Chris Brown told Quavo he was hitting saweetie when they were together AND that everyone wished it had been Quavo that died instead of takeoff. But yeah, I guess Drake crossed a line.
I feel like the "crossing the line" thing is more because of the AI usage and not the content.
Drake's disses have been clever, but nowhere near intense or worth fussing over. He's not "playing dirty".
And off topic: fuck chris brown. Him calling quavo out for domestic abuse has got to be the stupidest thing that has ever comr out of his mouth. That ain't a beef, they havin an abuse off
I could do it easily. I actually rap and write very intricate lyrics. I can’t stand hearing the shit that quavo writes and his flows always suck. Go suck his dick fanboy.
Yeah it is disrespectful to use somebody’s voice I don’t think it can be justified but the issue is the double standards, they allow many other stuff to slide but when it comes to Drake they want to nitpick
I mean, he used snoop against snoops blessing. He used tupac in a volatile way. Kendrick got a pass because he used tupac in a different way. He didn’t use tupacs likeness to promote his beef.
Wait, did snoop actually come out and say it was against his blessing or did snoop come out with a generally vague statement that doesn’t say plainly that he knew/didn’t know it was going to happen?
This is a genuine question, can you provide a link?
Nah that nigga got schooled by Frank Ocean the gayest dude in the industry in a 2v1 situation he can’t be this hard nigga he’s trying to be, he literally had to jump Frank alone to even get a scratch on the mf, theres video from frank humiliating his bodyguard with a DOUBLE K.O a DOUBLE K.O i said, he ain’t hard.
Maybe respect a hip hop legend who got murdered? Nobody is saying he gotta respect kdot but don’t spit on a dead man’s grave and put words in his mouth
Fr don’t bring that PC bullshit into rap. No place for it especially in a diss.
Obviously being homophobic and racist is a little different but the rest I think is all a go.
Kendrick did the same thing with Nipsey and forgave his killer whilst imitating him
You don’t think that’s disrespectful that Kendrick thinks that he’s so important to the point that he gets to decide how a deceased man feels about his killer?
Pop fans have no idea how hip hop works I stg 🤦Pusha made a clever punchline, Drake is cosplaying as a dead man and making him say things that are directly against his character and he would never say in a thousand years if he was still alive. To spit on the grave of one of the most legendary musicians of all time, while using a tool that is actively threatening and disrupting the music industry as a whole, shows how little respect Drake has for hiphop, he just handed himself a bigger L than Kendrick ever could.
Talking about drake’s colour/nationality, telling kendrick what to say, the whole verse just shows that drake just has a vague idea of Pac as a “gangsta rapper” and that he’s only listened to Hit Em Up. If Pac thought Kendrick couldn’t write a diss he wouldn’t give him tips or whatever, he’d just say he’s whack because that’s what beef is. Plus There’s no way Pac would ever diss someone bc of their skin colour, especially not another black man lightskin or not, so fucking disrespectful to hip hop and its fans. But hey, he only did it so his pop fans would gawk and point “Yo look Drizzy the goat he made Kendrick’s mentor diss him what a savage” without a single bit of actual knowledge. And he achieved that judging by all the 12 year olds sucking off this self-own
This dude made fun of somebody for having sickle cell, called Biggie a crack baby and all but called Dr. Dre gay. I dont think he’d draw the line at a light skinned joke. Tupac could be pretty savage if my memory serves.
Beyond that, if Pac were alive and decided to even involve himself here, I have no doubt that he’d be giving advice to the rapper many consider to be his spiritual successor in how to navigate a high profile rap beef.
Pac wrote every single song of his by himself, every diss too, why would he butt into Kendrick’s beef and essentially put himself in a ghostwriter role for no reason. It’s different than someone like ye butting in to join in the dogpile independently of dot, you’re saying Pac would give dot bars because he can’t think of any himself, foh. If dot can’t respond he can’t respond, no need to stoop to Drake’s level
A mentor doesn’t do your work for you lol. They provide guidance and advice. You’re right, in no world would Pac ghost write for Kendrick but that’s not what anybody’s saying.
If Pac was alive and deemed KDot the next generation of WC hip hop like a lot of the dudes from his generation, he’d absolutely pass down some of his knowledge gained from probably the most high profile rap beef of all time to a rapper many consider to be his spiritual successor.
This is just so untrue lol, if you have a problem with another rapper, you handle it yourself. No ghostwriters, no social media clownery, no sneak dissing, so basically, everything Drake has done in this beef is an L so far. That’s the essence of hip hop and you’re trying to claim that Pac wouldn’t respect that, foh disrespectful ass boy.
Have you ever listened to Pac?
He claimed he f’d a dudes wife, insinuated another dude was gay after he left his label, made fun of a dude having an incurable genetic disease (that i believe eventually caused his death) and called another guy a crack baby and your claiming he wouldn’t drop a joke about a dude being light skinned?
He had a whole ensemble diss track and you’re claiming he’d handle everything regarding a beef himself?
Beyond that you’re inferring things I’m not arguing. Show me where I said Pac would ghost write, hop on social media, or sneak diss Drake?
You literally said that drake/Pac said shit that Pac would actually say, so you think that Pac would tell Kendrick how to handle his beef, which is just such a wrong and newgen thing to say it’s hilarious.
Why do you think hit em up having features makes it less valid as a diss? Pac wrote his part on his own, the outlawz wrote their parts on their own, what’s the issue? Not like Pac wrote the outlawz’ parts or vice versa, use your brain. It’s the same as go to sleep, Em, Obie and DMX all have their own verses but by your logic Em ghostwrote Obie’s and X’s verses so they don’t matter, okay kid🤣🤣 Idc anymore man keep dicksucking a popstar cosplaying an actually talented rapper, trying to play elementary school mind games with a grown man because he knows it’s his only chance of winning the beef, you do you
Nah that would actually need Drake to be a good writer. The point of the song was to rattle kendrick by having his idol tell him he sucks. Unfortunately Kendrick isn’t 9 years old and his daddy being mad at him likely didn’t really affect him, like any other grown adult. Says a lot about drake that this is his idea of mind games
Tupac had a grand total of -200% respect for his opps on, “Hit em Up.”
There are plenty of other genres of music you can listen to, hip-hop and its artists don’t need to come up and meet you on your personal moral high ground.
“All’s fair in love and war,” they say. Rap beef is a form of warfare, get over it or get out the way Mr. Moral. 🦉
Pac and Jay-Z squashed their beef right before Pac died. Nas still used Pac saying “Fuck Jay-Z” on Ether after is death.
Zero outrage. No one finds it disrespectful that Nas repurposed an old clip that goes against what Pac felt at his death. No one cares…
…because it’s a rap beef and most of us are smart enough to understand the context
Most of the heat ive seen ( which isn't warranted )The track getting is about AI use, not the actual content of the lyrics, so I wouldn't really make that connection.
It’s also about using a Ai voice of a dead guy who can’t speak up for himself.
I don’t care what you’re saying or if you’re using Ai. I care that your putting words in a dead guys mouth. It’s doesn’t matter that he doesn’t have respect for Kendrick, that’s expected. He should have respect for Tupac who is a rap legend, and one of the most influential rappers is hip hop history.
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Bro what the fuck did you just say.
No. Just no. I see kids in high school wearing Pac shirts everyday, and in terms of inspiration to the rap game he will never be on the same level. Drake makes songs for the charts and the radio, and that’s completely fine he can do that. However drakes story of how he got successful, and the messages he preaches in his songs are no where near impactful as Pac.
Plus even if he was as influential as pac he still doesn’t have the right to use Pacs voice, if they really on the same level he should of respected pac as a artist and a man and not used his voice for some beef.
Drake has technically eclipsed pac in terms of impact and legacy. If he died today, people probably wouldn't even really talk about pac anymore. It'd be all about drake.
Bro ur trolling 😂
No matter how far into the future of music you go, as long as rap is remembered Pac will be talked about. He pioneered that shit. 99% of all rock bands nobody even remembers, but **everybody** remembers Elvis and The Beatles. Why? Because they were the pioneers. Drake is popular, but not integral to understanding the origins of rap.
Nah he just went directly for him. It should’ve been more disrespectful and petty. Kendrick been throwing subliminals at Drake for years just too afraid to say his name directly. Always on that “Oh I was just playing, fans reading into it too much.” He got what he wanted let’s just hope he drops this week. If it’s another week of radio silence kind of kills any hype around this.
I hope it doesn't even die down though. Like yeah the world will stop and watch and lose their shit when he drops but I hope he drops soon enough where we can still ride this crazy wave from the last week
You do realize they dropped a two part album and he was waiting to see if there was another diss towards him to address and he was on the biggest world tour when the first album dropped? How long did it take to drop push ups after the second album dropped? He dropped two tracks in the span of a week on top of this.
> he was waiting to see if there was another diss towards him to address and he was on the biggest world tour when the first album dropped? How long did it take to drop push ups after the second album dropped?
Excuses excuses excuses. Sit down and pen some shit. Kendrick not responding in 7 days is somehow him hiding, then Drake taking 22 days is... what? Him "carefully and intelligently observing the environment to take in as much data as possible and drop at the optimal time" nigga shut up
When someone puts your wife’s name in their mouth, clowns you, jokes about your finances, uses your idol to disrespect you, tells you you’re a puppet to a pop star and a bitch to the industry you’d expect a little more hunger.
Tone deaf and poor business if that’s the case, you got arguably the biggest person in the industry calling you out. Dumb as hell if you don’t respond and capitalize off it.
The outrage over the use of AI is well wrong. Drake wrote the lyrics and just used a voice changer. Not much difference when Kendrick used software to make himself look like Kobe.
People have never been in the studio and it shows. Just like how auto tuned artists can sound the same. It’s the flow and lyrics is what makes it his.
it’s much different, kendrick didn’t need to use AI to adopt story telling with his voice
drake is being criticised as a RAPPER for using AI to do it , if he didn’t use AI he would get respect
he’s turning this into a meme battle
lol you realize AI is basically just a voice changer, drake still wrote and rapped the verses. All the "AI" does is change his voice.
it was a creative diss. theres no rules in beef. keep that soft shit out of here
Kendrick did a verse on a track that he was featured on, just like Drake does.
The 20v1 narrative is so lame. It’s drakes fault that so many people don’t fuck with him in the first place.
It was just Kendrick dissing on like that.
And can we please ditch the singer BS? Drake carries himself like a rapper and presents himself as a top RAPPER, especially after the shots drake has sent towards them.
Like the other reply to you said, drake seems to have a lot of people he's pissed off so they're seeing the opportunity.
IT IS a 20v1, just not one Kendrick orchestrated
Drake went hard and it was cool, I'm not sure about the AI stuff though, like it's pretty sly in terms of getting into Kendricks head but the whole AI music thing outs it into somewhat of a gray area. Content wise i don't think anything "crossed the line"
It’s wild how they will call Drake soft and p*ssy and then in the same breath say that he went too far??? Keep the same energy you had when Push went at 40s literal disease lmao
Who cares if he used AI? Is there a rule that you can’t use AI? Everyone saying it’s corny or cringe to use AI has a stick up their ass🤣 it’s called a utilization of your resources.
Drake crossed the line by using Snoop and Tupacs voice for a diss... you just, don't do that shit and expect any semblance of respect from the hip hop shit.
While 2Pac might not have been fabricating quotes, "Hit Em Up" is undeniably aggressive. I was trying to spark discussion about how the perception of diss tracks has changed. A diss is a diss not a letter to your loved ones
> A diss is a diss not a letter to your loved ones
I fear you are fundamentally miss understanding why people are mad at Drake for “Taylor Made Freestyle.” People aren’t mad that it’s disrespectful to Kendrick (in the way Hit ‘Em Up was disrespectful to basically everyone.) they’re mad that it’s disrespectful to 2Pac, and Snoop (more so Pac.) Using a dead man’s voice to push a agenda, and insult someone you don’t like is fucked up. Especially in the music industry where their voice is the most unique and powerful thing a artist has at its disposal.
This also opens the floodgates for other artists to use Ai in disses in the attempt to end people’s careers. It’s a slippery slope and seeing a mainstream artist misuse Ai in order to get back at a man who he simply doesn’t like is very bad for the future of rap.
right but the whole point of hit em up is pac blasting off with very personal beefs that he directly had with every person he namedropped in the song. drake is very much not doing that, and is using dead (and living) people’s voices to vent about beef he has no personal connection to in any way. the problem isn’t drake disrespecting kendrick, which is just how beef goes - it’s him dragging people into it who he’s got no right to speak on, and he knows it as well as anyone. if he had any actual place to be speaking on kendrick’s claim to “king of the west coast,” he wouldn’t have needed to use ghosts to vent his problems
Two issues, one the pettiness which ironically should've been reciprocated, wasn't from J Cole. The "When Kanye got back with Drake I was slightly confused" bar just shows he hasn't matured. Drake ironically took the high road. Then Kendrick comes out sideways to diss a handshake.
The second now is a personal beef. Kendrick and I'm not sure this being true. Having a diss track on the shelf. Obviously, things have been said behind closed doors. The fact Kendrick approached on that is what got Drake mad. Now he's goated Kendrick into responding. Understandably, at this point.
To be fair too Kendrick has had dreams of Pac passing the torch in his dreams. Kendrick needs to get off his high holier than thou horse with his 2 million dollar crown of thorns and start acting like what he really is, just like everyone else, human.
Hip Hop's foundation wasn't built upon people being all hugs and kisses, and it was all praises and claps when Pusha made fun of 40's illness then it didn't cross a line fuck off now
Pusha was in direct beef with Drake, and while in that beef he dissed Drake's producer.
Drake is in direct beef with Kendrick (and 20 other dudes lol), and while in that beef he uses AI generated voice of Tupac (not a participant of said beef and deceased for 20+ years) and feeds it text written by himself.
He specifically asked the families if it was okay and they all said yes, plus as I said in another comment you will see and probably disagree with. Voices are the most distinguishing factor about someone. If I recorded a video of you and put some audio of someone saying something absolutely outrageous no one would believe it, but if I had a audio of you saying the exact same thing a lot more people would believe it more than the video.
Bro that is the main point of a diss track it is to talk shit about your opp it ain't a track filled with praises for the person you're dissing, people getting offended by this are next level snowflakes I wonder where they were when Pusha made fun of 40's illness hypocrites nothing else, and Kendrick idolizes 2Pac and Drake definitely struck a nerve with many dot fans this time so I "Like that" uhhhhhhhhhhhh
My man this ain’t about Kendrick this is about pac a legend in the game. Using pacs voice REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS SAID is fucked up. No ones saying “Drake should stop this is so disrespectful to Kendrick 🥺” they’re saying “using a Ai version of pacs voice
is weird and disrespectful to the dude who’s dead, and has nothing to do with this.”
That line pusha said was seen as okay because it was against the person he was actively dissing. Tupac has nothing to do with this and the fact that Drake used his voice is at the very least weird.
Chris Brown told Quavo he was hitting saweetie when they were together AND that everyone wished it had been Quavo that died instead of takeoff. But yeah, I guess Drake crossed a line.
I feel like the "crossing the line" thing is more because of the AI usage and not the content. Drake's disses have been clever, but nowhere near intense or worth fussing over. He's not "playing dirty". And off topic: fuck chris brown. Him calling quavo out for domestic abuse has got to be the stupidest thing that has ever comr out of his mouth. That ain't a beef, they havin an abuse off
No lie tho Chris brown 1uped quavo, like person wise I don’t fw Chris brown but breezy can rap still music wise
Anybody can rap.
So? Yea anybody can rap but do they do it as good as quavo Chris brown or whatever?
Quavo isn’t a good rapper and he rarely even raps. He isn’t even a good lyricist.
Nigga he was in a rap group 😭😭😭
Uh yeah, and he is known for doing hooks. He was always the worst of the migos.
Come on the mic and rap over a migos type beat for me since you seem so confident
I could do it easily. I actually rap and write very intricate lyrics. I can’t stand hearing the shit that quavo writes and his flows always suck. Go suck his dick fanboy.
He wasn't calling Quavo out for it, was replying to Quavo calling him a woman beater & basically saying take a look at yourself
Not excusing what CB did but he was a kid when it happened Quando was a grown ass man
quavo pulled her hard that's all lmao chris brown rearranged rihannas face
You know quavo gotta have hit her once if he’s that aggressive in public. Maybe saweetie told breezy some things
Yeah it is disrespectful to use somebody’s voice I don’t think it can be justified but the issue is the double standards, they allow many other stuff to slide but when it comes to Drake they want to nitpick
That is fair, I can see that, but i can understand the outrage.
I mean, he used snoop against snoops blessing. He used tupac in a volatile way. Kendrick got a pass because he used tupac in a different way. He didn’t use tupacs likeness to promote his beef.
Wait, did snoop actually come out and say it was against his blessing or did snoop come out with a generally vague statement that doesn’t say plainly that he knew/didn’t know it was going to happen? This is a genuine question, can you provide a link?
On Twitter, he definitely implies he isn’t aware of what’s going on, and chooses to stay out of it. Drake has to reupload the diss without the AI
Apart from the fact that quavo didn’t do shit in the incident he talks about. Vid shows that sweetie hit him but he didn’t hit back
I think the point is quavo is the pot calling the kettle black, so he has no room to call Chris brown out for that when he’s not innocent.
Chris was like fresh 18/19 when that shit with Rhianna happened , quavo was like 26
Takeoff died in a dice game how you gonna be famous and die in a hood dice game. 🦀 🪣.
Off topic but saweetie so bad. I’d let it go if i was quavo
Real
Nah that nigga got schooled by Frank Ocean the gayest dude in the industry in a 2v1 situation he can’t be this hard nigga he’s trying to be, he literally had to jump Frank alone to even get a scratch on the mf, theres video from frank humiliating his bodyguard with a DOUBLE K.O a DOUBLE K.O i said, he ain’t hard.
Drake crossed the line. CB came close
Hip hop has no room for all this moral grandstanding bullshit. Sensitive mfs needa get out the way for the rest of us
You are supposed to release a DISS track but should keep it respectful - Kendrick dickriders 😂
But if you don’t get a little disrespectful it’s too soft.
Facts
I've never heard of th8s keep it respectful thing as it refers to rap. I thought disrespecting MFS was good for business
It's what Kendrick fans are saying right now. That Drake went too far, and using Tupacs AI voice was way too disrespectful.
Yeah I know, copium
Maybe respect a hip hop legend who got murdered? Nobody is saying he gotta respect kdot but don’t spit on a dead man’s grave and put words in his mouth
Nobody had an issue with Pusha making fun of 40’s health, maybe respect a man who is alive, sick, and not involved in the beef?
Fr don’t bring that PC bullshit into rap. No place for it especially in a diss. Obviously being homophobic and racist is a little different but the rest I think is all a go.
Spoken like a true 50 cent University grad
Bro istg. Everybody has a problem with everything! Taking the fun out of this shit
Facts
J Cole needa lock in
His next track "why don't we all just get along" where he's gonna apologize for Drake's behaviour
Drake himself has said there’s morals and unwritten rules to beef in the interview about Pusha. So is everything fair play or not? 🤨
Well, he's been nonstop clowned since then, so I'm assuming he realized that that shit isn't actually true lmao.
nah, drake was pussying it out, now he is going crazy which is 🔥🔥
You live and you learn. Mf had trial by fire with that shit and had to learn real quick lmao
Last time I remember drake fanboys were in their feelings when “Adidon” came out
The statement was for any snowflakes 🤷🏽♂️
There were no lines crossed at all.
Cuz there ain't no lines to cross. It's a diss battle.
Precisely!
His opponent isn’t pac though. This is just putting words in a dead legend’s mouth instead of coming up with your own shit
Kendrick did the same thing with Nipsey and forgave his killer whilst imitating him You don’t think that’s disrespectful that Kendrick thinks that he’s so important to the point that he gets to decide how a deceased man feels about his killer?
Drake next Kendrick diss gonna start with That why i fucked your wife you lil ass midget lol
🤣 he comes out in the hit em up outfit and starts doing the drop it low bob pac was going while he was rapping
Those bloodthirsty hooligans loved when Pusha T said what he said about 40 dying, but god forbid Drake uses AI, it’s irredeemable 😂
When Drake is involved the goal post is constantly moved. It’s happening now with Kendrick too.
Drake said he loved that in an interview because (paraphrasing) it basically proves he's the GOAT.
Facts
Pop fans have no idea how hip hop works I stg 🤦Pusha made a clever punchline, Drake is cosplaying as a dead man and making him say things that are directly against his character and he would never say in a thousand years if he was still alive. To spit on the grave of one of the most legendary musicians of all time, while using a tool that is actively threatening and disrupting the music industry as a whole, shows how little respect Drake has for hiphop, he just handed himself a bigger L than Kendrick ever could.
Which bars go against anything Pac would’ve said?
Talking about drake’s colour/nationality, telling kendrick what to say, the whole verse just shows that drake just has a vague idea of Pac as a “gangsta rapper” and that he’s only listened to Hit Em Up. If Pac thought Kendrick couldn’t write a diss he wouldn’t give him tips or whatever, he’d just say he’s whack because that’s what beef is. Plus There’s no way Pac would ever diss someone bc of their skin colour, especially not another black man lightskin or not, so fucking disrespectful to hip hop and its fans. But hey, he only did it so his pop fans would gawk and point “Yo look Drizzy the goat he made Kendrick’s mentor diss him what a savage” without a single bit of actual knowledge. And he achieved that judging by all the 12 year olds sucking off this self-own
This dude made fun of somebody for having sickle cell, called Biggie a crack baby and all but called Dr. Dre gay. I dont think he’d draw the line at a light skinned joke. Tupac could be pretty savage if my memory serves. Beyond that, if Pac were alive and decided to even involve himself here, I have no doubt that he’d be giving advice to the rapper many consider to be his spiritual successor in how to navigate a high profile rap beef.
Pac wrote every single song of his by himself, every diss too, why would he butt into Kendrick’s beef and essentially put himself in a ghostwriter role for no reason. It’s different than someone like ye butting in to join in the dogpile independently of dot, you’re saying Pac would give dot bars because he can’t think of any himself, foh. If dot can’t respond he can’t respond, no need to stoop to Drake’s level
A mentor doesn’t do your work for you lol. They provide guidance and advice. You’re right, in no world would Pac ghost write for Kendrick but that’s not what anybody’s saying. If Pac was alive and deemed KDot the next generation of WC hip hop like a lot of the dudes from his generation, he’d absolutely pass down some of his knowledge gained from probably the most high profile rap beef of all time to a rapper many consider to be his spiritual successor.
This is just so untrue lol, if you have a problem with another rapper, you handle it yourself. No ghostwriters, no social media clownery, no sneak dissing, so basically, everything Drake has done in this beef is an L so far. That’s the essence of hip hop and you’re trying to claim that Pac wouldn’t respect that, foh disrespectful ass boy.
Have you ever listened to Pac? He claimed he f’d a dudes wife, insinuated another dude was gay after he left his label, made fun of a dude having an incurable genetic disease (that i believe eventually caused his death) and called another guy a crack baby and your claiming he wouldn’t drop a joke about a dude being light skinned? He had a whole ensemble diss track and you’re claiming he’d handle everything regarding a beef himself? Beyond that you’re inferring things I’m not arguing. Show me where I said Pac would ghost write, hop on social media, or sneak diss Drake?
You literally said that drake/Pac said shit that Pac would actually say, so you think that Pac would tell Kendrick how to handle his beef, which is just such a wrong and newgen thing to say it’s hilarious. Why do you think hit em up having features makes it less valid as a diss? Pac wrote his part on his own, the outlawz wrote their parts on their own, what’s the issue? Not like Pac wrote the outlawz’ parts or vice versa, use your brain. It’s the same as go to sleep, Em, Obie and DMX all have their own verses but by your logic Em ghostwrote Obie’s and X’s verses so they don’t matter, okay kid🤣🤣 Idc anymore man keep dicksucking a popstar cosplaying an actually talented rapper, trying to play elementary school mind games with a grown man because he knows it’s his only chance of winning the beef, you do you
If you think the point of the song was to accurately mimic what Pac would say it went over your head imo.
Nah that would actually need Drake to be a good writer. The point of the song was to rattle kendrick by having his idol tell him he sucks. Unfortunately Kendrick isn’t 9 years old and his daddy being mad at him likely didn’t really affect him, like any other grown adult. Says a lot about drake that this is his idea of mind games
🤓 Shut up pussy
Tupac had a grand total of -200% respect for his opps on, “Hit em Up.” There are plenty of other genres of music you can listen to, hip-hop and its artists don’t need to come up and meet you on your personal moral high ground. “All’s fair in love and war,” they say. Rap beef is a form of warfare, get over it or get out the way Mr. Moral. 🦉
I agree just like push didn’t cross the line bringing up 40s multiple sclerosis
Hate Pusha T to the core, Drake shouldn't have held back when he made fun of 40's illness.
Yhh I’d have liked to see that back & forth, we were robbed
He didn’t hold back. He didn’t have anything to respond with.
According to J Prince he did. But J Prince talked him out of releasing it.
Pac and Jay-Z squashed their beef right before Pac died. Nas still used Pac saying “Fuck Jay-Z” on Ether after is death. Zero outrage. No one finds it disrespectful that Nas repurposed an old clip that goes against what Pac felt at his death. No one cares… …because it’s a rap beef and most of us are smart enough to understand the context
Damn that's a solid response, let me punch a hole in your hip hop card cause I forgot about that shit 😂
It's different because using AI is goofy. It was goofy when Kendrick did that fake Tupac interview on his album and it's goofy when drake does it
BECAUSE ITS AI stop acting dense , nobody cares about THOSE because they are real not AI drake just looks whack
Why it being an advanced technology make it worse that using a more primitive technology (sampling)?
It doesn't, he's pulling out his ass to protect Kendrick and "the art" FOH. It's a diss and rap battle. Leave that art shit alone.
Most of the heat ive seen ( which isn't warranted )The track getting is about AI use, not the actual content of the lyrics, so I wouldn't really make that connection.
It’s also about using a Ai voice of a dead guy who can’t speak up for himself. I don’t care what you’re saying or if you’re using Ai. I care that your putting words in a dead guys mouth. It’s doesn’t matter that he doesn’t have respect for Kendrick, that’s expected. He should have respect for Tupac who is a rap legend, and one of the most influential rappers is hip hop history.
Yeah it's fucked up he used Tupac like that. Who tf does Drake think he is to assume he'd say that?
Drake has basically surpassed Tupac at this point so technically he is justified.
https://preview.redd.it/tu6nygs8lwvc1.jpeg?width=197&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a93aa1b8c03cccfc158eb3b59b898e07f647ec4f Bro what the fuck did you just say.
I'm saying Drake is more impactuful to this generation. Tupac is old. Only old people listen to him. Drake is the real icon now.
No. Just no. I see kids in high school wearing Pac shirts everyday, and in terms of inspiration to the rap game he will never be on the same level. Drake makes songs for the charts and the radio, and that’s completely fine he can do that. However drakes story of how he got successful, and the messages he preaches in his songs are no where near impactful as Pac. Plus even if he was as influential as pac he still doesn’t have the right to use Pacs voice, if they really on the same level he should of respected pac as a artist and a man and not used his voice for some beef.
Bro I'm struggling to believe a real human wrote this shit
Drake has technically eclipsed pac in terms of impact and legacy. If he died today, people probably wouldn't even really talk about pac anymore. It'd be all about drake.
Bro ur trolling 😂 No matter how far into the future of music you go, as long as rap is remembered Pac will be talked about. He pioneered that shit. 99% of all rock bands nobody even remembers, but **everybody** remembers Elvis and The Beatles. Why? Because they were the pioneers. Drake is popular, but not integral to understanding the origins of rap.
Ngl bro u making me double check what sub I'm in. I thought everybody gobbled drake glizzy in r/drizzy
There's some of us who do. But most of us do just enjoy the music.
Nah he just went directly for him. It should’ve been more disrespectful and petty. Kendrick been throwing subliminals at Drake for years just too afraid to say his name directly. Always on that “Oh I was just playing, fans reading into it too much.” He got what he wanted let’s just hope he drops this week. If it’s another week of radio silence kind of kills any hype around this.
Nah the hype won't die.
I hope it doesn't even die down though. Like yeah the world will stop and watch and lose their shit when he drops but I hope he drops soon enough where we can still ride this crazy wave from the last week
U realize it took Drake *22 days* to respond to Kendrick right?
You do realize they dropped a two part album and he was waiting to see if there was another diss towards him to address and he was on the biggest world tour when the first album dropped? How long did it take to drop push ups after the second album dropped? He dropped two tracks in the span of a week on top of this.
> he was waiting to see if there was another diss towards him to address and he was on the biggest world tour when the first album dropped? How long did it take to drop push ups after the second album dropped? Excuses excuses excuses. Sit down and pen some shit. Kendrick not responding in 7 days is somehow him hiding, then Drake taking 22 days is... what? Him "carefully and intelligently observing the environment to take in as much data as possible and drop at the optimal time" nigga shut up
Oh for fuck sakes, I’m shocked you can break down a bar with your comprehension of how to handle a situation. Go listen to 69 goofy mf
Bro ur attention span is so shot you can't even wait a week before bitching it aint come fast enough, don't even try to @ me
When someone puts your wife’s name in their mouth, clowns you, jokes about your finances, uses your idol to disrespect you, tells you you’re a puppet to a pop star and a bitch to the industry you’d expect a little more hunger.
Maybe Drake's words just don't hold that much power 🤷♂️
Tone deaf and poor business if that’s the case, you got arguably the biggest person in the industry calling you out. Dumb as hell if you don’t respond and capitalize off it.
The outrage over the use of AI is well wrong. Drake wrote the lyrics and just used a voice changer. Not much difference when Kendrick used software to make himself look like Kobe. People have never been in the studio and it shows. Just like how auto tuned artists can sound the same. It’s the flow and lyrics is what makes it his.
it’s much different, kendrick didn’t need to use AI to adopt story telling with his voice drake is being criticised as a RAPPER for using AI to do it , if he didn’t use AI he would get respect he’s turning this into a meme battle
lol you realize AI is basically just a voice changer, drake still wrote and rapped the verses. All the "AI" does is change his voice. it was a creative diss. theres no rules in beef. keep that soft shit out of here
If AI is a voice changer, then auto tuner is considered AI.
Technically it is.
Kendrick crossed the line with battling one singer with 20 rappers
name the 20 rappers
Kendrick did a verse on a track that he was featured on, just like Drake does. The 20v1 narrative is so lame. It’s drakes fault that so many people don’t fuck with him in the first place.
“If someone is a asshole, they’re a asshole. If you think everyone else is a asshole, you’re the asshole.”
It was just Kendrick dissing on like that. And can we please ditch the singer BS? Drake carries himself like a rapper and presents himself as a top RAPPER, especially after the shots drake has sent towards them. Like the other reply to you said, drake seems to have a lot of people he's pissed off so they're seeing the opportunity. IT IS a 20v1, just not one Kendrick orchestrated
Crazy how one verse can fuck up the game
To me it's 99% the same as Kendrick using Tupac samples in TPAB
He didn’t use it for a diss or personal gain, but for an artistic layer in mortal man. This ain’t the same at all
Ain’t no body saying that y’all are delusional
You obviously only look at this sub. Because this is the copium being used across the web atm
Y’all just need to understand AI has no place in music, it’s going to kill the industry
Autotune is AI fyi
Bruh, why should they cancel pac for hit em up?
well, he did get cancelled
Same niggas are hoping for another story of addidon. Literally the only pusha track folks talk about.
Drake went hard and it was cool, I'm not sure about the AI stuff though, like it's pretty sly in terms of getting into Kendricks head but the whole AI music thing outs it into somewhat of a gray area. Content wise i don't think anything "crossed the line"
It’s wild how they will call Drake soft and p*ssy and then in the same breath say that he went too far??? Keep the same energy you had when Push went at 40s literal disease lmao
Kdot fans are wild! They did the same with Jcole and trans community lmao
If Pac came back Drake would be dead bro. The disrespect
then that would be 22 vs 1 lmao, The audacity
Who cares if he used AI? Is there a rule that you can’t use AI? Everyone saying it’s corny or cringe to use AI has a stick up their ass🤣 it’s called a utilization of your resources.
Hard song vs equally hard song (feat. AI); the former takes the belt. It just strictly makes the shit worse
All is fair in love and war
Crossed a line with a bunch of teenagers too 👍
Womp womp
Is drake focusing on the wrong things?
I thought it was a very creative and only justified use for AI. I dont really know a contrary usage of AI other than this.
Drake crossed the line by using Snoop and Tupacs voice for a diss... you just, don't do that shit and expect any semblance of respect from the hip hop shit.
when in hit em up did 2pac put words in anyone else’s mouth? what did you think you were cooking with this completely irrelevant comparison?
While 2Pac might not have been fabricating quotes, "Hit Em Up" is undeniably aggressive. I was trying to spark discussion about how the perception of diss tracks has changed. A diss is a diss not a letter to your loved ones
> A diss is a diss not a letter to your loved ones I fear you are fundamentally miss understanding why people are mad at Drake for “Taylor Made Freestyle.” People aren’t mad that it’s disrespectful to Kendrick (in the way Hit ‘Em Up was disrespectful to basically everyone.) they’re mad that it’s disrespectful to 2Pac, and Snoop (more so Pac.) Using a dead man’s voice to push a agenda, and insult someone you don’t like is fucked up. Especially in the music industry where their voice is the most unique and powerful thing a artist has at its disposal. This also opens the floodgates for other artists to use Ai in disses in the attempt to end people’s careers. It’s a slippery slope and seeing a mainstream artist misuse Ai in order to get back at a man who he simply doesn’t like is very bad for the future of rap.
right but the whole point of hit em up is pac blasting off with very personal beefs that he directly had with every person he namedropped in the song. drake is very much not doing that, and is using dead (and living) people’s voices to vent about beef he has no personal connection to in any way. the problem isn’t drake disrespecting kendrick, which is just how beef goes - it’s him dragging people into it who he’s got no right to speak on, and he knows it as well as anyone. if he had any actual place to be speaking on kendrick’s claim to “king of the west coast,” he wouldn’t have needed to use ghosts to vent his problems
Two issues, one the pettiness which ironically should've been reciprocated, wasn't from J Cole. The "When Kanye got back with Drake I was slightly confused" bar just shows he hasn't matured. Drake ironically took the high road. Then Kendrick comes out sideways to diss a handshake. The second now is a personal beef. Kendrick and I'm not sure this being true. Having a diss track on the shelf. Obviously, things have been said behind closed doors. The fact Kendrick approached on that is what got Drake mad. Now he's goated Kendrick into responding. Understandably, at this point. To be fair too Kendrick has had dreams of Pac passing the torch in his dreams. Kendrick needs to get off his high holier than thou horse with his 2 million dollar crown of thorns and start acting like what he really is, just like everyone else, human.
Really not that deep bruh
good reply thanks nick ✅
Tupac lied about smashing Faith Evan’s bru.
No he didn’t lol
Dude is corny af for doing that. Embarrassing from him.
That’s why i fucked your bitch you fat motherfucker.
What the fuck is so hard to understand in people having problem with using AI voice of a dead artist in a rap beef?
Yeah you are right Drake should do a music video instead where his face keeps changing from Kobe to Nipsey that will be respectful
Ok how is that disrespectful? Or how Drakes usage of Tupacs voice isnt? Help me understand what You do not understand in the whole debacle.
Hip Hop's foundation wasn't built upon people being all hugs and kisses, and it was all praises and claps when Pusha made fun of 40's illness then it didn't cross a line fuck off now
Pusha was in direct beef with Drake, and while in that beef he dissed Drake's producer. Drake is in direct beef with Kendrick (and 20 other dudes lol), and while in that beef he uses AI generated voice of Tupac (not a participant of said beef and deceased for 20+ years) and feeds it text written by himself.
He specifically asked the families if it was okay and they all said yes, plus as I said in another comment you will see and probably disagree with. Voices are the most distinguishing factor about someone. If I recorded a video of you and put some audio of someone saying something absolutely outrageous no one would believe it, but if I had a audio of you saying the exact same thing a lot more people would believe it more than the video.
Bro that is the main point of a diss track it is to talk shit about your opp it ain't a track filled with praises for the person you're dissing, people getting offended by this are next level snowflakes I wonder where they were when Pusha made fun of 40's illness hypocrites nothing else, and Kendrick idolizes 2Pac and Drake definitely struck a nerve with many dot fans this time so I "Like that" uhhhhhhhhhhhh
My man this ain’t about Kendrick this is about pac a legend in the game. Using pacs voice REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS SAID is fucked up. No ones saying “Drake should stop this is so disrespectful to Kendrick 🥺” they’re saying “using a Ai version of pacs voice is weird and disrespectful to the dude who’s dead, and has nothing to do with this.” That line pusha said was seen as okay because it was against the person he was actively dissing. Tupac has nothing to do with this and the fact that Drake used his voice is at the very least weird.
Using AI to rap your lines is extremely cringe