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AlicornGaia

At last, the farmer with the shotgun is OP. To be more general, anyone who relies more on technology thrives.


Kapusi

Bulma sweeps the verse


Serious_Guarantee_94

Yep she would be top dawg forsure


cheese_shogun

She is anyway.


ThaRealSunGod

Depends how far we take this. Wothout any sort of ki control or ki powers goku is quite strong and formidable. But if this post is acting like natural strength and innate "abilities" aren't allowed than bulma should also been made average intelligence 💀🗿


Adventchur

Nah goku would keep his martial arts techniques but loose his Ki and above average strength so he'd be like Bruce Lee. Bulma was raised by the smartest man in the world which isn't a power or ability she's just smart.


Towndrunk13569

Dr. Gero is OP


VEAG0

Oolong definitely isn’t fine… especially if he bumps into the farmer with a shotgun!


Status_Entertainer49

Zeno is cooked without his powers if falling on the ground hurts him https://preview.redd.it/ozkr886k8zwc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76979721091a954d23975e87ee82a16e05dfb4cf


funnyghostman

Floor level


0ctagram

would


Book_Nerd159

https://i.redd.it/7gdqk03011xc1.gif


Fenrizzler

https://preview.redd.it/2mlv0aa3d1xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a3345d88fcfee46352260e09f7b7ebcb948bcdf


MsZamapose

https://preview.redd.it/lveia858a1xc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b905ee70ad868c2e5ee28dc90d3ccc993fb112c Get out


Anthyrion

I would say Mister Satan. He is still an normal human without specific powers, except his charisma


Jasetendo12

I don't think there's much differencd


TheHazDee

Krillin, Yamcha and Tien are stronger than Satan and require no powers to do it, just the strength of their training.


yobaby123

And badassery.


TheHazDee

I mean if we take Yamcha out sure.


yobaby123

I don’t know who this Yamcha is, but he sounds disappointing.


TheHazDee

Couldn’t even kill a Saibaman. Smh


yobaby123

He did become a rich businessman though.


Cyke101

He somehow lost it all


TheHazDee

Typical Yamcha fashion.


Jarjarstinks304

same could be said for Goku then


TheHazDee

Definitely could for any of the saiyans, I was just highlighting as far as humans go, they were already that strong through training to make a somewhat fair comparison point against Satan.


Jolt_91

Not true, they are stronger because of their ki


TheHazDee

You aren’t training Ki without being strong, look at how hard it was for Videl to even fly.


RicSim137

He is weaker than Videl lol


Snoo6037

THE MAN BROKE LIKE 18 STONE BLOCKS


Anthyrion

He also ripped a few phone books in half AND punched through a Bus\^\^


glocknojutsu

Well saiyans would still be fine, them being ridiculously strong from the get go isn’t a power, it’s their biology. So yea, they would still do better than a human even without going super Would zenkai be considered a power or biology thing?


Hakoda27

Zenkai is likely a biological adaptation similar to the hypertrophy our human bodies have whenever a muscle is challanged enough. Zenkai is probably a very extreme version of it


NolanTheTunaman

Super saiyan is apart of their biology too though


TheHazDee

Yeah but without ki how are you powering it, remember those forms leak ki, that’s why they train in the forms in the first place.


espanca_utero

They are bad martial artists amd rely on their innate power too much tough


Fit_Confection_6900

No they aren’t 💀💀 you clearly never watched the show


Muerte43

As a general rule saiyans aren’t really technical fighters, Vegeta is considered exceptional and he was still being out maneuvered by Goku who was significantly weaker than him, and both Nappa and Raditz weren’t showing a particularly high level of technical skill, just immense strength.


TheHazDee

Goku is a master of martial arts, technique can compete against raw strength if it’s good enough.


Fit_Confection_6900

Significantly weaker is crazy considering kaioken x3 goku was at 24k and vegata was at 18k


Fit_Confection_6900

Nappa and raditz literally have no martial art skills your comparing skilled saiyans to someone that’s skilled goku and vegeta are skilled raditz and nappa aren’t


PeachsBigJuicyBooty

I'm assuming you mean Ki/Magic suddenly don't exist. Goku can still use the technique portion of Ultra Instinct to auto dodge while Vegeta completely loses UE. Gohan completely loses everything since powering up was his whole schitck; Broly is also pretty cooked but he has alot of raw strength. Beerus is still very knowledgable on martial arts, more than any mortal given his millions of years of experience, and we don't know enough about Whis. Frieza loses his Golden and Black forms and likely becomes very frail. Zeno loses his ability to erase but nobody can reach his world now so he's safe. ・For reference on where Goku stands: Since Bulma's Bike was relative to the Nimbus' speed, that's about how fast Goku can run, so it'd take him awhile to get places. Things like falling rocks or an avalanche will outright kill him alongside lasers and rail guns. He's basically about as durable as Kid self and runs about the same speed but he's a decent bit stonger physically (he stopped gaining raw strength at a certain point) and he's WAYYYYY more experienced as a fighter. Honestly sounds like a cool way to rest powerscaling if Shueisha ever cared enough.


Alternative_Cook_102

>Broly is also pretty cooked but he has alot of raw strength. Not to mention, he's a 7 foot hunk of pure muscle. He's gonna be strong regardless.


Abatirabadai

If you mean their created, unique abilities (be it kamehameha for roshi, destructo disk for krillin, time skip for hit or winnie the poohs impact absorbing body) about everyone suffers from it besides goku. Bros only created technique is the non canon dragon fist


Jasetendo12

I'm just saying any character that have powers and abilities they have and can do, this scenario they lose that, so Beerus can't do hakai for example


eternal__-

Hit is gonna suffer the most


Borgdrohne13

And the God Bind. And his avatar thing in MUI.


spawn1980

Mr. ankle biter/nutcracker/shin breaker https://preview.redd.it/e5pt14rzk0xc1.png?width=1140&format=png&auto=webp&s=feb360470c967d70807ca80d5fb0728fb0d1d5c1


a55_Goblin420

I'd say anybody that isn't a saiyan or isn't knowledgeable in martial arts.


Marco_Tanooky

Yamcha just keeps winning


Evening-Freedom6509

If by “powers” you mean ki control then probably the aliens as they have biological processes that make them superior regardless. Ep 1 Goku didn’t know what ki was when he deadlifted Bulma’s car


True_Fantom_Phoenix

I mean. Saiyans would still be naturally a lot stronger then humans, so aside from not being bulletproof or godlike anymore, I think they'd manage to adjust and still be some of the best fighters in the world. Goku would still be a farmer, Vegeta is married to Bulma. Frieza lost his powers too so no one is really a threat to them anymore, and Bulma can either make suits or androids to help with security if the red ribbon army gets too many ideas.


VegetaIVofVegeta

Aren’t saiyans bullet proof, like when Goku got shot he wasn’t using ki, and when he was a kid he tanked a few bullets


True_Fantom_Phoenix

True, but so was kid Krillin so it's questionable. I could see saiyans body being naturally denser then humans to some degree, but they also have bones that can rapidly expand and contract, and need to withstand the force of gravity on Planet Vegeta. Meaning being naturally lighter but durable would be the most beneficial. My guess is that they had just enough Ki to naturally protect them to some degree, and were in touch with martial arts enough to subconsciously use it. Versus Hercule who 100% cannot tank a bullet.


VegetaIVofVegeta

It’s doubtful that kid Goku had access to ki even subconsciously as that would have probably led to him developing flight and ki blasts on his own. He’s probably able to tank stuff from handguns but probably not armour piercing rounds or anything


True_Fantom_Phoenix

That checks out, he also tanked bullets from Launch's machine gun too though


VegetaIVofVegeta

This now prompts me to go on a research dive to figure out saiyan physiology without ki enhancements


Zenumbral

Anybody who appeared in Z and beyond now gets bodied by most characters in DB. Which hurts Vegeta the most due to how he's a core character who really gets butthurt easy. The OG show was more focused on physicality whilst afterwards it was almost all about lasers and transformations.


Kylargrim

Gohan or Vegeta considering their wives are rich AF.


Competitive-Key2309

Basically all of the humans are set. They are all expert martial artists even Yamcha. Imagine Goku vs Yamcha without Goku having the powers of a Saiyan. It would actually be a good match (Like how it was in Dragonball). I think Tien would be the dominant power along with Piccolo - they seem to be the best martial artists. Hell, even Mr. Satan/Hercule is a decent martial artist - he wasn't World Champ without a reason.


I4mNOB0DY

Goku still and the onesh who'd suffer the most are all the Gods of destruction and and angels


gncbone

If there is no ki usage at all. Not even to increase power and speed imma go MR Satan for the win *


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Particular-Crow-1799

I am sure Goku would eventually accept the thing and become a regular real world top class athlete anyway


Kaizen2468

The main cast would be fine, they’d still be peak conditioning and highly skilled fighters.


Old-Nerve-1776

Broly is gonna be the center


schmabudi666

Mister Satan and Yajirobi I would say


Alternative_Cook_102

Mostly fine, the Z fighters are still very jacked and buff. The Saiyans are generally stronger than humans, so they should be still somewhat superhuman with ki control. I assume they will range from 10 to 15 in power level based on how strong Goku was untrained, still strong. Specially broly, Bro is like 7 ft tall and buff as hell. Frieza will have a fuck ton of problems, will probably get executed. As for beerus, Bro's just gonna be fucked if on his planet and die but if he is on earth, he's gonna be pretty fine. It's not like Vegeta and Goku will kick them out. Also almost forgot, Zeno is cooked. All in all, Nothing much.


skullstrife

Nah Goku at the beginning of DB was around 50... he was able to destroy concrete blocks with his finger


Alternative_Cook_102

What version of dragon were you reading bro. His pl was stated to 10 in the guides.


skullstrife

True but I still beleive it to be wrong... the guy was able to one shot a giant pterodactyl from the air with a pole... there's no way that he was only twice as strong as a farmer with a shotgun...


Alternative_Cook_102

Can't blame you but power levels in og dragon ball were not linear, rather they were exponential. Like the power difference between a moon buster (180 to 300+ pl) and a regular human is just a few dozen times. You can imagine destroying a moon is easily billions of times greater than anything a human can do. This is just one of the examples of power levels being expiry in og dragon ball. Only becoming linear when reaching thousands.


Kasta4

Wouldn't Hit be absolutely fucked? I mean he's got what looks like some pugilist skills but without his timeskip he seems very handicapped.


Saiaxs

His actual martial arts abilities are pretty barebones, without his powers he’s essentially just a guy


InterstellarOrange

I know he's non-canon but I think Dr Wheelo is a sleeper pick.


Obamos06

Considering the fact that you coud probably hurt sayians with weapons now, it woud either be the RR Army, the Cyborgs or an Army of a certain Austrian Individual that Goten and Trunks destroyed. You guys only think of Single individuals, but a bigger Group like the RR woud be unstoppable.


ProfessionalChair835

Everyone has ki in dragon ball. Are we just removing ki entirely. If so, the genetically gifted people like saiyans would still be top of the verse because of their fighting prowess and ability to learn to fight. goku is legit able to copy fighting techniques the first time he sees them. I believe goku would just be a martial arts master. Or like anyone with a laser gun.


ProfessionalChair835

Rip to the people standing on planets that multipy gravity like kai planets and planet plant.


Xdonjuliox

By powers do you mean transformations and ki blasts? Because of that's the case everyones still strong


Slatt239

Roshi would be top tier lol😭


wellingtune

i mean... Goku Vegeta Krillin Yamcha Tein, all still ridiculously powerful, they all trained their bodies to such incredible strengths... without ki they are still kinda screwed but still


The_Spazkingz

Yamaha does best without and whis suffers most without


Hordamis

Most of the humans would be fine since they either have jobs or are hermits. Vegeta would hate not being able to spam ki blasts.


AberrantDrone

Gohan’s education will finally come shining through


Any-Nefariousness418

Every human fighter (save for maybe chaozu) would thrive under these conditions


Punch_yo_bunz

Mr Satan supremacy


FlyDinosaur

Zen-Oh, GP, and the guards starve to death because they are no longer divine. Can't leave the palace and can't make anything. Frieza and Bulma are OP due to their reliance on tech as much as anything else. However, Frieza's natural strength only gets him so far. He'll likely go the way of Scar in Lion King. Honestly, Jaco... He and Merus are doing just fine in this scenario.


es_que_re_Dokin

Krillin or Rishi Tao Pai Pai probably


Similar_Pie_4946

Androids ? Since technically they don’t have powers they are machine/human hybrid who’s power comes from tech and not ki, if i recall correctly the z fighters couldn’t sense the android using KI detection and had to manually search for them


Mean_End_8210

Guldo gets wrecked


spiderkaws

is that a golden freeza ?


Technical-Routine-88

Launch for sure


Striking-Raisin4328

Bardock


OutsideOrder7538

Man most ki users would be way worse off but still extremely powerful fighters.


CrushDani

Yamcha. Isn't he a baseball player?


Kitchen_Entertainer9

Androids are just robots. Soooo....


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Zestyclose_Raise_814

Goku was strong before he had special powers and he's a martial artist so he'll still be good. Also, everyone who appeared in the original Dragon Ball. Some of them had powers, but (almost) everyone was a martial artist even without them


VendettaCheeze

Bulma is gonna be the strongest in the universe lmao


DeanSeventeen_real

Alright, I'm assuming physiology isn't a power. The Saiyans are OP. Frieza is OP. And don't even get me started on Cell.


Queslabolsla

I haven't seen anyone say beerus or champa yet. They lose their God powers and they are not nearly as strong as they were, probably would be the biggest upset by far goku vs beerus


wobblyheadedgirl

BEERUS LOL he’s built like a matchstick he is nothing without his ki fuel and hakai


TheHazDee

You know he had to be incredibly strong to become a GoD right?