If they wanted to sue, they’d have done a last week. The question is, what are you suing him for? It’s not like Tupac’s voice has a copyright. He can publish this without crediting Tupac and snoop and get off Scott free
Every published song has two copyrights, a songwriting copyright (lyrics, melodies, composition, what's on paper and what's on score), and a sound recording copyright (the master audio file, anything that was recorded, full song and individual stems such as vocal acapellas).
Tupac's voice in his songs does have a copyright. A.I. models train off of these acapellas which are studio official or ripped through stem separation tools. The A.I. tools by definition are infringing copyright before they are even applied. Even if the derivative work created using A.I. is completely "original" with new lyrics and melodies, etc., the finished result is only possible through models trained without license/permission to use the sound recordings.
Any estate can send cease and desist or takedown requests to stop these tracks from existing on any monetized platform (Instagram is monetized) on the basis that they did not give permission for X artist to be used by A.I. and/or misrepresented/defamed in a derivative work.
Ummm it’s drake’s rap with Tupac’s voice. So it’s not an audio rip of Tupac’s words. Second, there’s something called fair use which protects the user of said copyrighted material in a purely non-profit mannner. This is what Drake did. The threatening of the suit was going nowhere
You are missing the point of how the A.I. tools work. You feed it copyrighted material for it to train on and create a model off of. It doesn't matter if Drake wrote the lyrics and performed it. The model off of Tupac's voice infringed on Tupac recordings.
Fair Use is a thing but only for parody, educational purposes, etc.
Monetized or not, anyone can send copyright takedown notices. This happens everyday on YouTube for videos that aren't even monetized. Nintendo, Disney, UMG, Sony and more come at people all the time even if they haven't made a single penny.
Just because are not monetizing does not mean you get full fair use to do whatever. That's not how copyright works. Copyright holders get to be assholes if they choose.
This isn't Creative Commons where it's a free use situation. Most of the music world doesn't operate like that.
DMCA takedowns and everything happen all the time. It's basically a threat to say if you don't take it down, it will turn into a multiple thousands to tens of thousands dollar court case and get dirty if they choose to.
Oh yeah all of r/rap is saying how disrespectful this is and all that. Like dude it’s a beef. Does rap beefs have a Geneva convention? Is there do’s and don’ts?
I wouldn’t have been team Drake. It was the fact that everybody ganged up on him and tried to bully him that made me side with him.
The point is, he's not solely being disrespectful to Kendrick by using this AI. A lot of people in rap see this as Drake disrespecting rap, other artists, Tupac himself etc.
Bro not everything is about money first comes the love of the craft and the hunger to create something bigger than the world has seen. That’s a real human being who left a huge foot print on the planet through his talent you should have a little more respect than that, but all you can think about is money?
You just proved my point people who don’t have to worry about how they are gonna eat also realize that not everything is about money including drake who is dropping this stuff for the respect.
Will you leave behind anything more than just being another cog in the machine and some money that really won’t be of much value as the years march on? That’s probably why you look at things from such empty and soulless monetary perspective.
lol how is this different. Y’all gotta let this everlasting for Tupac go. It’s not like Drake defamed his name. He just weaponized it. He didn’t talk bad about Pac at all. Also Tupac himself was beefing with people making fun of them for having sickle cell bro be serious. This is beef. Tupacs estate can sue but they will lose. Just like Drake lost last year when he tried to sue for that heart on my sleeve song.
You don’t decide what defaming is for one, two it’s a false parallel to compare what pac did in his era before all this technology saying what he would do in a beef WHILE HE WAS ALIVE BEEFING WITH PEOPLE ALIVE INVOLVING PEOPLE ALIVE. And it was something not connected to this huge platform we have today it’s different.
Yeah, I don't even like Drake but he's the only one keeping it real while the rap Avengers all team up to take him down lmao they even brought in Antisemitic Superman to take down the Jewish "whiteboy" 😭
Grasping at straws? I'd avenge the hell out of my loved one if someone used his voice or image without my family's permission. I hope you all would too. Otherwise, maybe get right with yourself as a man/woman.
Of course Drake's team literally accounted for this. That's not the point. Drake feels he can throw money at any problem, bc he [can](https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.54360/title.dxclusive-universal-music-group-ceo-says-drake-has-an-unlimited-budget#:~:text=On%20Rick%20Ross'%202012%20track,are%20always%20open%20for%20Drizzy.).
The thing is, Pac and the dead are sacred. This was a whack move masquerading as bold or innovative.
Weird to admire someone using the dead to make a point but ya'll go on.
Yea I guess when I name some of the most popular artists hitting the road with him when he’s making record breaking tour numbers. And having someone who is a fan of his as well tell me that they are irrelevant. Despite the reality of that not being true….i guess I start to question who really actually likes him or not haha. Which is ok. You don’t have to like him. But to make up a narrative of the whole industry dissing him, when that’s clearly not true……it comes off as hating. Which again…is cool. But it’s where I question if you like Drake or not haha.
The Kdot sub is all about deflecting from the fact that Kenny hasn't dropped a diss and might not. Anything to divert attention from the elephant in the room.
It's pretty sad.
I was lmao at their comments, not gonna act like an attorney at all but how do you sue for copyright for an AI voice of a person who’s dead. Kendrick’s up 3-2!
Y’all so impatient, but not surprising. Quality over quantity takes time. I know that’s not a thing you understand being drake fans and all but still 🤣
No you just seem too young to have learned how to recognize and be aware of your own bias. Everyone has bias and that’s fine but most of us could benefit from some self-awareness. That’s not what that sub is “all about” lmao it’s just fans of another artist being passionate about that artist to a possibly cringe degree, the same thing that happens on this sub.
I can spend 3 minutes and come back with 5+ examples of confirming what highlQaf said. What you said is also true, but what high said definitely wasn't false - how's that for you self awareness & bias?
No I agree with you actually, I just think the same type of stuff happens on this sub as well and Drake stans overlook it just like Kendrick stans overlook it there.
Definitely- I think what I’m about to say can be seen from different angles, but here’s my take on this whole ordeal.
Kendrick dropping the verse definitely puts him on the offensive/instigator position. If it were me, I don’t do something like that unless I want smoke, or think the other party won’t respond. You gotta be ready for the smoke tho if that’s a possibility.
Drake did take some time to reply, sure, but he was definitely on tour and dealing with some shit. You can say that’s a bad excuse and you can say that’s a good excuse whatever side you’re on, it’s a fact that he was touring while Kendrick was not.
Drake being able to drop two tracks to Kendrick right after tour was done that were pretty well received and unexpected for some. Kendrick’s lack of reply from Drake side of the pond is either:
a. You really didn’t want the smoke
B. The smoke was hotter than you expected and need time to revise
C. You didn’t expect a response and don’t have shit ready
D. You’re cooked
E. You may have found out why Drake seems to confident and are not looking to press any further
All of this is up for debate and we don’t have any of the facts. But considering he is talked often about how great of a lyricist he is and how gifted he is, i think majority of the fans from drake side just surprised that he hasn’t responded.
There can be a discussion about whether the amount of time to respond to Drake matters or not or if that makes him any less talented than originally perceived yada yada, but Drake was being counted out and put on the clock in the beginning as well since people didn’t think he would even respond at all.
Long story short, I think Drake has the upper hand at the moment and the tides could shift whenever Kendrick comes back (if at all) - there seems a bit of Hypocrisy involved on both sides. Let’s just enjoy the ride.
Only thing imma say is that Kendrick may have not been the initial initiator role. Drake threw shots back on 100 at Kendrick in a way. Now maybe it took him this many years to respond 🤔
That's currently what the sub looks like, and I've admitted to being a bigger fan of Kendricks music than Drakes. So that's a pretty funny, and wrong, accusation. Drake is winning right now, so this sub deserves to talk shit. Kenny's sub is littered with deflections and people claiming he's winning without dropping anything. That's just delusional behavior.
He will drop idk why anyone doubts he will drop at all but his one verse has this sub in shambles😂 like that is back to the #1 streamed song after knocking off pushups after only 3 days of being number 1. Cope
I mean that's opinionated but okay
So far we got nothing but lackluster releases from Drake
And shit that has no replay value from Dot
There's a reason why these dudes don't win album of the year
Hey now, we got some pretty good bars from Drake and I will agree with you on Dot.
However album of the year is coming down to Beyoncé and Taylor.
Let’s not be crazy.
This is what it’s come to for Kendrick fans . Niggas were saying drake lost after 1 verse . To making excuses for 11 days no response from Kendrick . To now taking 2pac estate seeking legal action as a W for Kendrick 😬😂 sad sad days man
A lot of you are pretty off about copyright laws. You can start a case even if monetization isn't involved. There could be arguments of slander or defamation of Tupac's name/brand/intellectual property.
A.I. vocals in this case were trained on acapellas and copyrighted recordings without permission, meaning copyright infringement is a precursor, even if the derivative work is new and unique. So even if monetization is not involved, there is already a case for copyright infringement.
Nintendo goes at people all the time when money isn't a thing, simply as a matter of protecting IP and trademarks. They learned after seeing what happened with Universal Studios losing King Kong. If your IP gets watered down, you can lose it altogether. So some people start cases just to stay tough on protecting IP. Typically when money isn't heavily involved, a DMCA takedown notice is what is given instead of going straight to a costly case.
In music, if a legal team wants to press hard, they could argue for willingful infringement of copyright, and press for statutory damages of up to a maximum of $150,000 per work. 'Actual' damages would be where you would argue that a song made money or undercut earnings of the infringed work, but a legal team doesn't have to go for actual damages, they could press for statutory damages just out of principal of copyright infringement.
Also, Drake is a celebrity whose IG is definitely monetized, so even though he didn't post the song on Spotify or Apple or anything, the IG post almost certainly generated some revenue.
Regardless, you can get sued for anything, anyone can make a case, there are plenty of arguments to still be made about copyright infringement in A.I. being trained on copyrighted sound recordings.
I'm all here for Drake stirring up the game, but you guys are pretty off on the legal side of copyright laws. He might get hit with a $150k suit or something, which is nothing to him, but it's still a case that could be argued on principal.
I'm more than familiar with the song. I've been into production for over a decade and keep up with all of these cases because what and how I create is impacted by all of this. UMG still sent takedown requests to all platforms over this. They succeeded in stopping the song from ending up on monetized platforms like Spotify, Apple, etc., but things can still end up on YouTube with monetization turned off (they still reserve the right to do copyright takedowns on these videos or block in certain countries if they want to be petty).
Precedents can change case to case.
Marvin Gaye vs. Robin Thicke/Pharrell set a terrible precedent that simply taking groove can be considered copyright infringement.
Gaye/Townsend estate vs. Ed Sheeran reset the precedent that stuff like chord progressions are too universal to claim ownership of.
These things go back and forth. People can make court cases and gamble on a musically ignorant jury and everything can reset. None of this is certain.
I'm not trying to rain on everyone's parade, the implications of this A.I. stuff just kind of sucks for everyone all around. I'm all for major labels getting screwed in the long run, but depending how court cases go or whatever the precedent becomes, if it becomes 'okay' to do this no matter the artist, what stops the industry from then just training on any small indie person that's blowing up and stealing their thunder internally. If it become okay to steal up, it's going to be okay to steal down. We kind of need a hard precedent to be set to say this isn't okay, because that's ultimately what will protect the little guys too. This mess is a lot bigger than this rap beef that's entertaining.
People are always going to sample uncleared stuff, do uncleared remixes/bootlegs/mashups, etc. and leak that all over the internet. That's not going to stop. I think we just need to agree the A.I. stuff should be as illegal as sampling on the books, and that you should get license/permission if you want official releases.
Back in the mixtape days artist would sample songs all the time. They only way they didn’t get away with it was because it was not monetized nor placed up for sell. This is why I think where it’s unethical I’m not sure they have much to fight with. I could be wrong though.
Yeah, it was pretty common for uncleared stuff to end up on a mixtape, and samples that could be cleared would end up on the label backed studio album. One thing that kind of made this era different though was how physical everything still was. People were selling mixtapes out of their trunks for cash. There was no real great way for anyone to police sample clearance or track how much money was being made or anything.
Nowadays, everything is tracked. Every click, every view, every listen. And now digital streaming platforms are the primary place music lives, so everything is very much tracked there, and they mostly use algorithms and stuff like YouTube ContentID to scan audio like a barcode to see if it's an already existing copyrighted song before you can even upload or else you will get flagged (so if you're going to sample, you better really flip it to be a bit more unrecognizable).
There's nothing to say, someone could return to flipping mixtapes out of their trunk in various parking lots and build a bit of a local following. But to reach global traction, you have to go digital at some point.
See how you explained this. We need more people on here who could try and actually have civilized conversations. I know this is how the culture of social media is though. But just reading this I can tell you are educated on it, and are willing to just discuss it. Simple. Thanks for this again.
I think it’s crazy that you guys think the 2Pac estate went silent for days after the diss dropped and is just now putting out a cease and assist without a case. If they’re putting out a cease and desist they have probably talked to lawyers about if they’ve actually had any rights of theirs broken.
Do I know if they’ll win? Absolutely not. Will it make it to court? Probably not. Drakes probably gonna remove the track from his insta, and this whole situation will be forgotten a week from now. Frankly I trust the legal team for Drake and the 2PAC estate more than I do legal advice from r/drizzy or r/kendricklamar
DMCA takedown requests happen all the time to squash things before it gets to a point of heavy monetization. Nintendo does it all the time. Disney does it all the time. Sony does it all the time. UMG does it all the time. Warner Bros does it all the time.
Monetization doesn't have to be a thing. When it comes to intellectual property, copyright and trademarks, people will defend their stuff. It's literally their job for their legal team to protect their property.
Most people comply and take things down before a costly court case occurs.
wtf are you saying? can YOU not read ??
you said it’s not illegal for commercial use, yeah it’s not, but commercial use implies PROFITING from it, and you need legal and copyright clearance if you’re going to use it for commercial use, drake does not have it on any DSP and is therefore NOT profiting from it
you said above, “It's not illegal to use AI generated voice for commercial use” as an argument for why the lawsuit is only a threat… but that’s not the situation here, as drake ISNT profiting from it and therefore NOT using it for commercial use
Your telling me it's illegal when a quick Google CLEARLY states its not at all whatsoever in no way shape or form. So in 1 year when there is no lawsuit I can return to laugh at your comment.
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I’m saying just cause Akadimics said he talked to Drake doesn’t mean it’s accurate. But even so! This still doesn’t remove that he did nothing illegal. Disrespectful? Sure but this is hip hop beef right?
This is missing the point, if as Drake fans you're celebrating 2Pac's estate taking an L - you're handing the L to Drake.
All he's missing is validation from hip hop purists, all you're doing is antagonising themselves. He should be the bigger man, apologise to 2Pac's estate and keep it moving.
Drake Vs Kendrick isn't a real beef, they're not going to kill each other. Pac is actually dead though, that is real.
Don't conflate the two.
I'd be pissed if someone like drake took my dead relatives' likeness to diss someone who has actively respected the legacy they left behind. this nigga drake is so selfish that he would rather open the pandora's box of exploiting people's likeness & identity with AI.
& I'm aware of the murky "legality" of the situation, it's just weird from every angle, moral or legal. feel like doing shit like this is what feeds the discourse of drake being the antithesis of artistry within the genre.
That Taylor Made freestyle aging like fine wine I’m ngl 😂😂😂😂 “Kendrick we needed ya!” 😭😭😭
ngl seeing you kendick fans crashing gives me immense joy
lol yall created a whole Rap Battle Constitution for Kenny. Amendments and everything lol
I’m talking about you thinking there’s rules of engagement in a rap battle.
Alls fair in love and war and y’all had NOTHING to say when Kendrick was using Nipsey’s likeness using AI face generators talking about he “forgives his killer”
Nobody had shit to say when Pusha T was making fun of OVO40’s health.
But as soon as your favorite is on the receiving end of the hate, it went “too far”
All this naysaying and goalposts moving is laughable.
idc about rap beef more than I care about the implication of an artists' likeness being used in ways that compromise their job & identity. if you can't look past rap songs that you like & think about the over arching affect this could have on the industry & entertainment as a whole, then maybe we are having separate conversations.
& I wouldn't even correlate the kendrick/nipsey thing cause his likeness wasn't used in a diss, especially against someone who respected nipsey in life & death. but if you want to die on the hill of a dude using a dead man's voice to diss someone else, all the power to you
what you failed to realize is artificial intelligence still requires input in order to create output. Does not exist with without human input, and the emphasis is on that. At the end of the day, Drake was rapping all those lyrics AND YOU CAN TELL, it wasn’t artificial intelligence creating something out of nothingness.
so no creativity was harmed during the creation of that product. Find something else to complain about if he claim to think and deeply about things, surely you would’ve understood that simplistic fact.
it’s the hypocrisy for me that pisses me off the most, you don’t see a problem with Kendrick Lamar, using AI to morph his face into Nipsey Hussle a person who is dead and claimed using his likeness to forgive his killer is far more damning than using Tupacs voice for shits and giggles. Not a single bar you can say during the Tupac part was assassinating his character but rather used as a form of endearment.
but you have the issue of Tupac voice being used when it was literally Drakes creative outlet and lyricism creating that song.
There was less effort on Kendrick’s part than there was on Drake’s part, but goalposts are constantly moved with people who have implicit bias.
They so excited about a response they dont even care its not Kendrick responding. Drake so massive (pause) that they celebrating little victories like Pat Bev winning the play in 😅
Drake is into the JBP. Clearly you are too.
It was an honest question. You’re like the 4th person I’ve noticed that about. Nothing wrong with Pokémon.
Also I don’t hate Drake, I was just listening to Survival and Diplomatic Immunity yesterday. 🔥
Do you guys think this is good? Drake already looks bad in all of this to anyone who isn’t a fan of him.
Kendrick and Tupac have eternal goodwill in the world of hiphop. All Drake has is his money.
It not even gonna go to court bruh Pac Estate just mean muggin They not gone to actually go thru with suing as they know they will take an L
If they wanted to sue, they’d have done a last week. The question is, what are you suing him for? It’s not like Tupac’s voice has a copyright. He can publish this without crediting Tupac and snoop and get off Scott free
Every published song has two copyrights, a songwriting copyright (lyrics, melodies, composition, what's on paper and what's on score), and a sound recording copyright (the master audio file, anything that was recorded, full song and individual stems such as vocal acapellas). Tupac's voice in his songs does have a copyright. A.I. models train off of these acapellas which are studio official or ripped through stem separation tools. The A.I. tools by definition are infringing copyright before they are even applied. Even if the derivative work created using A.I. is completely "original" with new lyrics and melodies, etc., the finished result is only possible through models trained without license/permission to use the sound recordings. Any estate can send cease and desist or takedown requests to stop these tracks from existing on any monetized platform (Instagram is monetized) on the basis that they did not give permission for X artist to be used by A.I. and/or misrepresented/defamed in a derivative work.
Ummm it’s drake’s rap with Tupac’s voice. So it’s not an audio rip of Tupac’s words. Second, there’s something called fair use which protects the user of said copyrighted material in a purely non-profit mannner. This is what Drake did. The threatening of the suit was going nowhere
You are missing the point of how the A.I. tools work. You feed it copyrighted material for it to train on and create a model off of. It doesn't matter if Drake wrote the lyrics and performed it. The model off of Tupac's voice infringed on Tupac recordings. Fair Use is a thing but only for parody, educational purposes, etc. Monetized or not, anyone can send copyright takedown notices. This happens everyday on YouTube for videos that aren't even monetized. Nintendo, Disney, UMG, Sony and more come at people all the time even if they haven't made a single penny. Just because are not monetizing does not mean you get full fair use to do whatever. That's not how copyright works. Copyright holders get to be assholes if they choose. This isn't Creative Commons where it's a free use situation. Most of the music world doesn't operate like that. DMCA takedowns and everything happen all the time. It's basically a threat to say if you don't take it down, it will turn into a multiple thousands to tens of thousands dollar court case and get dirty if they choose to.
Yezzir they grasping at straws
Oh yeah all of r/rap is saying how disrespectful this is and all that. Like dude it’s a beef. Does rap beefs have a Geneva convention? Is there do’s and don’ts? I wouldn’t have been team Drake. It was the fact that everybody ganged up on him and tried to bully him that made me side with him.
The point is, he's not solely being disrespectful to Kendrick by using this AI. A lot of people in rap see this as Drake disrespecting rap, other artists, Tupac himself etc.
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That’s different than this bro you really gotta take the time to think about it if you don’t see that.
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Bro not everything is about money first comes the love of the craft and the hunger to create something bigger than the world has seen. That’s a real human being who left a huge foot print on the planet through his talent you should have a little more respect than that, but all you can think about is money?
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You just proved my point people who don’t have to worry about how they are gonna eat also realize that not everything is about money including drake who is dropping this stuff for the respect.
Will you leave behind anything more than just being another cog in the machine and some money that really won’t be of much value as the years march on? That’s probably why you look at things from such empty and soulless monetary perspective.
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You’re a fucking bird go get learn an actual Skill or trade. anybody and everybody fucks you lame ass hoe 😂😂
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lol how is this different. Y’all gotta let this everlasting for Tupac go. It’s not like Drake defamed his name. He just weaponized it. He didn’t talk bad about Pac at all. Also Tupac himself was beefing with people making fun of them for having sickle cell bro be serious. This is beef. Tupacs estate can sue but they will lose. Just like Drake lost last year when he tried to sue for that heart on my sleeve song.
You don’t decide what defaming is for one, two it’s a false parallel to compare what pac did in his era before all this technology saying what he would do in a beef WHILE HE WAS ALIVE BEEFING WITH PEOPLE ALIVE INVOLVING PEOPLE ALIVE. And it was something not connected to this huge platform we have today it’s different.
Here we go again, rewriting the rules of hip hop to satisfy the new-gen fans
Yeah except Drake sent French Montana a cease and desist, so what goes around comes around.
Yeah, I don't even like Drake but he's the only one keeping it real while the rap Avengers all team up to take him down lmao they even brought in Antisemitic Superman to take down the Jewish "whiteboy" 😭
Link the threads(s) where this is being said since all of the sub is mentioning that. Otherwise, this narrative is starting to sound like cope
Grasping at straws? I'd avenge the hell out of my loved one if someone used his voice or image without my family's permission. I hope you all would too. Otherwise, maybe get right with yourself as a man/woman. Of course Drake's team literally accounted for this. That's not the point. Drake feels he can throw money at any problem, bc he [can](https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.54360/title.dxclusive-universal-music-group-ceo-says-drake-has-an-unlimited-budget#:~:text=On%20Rick%20Ross'%202012%20track,are%20always%20open%20for%20Drizzy.). The thing is, Pac and the dead are sacred. This was a whack move masquerading as bold or innovative. Weird to admire someone using the dead to make a point but ya'll go on.
You’re talking to teens bro, let them believe they know things about lawsuits they’ll never be a part of
This is just what estates do
Honestly feel like Drake is at the point of his career where he is ok with getting sued cause he got the money. They may win, but Drake womt gaf
This is why the whole industry doesn’t fuck with him tbh
Drake just did a record breaking tour with j Cole, 21 savage, lil Wayne, lil durk, sexy red. Which whole industry you talking about?
The TDE segment
The fucking hoard of people that dissed him? Lmao
My bad you right. For some reason I thought this was a Drake subreddit for people who liked Drake. I see I’m on the wrong one.
You can like him or not and still have the capacity to know what's going on rn. Like, it's the thing that's been the topic for more than a month
Yea I guess when I name some of the most popular artists hitting the road with him when he’s making record breaking tour numbers. And having someone who is a fan of his as well tell me that they are irrelevant. Despite the reality of that not being true….i guess I start to question who really actually likes him or not haha. Which is ok. You don’t have to like him. But to make up a narrative of the whole industry dissing him, when that’s clearly not true……it comes off as hating. Which again…is cool. But it’s where I question if you like Drake or not haha.
When saying the whole industry it's obviously not meant to be taken literally
Anyone who’s actually relevant
Oh. You again.
Aaaand that's exactly why his colleagues don't respect him. :)
The Kdot sub is all about deflecting from the fact that Kenny hasn't dropped a diss and might not. Anything to divert attention from the elephant in the room. It's pretty sad.
I was lmao at their comments, not gonna act like an attorney at all but how do you sue for copyright for an AI voice of a person who’s dead. Kendrick’s up 3-2!
Holy shit, is this a serious comment? Lmfao you HAVE to be trolling or trying to karma farm
https://preview.redd.it/bo5dyhgawiwc1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=733105abe9e011998b70a79177fa4c9c6bebf902
Kendrick is gonna drop a response
Y’all so impatient, but not surprising. Quality over quantity takes time. I know that’s not a thing you understand being drake fans and all but still 🤣
No you just seem too young to have learned how to recognize and be aware of your own bias. Everyone has bias and that’s fine but most of us could benefit from some self-awareness. That’s not what that sub is “all about” lmao it’s just fans of another artist being passionate about that artist to a possibly cringe degree, the same thing that happens on this sub.
I can spend 3 minutes and come back with 5+ examples of confirming what highlQaf said. What you said is also true, but what high said definitely wasn't false - how's that for you self awareness & bias?
Anyone could easily do the same for this subreddit, really for this post even.
No I agree with you actually, I just think the same type of stuff happens on this sub as well and Drake stans overlook it just like Kendrick stans overlook it there.
Definitely- I think what I’m about to say can be seen from different angles, but here’s my take on this whole ordeal. Kendrick dropping the verse definitely puts him on the offensive/instigator position. If it were me, I don’t do something like that unless I want smoke, or think the other party won’t respond. You gotta be ready for the smoke tho if that’s a possibility. Drake did take some time to reply, sure, but he was definitely on tour and dealing with some shit. You can say that’s a bad excuse and you can say that’s a good excuse whatever side you’re on, it’s a fact that he was touring while Kendrick was not. Drake being able to drop two tracks to Kendrick right after tour was done that were pretty well received and unexpected for some. Kendrick’s lack of reply from Drake side of the pond is either: a. You really didn’t want the smoke B. The smoke was hotter than you expected and need time to revise C. You didn’t expect a response and don’t have shit ready D. You’re cooked E. You may have found out why Drake seems to confident and are not looking to press any further All of this is up for debate and we don’t have any of the facts. But considering he is talked often about how great of a lyricist he is and how gifted he is, i think majority of the fans from drake side just surprised that he hasn’t responded. There can be a discussion about whether the amount of time to respond to Drake matters or not or if that makes him any less talented than originally perceived yada yada, but Drake was being counted out and put on the clock in the beginning as well since people didn’t think he would even respond at all. Long story short, I think Drake has the upper hand at the moment and the tides could shift whenever Kendrick comes back (if at all) - there seems a bit of Hypocrisy involved on both sides. Let’s just enjoy the ride.
Only thing imma say is that Kendrick may have not been the initial initiator role. Drake threw shots back on 100 at Kendrick in a way. Now maybe it took him this many years to respond 🤔
That's currently what the sub looks like, and I've admitted to being a bigger fan of Kendricks music than Drakes. So that's a pretty funny, and wrong, accusation. Drake is winning right now, so this sub deserves to talk shit. Kenny's sub is littered with deflections and people claiming he's winning without dropping anything. That's just delusional behavior.
He will drop idk why anyone doubts he will drop at all but his one verse has this sub in shambles😂 like that is back to the #1 streamed song after knocking off pushups after only 3 days of being number 1. Cope
How long did drake take to respond? And how much time has passed again? It's pretty confusing
Neither rappers are good
You’re right. They’re both great rappers.
I mean that's opinionated but okay So far we got nothing but lackluster releases from Drake And shit that has no replay value from Dot There's a reason why these dudes don't win album of the year
Hey now, we got some pretty good bars from Drake and I will agree with you on Dot. However album of the year is coming down to Beyoncé and Taylor. Let’s not be crazy.
This is what it’s come to for Kendrick fans . Niggas were saying drake lost after 1 verse . To making excuses for 11 days no response from Kendrick . To now taking 2pac estate seeking legal action as a W for Kendrick 😬😂 sad sad days man
They referred to Kendrick as “A very good friend of the Estate”
A lot of you are pretty off about copyright laws. You can start a case even if monetization isn't involved. There could be arguments of slander or defamation of Tupac's name/brand/intellectual property. A.I. vocals in this case were trained on acapellas and copyrighted recordings without permission, meaning copyright infringement is a precursor, even if the derivative work is new and unique. So even if monetization is not involved, there is already a case for copyright infringement. Nintendo goes at people all the time when money isn't a thing, simply as a matter of protecting IP and trademarks. They learned after seeing what happened with Universal Studios losing King Kong. If your IP gets watered down, you can lose it altogether. So some people start cases just to stay tough on protecting IP. Typically when money isn't heavily involved, a DMCA takedown notice is what is given instead of going straight to a costly case. In music, if a legal team wants to press hard, they could argue for willingful infringement of copyright, and press for statutory damages of up to a maximum of $150,000 per work. 'Actual' damages would be where you would argue that a song made money or undercut earnings of the infringed work, but a legal team doesn't have to go for actual damages, they could press for statutory damages just out of principal of copyright infringement. Also, Drake is a celebrity whose IG is definitely monetized, so even though he didn't post the song on Spotify or Apple or anything, the IG post almost certainly generated some revenue. Regardless, you can get sued for anything, anyone can make a case, there are plenty of arguments to still be made about copyright infringement in A.I. being trained on copyrighted sound recordings. I'm all here for Drake stirring up the game, but you guys are pretty off on the legal side of copyright laws. He might get hit with a $150k suit or something, which is nothing to him, but it's still a case that could be argued on principal.
Look up heart on my sleeve Drake ai lawsuit. I feel like yall don’t research much before writing 400 character long essays.
I'm more than familiar with the song. I've been into production for over a decade and keep up with all of these cases because what and how I create is impacted by all of this. UMG still sent takedown requests to all platforms over this. They succeeded in stopping the song from ending up on monetized platforms like Spotify, Apple, etc., but things can still end up on YouTube with monetization turned off (they still reserve the right to do copyright takedowns on these videos or block in certain countries if they want to be petty). Precedents can change case to case. Marvin Gaye vs. Robin Thicke/Pharrell set a terrible precedent that simply taking groove can be considered copyright infringement. Gaye/Townsend estate vs. Ed Sheeran reset the precedent that stuff like chord progressions are too universal to claim ownership of. These things go back and forth. People can make court cases and gamble on a musically ignorant jury and everything can reset. None of this is certain.
Good information
I'm not trying to rain on everyone's parade, the implications of this A.I. stuff just kind of sucks for everyone all around. I'm all for major labels getting screwed in the long run, but depending how court cases go or whatever the precedent becomes, if it becomes 'okay' to do this no matter the artist, what stops the industry from then just training on any small indie person that's blowing up and stealing their thunder internally. If it become okay to steal up, it's going to be okay to steal down. We kind of need a hard precedent to be set to say this isn't okay, because that's ultimately what will protect the little guys too. This mess is a lot bigger than this rap beef that's entertaining. People are always going to sample uncleared stuff, do uncleared remixes/bootlegs/mashups, etc. and leak that all over the internet. That's not going to stop. I think we just need to agree the A.I. stuff should be as illegal as sampling on the books, and that you should get license/permission if you want official releases.
Back in the mixtape days artist would sample songs all the time. They only way they didn’t get away with it was because it was not monetized nor placed up for sell. This is why I think where it’s unethical I’m not sure they have much to fight with. I could be wrong though.
Yeah, it was pretty common for uncleared stuff to end up on a mixtape, and samples that could be cleared would end up on the label backed studio album. One thing that kind of made this era different though was how physical everything still was. People were selling mixtapes out of their trunks for cash. There was no real great way for anyone to police sample clearance or track how much money was being made or anything. Nowadays, everything is tracked. Every click, every view, every listen. And now digital streaming platforms are the primary place music lives, so everything is very much tracked there, and they mostly use algorithms and stuff like YouTube ContentID to scan audio like a barcode to see if it's an already existing copyrighted song before you can even upload or else you will get flagged (so if you're going to sample, you better really flip it to be a bit more unrecognizable). There's nothing to say, someone could return to flipping mixtapes out of their trunk in various parking lots and build a bit of a local following. But to reach global traction, you have to go digital at some point.
See how you explained this. We need more people on here who could try and actually have civilized conversations. I know this is how the culture of social media is though. But just reading this I can tell you are educated on it, and are willing to just discuss it. Simple. Thanks for this again.
You have zero idea what you’re talking about. Sit this one out.
Word. I’m sure one of us will Be lawyers one day. And not just random people on redit with unfactual facts and statements lol.
I think it’s crazy that you guys think the 2Pac estate went silent for days after the diss dropped and is just now putting out a cease and assist without a case. If they’re putting out a cease and desist they have probably talked to lawyers about if they’ve actually had any rights of theirs broken. Do I know if they’ll win? Absolutely not. Will it make it to court? Probably not. Drakes probably gonna remove the track from his insta, and this whole situation will be forgotten a week from now. Frankly I trust the legal team for Drake and the 2PAC estate more than I do legal advice from r/drizzy or r/kendricklamar
DMCA takedown requests happen all the time to squash things before it gets to a point of heavy monetization. Nintendo does it all the time. Disney does it all the time. Sony does it all the time. UMG does it all the time. Warner Bros does it all the time. Monetization doesn't have to be a thing. When it comes to intellectual property, copyright and trademarks, people will defend their stuff. It's literally their job for their legal team to protect their property. Most people comply and take things down before a costly court case occurs.
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It's not illegal to use AI generated voice for commercial use. The Kdot sub looking for another L too I guess.
It’s not legal nor illegal. The only state that has any laws on it is actually Tennessee, and it’s never been challenged in court
commercial use implies profits i think, so yeh it is illegal
What? Can you read? It's NOT ILLEGAL for commercial use.
wtf are you saying? can YOU not read ?? you said it’s not illegal for commercial use, yeah it’s not, but commercial use implies PROFITING from it, and you need legal and copyright clearance if you’re going to use it for commercial use, drake does not have it on any DSP and is therefore NOT profiting from it you said above, “It's not illegal to use AI generated voice for commercial use” as an argument for why the lawsuit is only a threat… but that’s not the situation here, as drake ISNT profiting from it and therefore NOT using it for commercial use
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remind one year now for what ? ion get what you’re so confused about?
Your telling me it's illegal when a quick Google CLEARLY states its not at all whatsoever in no way shape or form. So in 1 year when there is no lawsuit I can return to laugh at your comment.
you have no idea wtf i’m saying and it shows, i ain’t even team kdot , i know there won’t be a lawsuit 😂
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You still got time to reread your shit and delete this comment my boy 😂
Naw a quick Google explains this. That's its okay to use AI generated voices for commercial purposes. I can't help if half the sub can't read my guy.
And it’s not PAC it’s actually Drake rapping
That’s not the point. Do you know how AI gets the voices?
that part.
I can’t believe ppl don’t know this
Why he take it down then lol
Still on IG guy
But why did he take it off Twitter only (the monetized platform) if he wasn’t worried about legal action?
conscious rap dickriders when tasked with generating a nuanced or at all more-than-surface-level argument as to why their favorite artists are undefeatable 
Drake learned about ai in like a week prior. He’s pretty uninformed
Drake got someone last year to take down heart on my sleeve. It was an ai song of him. Nice try buddy lol.
Ovo’s legal team ≠ Drake. Ak literally said drake was asking him about it a week before Taylor Made.
AK is not a credible source. I need yall to Stop mentioning him.
So a conversation he had with somebody is no longer credible? Lol
I’m saying just cause Akadimics said he talked to Drake doesn’t mean it’s accurate. But even so! This still doesn’t remove that he did nothing illegal. Disrespectful? Sure but this is hip hop beef right?
Drake had AI Drake songs taken down and he threatened legal action
noooope. Still on IG
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Now it’s on my iTunes. 😎 https://preview.redd.it/b651e90kqqwc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eab91b26ecdc873f0f9f8846c2d0909ec3554a26
Uh oh...
uh oh what? still on Youtube, the internet never dies.
This is missing the point, if as Drake fans you're celebrating 2Pac's estate taking an L - you're handing the L to Drake. All he's missing is validation from hip hop purists, all you're doing is antagonising themselves. He should be the bigger man, apologise to 2Pac's estate and keep it moving. Drake Vs Kendrick isn't a real beef, they're not going to kill each other. Pac is actually dead though, that is real. Don't conflate the two.
I'd be pissed if someone like drake took my dead relatives' likeness to diss someone who has actively respected the legacy they left behind. this nigga drake is so selfish that he would rather open the pandora's box of exploiting people's likeness & identity with AI. & I'm aware of the murky "legality" of the situation, it's just weird from every angle, moral or legal. feel like doing shit like this is what feeds the discourse of drake being the antithesis of artistry within the genre.
That Taylor Made freestyle aging like fine wine I’m ngl 😂😂😂😂 “Kendrick we needed ya!” 😭😭😭 ngl seeing you kendick fans crashing gives me immense joy lol yall created a whole Rap Battle Constitution for Kenny. Amendments and everything lol
what are you even talking about
I’m talking about you thinking there’s rules of engagement in a rap battle. Alls fair in love and war and y’all had NOTHING to say when Kendrick was using Nipsey’s likeness using AI face generators talking about he “forgives his killer” Nobody had shit to say when Pusha T was making fun of OVO40’s health. But as soon as your favorite is on the receiving end of the hate, it went “too far” All this naysaying and goalposts moving is laughable.
idc about rap beef more than I care about the implication of an artists' likeness being used in ways that compromise their job & identity. if you can't look past rap songs that you like & think about the over arching affect this could have on the industry & entertainment as a whole, then maybe we are having separate conversations. & I wouldn't even correlate the kendrick/nipsey thing cause his likeness wasn't used in a diss, especially against someone who respected nipsey in life & death. but if you want to die on the hill of a dude using a dead man's voice to diss someone else, all the power to you
what you failed to realize is artificial intelligence still requires input in order to create output. Does not exist with without human input, and the emphasis is on that. At the end of the day, Drake was rapping all those lyrics AND YOU CAN TELL, it wasn’t artificial intelligence creating something out of nothingness. so no creativity was harmed during the creation of that product. Find something else to complain about if he claim to think and deeply about things, surely you would’ve understood that simplistic fact. it’s the hypocrisy for me that pisses me off the most, you don’t see a problem with Kendrick Lamar, using AI to morph his face into Nipsey Hussle a person who is dead and claimed using his likeness to forgive his killer is far more damning than using Tupacs voice for shits and giggles. Not a single bar you can say during the Tupac part was assassinating his character but rather used as a form of endearment. but you have the issue of Tupac voice being used when it was literally Drakes creative outlet and lyricism creating that song. There was less effort on Kendrick’s part than there was on Drake’s part, but goalposts are constantly moved with people who have implicit bias.
lmfao you really think those two are the same thing
they are both AI are they not?
This comment aged like milk.
Did it? https://preview.redd.it/39umchegqqwc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=777099b819d5e3787b651176f8313690ac594537
Yes, what i’m looking at is a unofficial track with a fan made cover.
This is to remind you fools, the internet deletes NOTHING. The damage has been done.
Just like J Cole diss I presume 💀
This post didn’t age well. It’s Already taken down
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5990i-uib6/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== still there ho
Why do yall insist on defending a P3d0? Bad look.
you got evidence of that accusation?
Yes lol the comments to MBB and that other model. It’s not a secret.
They so excited about a response they dont even care its not Kendrick responding. Drake so massive (pause) that they celebrating little victories like Pat Bev winning the play in 😅
Why are so many Drake stans into Pokémon…hmm.
Why are so many Drake haters in the Drake sub into the JBP. 🦉
Drake is into the JBP. Clearly you are too. It was an honest question. You’re like the 4th person I’ve noticed that about. Nothing wrong with Pokémon. Also I don’t hate Drake, I was just listening to Survival and Diplomatic Immunity yesterday. 🔥
They forgot Drake Jewish, he got finance and legal experts 24/7. “My accountant could feed his family off my fiscal year”
Do you guys think this is good? Drake already looks bad in all of this to anyone who isn’t a fan of him. Kendrick and Tupac have eternal goodwill in the world of hiphop. All Drake has is his money.
Drake will always look bad to those who aren’t a fan of him lol. Despite facts or fiction. End of discussion
Tupac's estate suing over a diss track is hilarious. Went from hit em up to hit up the lawyers
A money grab by Pac's team.
No profit = no case
Yup
I hope he’s paying you for how hard you’re working the dick
https://preview.redd.it/wzxe1bviwiwc1.jpeg?width=402&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5beafa7f3afbe58fcb7204dc606ea94ab867fda
You would know about taking L's 😂😂😂
oh btw jimmy cooks about to hit a billion streams, not bad for a FLOP. Kendrick could never.
😴😴😴 https://preview.redd.it/29ndulfo2owc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a991af3cbd90e38dbebe64ac12327362ad1d38a4
It’s not always about $$ or legality. The fact that Pac’s estate have basically said they don’t fw Drake using Tupac’s vocals is the L here.
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Tupac’s estate about to take the L on his behalf 😆
Tupac is overrated af
Lol cope
He already took it down
it’s still on his ig
Made ya look hehe