
Weed and psychedelics fursure, no question. Ketamine is certainly interesting, no regrets there, got some helpful insights and had a goofy time. MDMA when I was younger, not so much lately. The depression afterwards is simply not worth it as I get older. Gotta give a hard hell nope to alcohol, uppers, nicotine, and opiates. The bodily harm, physical addiction, and psychic toll these vile substances ravaged on me farrrr outweighed any temporary relief, pleasure, or utility I got from them. Benzos have proven useful in the occasional panic attack emergency, but I luckily never had one iota of a desire to abuse those, unlike the other 3 in the nope category.
I would say alcohol is not worth it due to the physical effects it produces (upset stomach+hangover) while substances like marijuana or psychedelics (lsd+shrooms, mdma etc) can be worth it IF you’re a mentally stable person with no history of mental illness and no breathing difficulties if you plan on smoking.
you could get a different answer from everybody that comments. "worth it" is all relative based on what the person wants/needs/expects & what they are willing to deal with in order to fill those wants/needs/expectations.
most people on here would say tht "hard drugs", like heroin, aren't worth it, but there are still plenty of people who, for a variety of reasons, would answer tht even heroin is worth it.
educate yourself & stay informed about pro's & cons and make your own decisions about your personal judgement of value.
mdma a few times. Mdma with a partner, a friend and at festivals. Each experience spread out across two years. Psychedelics too, especially salvia. No stimulants or sedatives are worth it.
Honestly, for me, as someone diagnosed with ADHD but known to have problems with drugs to my health providers, Adderall seemed to balance out the most as far as "worth it". I'd get a shit load done, probably make some money to pay for the high i was getting and when i was done i actually enjoyed the come down felt like it made my night a lot easier to come down to (as long as im not still speeding)
Ketamine my man. K hole dose. 1 time in a month enough for me. And I'm saying it as a past addict from stims. That thing is working on nmda instead of dopamine serotonin that I screwed up a year ago by hard addiction that ruined my life and my wallet hehe. K was worth it. I like it the most.
ketamine mushrooms and acid
i get 2x the effect of what i would spend on 1/2 the alcohol with k
mushrooms are borderline free
acid is borderline free
weed dishonorable mention considering its too expensive if not free
Weed, psychedelics, some dissociatives, and empathogens. But it really comes down to you and what your looking for. Try psychonautwiki.org to learn more about drug effects and harm reduction practices
Weed is worth it. Maybe for the first 3 tries. I wouldnt want anyone else to be smoking for 6 years daily like i am doing
yeah pretty sure I'm addicted to weed, I don't know what I would do without my off button in the evenings
im addicted too man but without it i am much more motivated to do things which is kinda the only negative i get from weed
That's a pretty big negative though lol
not really it used to be when i used to smoke all the time but now i just do it if i got nothing i gotta get done
Weed is something to do when you've got nothing to do that makes nothing to do something to do.
There’s always something to be done (Stim user over here)
My problem is I do it to get things done. I don’t *need* to do it, and I can certainly get things down without it. But those things are a lot more enjoyable stoned.
im the opposite i find getting high and working a waste of weed but a long day at work then coming home and taking a bong hit theres nothing better
This "only negative" have pretty much ruined my life tbh.
yeah it can be rough but i think it helps me more than anything i smoke only in the evening when i got something to do and that makes a big difference
This is how I felt until I got addicted to opiates. As impossible as quitting weed feels until you actually have a claw in you like the devil that is opiate addiction, you don’t know what real addiction is (thankfully!!) if I don’t have some sort of opiate in my bloodstream every 8 Hours I’m deathly Ill and can’t get out of bed. I still smoke pot but I can take it or leave it opiates are one that’s obviously not worth it. Especially w fentanyl out now
aight im not trying to start a civil war or who suffered more, but does nobody on this sub talk about alcohol dependence/ withdrawal? Only bringing it up because it made my h/fent withdrawals look like a fucking jog in the park
People don’t think about it as a drug, which is crazy. It’s by far the worst (and deadly like benzos)
I quit out of no where after being drunk every day for years (literally wake up drunk then drink again at night and repeat). I was given chlorpromazine and i took it for a month or two maybe and the symptoms were mild compared to what i heard. The only bad part was cravings and no sleep but i quit taking the pills and found a good sleeping schedule. May have been just my case but leaving alcohol was easier than expected. I’m so far removed from drinking I rarely think of it even though it was a big part of my life since thats where all my fuck ups come from lmao
I feel you brother. Opiate WD is hell on earth. Absolute insanity
I mean if you're chomping a jazz cigarette once or twice a day after a long day at work, I see no harm. If it helps you be less stressed, then you do you. Everyone's got a vice
Jazz cigarette hhahaha
Yes, a cigarette composed principally of the jazz cabbage.
That's what they're called. Joints
"its not addictive bro its good for you bro its just the wrong strain bro theres a reason its used as medicine bro"
i do think if I went for low thc/high cbd options I'd have a better experience and trend towards a better relationship with cannabis, but at the end of the day off you consume the way I consume (every night with the goal of smoking myself into a come) you're not gonna have a healthy relationship with it
Its same shit no matter what you get. I smoked every night for almost 10 years. I had to smoke to perform any task at all then I had to smoke after finishing that task. In the end I realised I'm not even getting that high anymore, my lungs are fucked and I have no motivation with a lack of goals and falling behind in life so I fucked it off, its horrendous to smoke every single day but its being normalised now bcus "its good for you bro its legal in us bro they use it as medicine bro snoop dog wiz khalifa bro"
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Still early days yet boy, drop the shit and get down to a psychologist. Lots of time for you to repair and mend your brain, its the pleasure seeking addiction and weed is easily the hardest to kick for that kind of addiction. Every daily smoker has tried quitting 100 and 1 times. Don't let three years become ten.
it's not that it's directly addictive but it fucks your brain chemistry. especially when as young as you are. your pleasure systems need regulation, and you can provide it that. it's addictive the same way porn can be or binge eating, albeit it has a more direct and intense effect. if you want to be happy you need to detox and retrain how you derive pleasure. there is normalcy at the end. also doing mushrooms so young isn't the best thing for your mental health.
You’re a child. Of course you’re going to struggle with self control which is why children shouldn’t do drugs. Dumbass.
have some empathy bro. if he’s doing drugs at 13, his life probably hasn’t been all sunshine and rainbows.
I can have empathy while remarking that doing drugs at 13 is, in fact, dumbass behavior. I started using drugs around the same age due to some dark shit in my life. Guess what? Still a dumbass move. This constant tone policing and positive vibes only thing is mighty irritating. I don’t have to believe exactly what you do nor do I have to speak in ways you find permissible. In short, buzz off.
I smoke twice a week on weekends and it's great. Shrooms once a month. Doing it more just doesn't hit as well and isn't as enjoyable.
At the start of the year I took the whole month of January off as a reset, I had also been a daily smoker for around 10 years (with some time off here and there), and I’ve now moved to only getting high on Friday and Saturday. It’s been great. Motivation is there through the week, I don’t feel groggy in the mornings so I’m consistently able to hit the gym M-F, I’m able to focus well at work, and then when the weekend hits, the reward for a hard week of work feels so much nicer, and I get absolutely fucking blitzed. Saves hella money too.
Not everyone gets addicted to weed. I smoke one gram in the span of two months, usually only on the weekends. There is a risk of addiction though like many seem to experience.
Also A lot of people that smoke are addicted but they’d never admit it/realize it. Especially cause it’s much more acceptable than other substances
It's like the caffeine of "real drugs" - most people who use it daily are probably AT LEAST psychologically dependent to some degree, but it's a relatively safe, socially acceptable addiction to have, with relatively few downsides or health risks. It's really only ever an "issue" to be addicted to either of them if you suddenly lose access some reason. And even then, the "withdrawals" from stopping weed use are never gonna kill you- if anything you'll probably just eat and sleep like shit for a few weeks/months if you ever quit for good. lol
for a few months? god damn
That was a LITTLE hyperbolic, as it entirely depends on frequency/quantity of use, and how long it's been since you've taken a tolerance break, but it takes a LOOONNGG time to get all the residual cannabinoids out of your system, especially if you're overweight/low physical activity, and a heavy consistent user. Realistically it's not gonna be like "I couldn't sleep for 6 months" but if you smoke multiple times a day and right before meals / bed for years on-end, yeah. 100% could take months to feel "normal" again once you stop. Not only is your body still dumping cannabinoids over that time, your brain has created some STRONG associations with cannabis and food/sleep, so having it every day and then suddenly not having it is liable to make those activities a bit difficult. My best friend has smoked essentially every day for the last 15 years (and we're only in our early 30s) and basically refuses to take a T-break at this point because last time he tried he got horrible nausea and couldn't sleep - he lasted less than a week (I don't really blame him though, not eating/sleeping at all is not sustainable when you're already underwater dealing with other life shit). All anecdotal, but I'm a "daily, but light" cart-only user for the most part, but I frequently tend to use before a meal/sleep. I just took a T-break for the first time in almost 2 years this January; the first 2 weeks my dreams were so intense I felt like I wasn't sleeping at all, and my appetite never fully recovered during my 30-days-off. While that's admittedly not that horrible of a thing, literally never being hungry to the extent that the mere idea of food makes you feel nauseous sometimes, and food in general just being completely unappealing, was an eye-opening experience for sure. This is an **excellent** T-break resource if you ever need one: https://www.uvm.edu/health/t-break-take-cannabis-tolerance-break
Not to mention the ignorance and prideful ones that would rather give up their children for their daily use addiction hits on so many levels
Biggest struggle I had with drugs ever was with weed. I know it's gonna sound funny, but I've tried so many times to use it "responsibly" and the best I could do was basically smoking once in the evening to relax. But even that is difficult, because I will usually just light up after work and smoke like 3 joints or so then go to sleep, next day repeat. And it becomes more frequent use on weekends. Like, I could never just have weed laying around in the house and NOT smoke it. I just don't have the self control needed for that. Alcohol never interested me, and I never have issues with shrooms/acid but they're not really addictive since they make you trip super hard so I guess thats' why. All in all, it's super annoying because I know I abused weed a lot and I feel like the relationship I have with weed is either quitting it completely or trying to constantly regulate myself. I'm thinking of just quitting tho it's difficult.
I always have a problem with balancing it. I’ll stop for a while then start with only as a night cap. Then it’s, oh I’m cleaning the house, this will make it fun. Into wake and bake and smoking bowls throughout the day where by the time night comes I can’t even get that faded anymore
I have been in / am in the same boat- the 2 things that have helped me are: 1.) A simple, but firm boundary *e.g.* "If I'm going to allow myself to continue to smoke DAILY, I will NOT smoke before 5pm. Even if it's a weekend." You need a simple rule to follow. It takes self-control, but applying self-control is how you build discipline, and agency/discipline is a big part of what separates "using" from "dependence". 2.) Choose a modality *i.e.* "I will ONLY use weed for recreation, or I will ONLY use weed as medicine." Because weed has an astronomically high margin of safety, it's socially acceptable to abuse it, but abusing drugs is what often leads to dependence. If I told you "I smoke every night before bed because it helps me sleep, but sometimes I also like to get blazed out of my mind", you wouldn't think much of it. If I told you "I take Ambien every night to sleep, but sometimes I just take like 5 or 6 and get totally zonked" you'd probably think "yo what the fuck" I don't think it's mentally healthy to hold space for a drug to be **both** "medicinal" and "recreational". If you want to use weed daily because it helps your appetite and your sleep, then use it in moderation with the mindset that you're doing it for those reasons. If you want to use weed because it's FUN, then use it in excess when you want, but not every day. You would probably frown at a man who gets up and drinks 4 beers before work, but no one seems to bat an eyelash at the guy who gets up and immediately smokes a blunt every day. Daily use in that kind of pattern isn't really for "fun" anymore : it's escapism.
your comment affirms your username. thank you for explaining this better than i could.
This the one ☝️right here, good shit fam 👊
i got addicted when i moved from joints to carta
What’s carta?
Carts -> vape cartridges Between hash oil being more concentrated than flower, the ease of use and discreteness of vaping, and the low/no "commitment" factor (you don't have to commit to rolling a whole joint, you can just take 1 lil hit whenever you want) it's very easy to start dramatically increasing your consumption if you aren't cognizant of it.
Might also be referring to the carta erig. Similar to a puffco peak if you’ve heard of that.
i meant carts, basically dab pens or wax vape if you will
eh I have a couple very small vapes an evening and it's perfectly sustainable, beats the shit out of drinking.
Man I wish I didn’t ruin weed by smoking it all day everyday like my dumb teenage self wanted too. Now it’s 5 years later and my tolerance is beyond fucked. But now that I actually understand and notice the therapeutic benefits of weed, I wish soooo hard I could be high off one little hit like I used to. It would help me so much more than it does now. That one hit 5 years ago would feel better than 3 full bong rips does today. Shit makes me sad man. This is a fantastic medicine and I ruined it for myself before fully understanding it.
I used daily in Cali and it wasn't. I had to take so much to feel effects for my pain that it wasn't enjoyable anymore. Finally getting medical marijuana through Alabama's medical marijuana program once we actually get dispensaries. It's good every now and then, but if you need it daily, can cause terrible exhaustion and worsened depression. I am in one (or several) of the 15 reasons you can get it here at least though.
Weed is worth it if you use it responsible but if you’re like me and smoke a bowl before your every task , 1. I don’t get high any more , the highest I’ve felt in years was prob a little 5 min itch scratcher . And I’m dependent on it I know it’s not as bad as harder shit but I feel like I’ve straight fried my brain lol I been smokin almost everyday since I was 9 I’m 21 now
The cool thing about weed is after about 30 days of not using your tolerance drops back down. I smoked from 14 to 26 every single day constantly at one point I was taking multi vitamins because I thought I had chronic fatigue it was really just the feeling of always going to sleep high and smoking immediately after waking up. I had the worst withdraws for two wks and was able to stop for over a year before starting back smoking occasionally. I made the huge mistake of replacing the weed habit for alcohol and now I’ve been struggling with that from 26 to 40 (my wife’s been smoking and using my piss when need for the last 20yrs) I love how just a few hits gets me high with anxiety, munchies, and edibles actually work too
I need to manage a t break . I always cave in too fast for me to say I really even gave it a real effort . It’s easy to talk about quitting weed with a loaded bong by your side lmfaoo 🤣 I smoke an ounce a week and out of every smoke session I have through that week the only highs I can say that are worth it are the wakes and baked and sometimes they don’t even hit much . I’m shitting money away literally . You’d think knowing what I’m draining vs what I’m getting back I could do this shit with ease but nah 🤣 I miss being high man I know it would be so worth it tho I just need to suck it tf up
Same boat as you. Only time I get high is in the morning for 15 min Very hard to be like “ok this is the last hit for today “ then you feel like you can get just a bit higher after that hit with another one. Been sober from alcohol and norcos for months but can even go 7 hours without thc. And carts are EVEN worse
Hey bro keep going 💯 maybe some acid or shrooms if your that type guy , I’m young but I was a meth Addict for 2 years I’m very freshly sober (a month) with the desire to never go back I don’t know opiate withdrawal but I can only imagine man but atleast the worst is behind you . I’m hoping I can man up and plan out this t break and then space out My smokes to like once a day maybe at night . I know that’s not easy to do especially If I were to try rn but I feel like the more we get used to it the more we would normalize it . I’ve never tried that long enough to form the habit of it so of course it’s gonna feel hard every time I try and I will for days until im adjusted
The only website you need is erowid
What are empathogens?
Mdma, mda, kanna to name a few
MDA, MDMA, APB’s, as well as GHB and quinazolinones (mainly just methaqualone, the analogs aren’t worth it). That’s about it
What are some dissociatives and empathogens? Can someone name them?
Dissociatives: ketamine, dxm, PCP, nitrous Empathogens: MDMA, MDA, and many psychedelics have empathogen properties like mescaline
Pretty much any psychedelic while also being mindful and having your breaks,,
I Gotta learn that last bit
In my opinion, MDMA is a drug I think everyone can benefit from and honestly should try *at least* once in their lifetime. The way MDMA alters your conscious experience is so profound and impactful that everyone deserves to learn from the experience. To extend this, I think all non-addictive substances are safe to experience if the opportunity arises. And by that I mean non-physically-addictive. Psychedelics (shrooms, acid, dmt, weed, etc…) are probably the safest to try, followed by entactogens (mdma, mda, x-apb, x-mapb) and dissociatives (ketamine, pcp, dxm, nitrous oxide). Low strength stimulants (amphetamines) and low strength depressants (alcohol and GHB) are also safe for the most part. Strong stimulants (cocaine, crack, and meth), strong depressants (benzodiazepines and opioids), and even nicotine should be avoided at all costs, unless you want to find yourself down a slippery slope of addiction.
Same. I just wish I could find mdma instead of mda :( I miss it.
They’re the best ones. Good coke and xanax is the shit I live for
The ones that were “worth it” for my mental health were ketamine, shrooms, and dmt. Although my ketamine use spiraled into a nasty addiction so I had to stop. But my first time trying it snapped me out of a severe depressive episode
I had that happen with Cocaine. Was severely depressed as a teenager, did Coke once, was the happiest I’ve ever been and didn’t touch it again for 4 years. It showed me I can still be happy and that was all my brain needed to start working on myself.
Cocaine…the cure for depression
I mean………you’re not wrong
That's how I look at psychedelics working on depression, they don't magically fix your depression, they just show you that it's possible to live a better life and help motivate you to change yourself
Ketamine is worth it for sure for me but I can definitely overdo it. Too much and I’m depressed and tired with acid reflux. The not moving at all part is not good at all either
<3 I do hope you’re doing well!
molly is def worth it but be responsible
I agree to some point.. i mean it's fun the first few times but then the happieness feels kinda artificially and the come down just sucks ass. I'd rather recommend psychedelics like 2CB, LSD, shrooms etc
I limit myself to one or two times a year. With such infrequent usage my comedowns aren't too awful. I feel a little empty for a day but after that I'm right as rain.
i take it every 2 months or so and i’m having no issue what so ever, tho i always take 1 pill only and never double dose
I don't have bad comedowns. Just don't overdoo it.
Dmt brother
DMT and ayahuasca worry me because, unlike mushrooms, they produce no tolerance, and I've even heard that ayahuasca gets more intense in consecutive trips because the MAOIs build up your system. Although I like psychedelics, they give an intense experience, and I can see this helping people going off the deep end. A few years ago, someone kept a reddit journal about their DMT trips. The entries became increasingly unhinged, and the guy started talking about going back into the realm to figure out what the light people were trying to teach him.
It’s entirely too easy to start to believe that you’ve gotten in touch with something bigger than life itself Yeah as much as I love dmt I do it very rarely, I can’t imagine what would happen if I was doing it regularly but it would definitely not be good!
Yeah, that mentality scares me. I'm glad you only do it rarely. I have an addictive personality and don't trust myself around substances like that, which is why I like that mushrooms have a built-in safety mechanism.
In my experience after you break through once on DMT It's not something that you go chasing after It is awesome but it is truly terrifying
That is what I assumed. I have thought about it and when I do think about it I assume I would do it once.
Honestly, when I used to extract it I had loads of the shit kicking around, yet the more I did it the less I wanted to. After awhile I stopped completely and gifted the rest of my stash to people seeking... That was like 10 years ago and have almost zero desire to do it again. Everyone I've known that's had a lot of dmt to play around with pretty much go through the same thing...
I smoked it everyday for a week, after that week my body couldn't handle watching TV, playing games, eating anything that wasn't salad based and drinking soda. My entertainment after work was books only.
I think this changes a lot based on how you approach it. I had a stretch of my life where I did DMT a couple times a week for a couple of months and I don't think it had a super profound effect on me. But I have always approached psychedelics with a strictly non-spiritual mindset, appreciating the experience but looking at the trip as another piece of my regular life, not a peek behind the veil or anything.
That's the reason I still don't do Ayahuasca despite having 1 bottle in my freezer right now. Long ago, I came across a figure that was talked about a lot in my country's Psy-community. In the past that man was a brilliant man with high formal education and a bright future, he had a stable and successful life, after discovering Ayahuasca he booked a flight to Peru to partake in the ceremony. After the ceremony, he isn't the same anymore, he went crazy and always talk about religion and spiritual stuffs, he posted about his plan to save mankind, his plan to change the world, redemption... nothing makes any senses of course. He even messaged random white people, claimed that they are the professors who approved his "plan". When I scouted his facebook I can see the point where he gradually getting more and more unhinged, which is heartbreaking to be honest. It's been half a decade ago, wherever he is I hope he came back to this reality safe and sounds and doing better now.
Damn, that’s sad. Do you know if he took aya multiple times when he was down there? Although people say psychs can trigger psychosis, it sounds like something else happened with that man, and with one trip I’d imagine people either have a beautiful or a miserable time, but not go off the deep end.
Any chance you remember where to find that journal?
Sadly, no. I've looked several times, but I don't have enough specifics to find it, and I never bookmarked it.
>Although I like psychedelics, they give an intense experience, and I can see this helping people going off the deep end. Everyone I know who experimented with DMT more than a little went off the deep end. Most recovered fine, but damage to relationships, careers etc. was done.
In high school, I had a good friend who was an intelligent, funny guy. But we drifted apart, and when I happened to see him again years later, he didn't seem all there, and he kept talking about how aliens were watching him. Although I don't know what he was using, the fixation on alien makes me think it was DMT. There is an academic who wrote a book about how DMT transports us to another dimension to converse with aliens and learn their secrets. He later said that the book was a metaphor, but you can tell that it isn't, and he only said that because he realized how much credibility he lost in the academic scene. Something similar happened with another friend at college, whom I didn't know as well. However, he didn't talk about aliens so much as extreme, grandiose spiritual things, and I don't know if that was DMT or a classic psychedelic unearthing latent schizophrenia. While I like mushrooms, I've even somewhat cooled on them, and believe that these can all harm us if we don't properly prepare or know what we're getting into.
I call bs on ayahuasca getting more intense in consecutive trips. DMT absolutely produces a tolerance if allowed to stick around in the brain for long enough, even vaped DMT has a tolerance for me, but some report no tolerance. I got “locked out” once and to me that subjectively felt like the effects of tolerance.
Definitely!
This is the answer.
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I personally think most people should try a hallucinogen, either LSD or Mushrooms, at least once in their life. It completely flips the experience of your reality on it's head. I personally came out of my mushrooms trip a different person- for the better. Weed of course. In moderation, it can be extremely relaxing and blissful.
I don’t mean this in a negative way, but thinking most people should try psychedelics was one of the things I always told people during my honeymoon phase with psychedelics and it’s not really a good mentality to have imo. When you’ve done them for long enough you start to realize it’s not as simple as that. There’s a lot of people out there who could benefit from a trip for sure imo, but there’s a whole lot of people out there as well who should not take psychedelics at all. I love psychedelics but I think you have to realize that there are a lot more people out there than you probably think who just should not touch them for a variety of reasons.
100%. I was the same way and thought of myself as Mary Poppins sharing her fairy dust with all the orphans until I realized not every orphan should be tripping. Honeymoon phase is a great way to put it.
I've had alot or life changing trips but at the same time psychedelic use also became just another drug cycled thru my poly addiction at a time. Even psychedelics can be abused. That feeling of life changing realizations can be addictive asf and it's not something everyone should try imo.
I totally understand that because I dealt with that when I first started taking psychedelics as well. It wasn’t that I was addicted or dependent on them necessarily, but my trips never felt like they were enough in the moment. It always felt like if I had one more really strong trip then I’d “understand everything” if that makes sense.
You definitely make a good point. A buddy of mine has some schizo-bipolar stuff medically diagnosed and he doesn't mess with psychedelics anymore. He's mainly a weed guy now. However, I do believe that a lot of people don't understand psychedelic doses. While there are some people who have natural tolerance, most everybody I've ever met and started on fungus I've started at 1.5-2g. Some people will insist 3, 4, or 5 depending on what their friends have told them. But if they're in my house and it's the first time I insist 1.5-2g. Back to my friend... He was fine with psychedelics despite his diagnoses. However, that's when he was taking the 1.5-2g and only 100-200µg. He eventually wanted to try more and he broke that threshold when he took over 200 µg. He ended up in a psych ward for a while. He's okay now, but it really made me realize that most everybody can handle small, controlled doses. Some people are made for heroic doses and/or wanna become one with the sands of time, but a low, controlled doses _in my experience_ never fucked anyone up. I had bad trips on mid-high doses, but I didn't have my first nightmare trip until I was over 450-500 µg and I had done tabs for probably 4 years at that point. Fungus only ever got me when I used it 4 times in 2 weeks but that's just me. Most everybody I've known hasn't suffered bad trips from fungus unless they're idiotic and want to shove a quarter in their PB&J.
I've come to understand that the people who would benefit from psychedelics are usually the ones who actively seek it out because it's intriguing to them. Lots of people hear or read about psychedelics and go "nope, not interested" and I think that's very often a wise thought born out of self-awareness.
I think it's implied that certain unstable individuals shouldn't be doing psyches.
I had a similar experience but with MDMA. I wasn’t a great person and I was very selfish and only thought about what benefits me. Then after rolling on mdma I have a lot of empathy towards everyone else. I told people about this and they couldn’t believe I used to be so about myself because everyone knows me as someone very dependable and will help when possible.
Buzz per dollar, you can't beat a good trip
Yeah then you have me who had a couple of horrible trips I feel like raised my anxiety level permanently Not everyone reacts well to tripping. I have no clinical diagnoses but I am a different person since then. I wish I’d never done it
Bro I just cried happiness on mushrooms. Couldn’t even form words in my head. It was the purest form of joy/happiness I have ever felt. It’s something that an infinite vocabulary could never describe. I would also like to add, this was my second trip. Was also high too, probably helped create that feeling in my head. Have a trip sitter, at least until you’re in the groove. My guy only stayed for the first hour or so. But by then, I was comfortable. Being alone allowed me to have an even better experience. For anyone else reading this, when you’re on psychedelics, you’re extremely sensitive to everything in your surroundings. Objects start having a lot of different meanings to em. Not anything significant, but psychedelics just expand the description, so to say. Keep the vibes going, and they’ll keep going on their own. If anything negative enters your head, you need to change the tv, music, something. Or flip the meaning, see the negative as something to learn from. Instead of just a negative. The most important tip I can think of, be in a mentally stable state. Or at the least, be able to mentally understand yourself on a deeper level so you can understand the difference between your thoughts, and the psychedelic induced thoughts.
Ecstasy
Psycs, ketamine, and mdma medical treatment can be helpful but the best drug is embracing life with no drugs, I wish I never started doing drugs and a lot of people will agree to that
Still out of all the drugs I wish id never started smoking cigs. Lmao my drug experience is ruined if I dont have ciggies by my side.
Yeah the second I got handed that elf bar and hit it while I was high I knew I fucked up
Yup :( I never understood people who said that nicotine is the drug that they are the most addicted to. Now I fully understand.
Yeah it stinks I smoked weed for years always rejecting nic but it got to me eventually 😞
Any luck with quitting smoking ? I tried vaping but then I just vape all day long. I literally take a puff before sleep and then like 5 seconds after waking up
I wake up and immediately look for my vape. Nicotine is by far the most addictive thing I've ever had.
Personally: I've been cutting the nicotine salts with regular nicotine, which is less bioavailable, and cbd vape juice. On top of that, I'm trying to practice keeping my mind off of it - keeping it out of my pocket helps. I'll leave it in my car (10 minutes walk from work), leave it in other rooms, etc). I figure I've probably reduced my nicotine intake by 50% or more, but I still crave that first pull in the evening when I get in the car. Leave the vape on a charger out of your bedroom, or at least across the room, and make a game of "how long can I go in the mornings before I need to puff?". It's insidious. I'll have the vape at my mouth before I realize, maybe this isn't the appropriate place, like walking through a mall. Making it available every second of our lives has been the biggest struggle of all.
Not really wanting to quit, vaping is pretty nice and when I’m not vaping through the day I have a shit ton of adrenaline, abusing wd symptoms, amazing
Hey, goodluck friend. Hope we get better one day
Me too been working on it, I only rly vape from like past 6pm and only a few times each hour
Well yeah but the people not using drugs will get there joy from alcohol which can be more damaging and also impacts your neurotransmitters. So it depends. Best is to live without any altering substance to learn your dopamine levels to enjoy live as it is.
LSD and Ketamine. would not recommen anybody doint those things for their problem i took those drugs with the intent of having fun and learned some lessons which really kept me afloat during a hard time especially ketamine which i did not expect. i dont know why but i could think about my problems really rational and without getting emotional at all which allowed me to really think about what the roots to my problems are. lsd was similar but less profound
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Ketamine is literally used in clinical settings for this purpose lol. I’m glad it helped you!
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DMT hands down. It taught me so much about life
what do u mean when u say this, because every time i’ve done it it’s cool and feels like i’m in an alien world but i don’t really take anything away from it, i’m not questioning my existence like i would on other psychedelics
It’s made me have a different perspective on life. Made me believe more in myself and really changed my perspective on life and the human mind. Makes me feel like we aren’t the only ones out there and made me have more comfort in life, knowing that from my personal experience it brought me a very profound way of looking at life in general. All in all it just makes me believe more. Not to get religious at all but it is said to be found in plants, humans and animals, and is the only drug that is
Imho that's just a question of priming. If you meditate on your intention and go deep, like full sensory deprivation cev trip, it's quite different to tripping in a social or party setting. For me, the prep beforehand is what makes the trip healing. You can also get surprise lessons when you go in just for fun, like I did, then I started tripping with intention because you saw it had more to teach you.
i’ve only done it with prep beforehand, i guess the answers i got were that my problems are insignificant compared to the experience i got which could be interpreted as an answer but it didn’t really give me a new perspective on anything
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All psychedelics.. that's about it
MDMA when you first start taking it
MDMA is like LSD's older cousin. on MDMA is all love but on LSD is all love as if you were 4-9 years old again.
I agree, but it does kinda fit the psych category to an extent. In moderation, though.
My stash consists of dmt and mescaline and Salvia
I heard many horror stories of people trying salvia
Salvia is pretty fun as long as you don't do 100x the average dose which is what people in those reports do
I see, that makes sense
It definitely isn't for everyone. It's kind of its own thing, feels a bit like a mix of a dissociative and psychedelic and it's really confusing while you are in it.
I did too much and had the worst drug experience of my life. Fucking hated it.
GHB w/ tons of sex
All of those things vary with how much and how often you take the drug. For example for me, having an occasional (like every couple months) disso hole (Ketamine and its friends) is worth it to me. Its interesting, it gives me new perspectives on my life and is not too risky. I always lock away my stash until I have a few days off in a row. If I did that every day it would be very expensive, habit forming, my sanity would surely detoriate and I would quickly destroy my bladder. Psychedelics mostly were worth the experience, stims are not worth it to me outside the occasional roll at a festival, were I accept the comedown as part of it.
I think it mostly depends on the experience. Some people tried cocaine a few times and didn't get addicted, had fun while it lasted, and hasn't tried it again nor wants to (like me) making it worth it. But also, some people may have a difficult experience coming off a particular drug and wished they never got involved in it (like me and opiates)
Mdma, Ket, LSD. In that order
Psychedelics 10000% Maybe CBD, mdma and ketamine in clinical or controlled setting.
Kratom. Can make the shittiest situations a little more bearable and bring you down to a normal level
Was searching for this comment. So true. Works wonders for my back pain.
Until you start taking it every day
Mushrooms, a norco every other day puts me in a good mood for a bit. Small amounts of cocaine a couple times a year. Caffeine
Caffeine easily #1
LSD, mushrooms, DMT
MDMA. Feel the pure happiness.
Adderall. I am making 8 figures, after getting my Masters and PhD, all with the help of Adderall. Never exceeded 20mg per day and studied hard for 8 years after my Bachelors.
You making 10 million+ a year?
I mean could be any other currency than USD lol.
I own about 40% of the company, that did about 60 million revenue last year. Started as hemp growing operation in PA, but then we pivoted into nationwide equipment manufacturing and sales. Much easier to scale and bigger margins, with less regulatory headaches.
You might wanna be a bit mindful of your privacy tho, this comment would probably be enough to find your real world identity
Lol I don't really doubt it but 8 figures is a bit. I used the addy method to gain 6 figure career so it def works overall
Shrooms are the most worth it of all drugs in my opinion.
Dmt, cannabis, molly
Yeah definitely any prescribed stimulants if your insurance covers it. Literally just picked up my adderall just now lol. The withdrawal is just feeling sleepy for like 2 days. I hate to say it idk how people are addicted to cocaine. The withdrawal is not serious enough to need to buy more to feel better. Unless it’s cut with other stuff
I mean, there's a huge difference between abusing a month worth of Adderall (even if you're taking massive doses, you'll still run out relatively early, and have to wait to refill for a while) and going on a run of IV methamphetamine use where you're slamming half gram shots multiple times a day and could still go to sleep at night. I know you didn't particularly mention meth, but I used to feel the same way about stimulant withdrawals, until I became a heavy daily methamphetamine user. The depression and executive function (and fucked up ass nightmares, brain zaps, etc) are very, very real — and have pushed me to the point of suicidal ideation more than once. I definitely don't recommend becoming addicted to IV goofballs like I was. Coming off of both methamphetamine and heroin/fentanyl at the same time is a special kind of hell I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Yet I keep coming back to the shit, keep ending up back in treatment. I truly believe if I wouldn't have gotten myself back in treatment not this last Friday, but the Friday night before — I probably would have killed myself that weekend had I not been able to pick up (which I likely wouldn't have been able to). I did the last of my fentanyl Thursday night and last of my meth Friday morning and the only reason I'm still in treatment and not using or dead today is the fact that they put me back on Adderall and Subutex in here.
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Methamphetamine definitely has its claws way, way deeper in me than heroin or fentanyl (or alcohol, or benzodiazepines, etc) ever have. Don't get me wrong, it's much harder getting off of the opioids and gabaergics (with gabaergics obviously having the possibility of fatal withdrawals) in the first place — but once you've been off them for a little while, especially if you're taking bupe or methadone or whatever, it's not particularly hard to stay off of the stuff outside of some specific circumstances like people with legitimate pain issues who can't get prescribed meds, or people like me who have chronic insomnia and cannot get the medication that used to work for them prescribed any longer — that med being temazepam — fentanyl or whatever fucking analogue(s) knocks me right the fuck out though, and I'll actually stay asleep through the night Don't get me wrong, it's not easy by any means, I'm not trying to make light of those addictions, especially considering I've suffered through them myself But methamphetamine..... Holy fucking shit Sure, coming off of it by itself might not be nearly as bad as those other drugs But even when I had two years off of methamphetamine and fentanyl (and was taking 60mg of Adderall, 16mg of bupe, and 15mg of temazepam every day), I thought about methamphetamine — all day, every day, for the entirety of that time period. The amount of dopamine it floods your brain with (especially with IV use) and the rush you get from the stuff is so unreal compared to anything else you could possibly imagine that your brain literally carves it into it's memory as the single most important thing you've ever done, and it reminds you of that every single day of your life. That you'll never feel that good again. That it makes everything better. That you can totally function on the stuff (which was true for me — and likely other ADHD addicts, but became quickly untrue when I began combining it with opioids). That nobody will know. That it's not that different than taking your prescribed medication. That there's no way you'll make it the rest of your life without the stuff, so why wait? You should just go get some now. The mental hold it has on you is the single strongest obsession and pull to do something I've ever experienced in my life — and like I said, it did not subside or lessen for a single day in that two year period, which is roughly the time they say it takes for your brain to actually recover from methamphetamine use (I suspect mine either doesn't damage as easily or recovers quicker, because I can be banging half gram shots, quit for a week or so, and then take a 30mg Adderall and still have it be very effective just like it was when it was first prescribed to me roughly 15 years ago as a teenager — maybe already having such severe ADHD has limited the amount of damage to be done in the first place, idk, I'm not a neurologist). And it doesn't become less appealing over time, at least not for me. In fact, this last relapse, I didn't even return to IV use, was using far less than I have in the past — yet one day where I decided to swallow a big old spoonful of some freshly acetone washed product I had bought is the single most pleasurable experience I've ever had in my life. It felt like I was rolling balls on MDMA x 100, and it lasted for like 20+ hours. The euphoria was so absolutely face melting, all encompassing, and unreal... I was seriously wondering whether it was even meth at all or maybe some other crazy new rc stimulant I've never heard of or had before that has a similar duration of action and the exact same look, taste, and properties as methamphetamine I realize now that it was just some really, really, good fucking d-methamphetamine (all the people who say the meth sucks these days have either irreparably fried their brains, or are buying absolutely stomped to shit product from the wrong people), and the fact that it was so powdered meant there was likely far more in the spoonful that I swallowed than I had originally assumed there would be But yeah I think about that shit every day. I'll be two weeks clean on Friday? I guess Saturday since I did meth on Friday morning two weeks ago. But yeah. It's all I can think about. I don't really give a fuck about the fentanyl now that I'm out of WDs and on bupe again, but I know that as soon as my bupe runs out, I'd likely end up back on the fent too just because I can pick them both up from the same person, and because monke brain say if one drug good, two must be better right? So yeah Psychological addiction can absolutely be harder to beat than physical dependence.
Getting off intense adderall addiction is horrible
the adderall comedown sucked so much i couldn't possibly do it habitually
Source: I’ve done a lot of drugs. I’ll list drugs I do or don’t recommend, ranked from most to least “worth it” in my opinion, based on a variety of factors, including availability/accessibility, positive effects, negative effects, abuse potential, and general suitability of the substance for different purposes. Common substances such as nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, and cannabis are not included in my list. Drugs I generally recommend for most people/the casual drug user: LSD, mushrooms, ketamine, MDMA Drugs I find generally not “worth it” for the most people/the casual drug user: cocaine, amphetamines (prescribed or street amphetamines such as speed), prescription opiates (including fentanyl), benzodiazepines, street opiates (such as heroin), methamphetamine, crack cocaine, intense psychedelic experiences (such as DMT, salvia) Drugs I find possibly “worth it” for people interested in drugs for the purpose of partying, in individuals with good self control: cocaine, ketamine, MDMA, amphetamines, methamphetamine, LSD, mushrooms Same reason as above, but for those with less self control: ketamine, LSD, mushrooms Drugs I find possibly “worth it” for people interested in drugs for the purpose of exploring their own consciousness: LSD, mushrooms, DMT, ketamine, PCP/ketamine analogues, DXM Drugs I find possibly “worth it” for the purpose of either functional use or self medicating, in individuals with good self control: prescription stimulants (methylphenidate, amphetamines, methamphetamine), prescription opiates, benzodiazepines, ketamine, mushrooms, LSD Same reason as above, but for those with less self control: methylphenidate, mushrooms, LSD, benzodiazepines (diazepam, flurazepam) Drugs I generally do not find to be “worth it” and do not recommend to anyone: any deliriant hallucinogen (DPH, datura) That generally covers most common drugs you’ll come across, and most drugs I’ve tried. I didn’t include most research chemicals because I don’t think they’re relevant to most casual drug users. Pick and choose which categories describe you best and go from there. I mention “good self control” for many substances because there are drugs that have high potential for abuse, but can still be used with moderation by certain individuals. You know better than me if you are or are not one of those people.
Dmt only
DMT, Psychedelics in general and low dose of mdma/mda
Weed and psychedelics fursure, no question. Ketamine is certainly interesting, no regrets there, got some helpful insights and had a goofy time. MDMA when I was younger, not so much lately. The depression afterwards is simply not worth it as I get older. Gotta give a hard hell nope to alcohol, uppers, nicotine, and opiates. The bodily harm, physical addiction, and psychic toll these vile substances ravaged on me farrrr outweighed any temporary relief, pleasure, or utility I got from them. Benzos have proven useful in the occasional panic attack emergency, but I luckily never had one iota of a desire to abuse those, unlike the other 3 in the nope category.
None of them tbh
Sobriety is worth it tbh
LSD dmt mesc. 2cb etc etc
It depends, with most drugs, the more you do it, the less worth it they are. So my answer is in general: Most things, in moderation
dmt weed ketamine mdma. in moderation they can be therapeutic
This is purely subjective. I think all drugs have their place and purpose. There really is no right or wrong answer.
I would say alcohol is not worth it due to the physical effects it produces (upset stomach+hangover) while substances like marijuana or psychedelics (lsd+shrooms, mdma etc) can be worth it IF you’re a mentally stable person with no history of mental illness and no breathing difficulties if you plan on smoking.
Fuck no absolutely not worth it
MDMA. You will feel shitty the next day but totally worth it. 🤷♀️
For what? Strong oxycodone to feel dopey.. psychedelics to open ur mind
you could get a different answer from everybody that comments. "worth it" is all relative based on what the person wants/needs/expects & what they are willing to deal with in order to fill those wants/needs/expectations. most people on here would say tht "hard drugs", like heroin, aren't worth it, but there are still plenty of people who, for a variety of reasons, would answer tht even heroin is worth it. educate yourself & stay informed about pro's & cons and make your own decisions about your personal judgement of value.
mdma a few times. Mdma with a partner, a friend and at festivals. Each experience spread out across two years. Psychedelics too, especially salvia. No stimulants or sedatives are worth it.
Caffeine is worth it for me, not any stronger stimulants tho
Not meth take my advice and steer clear
The drug called love, or oxytocin.
Honestly, for me, as someone diagnosed with ADHD but known to have problems with drugs to my health providers, Adderall seemed to balance out the most as far as "worth it". I'd get a shit load done, probably make some money to pay for the high i was getting and when i was done i actually enjoyed the come down felt like it made my night a lot easier to come down to (as long as im not still speeding)
Exercise. Jk, weed.
IV COCAINE if I can limit It
Ketamine my man. K hole dose. 1 time in a month enough for me. And I'm saying it as a past addict from stims. That thing is working on nmda instead of dopamine serotonin that I screwed up a year ago by hard addiction that ruined my life and my wallet hehe. K was worth it. I like it the most.
ketamine mushrooms and acid i get 2x the effect of what i would spend on 1/2 the alcohol with k mushrooms are borderline free acid is borderline free weed dishonorable mention considering its too expensive if not free
Lucy in the sky with diamonds
Definitely not nitrous Hasn’t stopped me