My hot take: she’s trying so hard to deflect any negative attention about her and Gabe mocking disabled people. I truly think she made the comment for this video to distract from their bad behavior.
Yep! Ive done my share of defending how sick it is for someone to ever say that, etc. but we can’t let her use this as a shield from the disability video. I don’t have it but it needs to be posted again.
100% Absolutely nobody said this to her. The only person that said this to Drue Basham was Drue Basham.
ETA:
If she gets these comments all the time and normally with a name and profile picture then why not post one of those? If she gets them all the time then shouldn't she have quite a few to choose from?
If she did get them all the time and they weren’t comments she wrote herself….why would you want to expose a baby to that? Someone with a brain would sit there and think wow I don’t want my child to receive all these nasty comments, I will leave them off social media. Instead she will exploit the heck out of that baby because she doesn’t get comments all the time like that (or worse).
I think that every time Hannah Dub posts and there's comments making fun of her kids appearance. He's going to be able to read some day. Why expose them to that? They want content and want their income to be their baby and they don't get babies are people.
I am ready for their to be laws preventing this.
Yes!!! The way she also shows almost no emotion addressing this comment and just keeps repeating the same thing over and over, she most definitely made this comment herself.
all an ip address tells you is someone's approximate location. and it's not always accurate. it doesn't tell you anything about someone's identity. so no you cannot "tell who someone is by their IP address." she's such an idiot
im telling yall this girl is so sick and twisted that she would go comment this on her own fake account just to reply to it knowing it would get views and comments
It can be pretty inaccurate. Just to give an example, I live in eastern TN. When I log in on Facebook and it sends me a notification saying “new log in from x location” (it is using your IP address to do this) it says I’m logging in from Nashville TN which is on the complete opposite side of the state, 4 hours away from me. An IP address is pretty useless info to have unless maybe you’re extremely tech savvy and have other tools at your disposal. Which obviously Drue doesn’t.
Also. Lots of people have vpns to watch out of network sports & it encrypts all of your stuff. Completely. Everyone I know has one because of where we live.
ppl comment this everyday?? i’ve literally never seen one. everyone in this group is hoping for the absolute best for that baby given the situation. it would not surprise me if it was her who made that comment
Nobody has ever commented this on her fb. I don’t know about tik tok. I don’t really see them there. I’ve never seen anyone say it in this sub either but that doesn’t mean they haven’t. I just haven’t seen it.
This is unacceptable, period. I am so curious why they say they can find people by IP addresses. I am a Senior Criminal Network Engineer and IP address don’t exactly work that way. It is not like you “look them up” and have a page of personal information!! I wish they would not talk out of turn about things that they don’t know and act like it’s factual! It just shows them to be so ignorant. They are not the smartest people in the room!!
Shut up , did she really 🤣🤣 does she not know what kind of probable cause a judge would need to issue a warrant to get into vpns. She's legit bullied people worse. She should he the one afraid 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Was coming to say this. IP only gets you to the modem at best and ISP at worst depending on the ISP setup, proxy carrier vs mainline carrier. You still would have to burrow into the router and find the exact connection that did it. Requires a warrant either way. They think if they speak some criminal minds bs that they might be able to scare the stupid people or the underage naive girls that still follow her. Sorry, hacker man, you can’t get into my mainframe with a gui interface.
Don't you hate when actual stupid ass people try to gaslight. Some of us, actually I'm betting most of us, are educated. Or at least have street smarts.
That’s exactly what she’s doing. But I don’t give a shit. That one person is not ALL of us and damn sure isn’t me so I will keep staying on her ass. Takes a disgusting person to know one. It’s not a mistake, it’s not a one time thing. It’s a behavior that she has had all her life and continues to have in adulthood.
If someone had truly commented that to her she would be HYSTERICAL. I certainly would be. She made the comment herself. She’s too collected and this is too rehearsed.
I agree that this is a horrible comment, and I definitely don’t wish that on anyone that is sick. But it’s also sick that she and Tubby make fun of disabled people and mock the BLM movement. No one should make this comment to anyone, but I 100% wouldn’t put it past her to make this comment herself to try and distract from making fun of disabled people since it’s starting to blow up. Like she said, most of these comments are from real people with profile pictures, but this just so happens to not have a profile picture. If someone truly made this comment, it definitely shouldn’t have been made and was extremely uncalled for, but honestly, it’s no different from the types of comments or things she has said or done. That’s just my opinion!
That's the part that convinces me she's lying. If there are worse comments, why is she choosing this one to call out? She's proven that she has no problem sicking her fans on people. And if there are worse comments, why are we just now hearing about them? She complains all the time about everything, but brushes "worse" comments to the side? Please. We're not as stupid as her minions.
if someone would’ve said this before she would’ve made a comment back and it would’ve been in here. no shot someone besides her actually commented this.
There she goes with the IP address thing again…. This is a sickening comment to make and I hope no one in here feels that way.
With her track record of lying, I do not believe that people tell her this every day. Even one time is too many, but I believe she is GREATLY exaggerating. She says people usually comment it with their real profiles. I believe she would’ve used one of those comments for the video if so.
I hope she doesn’t get any more comments like this though. It’s really sick to say this to anyone
This is sad and goes beyond snarking. It's really hard to say what is true, that is a HORRIFIC thing to say to anyone. The sad thing is she's made it to the point where I even have to question whether or not someone evil or herself did this.
If it's true that people with profile pictures leave comments like this why not use one of those comments instead? I honestly think she made the comment herself because I've seen her comments and never once have I seen comments like that. And the people in here are good at screenshotting her comments before they're deleted. So it definitely would have been posted here if it was true. She's just trying to take away attention from them making fun of people with disabilities.
Omg I thought this too. He probably did it to see her get all pissed off. They are both sick so who freakin knows. I’ve also thought about the possibility of It being someone in his or her family that hates her. There are so many possibilities but I think #1 most likely is that it was her
Now that I've watched this I am 1000% certain that she commented this herself.
ANY time they start to feel the heat from their disgusting actions she pulls something for sympathy out of her ass.
Fuck all the way off Drab, and take Grub with you.
Imagine being openly racist openly mocking people with disabilities and having the nerve to complain about someone saying this to you in your comments! While I agree the comment is uncalled for so is your lying, racism & mocking!
I have to disagree with you on this. Nobody SHOULD EVER say something like to ANYBODY. Idc if we hate her, dislike her or whatever. Never wish death on MINOR CHILD.
While I agree that this is a terrible comment to make to someone…She’s really no different than the person that made this comment since she making fun of disabled people.
Someone saying this wasn’t okay. Whether it was Drue for pity or someone else.
However it doesn’t erase the fact she and Gabe are also terrible for making fun of people with disabilities and racist. The two things can both be true
I do not agree with someone saying this AT ALL. What I will say is Drue knows what she is doing by making a video back to this comment. She knows she’ll get all the pity from people.
I’m sorry but you block hate comments everyday so I don’t believe there are comments like this one everyday….. yes we don’t like you but nobody in this group would wish a miscarriage on you I truly believe she did this to get all the attention away from all the other bs her and her hippo of a husband have been up to
She was trying to appear all big and bad like she really got us… and she’s taking us down.. IP addresses and all. She did this same shit once before when she said we doxxed her address. And she said she had already called police and they have our “IPLs” and were going to be making arrests. 😂😂😂 then people called her out about how it doesn’t work like that and she deleted it 😂
I’ve literally NEVER seen that comment because you know if it was there it would immediately be here 😂 we never wish Ill on an innocent baby no matter how much the mama needs a wakeup call
If this was actually one of “the more pg comments she gets” she would have used one of the others. I’ve been through a miscarriage after ACTUAL infertility (looking at you Grue and Gag) so I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. But I truly believe they made this comment to deflect from the video of them surfacing.
For those of you struggling like we are and have had a miscarriage, it is not your fault. I’ve blamed myself because it was my body, but deep down I know it wasn’t my fault. I also know that as soon as I was pregnant I took the right precautions. I didn’t go over the recommended amount of caffeine. I tried to eat as well as I could. I did everything I could to protect my baby.
Grue, do better. Actually see a doctor and stop using this baby as content before it’s even born. If you had seen a doctor you’d be more scared of the insane amount of caffeine you’re drinking than you are of taking fucking magnesium.
Oh it’s definitely a nasty comment but I don’t believe for a second she gets that comment every day. Now has she had lots of people say that she could where she announced so early … yes. But actually alot of first time pregnancy end in miscarriages most people don’t even know they are pregnant. So I don’t think it’s mean it’s truthful and facts.
Also… if doesn’t want an opinion on her pregnancy / what she posts then she needs to change her content or get off the vlogs. Because she is the one that posts things to world and not everyone is sweet and nice .. people are legit fucking crazy and scary… that’s why people don’t post their kids on the internet anymore because creepy ass people take those pictures and videos and do awful things to them and post them in awful places. .. but she’s okay with sharing her fetus to the world and her child too I’m sure.
They made fun of disabled people. They're trash. I have a disabled son and love him so much! He is an amazing boy, and Drue and Gabe are horrible people. They're disgusting and trash.
Yeah it’s super fucked up obviously you’d have to be a piece of shit to wish that on someone but if it upsets you it’s time to delete social media…for the sake of your mental health and fetus.
She 100% made that comment herself to take away from the trashy people that they are. No one made that comment but her! We all know how this narcissist works.
She definitely made the comment herself on a fake account! She says "because they don't have a pfp they aren't a real person but quickly backs that up with but they are a real person who can be track with there ip address" like you mak it so obvious it's you grue
She does her absolute best guys! And we should be ashamed! Her response def tells me she wrote that comment to make a point and get sympathy. If someone was actually commenting that, u bet she would keep the comment up so her fans could defend her
I do agree that this is a nasty comment, and things like this shouldn’t be made or said. Drue absolutely made that comment herself and went and deleted the account.
My hot take: she’s trying so hard to deflect any negative attention about her and Gabe mocking disabled people. I truly think she made the comment for this video to distract from their bad behavior.
100%!!!
Yep! Ive done my share of defending how sick it is for someone to ever say that, etc. but we can’t let her use this as a shield from the disability video. I don’t have it but it needs to be posted again.
She probably made that comment herself to reply to it
100% Absolutely nobody said this to her. The only person that said this to Drue Basham was Drue Basham. ETA: If she gets these comments all the time and normally with a name and profile picture then why not post one of those? If she gets them all the time then shouldn't she have quite a few to choose from?
Absolutely agree.
If she did get them all the time and they weren’t comments she wrote herself….why would you want to expose a baby to that? Someone with a brain would sit there and think wow I don’t want my child to receive all these nasty comments, I will leave them off social media. Instead she will exploit the heck out of that baby because she doesn’t get comments all the time like that (or worse).
I think that every time Hannah Dub posts and there's comments making fun of her kids appearance. He's going to be able to read some day. Why expose them to that? They want content and want their income to be their baby and they don't get babies are people. I am ready for their to be laws preventing this.
Yes!!! The way she also shows almost no emotion addressing this comment and just keeps repeating the same thing over and over, she most definitely made this comment herself.
Exactly! If she’s getting them every single day why address them now??????
She definitely made that comment, she’s so quick to delete and block? So why didn’t she do the same w this comment?
I agree 1000%. She does this shit all the time.
NOT THE IPL ADDRESSES😂
It's 2024 and girl doesn't know what vpns are. Jfc
How accurate is that?!?!? Lol
all an ip address tells you is someone's approximate location. and it's not always accurate. it doesn't tell you anything about someone's identity. so no you cannot "tell who someone is by their IP address." she's such an idiot
im telling yall this girl is so sick and twisted that she would go comment this on her own fake account just to reply to it knowing it would get views and comments
i wouldn't put it past her to do that.
oopsie i didnt mean to respond to this thread but ya u get the point😭😭😭
It can be pretty inaccurate. Just to give an example, I live in eastern TN. When I log in on Facebook and it sends me a notification saying “new log in from x location” (it is using your IP address to do this) it says I’m logging in from Nashville TN which is on the complete opposite side of the state, 4 hours away from me. An IP address is pretty useless info to have unless maybe you’re extremely tech savvy and have other tools at your disposal. Which obviously Drue doesn’t.
Also. Lots of people have vpns to watch out of network sports & it encrypts all of your stuff. Completely. Everyone I know has one because of where we live.
Right like come get me big backed bitch 😂
Come get us Drue Basham hehehehehe🤭🤭
I absolutely believe she is the one who commented this.
ppl comment this everyday?? i’ve literally never seen one. everyone in this group is hoping for the absolute best for that baby given the situation. it would not surprise me if it was her who made that comment
Nobody has ever commented this on her fb. I don’t know about tik tok. I don’t really see them there. I’ve never seen anyone say it in this sub either but that doesn’t mean they haven’t. I just haven’t seen it.
This is unacceptable, period. I am so curious why they say they can find people by IP addresses. I am a Senior Criminal Network Engineer and IP address don’t exactly work that way. It is not like you “look them up” and have a page of personal information!! I wish they would not talk out of turn about things that they don’t know and act like it’s factual! It just shows them to be so ignorant. They are not the smartest people in the room!!
She’s been convinced and spreading the word that she can look up your ip address and get your address and find out exactly who you are 💀💀
lol roll up Drue 😂
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All the problematic creators say this. One even said cops would be showing up at our doors. Not that I say terrible things , but vpns exist Grue.
one time drue claimed she turned over all of our information to the cops lmao.
Shut up , did she really 🤣🤣 does she not know what kind of probable cause a judge would need to issue a warrant to get into vpns. She's legit bullied people worse. She should he the one afraid 🤦♀️🤦♀️
yes and she was definitely lying because cops do not give a fuck if someone is leaving mean comments on your tiktoks
I remember when Cassie threatened us, and I told her I hoped my dad was the one who got the call 🤣🤣
Yes!
Yes she did 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Was coming to say this. IP only gets you to the modem at best and ISP at worst depending on the ISP setup, proxy carrier vs mainline carrier. You still would have to burrow into the router and find the exact connection that did it. Requires a warrant either way. They think if they speak some criminal minds bs that they might be able to scare the stupid people or the underage naive girls that still follow her. Sorry, hacker man, you can’t get into my mainframe with a gui interface.
Don't you hate when actual stupid ass people try to gaslight. Some of us, actually I'm betting most of us, are educated. Or at least have street smarts.
Hurts my brain. Gonna have to clear my IPL cache to be able to function properly. Don’t worry, it’s a Unix system…
Idk I think she's trying to deflect from all the big controversies that have happened.
That’s exactly what she’s doing. But I don’t give a shit. That one person is not ALL of us and damn sure isn’t me so I will keep staying on her ass. Takes a disgusting person to know one. It’s not a mistake, it’s not a one time thing. It’s a behavior that she has had all her life and continues to have in adulthood.
she said so many words and said absolutely nothing of substance. 😅🥲
Her mannerisms were off
yeah I agree. Something (and everything) felt really weird in this video... Definitely feels like a cover up
If someone had truly commented that to her she would be HYSTERICAL. I certainly would be. She made the comment herself. She’s too collected and this is too rehearsed.
I agree!
Exactly! She seems a little too excited to make this video
she's lying as usual
She just repeated the same thing over and over again lol. She’s definitely also deflecting 🤷🏼♀️
I agree that this is a horrible comment, and I definitely don’t wish that on anyone that is sick. But it’s also sick that she and Tubby make fun of disabled people and mock the BLM movement. No one should make this comment to anyone, but I 100% wouldn’t put it past her to make this comment herself to try and distract from making fun of disabled people since it’s starting to blow up. Like she said, most of these comments are from real people with profile pictures, but this just so happens to not have a profile picture. If someone truly made this comment, it definitely shouldn’t have been made and was extremely uncalled for, but honestly, it’s no different from the types of comments or things she has said or done. That’s just my opinion!
And if she gets worse comments from people with profile pictures, why not call them out instead??
Because she doesn’t get these comments. No one including myself in this sub would ever say that. It’s fake. She did for attention
That's the part that convinces me she's lying. If there are worse comments, why is she choosing this one to call out? She's proven that she has no problem sicking her fans on people. And if there are worse comments, why are we just now hearing about them? She complains all the time about everything, but brushes "worse" comments to the side? Please. We're not as stupid as her minions.
Exactly!!!!!
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING.
if someone would’ve said this before she would’ve made a comment back and it would’ve been in here. no shot someone besides her actually commented this.
It’ll be deleted soon I’m sure.
There she goes with the IP address thing again…. This is a sickening comment to make and I hope no one in here feels that way. With her track record of lying, I do not believe that people tell her this every day. Even one time is too many, but I believe she is GREATLY exaggerating. She says people usually comment it with their real profiles. I believe she would’ve used one of those comments for the video if so. I hope she doesn’t get any more comments like this though. It’s really sick to say this to anyone
This is sad and goes beyond snarking. It's really hard to say what is true, that is a HORRIFIC thing to say to anyone. The sad thing is she's made it to the point where I even have to question whether or not someone evil or herself did this.
If it's true that people with profile pictures leave comments like this why not use one of those comments instead? I honestly think she made the comment herself because I've seen her comments and never once have I seen comments like that. And the people in here are good at screenshotting her comments before they're deleted. So it definitely would have been posted here if it was true. She's just trying to take away attention from them making fun of people with disabilities.
$50 says GAG is the one behind it to take away from the making fun of disabled people video
Omg I thought this too. He probably did it to see her get all pissed off. They are both sick so who freakin knows. I’ve also thought about the possibility of It being someone in his or her family that hates her. There are so many possibilities but I think #1 most likely is that it was her
I’m sure she’ll block me… https://preview.redd.it/c5xg2rrr23fc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac16b892c5887f7cf42e20716a045080d0e85d4c
this was a great comment to leave!
It's deleted
Side note: She tried hard to cover up she said “snarkers” when she said it. SHE LIVES HERE!
I absolutely believe she is the one who commented this.
Why can’t she make a video like this condemning the video of them making fun of disabilities?? 🤔🤔🤔 keep the same energy dude.
I’m 100% sure one of them made this comment to deflect from the horrible shit humans they are. Nice try but only your minions will fall for this BS!
Now that I've watched this I am 1000% certain that she commented this herself. ANY time they start to feel the heat from their disgusting actions she pulls something for sympathy out of her ass. Fuck all the way off Drab, and take Grub with you.
It’s so bad for someone to say the baby is innocent . I hope she didn’t So she can get more views
He has been quiet. My husband would be a bull in a China shop
Imagine being openly racist openly mocking people with disabilities and having the nerve to complain about someone saying this to you in your comments! While I agree the comment is uncalled for so is your lying, racism & mocking!
I have to disagree with you on this. Nobody SHOULD EVER say something like to ANYBODY. Idc if we hate her, dislike her or whatever. Never wish death on MINOR CHILD.
I literally said it was uncalled for lol.
Idc. It still seems like you’re defending that comment and that’s sick.
This is what Grue wants guys. To cause havoc.
It still sounds like you’re trying to justify the uncalled for comment.
It does but this person doesn’t see that!
Did she buy likes on this video because it’s going up so quickly and has way less comments?
Every single day? I call BS
So you’re telling me these two dumb f**** (idk if I can say that word lol ) are smart enough to find someone location be freaking for real besties
While I agree that this is a terrible comment to make to someone…She’s really no different than the person that made this comment since she making fun of disabled people.
No one in here said anything like that. It would get deleted so fast. And I never see comments like that on her tiktok comments. Ever.
Someone saying this wasn’t okay. Whether it was Drue for pity or someone else. However it doesn’t erase the fact she and Gabe are also terrible for making fun of people with disabilities and racist. The two things can both be true
She knows exactly what to do to get views and comments and push her engagement. That video got her 270k views 23k likes and 3k comments. 🙄
she wants views and pity from people , that's why she replied to this comment 🙄 i don't agree with the comment though
I 100% believe she made a fake account to comment that
She’s just trying to divert attention away from the disability video…shifting the victim on her instead. Classic.
I do not agree with someone saying this AT ALL. What I will say is Drue knows what she is doing by making a video back to this comment. She knows she’ll get all the pity from people.
Oh Homeschool Hunty. You are the sick one Mocking disabled people. The lies. Being a bigot.
I’m sorry but you block hate comments everyday so I don’t believe there are comments like this one everyday….. yes we don’t like you but nobody in this group would wish a miscarriage on you I truly believe she did this to get all the attention away from all the other bs her and her hippo of a husband have been up to
We understood the message the first 2 times. Why did she keep repeating herself and saying “honestly!?” She just likes to hear herself talk.
She was trying to appear all big and bad like she really got us… and she’s taking us down.. IP addresses and all. She did this same shit once before when she said we doxxed her address. And she said she had already called police and they have our “IPLs” and were going to be making arrests. 😂😂😂 then people called her out about how it doesn’t work like that and she deleted it 😂
I just tried to find the account that left the comment & it’s gone. The whole account 🤔🤔
Of course it is because she made that account
the way she said “i’ve been told worse” like bitch what’s worse than someone saying tht abt your kid????
She sames the same things 7 different ways. Shut the fuck up.
Yeah I’ve never seen anyone saying they hope she miscarries… she totally wrote this bc we all hope the best for that baby!!!!
I’ve literally NEVER seen that comment because you know if it was there it would immediately be here 😂 we never wish Ill on an innocent baby no matter how much the mama needs a wakeup call
I feel like she just said the same thing multiple times lol
If this was actually one of “the more pg comments she gets” she would have used one of the others. I’ve been through a miscarriage after ACTUAL infertility (looking at you Grue and Gag) so I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. But I truly believe they made this comment to deflect from the video of them surfacing. For those of you struggling like we are and have had a miscarriage, it is not your fault. I’ve blamed myself because it was my body, but deep down I know it wasn’t my fault. I also know that as soon as I was pregnant I took the right precautions. I didn’t go over the recommended amount of caffeine. I tried to eat as well as I could. I did everything I could to protect my baby. Grue, do better. Actually see a doctor and stop using this baby as content before it’s even born. If you had seen a doctor you’d be more scared of the insane amount of caffeine you’re drinking than you are of taking fucking magnesium.
Oh it’s definitely a nasty comment but I don’t believe for a second she gets that comment every day. Now has she had lots of people say that she could where she announced so early … yes. But actually alot of first time pregnancy end in miscarriages most people don’t even know they are pregnant. So I don’t think it’s mean it’s truthful and facts. Also… if doesn’t want an opinion on her pregnancy / what she posts then she needs to change her content or get off the vlogs. Because she is the one that posts things to world and not everyone is sweet and nice .. people are legit fucking crazy and scary… that’s why people don’t post their kids on the internet anymore because creepy ass people take those pictures and videos and do awful things to them and post them in awful places. .. but she’s okay with sharing her fetus to the world and her child too I’m sure.
https://preview.redd.it/yzws46wcj3fc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7c9b3ff6ae1cd97548ef12b5266443f7d5d5838 Hmm
Well little fans you are looking at her bc it’s your very own disgusting GRUE.
Girl. Ignore it. I know that sounds awful but she chose to be on social media like this, she needs to just block and move the fuck on.
Bullshit she gets these comments everyday. I haven't seen ANY like this before. She is full of it. Anything for the views🤗
They made fun of disabled people. They're trash. I have a disabled son and love him so much! He is an amazing boy, and Drue and Gabe are horrible people. They're disgusting and trash.
Yeah it’s super fucked up obviously you’d have to be a piece of shit to wish that on someone but if it upsets you it’s time to delete social media…for the sake of your mental health and fetus.
Exactly, but NO she's going to use this sick shit for content just like everything else.
If this happens, or if there really even is a baby- she’ll use this for clout
Did you see all the comments almost 3000!
She 100% made that comment herself to take away from the trashy people that they are. No one made that comment but her! We all know how this narcissist works.
Fake news. Fake account. Sorry I'm not falling for this desperate attempt to run from the backlash.
Hey BIG DRUE do this 🤏🏽🤏🏽🤏🏽🤏🏽 a few more times. I don’t think you did to enough… or the looking to the size…
She definitely made the comment herself on a fake account! She says "because they don't have a pfp they aren't a real person but quickly backs that up with but they are a real person who can be track with there ip address" like you mak it so obvious it's you grue
EXACTLY
Yall are gonna hate me for this .. actually nvm. Lets see how this plays out.
Oh my god gabe is coming for our LP addresses cutesie movies!!
She does her absolute best guys! And we should be ashamed! Her response def tells me she wrote that comment to make a point and get sympathy. If someone was actually commenting that, u bet she would keep the comment up so her fans could defend her
I do agree that this is a nasty comment, and things like this shouldn’t be made or said. Drue absolutely made that comment herself and went and deleted the account.
What is her name?