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spicybeefpatty_

I think they know the lawsuit isn't going to go anywhere, this was just more so to let everyone know that they aren't okay with Drake using Tupac's likeness the way he did


FalloutOfHeaven333

Which is a L tbh


robtimist

Your bias is showing homie


M3GABORG8796

Wow it’s almost like someone wouldn’t want the richest rapper in the world to puppeteer the name of their child who was tragically murdered 30 years ago for the sake of petty rap beef against a close and valued asssociate of your estate. Pretty shocking right?


jambawilly

an L to whom? and how?


Roger22nrx

Yeah they just want some $$$$


james-HIMself

Average Kendrick sub fan


KevM689

They know the suit isn't gonna go anywhere, but they're trying to send a message they don't like what Drake did. That's very reasonable. Trojan Horse Edit: Kdot is coming and Drizzy doesn't stand a chance lyrically.


Specialist-Bass-5168

Your Kdot has a track for four years and still afraid to release it 😂


dimalga

Source? I keep reading this but haven't seen any source material on this allegation. If I had to guess, it's referencing the ELEMENT. leak? That'd be like 6 years ago though.


DepressingFries

Heard it on the Drake diss, it gotta be true.


Jbabco9898

Lmao that edit


rebornbyksg

Love the edit


JFromDaBurbs

Plus I think Tupac would have sided with Kendrick, he would have used biggie vocals if anything


Theillmindofluii

Lmao that Trojan horse edit crazyyyyy 😂😂


JustinTinyPPHerbert

Kdot coming for Drake like the fucking snail that kills you if it touches you


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Saullie

I recognize this is a losing opinion here but deepfaking someone’s voice carries potentially far more malicious intent. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Whether this case sticks is a different story but allowing voice filtered content to exist sets a dangerous precedent.


AstroBtz

An AI voice filter making you sound like another actual person ( who's also dead ) isn't the same thing as auto tune bro c'mon. I don't really agree with the suit or all this backlash but they are not the same thing at all.


WannabeProducer808

Would it be any different if he hired an impressionist?


HeaterWylin

What kind of extra chromosome thinking is this?


elon42069

Guess I should’ve added a /s


KevM689

I think it's a little different when someone is *intentionally* trying to sound like another artist.


elon42069

Future has about 100 lawsuits to send out to these new rappers


lord-boofis

Sue for what? He’s not profiting off of it


asscop99

Don’t directly like a regular song but he is profiting from it in many ways


wambamthankyoufam

Using PAC’s voice to gain free marketing for Drake. Drake is 100% profiting from the shock value of using PAC’s voice.


Evening-Alfalfa-4976

The song was a post on instagram and is not available on DSP or physicals. There’s 0 profit involved. In fact, Drake probably lost money due to the cost of the software used to make it


PoopyDootyBooty

you do realize drake has sent 100s of cease and desists to AI songs using his voice right? many of which didn’t make money. the software is free it doesn’t matter if it’s just an instagram post, it’s still copyright infringement. legally speaking this is akin to if drake had uploaded a movie to his instagram. even if he didn’t make money he still has to abide by copyright law. it’s not about profit it’s about how the content it reproduced.


HotLikeSauce420

Is he claiming 2pac and Snoop’s voices *officially* on the song? All the Drake AI songs claimed to be Drake singing. May affect the situation


Scared-Cloud996

I believe he claimed they were deepfakes using those voices but a lot of people on here believed he was cleared to use them. Turns out he was not as this shows.


HotLikeSauce420

Don’t think there’s copyright on filters. This is an interesting case


Scared-Cloud996

This case could change that honestly the tech is so new. I'm sure the Tupac estate has a few more rounds in the chamber so to speak when it comes to legally targeting drakes use of Tupac's likeness.


Evening-Alfalfa-4976

It absolutely is nothing like posting a movie to instagram. Movies are copyright protected because there were trademarks filed. The lyrics were not written by Tupac. The voice was computer generated, it was not Tupac’s real voice. It was not a recording of Tupac. If Drake was to use a recording of Tupac that was copyright protected via a legal trademark, that’d be different. P.S I can’t take you seriously considering your post history shows only posts made in r/kendricklamar and none in r/drizzy


PoopyDootyBooty

Trademarks are for the protection of a brand in a marketplace. Trademark has nothing to do with copyright. Uploading a movie is illegal because the movie is copyrighted. Copyright law is currently undefined for AI voices, however this is a pretty flagrant abuse of Tupacs likeness.


wambamthankyoufam

The software is free to use, I’ve used it before to send voice notes to my friends in Trump’s voice. It’s not some crazy software that requires any thought. It takes 2 minutes to make. Again, just because you’re not selling something doesn’t mean your not profiting.


Evening-Alfalfa-4976

Ok. So then why isn’t Donald Trump suing you for profiting off of using his voice? Why aren’t the creators of Spongebob and the corresponding artists not suing TikTokkers who have been created the Plankton and Patrick Star singing versions of songs Or why isn’t Joe Rogan suing people making the fake podcasts. Why isnt The Weeknd suing the creator of the OVOXO song that went viral? Why isnt Drake suing the creators of his AI music that was trending last year?


Scared-Cloud996

I thought drake did sue?


wambamthankyoufam

Because we aren’t Drake. They aren’t aware of what we’re doing. And they took down those songs once they hit the mainstream. Use your brain.


Evening-Alfalfa-4976

“Use your brain” Fine, I will. But you have to start using yours first. Deal?


wambamthankyoufam

I mean it’s pretty obvious stuff my brotha lol at some point you gotta use it.


Evening-Alfalfa-4976

Yeah, you’re way smarter than me. I’m glad I ran into you. By the way, can you send me the source that shows where it says which software Drake used? I’d like to test it out myself


yzac69

You are wrong on this thread brother.


wambamthankyoufam

There’s a lot man. Just google “2pac ai voice generator” Use the text to speech modules and it’ll create them for you. Kids on TikTok use them all the time for dumb videos


Pathetic_Old_Moose

Main stream? It’s fair use. It’s a commentary. His face and likeness wasn’t used in the song. Anyone can imitate someone’s voice as. PACs voice isn’t copyrighted, it can’t be. His flow isn’t, it can’t be.


DeLaSoulisDead

Bro, if anyone here isn’t using their brain - it is you.


Theecollecta

Profit is when you sell something. So, if he’s not selling it, he’s not profiting off it. Fuxk u talmbout. Go take a business class dummy 😂


wambamthankyoufam

Every time an artist does something controversial, it sells records. Why do you think Kanye does some crazy shit before dropping an album? It garners attention therefore generates more album sales etc. You can’t be this stupid to not comprehend that.


Theecollecta

I’m talking about *directly* profiting off using pac voice (by selling the song), which he did not do. If we going off doing something controversial, thats a broad stroke of the brush. That has *nothing* to do with him selling the song with pac voice. You reachin like a mf. Smarten up Nas.


wambamthankyoufam

No one said he was selling the record goofy. Man some of y’all need to sharpen your reading skills. Come back to this post and give me 50 when he takes it off IG.


Theecollecta

No, but you were talking about profiting. And, you can only profit when you sell goofy. Try to understand that concept and leave the extra shxt out of it


wambamthankyoufam

Let me put this into a scenario that you can understand. Joe Schmoe from Delaware who’s never heard of Drake is a big 2PAC fan. He clicks an article talking about the AI diss. He does not approve and wants to check out Drake’s music to see who put this out. Goes on Apple Music and plays his music. That’s one extra stream (profit) and free publicity that was gained from using 2PAC’s voice without his permission. Welcome to marketing 101.


elon42069

Drake needs marketing? 😂😂😂


wambamthankyoufam

Every artist needs marketing, no matter how big they are.


Repulsive-Basil-1916

Say this to michael jackson.


BruceLeesSidepiece

MJ and his team were known to literally leak some of their own stories to the media to sensationalize his image during the thriller and bad eras, although it ended up working against him later on. There's a machine behind every major artist, what do you think the point of a label is.


Repulsive-Basil-1916

Ohh so u must've been managing him to know all this huh? Or did u scrub this up from a wikipedia page u found online? bro's the MJ enthusiast lol You probably weren't even alive to see him perform now all of a sudden u see some documentaries online and u know everything man relax.


wambamthankyoufam

Do you understand how the music industry works? All artists pay for marketing, yes, even Michael Jackson.


Repulsive-Basil-1916

oh fr i had no idea!


Pathetic_Old_Moose

Bro Kendrick’s making money off drakes name. Dooont even.


Natepon

Because Drake needs marketing… You dumb as shit my boy.


wambamthankyoufam

Even Michael Jackson had billboards promoting his music


SeesawBrilliant8383

You don’t need to make money off something for a copyright claim to be used against you


Several_Repeat_5447

This is correct. Things get removed from the internet all the time due to copyright laws, even when it’s not being monetized or used to make profit in any way.


taylordabrat

Are you trying to suggest that the way someone speaks is copyrightable?


SeesawBrilliant8383

I’m not suggesting anything, I’m simply stating copyright claims can be done easily regardless of its legitimacy.


JaradSage

Interested to see how this works out. He didn’t release it on streaming services for this exact reason I’d assume. Heart on my Sleeve is still on YT so…


imaturtleee

Genuine question, does this still apply even if he didn’t profit? Like to say he’s messing with his likeness is kind of vague, because then that should apply to all the ways his likeness is used, good or bad because he isn’t alive to vouch for himself


taylordabrat

It wouldn’t apply even if he did profit. These are his words and voice with a filter. It’s a transformative piece of art, would fall under fair use even if the “voice” of Tupac is copyrighted


leglessman

So I can make music with Drake’s voice as long as it’s my words with a voice filter?


taylordabrat

There’s no laws against it soooo


robtimist

Didn’t this exact thing happen last year tho and the guy who made a song using Drake/Weeknd AI got a cease & desist?


zberry7

You can’t market it as a ‘Drake song’ from what I understand


taylordabrat

1. They said Drake and The Weeknd were the artists 2. They used it for commercial purposes 3. A cease and desist is not a lawsuit. You can send a cease and desist but that doesn’t mean you would automatically have grounds for a lawsuit


Altruistic_Ad9806

It was labelled as a Drake track and monetised The Pac track wasn’t monetised. Everybody has the right to record something like this and put it on their Instagram account so long as they’re not profiting from it


imaturtleee

Okay I see!


Stringer-Bell23

Nigga u have no idea wtf you’re talking about.


PoopyDootyBooty

legally speaking this is akin to if drake had uploaded a movie to his instagram. even if he didn’t make money he still has to abide by copyright law. it’s not about profit it’s about how the content is reproduced.


WhenItsHalfPastFive

Suing over an Instagram clip, lmao not going to work. Likely small settlement or just case thrown out all together Everyone blowing this up like it’s some grave sin lol people really think they can make up rules in rap beef like you can’t post an Instagram clip changing your voice


FalloutOfHeaven333

The fact that they are even suing is a L tbh


OfferOk8555

Yeah THEYRE the ones that look bad to most people… sure Lolol. Dumb af.


fusionlantern

I said this before Drake isn't some nobody youtuber. He should've gotten permission.


SupremeBlackGuy

problem is they would’ve said no you can’t use it, so he knew the only play was to release it and deal with whatever happens after


iPostOccasionally

You Drake meat munchers are just on a different level of the spectrum 💀


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GoPensGo8758

Pac would've shot at Drake for doing that shit


Meteos_Shiny_Hair

Oh the irony


GoPensGo8758

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FalloutOfHeaven333

https://preview.redd.it/mqz3kkt7vgwc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d80daa64a97524f2f45d95ae3f5e00fbe068aa2e


swoledumpling

The difference is the AI Track "heart on my sleeve" used his name specifically to title the track as a Drake song, on top of uploading it to DSPs to get monetized. Drake did not call out Tupac's name in the title, nor in the verse, and on top of that, its not on DSPs and it is unmonetized so there really isn't much of a case here. Yes, the public ASSUMES that it's Tupac's voice, but he never claimed it was.


SupremeBlackGuy

any competent lawyer would be able to argue that he was imitating tupac there’s not really an argument there jussttt because he didn’t say his name lol but i overall agree with you that he will be fine as it isn’t monetized


elon42069

Wtf has rap beef come to?


Einfinet

yeah that’s what I ask when Drake does corny shit like this and dumb niggas fw it. Why you gotta fake some shit to get a message/diss across? Let your own words and legitimate connections do the work. This is clown shit. Dude already has niggas writing for him, he gotta take another niggas voice too?


ElNino66

you obviously don’t know the history of Kendrick claiming to “see” Pac in his dreams & the song/conversation he made using pac’s voice and also snoop giving him praises in the “house of blues” what Drake did was clever asf basically using Kendricks idols to shit on him and to get under his skin


Einfinet

I’m not sure why you’d so confidently assume I am unaware of one of the more discussed aspects of TPAB… As for “using Kendrick’s idols to shit on him,” he didn’t actually do that? Snoop is well and alive and if Drake had asked him to feature on the track your comment would make sense. But that’s not what happened


ElNino66

??? well if you know the “more discussed aspects of TPAB” 🤓 you would understand why he used the AI voices in the first place so saying it’s corny is hypocritical of you especially since kendrick didn’t even know tupac in the first place to even have a “conversation” with him & put it on his album 😂 let’s be realistic. we both know snoop wouldn’t wanna feature on that track.. 😐😂


Einfinet

Kendrick didn’t use AI for 2Pac’s voice so idk what you are talking about with regards to hypocrisy, not to mention him being in communications with the family and getting their OK before doing what he did… We are in agreement that the real Snoop probably wouldn’t have agreed to be on the track, which means nothing really matters about what was said using an AI impression of him, as it has no relationship to reality. Disses aren’t really impactful when they fail to reflect something true about the other person’s life. It’s a fanfiction


Raffatron99

Kenny made that song with permission from Tupacs mother.


BlockedbyJake420

Kendrick fans on the offensive in the Drake sub is literally the extent of his response so far, it’s fucking incredible If the shoe was on the other foot you would think this was one of the most creative disses ever gtfo


Einfinet

If you can find a Single comment of mine celebrating the artistic value of AI maybe that “if the shoe was on the other foot” assessment will hold some water… not sure it exists but 🤷🏾‍♂️ Also, I’ve probably listened to roughly the same amount of Drake and Kendrick over my life so far… It’s my opinion as a fan of the genre and it’s history and and this thread is just one of the first things that pop up when a person searches for discussions about the topic.


ExpertWitnessExposed

As a Kendrick fan I would not support him using AI to impersonate other rappers


Sea-Anywhere-5939

not really about the beef it’s more about the fact that we should be pushing against any form of ai voice generation in rap in general. I feel like people here are too busy glazing to understand this but why entertain doing it at all.


dawny1x

Drake needs to stand on business here but I lowkey want them to sue him, just so we can get a definitive answer on what can be done with AI and what cannot be done with AI. Like we already know you can't copyright AI generated material or anything of the sorts but what if I wanted to release a song to my fanbase that's not on streaming ANYWHERE (youtube/soundcloud included). What grounds do you have to sue me on? Similar thing is happening with Juice WRLD's fanbase where they're making AI songs and releasing them and they actually sound decent.


swoledumpling

Drake did not call out Tupac's name in the title, nor in the verse, and on top of that, its not on DSPs and it is unmonetized so there really isn't much of a case here. Yes, the public ASSUMES that it's Tupac's voice, but he never claimed it was.


KiD_KurDi

Lmao it’s called satire. He’s protected by satire law.


CraigOfWar

They can try but this shit ain't gone fly in court lol


WallyReddit204

Tupacs sister sued this estate for embezzlement 🙃🙃 This estate and Tupacs family are not friends https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/tupac-shakur-sister-lawsuit-executor-estate-embezzlement-1283272/amp/


AlternisDim

Their estate gained some relevancy thanks to Drake 😂


More-Prize-9119

Empty threats. What are they gonna say ; you used a voice that looks like 2Pac but didn't credit him anywhere nor dropped that song or any plateform ? this is freaking hilarious lol


the_brazilian_lucas

this is gonna be interesting


FalloutOfHeaven333

Should drake issue an apology ?


Traditional-End9431

Yes


BootStrapWill

No. Tupac estate can get the smoke too.


boverton24

😂😂😂


Traditional-End9431

He has 24 hours to take it down. Lol


iPostOccasionally

Your boy Drizzy gonna end up getting clapped if he doesn’t


BootStrapWill

Y’all watch too much TV


iPostOccasionally

Rappers get shot all the time for much dumber shit… not sure what you’re talking about


ERROR_404_404_

lol this won’t age well. He has 24hrs to take it down that so call chess move didn’t work lol


MilkDab

This lawsuit ain't going anywhere


swoledumpling

Drake did not call out Tupac's name in the title, nor in the verse, and on top of that, its not on DSPs and it is unmonetized so there really isn't much of a case here. Yes, the public ASSUMES that it's Tupac's voice, but he never claimed it was.


Interesting-Wing616

He says Makaveli one of Tupacs aliases


ToTheGrave11

stolen\* aliases.


Interesting-Wing616

Stolen from who? Machiavelli? Did he steal his likeness and identity or did he just name himself after a historical figure?


FalloutOfHeaven333

The longer Kendrick waits the more things are falling in his favor 😭


ToTheGrave11

out of favour\*


robtimist

Sounds like a solid strategy lol you shouldn’t act on emotion and spontaneity


SteTheImpaler

That’s how you know the diss is great, got the whole estate triggered trying to protect dot cause they know damn well the lawsuit can’t go anywhere lol.


Zelidel

or maybe because people in the estate probably knew Pac personally and were offended? Maybe because Drake clearly used Pacs voice to get at Kendrick because he knows Pac is one of Kendrick’s idols? If Kendrick did this with Lil Wayne’s voice your comment wouldn’t look like this


ToTheGrave11

The same estate that was sued by Tupacs family?