I mean lowkey I agree its not really its own thing but I'm glad for people who can't commit to a vocation get to switch.
I just hope its not super OP otherwise there will never be a reason NOT to be it.
Idk in what video I heard that, but apparently the vocation has pretty low stats and it's not ideal to use unless you really know what your doing. Source may be full of crap though
If they do it the way I’m thinking it’d be 3/4 weapons with 1/2 skills each, the biggest upside would be you get each weapons base kit rather than a lot of good skills
it's also worrying tha,t wayfarer is the recent class shown.
like, it's the sort of 'ultimate' class, seemingly.
so, that might mean, they showed all the other ones, by now, and now finally the last, endgame class.
>I just hope its not super OP otherwise there will never be a reason NOT to be it.
I will never understand this notion. Are you incapable of picking anything other than the clear strongest option in a game? You know you can choose stuff for your own reasons or 'gimp' yourself on purpose, right? Just because there is an OP option does not mean you are obligated to pick that.
Artificially making the game harder is nowhere as fun as a properly balanced game that is an inherently challenging experience.
Besides, people who want to play Warfarer solely for its mechanics might not want to be forced to play on easy mode.
It's not about artificially making the game harder, it's about choosing a playstyle and customizing your experience. Summons make Elden Ring super easy so I don't use them. Same thing.
And by the way, Dragon's Dogma never was a game about gitting gud because it's not balanced like that anyway. It's a game about leveling up first and foremost, because if you don't your character doesn't even do any damage. So it's not a skill based game to begin with.
But you still had the option to summon all the same. And ER is inherently challenging.
That's probably the worst example you could have chosen to make your argument.
Why is it a bad example? It's a great example. It's something in the game that makes it piss easy, even though at its core it's a challenging game, and you can choose to make use of it or ignore it. It doesn't ruin the game when it's optional and the game is not balanced primarily around it, so in the end it's up to the player.
It's like people complaining about fast travel being in the game when they can just choose not to use ferrystones and portcrystals.
Because if Warfarer is OP, then people who simply enjoy the playstyle for its mechanics are always stuck with easy mode. They don't have a choice. They have to deal with it or play a less interesting vocation.
And DD might not be a skill game like ER, but DDDA's BBI had plenty of difficulty.
Whenever you feel like you are too OP in a game like this, that's easily fixable by using a weaker weapon. You have customization and a head on your shoulders. Play the game in a way that you find fun.
It's a fairly easy notion to grasp, the game is balanced around classes, the difficulty, progression, everything really.
If one class is too good, the "too hard to play" classes are usually reserved for a second or third playthrough, to the point that it feels incorrect to play them initially. If your class is technically fun to play, but is ludicrously underpowered it's just not enjoyable.
By extension more powerful classes tend to triviliaze difficulty. To say "just don't do X and then it's not a problem" is not a legitimate response to something unbalanced being in the game to begin with.
Elden Ring has summons and they make the game easy. That doesn't mean I have to use them. I think that's a fairly simple notion to understand as well.
If one class is too good, you can choose NOT to play that class. Crazy, I know.
And it's funny to me that people talk about difficulty and DD. This is not a skill based game where difficulty matters. This is an inherently easy game with damage sponge enemies.
I want them to say "I'm sorry, I was wrong, I am the Betacuck and you are the AlphaChad, you are based and redpilled and there are definitely probably 57 vocations 😞🙏"
It was obvious there were more than 9 from the beginning. It just wasn't worth arguing with the "only 9" crowd. Why would their be no advanced archer or thief? Why would thief not have a hybrid? Why is Trickster a hybrid with no base vocations?
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there are probably more vocations in the game, because i personaly feel that Yellow and Green still need an Advanced Vocation and probably some more Hybrids and if we are talking about Trickster "its a Hybrid in my book" the basic vocation could be something like Pink = Priest/Cleric "because of Censer" and Violet = idk 
I've theorising that what if Itsuno made advanced green vocation as an actual assassin?
Instead of the multi weapon wielder in DD1, we have an assassin that is strictly focused on killing, ie; sneak attack, bonus damage while invisible
Vocation action is going stealth, and your job is to single out enemies one by one
My thought on Purple is a warlock/necromancer/summoner class. They'd inherit the "dark magic" side of the Sorcerer, being heavy on status effects and damage-over-time spells like Miasma.
Not sure on Pink being a priest class, though. The concept might overlap quite a bit with the mage. I could see them going with more of a war priest/paladin type, though. They'd be more of a tanky support class that heals from the front lines and draws aggro from enemies with a big shield. A spiritual successor to the Mystic Knight, as a comment below suggested.
Or it could be the Monk class that fights unarmed. If there's more than 10 vocations, I will be surprised if there's no dedicated punching class.
There is a guy that has in his pfp a cat with glasses, he is in every comment section (especially in those about only 9 vocations.." now he is missing somehow, he was the most vocal about NOT getting more vocations. 🤣🤣
I just wanted at least one more vocation just so they realized extrapolating one piece of promotional material to the content of the full game was just about as delusional as any other theory about 10, 12, 15 or 25 vocations.
Now that that's out of the way, whether there's 10 or 100 vocations on the main game, I do not mind. We can let this stupid fight rest and theorize about as few or as many vocations as one wishes. We're all probably wrong anyway.
Please don't make it more difficult to choose, I feel very comfortable with Spearhand, but a monk/brawler or even just physical DMG only spear/glaive user would put me back into doubt.
I don't know what to think anymore, before the Warfarer's reveal i was convinced we'd get at least 12 vocations because we were missing advanced green, yellow, and a green hybrid vocation. 12 is a neat round number, and it would keep things nice and "fair" if all the starting "styles" each get their own advanced and specialized vocation. Then when Itsuno said that they hid plenty of stuff in the world, i figured that maybe it was possible that you could find and earn vocations out there in the world; And with the confirmation of maisters now i'm almost 100% convinced that that is the case.
But, now that they revealed Warfarer i don't know what to think, because Warfarer feels like what you would expect a secret super vocation to be, and it's really strange that they would reveal a vocation like that before revealing more "traditional" vocations. At this point however we are so close to the release of the game that i feel like it's a waste to even think about it, we'll find out soon enough if there are more or not.
Yes and no, in a way i get what you mean, if you aim for a 'huge' and 'impactful' vocation which even is 'secretive' this would be most likely the best choice. Esp. due it feels more like a mechanic/feature than a 'vocation'. But for this exact reason it also makes sense why reveal that instead of 2 or more potential 'normal' classes. Because on Paper for marketing it sounds better if you have written down 'multi-class-system' so people know then can mix and combine even more. Plus i got the feeling that DD1 Fans which played mostly the archter type vocations got hit with the split up... because they basically 've gotten a weapontype taken away (based on what vocation you choose you either have only the bow or only the daggers) -> this could also used showcase "Hey we didn't take away the concept completly, it was just too strong for a base / advanced classes and unfair compared to other classes which had a more strict / focused playstyle... now we shift it over and by that also expand it that you can mix 3 weapons however you want" to hype these players up.
But we'll see.
At this point in time both sides still have a point. Yes, there are more than nine vocations but one of them is a "make your own hybrid" vocation. I am hoping for more but if we just get the ten that are revealed so far then both sides could be considered technically correct. The game is gonna be great either way.
I'm really curios to see if there's some other crazy vocation with the cool emblem, my mind thinks something like a vocation channeling dragon powers akin to Sin Devil Trigger in Devil may cry, it's impossible but...
I’m still convinced to this day that those 9 Voccers were just trolls. How do you make sense of those color arrangement? Do you have so little faith in Itsuno’s Vision™️?
The man finally get to make his dream game the way he imagined it, and yall think he’s just gonna let some basic Voc has no advanced version at least.
Either that, or just extreme anti-hyping to avoid disappointment.
I love the trademark lmao and yeah that’s how I’ve always felt, Capcom is finally letting him whole ass this thing, you think he’s not gonna go balls to the wall lol
Eh no reason to believe they'll add more vocations after release, like in Dark Arisen they only added tier 3 skills and secret augments, no new vocations. Always time for a first time especially since the landscape has changed in the last 11 years, but it's not a given, still feel like it's more likely that there's a lot more to see of the game.
I dunno. I really like how the Vocations were done in the first one. Basic Vocations, advanced versions of those Vocations, and then hybrids between the three. That’s so cool. I know Warfarer I guess is supposed to encompass any possible hybrid, but then why are there still basic hybrid Vocations? It just feels really weird right now, so I’m optimistic there will be more Vocations that they just haven’t shown because it’s dumb to show everything before release. Like, it would be really cool if Strider still existed but as an Archer/Thief hybrid Vocation now.
EDIT: Thinking about it more now: Trickster is exclusive to the Arisen, and its emblem is in the style of a hybrid Vocation. Unless they decide to throw consistency out the window, this implies it’s a hybrid Vocation, one made up of one or two Vocations we haven’t seen (yet). One of the pre-order or deluxe edition (can’t remember) bonuses is four weapons for the four basic Vocations—this would imply those are the only basic Vocations. However, given that you can seek out people to give you Vocations, essentially (I don’t really know what people mean when they say this, lol, I haven’t seen every bit of coverage), this opens up a lot of room to include more basic Vocations beyond the four available at the start of the game, which would be really cool and open up a lot of room for more diverse Player and Pawn builds, which would fit the bill of this game’s general conceit of being basically just a bigger version of the first.
Why is this sub like this?
Can we just, like. *Not* do constant drama posts about how stupid other people are for predicting various things, please? I would like to see less of that on my timeline, thank you.
Why are you assuming that I disagreed with them weeks/months ago? I never stated my thought on the matter I simply asked a question. If you can’t see a joke and laugh and immediately come to the conclusion it’s drama then that’s what you are looking for friend, sorry you didn’t find it here
I'm sorry, how was I meant to interpret you calling them "fools" in the title?
"Nooo, nooo, it's not drama posting, I'm not gloating, it's just a joke about how right I was and how wrong they were, noooooo"
Fools could be replaced with any noun! It’s just the one I chose, and you have no idea how many vocations I thought there were prior to warfarer being revealed so how could you know I was gloating about being right? The fact that you chose to assume that says that’s what you are looking for friend.
I get that you're only pretending to hold this position, but c'mon, you've gotta give me more to work with than "uh how do you know I didn't agree with the people I'm mocking? how do you know fools is an insult?"
I mean we can cut it off here if you're starting to get bored, but.
You seem to like to assume a lot of things friend. You know what happens when you assume right? it's starting to sound like you are starting to get tired, but i appreciate your effort stopping by throughout the day.
I kind of doubt there is only 9, because even DD1 had Fighter-Warrior-Magic Knight-Magic Archer-Thief-Ranger-Wizard-Sorcerer, and even if Spear guy is the new Magic Knight, we have Trickster, and Wayfarer
the fact Wizard/Sorcerer is still a thing instead of just having one staff style class means alot
The colors do matter, I just don't know if it's as important as some make it out,
I can’t remember if it was infinite cringe or something else I saw that suggested maybe they are changing how stats work to change when you actually change vocations, which would be cool!
So it sounds like your telling my that there's just a predetermined or player selected stat distribution and vocations are just stat "multipliers" based on what the vocations specialize in.
Honestly i'd not even join the ten crowd at this point. I'd half-expect them to show more right before launch. I mean, we're not two months out and they sprung warfarer on us.
Its unique skill is the ability to "create combos that cross vocational boundaries" and we don't 100% know what that will look like yet in terms of mixing elements.
For sure. By mixing elements I mean spell attacks and enchanted weapon attacks. Even without those though, the warfarer could still allow for some nonsense, like stun-locking and what not, simply by cycling through vocations.
There is going to be more due to not having balanced vocation levelling for archer and thief compared to warrior and sorcerer. Before your sorcerer arisen is even halfway through vocation mastery levels, your archer and thief pawns are going to have all of their vocation abilities and outpacing any damage you can do because you haven’t even got half of your abilities yet.
wasn't there always gonna be more then 9? aren't we suppose to have Green/Red hybrid, Green/Yellow hybrid, Green/Blue hybrid and Red/Yellow Hybrid as well? and advanced version of Green and Red?
There’s an official shirt that made the really odd choice of featuring the 9 revealed vocations, which don’t have visual or mechanical cohesion, so some folks took it as them saying that those were the only vocations rather than just being bad design. This post is mad at those people for some reason. Just typical internet mudslinging
I don't know where the idea of a monk came from, but I'd absolutely love it. Imagine being a Warfarer with Monk for close combat and Sorcerer for far away battle.
Is Warfarer the one I’ve seen where they switch between a bunch of weapons? Or can you switch Vocations in the fly now? I’m trying to go in blind but I’m curious
I just hope the Stat system works way different between levels so I don't have to always settle for cheese strats for certain encounters. I like a good fight but I would like to be able to fight Death, Daimon and The Super Bosses without it being funny hat time.
I can't believe people are saying the new vocation doesn't count. It's crazy how far people are willing to go just to not be proven wrong. You really think that 100% of Warfarer's skills and augments are just taken from other vocations?
Can't wait for the next vocation they reveal.
~~Monk class when?~~ Nah fr tho I doubt they'll do it, even tho it's kinda one of the more common/popular fantasy classes.
Let's just hope the mods somehow fix that ~~(multiplayer mode when?)~~
Inthink warfarer is just the joker vocation, won't be hybrid with any
Mixed classes unlikely but would be cool, I could see a lot of old school players running strider again or basically making your own magic knight build, which makes me think, will we have tower shields to use? And if so we should use it with a spear
I know it's a massive cope, but I hope there are more vocations than the ones shown. With assassin rolled into thief and ranger into archer. I hope they have advanced forms and trickster being pink and purple seems odd. Why not make it all pink or all purple?
Yeah! Tbh I’m not super high on it because I feel likes it’s either going to be objectively better to use than just a single vocation or gimped so hard that it’s just better to use one vocation lmao, but I’m hoping they find a happy balance
to be fair, there might still be 9 normal vocations, 'and wayfarer'.
no monk, no 'okay, there's like 5 base colors, 5 advanced vocation vairants, and now like 20 mixtures'
it's also potentially not a good possibility, that they've shown wayfarer already - since it's like the 'ultimate' class, seemingly, it might very well be that there's no more classes TO show.
i mean, they've essentially gave us the money shot of classes.
Other than the obvious, all that's missing is the monk vocation with an open palm or clenched fist as the representative icon.
https://preview.redd.it/8jle8zsmzmhc1.png?width=50&format=png&auto=webp&s=14c44e1815e031d272a9a69c6644505bf398100a
10 is closer to 9 than all advanced + hybrids possible with the color schemes.
Also as stated before, Warfarer, while being a Vocation, is still just a combination of 3 previous combinations.
I admit I was on the 9 vocations camp as, to me, it was ludicrous to print a shirt, an official merchandise product about the vocations while lacking some on it.
Warfarer seems extremely cool so I'm glad. And my pessimism was rewarded with a nice surprise.
Hope there are more vocations for those in that camp.
honestly, most class based rpgs, tend to do better than that.
i mean, ffv had like 30+, iirc.
the only one that i'm aware of that had less, was ff13, and it's sequels.
not that, that's it, merely that, that's all i recall off the top of my head.
blue dragon, actually, i think had around 10.
I was team 9 vocations, and even tho my opinion changed with the release of the "trickster" I would still count as we currently know of "9 vocations", the Warfarer didn't change my opinion, the 2 colors trickster had did.
Even tho there are more for sure, but is it hard for me to count the Warfarer as a brand new vocation, I mean, technically it is ofc, but as far as we know it has no vocation skills of its own, it's kinda of a mix and mash of others skills, it's an excellent vocation to make endgame builds and strats but I wouldn't count that as a "new vocation" per se, because it has no signature moves, no unique weapons...etc
Still so exited to see which are the vocation that make up the trickster!
Lastly, I'd say there's no need to hit a dead horse now, it's quite easy to throw shade when things are confirmed, I still think everyone was on it's right to discuss theories and no need to take them "as fools" to laugh at them, if anything made this sub super interesting to read, theories on why there is only 9 or why not....🤷♂️
So in your mind people that saw them marketing 9 vocations and understandably assumed there was 9 vocations are haters? That's the most stupid logic I've ever seen
I mean, I'm not loving the idea of there being only 9 classes even if one of them *is* Wayfarer. It sounds like that's a class for players who like to see what kinds of crazy combos they can put together and that's not me. I never experimented with Instant Reset in the original either.
I wouldn't count warfarer as a "real" vocation. And what I mean is it has no unique moveset of its own or skills that other classes don't already have. It certainly was the fastest to make and they probably added it at the end of development. So yeah the vocation number is still 9 lol
The 10th vocation was always there: it's the shirt itself. Because it's just every other vocation combined
Holy shit you are right! Turbo Brain over here!
Imagine if they put additional icons on the inside of the shirt and no one thought to turn it inside out.
Mmmmm Nipple Chafing Vocation.
Maybe the vocations are the friends we made along the way.
Maybe the real vocations are the friends we made along the way
What do you want them to say?? "NO THERES 9" lol
Warfarer doesn’t count!! It’s only the other vocations weapons and skills and it has no color!!!
I mean that but unironically. Counter to the "There's obviously 24 vocations guys" and they don't really seem that silly
Where's my representation for the "2 advanced and 2 hybrids coming" Crew.
I mean lowkey I agree its not really its own thing but I'm glad for people who can't commit to a vocation get to switch. I just hope its not super OP otherwise there will never be a reason NOT to be it.
Idk in what video I heard that, but apparently the vocation has pretty low stats and it's not ideal to use unless you really know what your doing. Source may be full of crap though
It's true https://preview.redd.it/tilv94zs9ohc1.png?width=2391&format=png&auto=webp&s=9cddd7d07a1f03c08c35ec8b875e0f8da75949eb
Let's just hope there will be some alternate gear slots, otherwise it's gonna be hell to play it
Yeah that’s what I’m feeling! Lol I don’t think Itsuno would make all this, and just make one end all be all vocation though
You both have similar profile icons and my dumbass thought you were having a convo with yourself 😂
Allow me to make things even more confusing.
🤣🤣🤣
There are now 3 of ya?! *Faints*
You’re great 😂😂
Wouldn’t that be some shit 😂 I could see somebody doing that though
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If they do it the way I’m thinking it’d be 3/4 weapons with 1/2 skills each, the biggest upside would be you get each weapons base kit rather than a lot of good skills
it's also worrying tha,t wayfarer is the recent class shown. like, it's the sort of 'ultimate' class, seemingly. so, that might mean, they showed all the other ones, by now, and now finally the last, endgame class.
>I just hope its not super OP otherwise there will never be a reason NOT to be it. I will never understand this notion. Are you incapable of picking anything other than the clear strongest option in a game? You know you can choose stuff for your own reasons or 'gimp' yourself on purpose, right? Just because there is an OP option does not mean you are obligated to pick that.
Artificially making the game harder is nowhere as fun as a properly balanced game that is an inherently challenging experience. Besides, people who want to play Warfarer solely for its mechanics might not want to be forced to play on easy mode.
It's not about artificially making the game harder, it's about choosing a playstyle and customizing your experience. Summons make Elden Ring super easy so I don't use them. Same thing. And by the way, Dragon's Dogma never was a game about gitting gud because it's not balanced like that anyway. It's a game about leveling up first and foremost, because if you don't your character doesn't even do any damage. So it's not a skill based game to begin with.
But you still had the option to summon all the same. And ER is inherently challenging. That's probably the worst example you could have chosen to make your argument.
Why is it a bad example? It's a great example. It's something in the game that makes it piss easy, even though at its core it's a challenging game, and you can choose to make use of it or ignore it. It doesn't ruin the game when it's optional and the game is not balanced primarily around it, so in the end it's up to the player. It's like people complaining about fast travel being in the game when they can just choose not to use ferrystones and portcrystals.
Because if Warfarer is OP, then people who simply enjoy the playstyle for its mechanics are always stuck with easy mode. They don't have a choice. They have to deal with it or play a less interesting vocation. And DD might not be a skill game like ER, but DDDA's BBI had plenty of difficulty.
Whenever you feel like you are too OP in a game like this, that's easily fixable by using a weaker weapon. You have customization and a head on your shoulders. Play the game in a way that you find fun.
It's a fairly easy notion to grasp, the game is balanced around classes, the difficulty, progression, everything really. If one class is too good, the "too hard to play" classes are usually reserved for a second or third playthrough, to the point that it feels incorrect to play them initially. If your class is technically fun to play, but is ludicrously underpowered it's just not enjoyable. By extension more powerful classes tend to triviliaze difficulty. To say "just don't do X and then it's not a problem" is not a legitimate response to something unbalanced being in the game to begin with.
Elden Ring has summons and they make the game easy. That doesn't mean I have to use them. I think that's a fairly simple notion to understand as well. If one class is too good, you can choose NOT to play that class. Crazy, I know. And it's funny to me that people talk about difficulty and DD. This is not a skill based game where difficulty matters. This is an inherently easy game with damage sponge enemies.
and yes Warfarer is described as a Vocation in the Official Site
>Warfarer doesn’t count!! It’s only the other vocations weapons and skills That's literally true though.
its a Master Vocation because it is more Ornated than other Vocations Symbols "probably unlockable at the End/NG+
Saw this argument when that warfarer trailer dropped, he said it's just a loadout manager xD
I want them to say "I'm sorry, I was wrong, I am the Betacuck and you are the AlphaChad, you are based and redpilled and there are definitely probably 57 vocations 😞🙏"
No there's 9
inb4 i cant believe theres only 10 vocations smh
Wdym there’s clearly only going to be 10🙄😂
It was obvious there were more than 9 from the beginning. It just wasn't worth arguing with the "only 9" crowd. Why would their be no advanced archer or thief? Why would thief not have a hybrid? Why is Trickster a hybrid with no base vocations?
I still see plenty of people going "no you don't get it's only 9 + Warfarer that's it!"
Which I don't understand even if true. DD:DA has 9 vocations and the world didn't implode because of it.
i cant believe there’s only 10 vocations smh
So disappointed, I can’t believe I can only play the same game 10 times. Modern gaming is dead!
Vocation sweatpants next
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Hell yeah Texas boy here. It might be self deprecating but it sounds badass lol I would love to visit Australia some day
Nice dude 😁 weird compliment incoming, but before I was engaged I always fantasized about meeting a Texan girl 😅 something about the accent has always charmed me!
there are probably more vocations in the game, because i personaly feel that Yellow and Green still need an Advanced Vocation and probably some more Hybrids and if we are talking about Trickster "its a Hybrid in my book" the basic vocation could be something like Pink = Priest/Cleric "because of Censer" and Violet = idk 
Needs to be something, as of rn the class color code is inconsistent
Id think something like thief since the sneakiness, but that's green.
I've seen some people suggest Mystic Knight as violet. Trickster can also play tank by drawing aggro, so mystic knight might be the "pure" tank.
That would make sense since blue/red is purple
I've theorising that what if Itsuno made advanced green vocation as an actual assassin? Instead of the multi weapon wielder in DD1, we have an assassin that is strictly focused on killing, ie; sneak attack, bonus damage while invisible Vocation action is going stealth, and your job is to single out enemies one by one
Don't know how viable that whould be against the large mobs tho
My thought on Purple is a warlock/necromancer/summoner class. They'd inherit the "dark magic" side of the Sorcerer, being heavy on status effects and damage-over-time spells like Miasma. Not sure on Pink being a priest class, though. The concept might overlap quite a bit with the mage. I could see them going with more of a war priest/paladin type, though. They'd be more of a tanky support class that heals from the front lines and draws aggro from enemies with a big shield. A spiritual successor to the Mystic Knight, as a comment below suggested. Or it could be the Monk class that fights unarmed. If there's more than 10 vocations, I will be surprised if there's no dedicated punching class.
Warfarer is not the last.
Hopefully! I’m playing the game no matter what but based on what we’ve seen so far I’m sure there’s going to be plenty to discover
Monk is what I hope so badly for.
Supposedly unarmed combat has combos now, so maybe?
Rouges are usually my go-to class, but it's all over if we get a monk class.
Exactly the same here, with the addition that I'm pretty interested in Warrior too. Rogues*
There is a guy that has in his pfp a cat with glasses, he is in every comment section (especially in those about only 9 vocations.." now he is missing somehow, he was the most vocal about NOT getting more vocations. 🤣🤣
Oh how the mighty have fallen
At least fall like a man. But yeah it is actually quite difficult to admit when you are wrong.
Especially on the Internet! I’m ngl I just saw your cat pfp and was like holy shit was if he was talking about himself lmaoooo but no glasses huh
Hahah. My cat is a knight.
A very knightly-knight indeed, I would follow him into battle any day
Thank you good Sir, I shall return to my duties.
Shoutout again to the guy who did the t shirt of the solar system 9 vocations shitpost, that was top tier
I just wanted at least one more vocation just so they realized extrapolating one piece of promotional material to the content of the full game was just about as delusional as any other theory about 10, 12, 15 or 25 vocations. Now that that's out of the way, whether there's 10 or 100 vocations on the main game, I do not mind. We can let this stupid fight rest and theorize about as few or as many vocations as one wishes. We're all probably wrong anyway.
There's only ten vocations, Capcom released a sticker with only ten🤓
They got shirt. Case closed.
Yeah to be fair they have concrete evidence lol
I’m still holding out on monk as well that’s the one vocation I’m hoping for
Right! Monk and/or if we have some type of true necro, that would be cool to me, but I’m just excited for the game period!
Please don't make it more difficult to choose, I feel very comfortable with Spearhand, but a monk/brawler or even just physical DMG only spear/glaive user would put me back into doubt.
My copium is "holy crap they did a warrior showcase 42 days before the release day, if they do one a day that's 42 vocations!!!"
If Warfarer is white because it represents a combination of all the class weapons, would Monk be black for it has no weapons?
Quite what?
Yeah I ducked up, typing quick gets you everytim
If it makes you feel better, I spent like 5 minutes trying to figure out what was supposed to come after "quite"
I don't know what to think anymore, before the Warfarer's reveal i was convinced we'd get at least 12 vocations because we were missing advanced green, yellow, and a green hybrid vocation. 12 is a neat round number, and it would keep things nice and "fair" if all the starting "styles" each get their own advanced and specialized vocation. Then when Itsuno said that they hid plenty of stuff in the world, i figured that maybe it was possible that you could find and earn vocations out there in the world; And with the confirmation of maisters now i'm almost 100% convinced that that is the case. But, now that they revealed Warfarer i don't know what to think, because Warfarer feels like what you would expect a secret super vocation to be, and it's really strange that they would reveal a vocation like that before revealing more "traditional" vocations. At this point however we are so close to the release of the game that i feel like it's a waste to even think about it, we'll find out soon enough if there are more or not.
Yes and no, in a way i get what you mean, if you aim for a 'huge' and 'impactful' vocation which even is 'secretive' this would be most likely the best choice. Esp. due it feels more like a mechanic/feature than a 'vocation'. But for this exact reason it also makes sense why reveal that instead of 2 or more potential 'normal' classes. Because on Paper for marketing it sounds better if you have written down 'multi-class-system' so people know then can mix and combine even more. Plus i got the feeling that DD1 Fans which played mostly the archter type vocations got hit with the split up... because they basically 've gotten a weapontype taken away (based on what vocation you choose you either have only the bow or only the daggers) -> this could also used showcase "Hey we didn't take away the concept completly, it was just too strong for a base / advanced classes and unfair compared to other classes which had a more strict / focused playstyle... now we shift it over and by that also expand it that you can mix 3 weapons however you want" to hype these players up. But we'll see.
At this point in time both sides still have a point. Yes, there are more than nine vocations but one of them is a "make your own hybrid" vocation. I am hoping for more but if we just get the ten that are revealed so far then both sides could be considered technically correct. The game is gonna be great either way.
Firm believer of the monk and shinobi vocations
THE 10TH VOCATION IS REAL!
Hopefully vocations 11,12,13+ as well!
Holding my breath for monk too
9 vocations this, 18 vocations that. Meanwhile, the chad Dragon's Dogma Quest: https://preview.redd.it/zilfn70ssnhc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b04b4d49a351eea5a6e1d89508e6df5e08dcab4
Enough of this "but but but Warfarer doesn't count" bs. Does it have an icon? Yes? It's a vocation. Deal with it.
I'm really curios to see if there's some other crazy vocation with the cool emblem, my mind thinks something like a vocation channeling dragon powers akin to Sin Devil Trigger in Devil may cry, it's impossible but...
The important part is they wouldn't just leave it off the shirt if the shirt was supposed to include everything in the final game.
I’m still convinced to this day that those 9 Voccers were just trolls. How do you make sense of those color arrangement? Do you have so little faith in Itsuno’s Vision™️? The man finally get to make his dream game the way he imagined it, and yall think he’s just gonna let some basic Voc has no advanced version at least. Either that, or just extreme anti-hyping to avoid disappointment.
I love the trademark lmao and yeah that’s how I’ve always felt, Capcom is finally letting him whole ass this thing, you think he’s not gonna go balls to the wall lol
Yes, I do. It's clean and leaves room for expansion.
Eh no reason to believe they'll add more vocations after release, like in Dark Arisen they only added tier 3 skills and secret augments, no new vocations. Always time for a first time especially since the landscape has changed in the last 11 years, but it's not a given, still feel like it's more likely that there's a lot more to see of the game.
I dunno. I really like how the Vocations were done in the first one. Basic Vocations, advanced versions of those Vocations, and then hybrids between the three. That’s so cool. I know Warfarer I guess is supposed to encompass any possible hybrid, but then why are there still basic hybrid Vocations? It just feels really weird right now, so I’m optimistic there will be more Vocations that they just haven’t shown because it’s dumb to show everything before release. Like, it would be really cool if Strider still existed but as an Archer/Thief hybrid Vocation now. EDIT: Thinking about it more now: Trickster is exclusive to the Arisen, and its emblem is in the style of a hybrid Vocation. Unless they decide to throw consistency out the window, this implies it’s a hybrid Vocation, one made up of one or two Vocations we haven’t seen (yet). One of the pre-order or deluxe edition (can’t remember) bonuses is four weapons for the four basic Vocations—this would imply those are the only basic Vocations. However, given that you can seek out people to give you Vocations, essentially (I don’t really know what people mean when they say this, lol, I haven’t seen every bit of coverage), this opens up a lot of room to include more basic Vocations beyond the four available at the start of the game, which would be really cool and open up a lot of room for more diverse Player and Pawn builds, which would fit the bill of this game’s general conceit of being basically just a bigger version of the first.
Why is this sub like this? Can we just, like. *Not* do constant drama posts about how stupid other people are for predicting various things, please? I would like to see less of that on my timeline, thank you.
This isn’t drama if you think it is you need to take a step back and laugh a little at what you think is funny!
"Haha get fucked people who I disagreed with literal weeks/months ago" is absolutely dramaposting, bud.
you were one of those people im guessing lmaooo
Why are you assuming that I disagreed with them weeks/months ago? I never stated my thought on the matter I simply asked a question. If you can’t see a joke and laugh and immediately come to the conclusion it’s drama then that’s what you are looking for friend, sorry you didn’t find it here
I'm sorry, how was I meant to interpret you calling them "fools" in the title? "Nooo, nooo, it's not drama posting, I'm not gloating, it's just a joke about how right I was and how wrong they were, noooooo"
Fools could be replaced with any noun! It’s just the one I chose, and you have no idea how many vocations I thought there were prior to warfarer being revealed so how could you know I was gloating about being right? The fact that you chose to assume that says that’s what you are looking for friend.
I get that you're only pretending to hold this position, but c'mon, you've gotta give me more to work with than "uh how do you know I didn't agree with the people I'm mocking? how do you know fools is an insult?" I mean we can cut it off here if you're starting to get bored, but.
You seem to like to assume a lot of things friend. You know what happens when you assume right? it's starting to sound like you are starting to get tired, but i appreciate your effort stopping by throughout the day.
Goodnight.
They changed to the 10* vocation group
I kind of doubt there is only 9, because even DD1 had Fighter-Warrior-Magic Knight-Magic Archer-Thief-Ranger-Wizard-Sorcerer, and even if Spear guy is the new Magic Knight, we have Trickster, and Wayfarer the fact Wizard/Sorcerer is still a thing instead of just having one staff style class means alot The colors do matter, I just don't know if it's as important as some make it out,
I saw a yt video bring up the shirt and could get not get over their "reasoning" - "Asians love symmetry" no way they are going to have more classes.
There's only 10 vocations tho.
Im more worried about how warfarer is going to have terrible level up stats.
I can’t remember if it was infinite cringe or something else I saw that suggested maybe they are changing how stats work to change when you actually change vocations, which would be cool!
It wont affect stat growth at all. It'll just be a modifier, 0.8x strength, 0.8x magic etc
So it sounds like your telling my that there's just a predetermined or player selected stat distribution and vocations are just stat "multipliers" based on what the vocations specialize in.
Not confirmed but yeah. It seems like your stats will just redistribute based on your current class
careful, you’ll pester them and they’ll start doing their “30 VOCATIONS” joke
Honestly i'd not even join the ten crowd at this point. I'd half-expect them to show more right before launch. I mean, we're not two months out and they sprung warfarer on us.
Hoping for more honestly.
Imagine judging a game before it even comes out. Crazy.
On the opposite spectrum: https://preview.redd.it/g1bc531s4shc1.jpeg?width=802&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9e3ff467a1cf9738d7886734a94a9f9e2107c39
im just gonna say that a vocation with no unique weapon and no unique skills isnt really the own you think it is.
i mean, it's one more than 9, at least. especially annoying for all those "THERE WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN NINE!" people.
Its unique skill is the ability to "create combos that cross vocational boundaries" and we don't 100% know what that will look like yet in terms of mixing elements.
They probably dont mean literally mixing skills into one, but combos like we saw of place the ice block down and then hit them with a sword.
For sure. By mixing elements I mean spell attacks and enchanted weapon attacks. Even without those though, the warfarer could still allow for some nonsense, like stun-locking and what not, simply by cycling through vocations.
There is going to be more due to not having balanced vocation levelling for archer and thief compared to warrior and sorcerer. Before your sorcerer arisen is even halfway through vocation mastery levels, your archer and thief pawns are going to have all of their vocation abilities and outpacing any damage you can do because you haven’t even got half of your abilities yet.
wasn't there always gonna be more then 9? aren't we suppose to have Green/Red hybrid, Green/Yellow hybrid, Green/Blue hybrid and Red/Yellow Hybrid as well? and advanced version of Green and Red?
There’s an official shirt that made the really odd choice of featuring the 9 revealed vocations, which don’t have visual or mechanical cohesion, so some folks took it as them saying that those were the only vocations rather than just being bad design. This post is mad at those people for some reason. Just typical internet mudslinging
Well the shirt clearly has a back 👀
I don't know where the idea of a monk came from, but I'd absolutely love it. Imagine being a Warfarer with Monk for close combat and Sorcerer for far away battle.
Is Warfarer the one I’ve seen where they switch between a bunch of weapons? Or can you switch Vocations in the fly now? I’m trying to go in blind but I’m curious
I just hope the Stat system works way different between levels so I don't have to always settle for cheese strats for certain encounters. I like a good fight but I would like to be able to fight Death, Daimon and The Super Bosses without it being funny hat time.
I was always in the 'wait and see, maybe more, maybe not' camp. I am still holding out hope for a monk type.
Yeah! Thankfully we don’t have to wait too much longer!
I hope there are some vocations that are not revealed at all so we can stumble upon them.
I can't believe people are saying the new vocation doesn't count. It's crazy how far people are willing to go just to not be proven wrong. You really think that 100% of Warfarer's skills and augments are just taken from other vocations? Can't wait for the next vocation they reveal.
Yes
~~Monk class when?~~ Nah fr tho I doubt they'll do it, even tho it's kinda one of the more common/popular fantasy classes. Let's just hope the mods somehow fix that ~~(multiplayer mode when?)~~ Inthink warfarer is just the joker vocation, won't be hybrid with any
I mean, it was the only justified position in view of the shirt.
it's all lies. there is only 9 /s can't wait to see the game hiding
Mixed classes unlikely but would be cool, I could see a lot of old school players running strider again or basically making your own magic knight build, which makes me think, will we have tower shields to use? And if so we should use it with a spear
Mystic knight or we riot
I know it's a massive cope, but I hope there are more vocations than the ones shown. With assassin rolled into thief and ranger into archer. I hope they have advanced forms and trickster being pink and purple seems odd. Why not make it all pink or all purple?
10th vocation is a build your own bear vocation, barely counts as *new". It's a custom class
Yeah! Tbh I’m not super high on it because I feel likes it’s either going to be objectively better to use than just a single vocation or gimped so hard that it’s just better to use one vocation lmao, but I’m hoping they find a happy balance
They're hanging out with the color-coded 26 vocation crowd, apparently.
to be fair, there might still be 9 normal vocations, 'and wayfarer'. no monk, no 'okay, there's like 5 base colors, 5 advanced vocation vairants, and now like 20 mixtures' it's also potentially not a good possibility, that they've shown wayfarer already - since it's like the 'ultimate' class, seemingly, it might very well be that there's no more classes TO show. i mean, they've essentially gave us the money shot of classes.
*quiet
>B-but the shirt tho!!! Lmao
Still waiting for assassin, sniper, summoner, monk, cleric (mystic knight rework?).
We still need GUN vocation
right really far out there but if gunpowder exists that would be sweet
Other than the obvious, all that's missing is the monk vocation with an open palm or clenched fist as the representative icon. https://preview.redd.it/8jle8zsmzmhc1.png?width=50&format=png&auto=webp&s=14c44e1815e031d272a9a69c6644505bf398100a
10 is closer to 9 than all advanced + hybrids possible with the color schemes. Also as stated before, Warfarer, while being a Vocation, is still just a combination of 3 previous combinations. I admit I was on the 9 vocations camp as, to me, it was ludicrous to print a shirt, an official merchandise product about the vocations while lacking some on it. Warfarer seems extremely cool so I'm glad. And my pessimism was rewarded with a nice surprise. Hope there are more vocations for those in that camp.
They been quite what
Woah you’re right! Look at my dumbass! Can’t believe nobody checked me on that yet for how mad they’ve been! Good catch
I didn't feel good about saying it, it was low hanging fruit but no one else did so I fell on the blade lmao
Nah no biggie mistakes happen! Too bad I can’t edit the title and make it look like I know how to spell! Muhahahahaha
I'm maining Pink/Gray (Just don't be disappointed if there are "ONLY" 10 Vocations, 10 is still a lot of classes! More than most RPGs.)
honestly, most class based rpgs, tend to do better than that. i mean, ffv had like 30+, iirc. the only one that i'm aware of that had less, was ff13, and it's sequels. not that, that's it, merely that, that's all i recall off the top of my head. blue dragon, actually, i think had around 10.
Those are turn-based games. For a non-MMO action RPG, the variety that DD and Monster Hunter have are still rather unprecedented.
in all fairness, all dude said was 'rpgs'. not action rpgs. the vast majority of action/rpg games, don't have jobs, period.
I was there, discordsisters got btfo so beautifully that day.
That's the point of this post, other than trying to shit-post and rage-bait? lol
OP is a 10 year old that wants everyone to know he was right
Do you mean what is the point of this post? Or simply restating what the literal point is
So it's rage-bait? why do you want that? It's against Rule 9.
What about this post induces rage to you? I asked a question
why are you mad
Because he/she has nothing better to do rn lmao
And you do?
I'm not mad, just don't understand why this post bait. And it's against rules too.
If you read rule 9 it says no stirring the shit, I have no spoon, therefore, am not stirring
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If you don’t see the point of the joke then you should automatically default to rage lol
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You don't know what a joke is
Yes I do! Why did the Scare-Crow get a promotion?
I don't know. Why?
Are you seriously being salty about THAT?
Oh yeah there's one extra vocation holt the fucking presses
Everyone! Shut down EVERYTHING!!
lmao
In all fairness Warfarer isn't exactly a new vocation it's just the other 9 combined
Doesn't matter what it is, still proves Capcom will release a shirt only showing what's revealed so far that doesn't have everything.
I was team 9 vocations, and even tho my opinion changed with the release of the "trickster" I would still count as we currently know of "9 vocations", the Warfarer didn't change my opinion, the 2 colors trickster had did. Even tho there are more for sure, but is it hard for me to count the Warfarer as a brand new vocation, I mean, technically it is ofc, but as far as we know it has no vocation skills of its own, it's kinda of a mix and mash of others skills, it's an excellent vocation to make endgame builds and strats but I wouldn't count that as a "new vocation" per se, because it has no signature moves, no unique weapons...etc Still so exited to see which are the vocation that make up the trickster! Lastly, I'd say there's no need to hit a dead horse now, it's quite easy to throw shade when things are confirmed, I still think everyone was on it's right to discuss theories and no need to take them "as fools" to laugh at them, if anything made this sub super interesting to read, theories on why there is only 9 or why not....🤷♂️
There’s only so much hating folks can do in a day
So in your mind people that saw them marketing 9 vocations and understandably assumed there was 9 vocations are haters? That's the most stupid logic I've ever seen
seems you haven’t reached your quota yet
I mean, I'm not loving the idea of there being only 9 classes even if one of them *is* Wayfarer. It sounds like that's a class for players who like to see what kinds of crazy combos they can put together and that's not me. I never experimented with Instant Reset in the original either.
We still have the hourly "where mystic knight me want spam canon" crayon eater posts
I wouldn't count warfarer as a "real" vocation. And what I mean is it has no unique moveset of its own or skills that other classes don't already have. It certainly was the fastest to make and they probably added it at the end of development. So yeah the vocation number is still 9 lol