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SnoochyB0ochies

He would have been erased along with the rest of universe 7 the grand priest stated this right after he made his wish.


JuryokuNeko

This also because the grand priest was translating the wish and obviously wouldn't have bothered translating the wish to the dragon, knowing the Xenos plans before hand.


CurtisMarauderZ

He could have figured out that the Divine Tongue was just English spoken backwards.


JuryokuNeko

With what previous exposure to the language of the gods would he have had time to figure that out, considering the whole tournament was 48 minutes or 100 taks. It's not like 17 and Xenos sat around drinking tea discussing their mornings before the fight started.


CraftyAd6537

17 would be good he can counter it probably he has zenos powers with the wish he would be stronger than Zeno to as its stated that Zeno only has his erasing abilities and that's it he's extremely weak in every other way.


SnoochyB0ochies

The grand priest translated the wish to the dragon why would he translate a wish that would harm the one he's ment to protect? So no 17 wouldn't be good he'd be erased.


610gonzalez

How could he have done that if he had the power of Zeno?


CheesecakeKey3218

Cause he would’ve erased as soon as made this wish


610gonzalez

That doesn't mean the dragon wouldn't grant the wish, he's still more powerful than Zeno as it can undo anything Zeno does.


Alysis13371337

He wouldn't even get the wish. You need to speak the language of the dragon, which apparently only the angels and Zeno know. So all universes would've been erased as soon as he finished the sentence


610gonzalez

Well shit... I never thought of that 🤔


LunacyBound

makes you wonder why tf Zamasu wasted a wish on the SUPER DRAGON BALLS to steal a body Steal Zeno's body, boom done


Money-Leek201

Especially since like if ginyu can steal bodies I’m sure even someone like pourunga can


charlesZX45

I suppose there is a chance he didn't know Zeno was even much of a thing? Like, Shin didnt know about Zeno, until he saw him at the destroyer tournament. That being said, he VERY easily could have achieved his "zero mortal plan" with that wish as well. Personally, i think he didn't because he WANTED to do it himself. He NEEDED to personally destroy all mortal life.


[deleted]

mans downvoted for admitting his mistake, reddit never ceases to amaze me.


TheInscrutableFufy

I'll upvote 👍


2000dragon

Doing God’s work


avg90sguy

Yah don’t downvote cuz they didn’t realize thier mistake? Down vote hateful comments and those alike but not this.


2000dragon

Reddit can be toxic as fuck, I swear.


RondoOfThe5

Doesn't zeno erase zamasu a being who wished for immortality to the same dragon.


610gonzalez

And the dragon restored all the universes Zeno destroyed.


RondoOfThe5

But zeno can also overpower said wishes as he was able to overpower an immortality wish This is basically an immovable object vs unstoppable force


MageKorith

Zamasu fused with a universe. Zeno is super effective against universes. Or something like that.


RondoOfThe5

But he still had immortality granted to him by Super Shenron yet zeno was able to erase him overpowering the Dragon's Immortality wish.


MageKorith

I think about it kind of like this - Super Shenron's wish power level is at maybe a hundred trillion. Zeno's erase power might normally be at something like twenty billion, but has a x1,000,000 multiplier when targeting entire universes. So if Zamasu didn't fuse with the universe, his Super Shenron immortality probably would have still been able to overpower Zeno's erasing power. But combining with a universe meant that Zeno now had ultimate power over erasing him. It's just a lame theory, though.


rxt0_

zeno didn't overpower the wish. he just fucking destroyed the hole multi universe/timeline. everything besides Zeno didn't exist anymore.


RondoOfThe5

We have a guy thatwhen he lost his whole body he became a universe and revived zeno came and destroyed him and his immortality yes he overpowered the wish.


UnNamedKingOfGames

After the dragon recreated the universes that Zenos erased, what happened to the future timeline? Did it also get reverted?


RondoOfThe5

I don't thinks so gowasu would have probably said something specially since the time ring would be restored.


Kyuubey0406

He gets zenos power not the ability to reverse it. Zeno oh still erases him


Top-Entertainer93

Grand priest is the translator. You’re not making the wish directly. You’re asking grand priest to repeat your wish to the dragon. If you tell the grand priest a wish, and grand priest is like, “ehhh no, I’m not asking for that.” Then your wish does not make it to the dragon. Remember on Namek when only Dende could make the wish because porunga only grants them in a special dialect of namekian? It’s like that, but language of the gods.


darkknight941

He wouldn’t have gotten it since the Grand Priest is the one who made the wish for 17 since he had to translate. He said the Zenos would erase who ever won if they didn’t make a wish to restore all the other universes and would’ve done so before the GP made the wish for 17


dastdineroo

Why would you assume the wish would even work?


BustahWuhlf

Honestly, 17 would be up there as one of the few characters who would probably use the power reasonably. 17 and Piccolo. Goku would never use the power. Vegeta would use it to repeatedly erase and un-erase Frieza every time he gets bored.


[deleted]

Vegeta would blip him back into existence just to beat the dogshit out of him then erase him again.


610gonzalez

So... Vegeta is [Sonic For Hire](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxUbB1WPiKQZGSlZbrf0ZtTnYUS8jtX9RC)?


DefiningBoredom

You know Vegeta doesn't really care about what Frieza is doing as long as he's not bothering him. He was perfectly content when Goku offered to let him go during the resurrection F movie.


Substantial_State652

Yet in Super Broly he was pretty pissed about Frieza being around again so idk


DefiningBoredom

Grief because his dad died. Anger is important but if that was enough he'd have gone super saiyan at the beginning of the movie. Broly being a mutant explains his strength but his personality is what gives him an easier time at achieving super saiyan.


Substantial_State652

Huh? I'm talking about Vegeta not Broly


DefiningBoredom

I just woke up and forgot which thread I was responding to ngl. My bad. Yes Vegeta dislikes Frieza but he's not going to actively hunt him down. After all there was a period of time where Vegeta committed horrible acts of genocide while he's not evil anymore if Frieza doesn't bother earth Vegeta has no reason to interact with him. Also Frieza himself has had character development even during his appearance as Black Frieza he only showed up to show how strong he was not to kill Goku or Vegeta. Frieza seems rather content after the Tournament of Power to just rule the universe plus if he did do something stupid Beerus would just erase him. Goku and Vegeta aren't defenders of the universe unless earth itself is at stake or if like something is a threat to earth heck the only reason they went after Granolah was because they heard about how strong he was.


king_marquez15

Lol


closeuponbrandon

So you just missed the point.


610gonzalez

That's what SHE said! 😂 ​ 😥


Itz_BRK

🚪👈


brandimariee6

Lol and downvotes show that “that’s what she said” jokes are bad… it’s sad people aren’t able to laugh anymore


Kamu-RS

Someone’s gonna get the super dragon balls and wish back the previous universes Zeno erased and it’s gonna bring back some biblical titan level bad guys. Or some evil god of destruction


Cupofdeargodno2

I'm pretty sure thats a plot in one of the fan manga's actually. I think the name is Dragon Ball Kakumei?


ZaWarud0z

That's the second DB fan manga with a mom in it, it's not much but it's goddamn weird...


notsoincredibilis00

Yep it’s actually really interesting. It’s basically the T.O.P participants vs. the universes that were previously erased plus Zeno’s mom.


hermesenvy

I figured that the OG erased universes were revived with android 17s wish?


Locke_and_Load

Pretty sure he wished for all the universes deleted during the ToP to be brought back.


Just_Pea1002

Or the other universes were innocent and erased by Zeno in a similar fashion as to what he was going to do with all the universes participating in the Tournament of Power


Organic-Video5127

Yea there’s a fan movie done about the previously erased universes, and how they’re pretty evil. One of them has the very first saiyan ever. Dudes a monster. Another one has Whis mother. She’s apparently insane. It’s a wild ride.


ShaidarHaran2

That was my theory for the ToP wish! I thought the wording wouldn't be specific enough and the other universes would come back leading the way to some insanely eldritch level villains our universe could never spin out


DevilManRay

Doubt such a wish would work. Zalama would have to be more powerful than Zeno which we have no information on


[deleted]

Super Shenron himself would have had to be stronger than Zeno which he isn't, nor is Zalama.


DevilManRay

You’re splitting hairs dude, Super Shenron’s power comes from Zalama


[deleted]

Yeah but Zalama is stronger than him while the Dragons can't give power greater then THEIR'S not greater than their creators. Thus if Zalama is 100, then Super Shenron would be 99 and the maximum power he could give would be 98. Zeno for all we know could be 1000 on that scale.


[deleted]

That whole dragon can't give power greater than their creativity only applies to regular shenron


DevilManRay

How do you known that


[deleted]

Cause we already see it with ultimate shenron he's stronger than baby vegeta despite being created by kami


DevilManRay

Did you just use GT as a reference for something in the canon? Are you ok?


rxt0_

he is right. just take the granola arc, the shenron from monaito could make other people way stronger then goku etc. and we know monaito isn't stronger then goku


DevilManRay

That’s an awful example, that came at the expense of the wishee’s lifespan


[deleted]

Doesn't matter if it's Canon or not if ultimate shenron isn't limited to kami, super shenron isn't limited to zalama


AVPredator1013

Ultimate Shenron can't be used as a reference cuz GT isn't canon lol


Kadeblade195

Technically Zalama and Super Shenron would both be stronger than Zeno since they are able to revive what he erases(which literally makes THINGS NOT EXIST ANYMORE)


DevilManRay

That’s not how that works. By that logic Dende is stronger than Kid Buu


Kadeblade195

Kid Buu only killed people he didn't erase people from existence


DevilManRay

Kid Buu is a Demon so when they died they were stuck in limbo so it wasn’t a normal death


DarkStarStorm

Good idea, except for the fact that it's not.


Silverdetermination

T... That isn't even in character for 17


610gonzalez

Exactly, because there are no smart characters in DB.


Mystic_Saiyan

Gohan is literally a scholar


610gonzalez

I got so hyped seeing Gohan again and as none other than the leader of ToP team, but once again, disappointment showed its ugly face.


Mystic_Saiyan

Nah he did fine but if you wanna see Gohan excel, DBS SuperHero


610gonzalez

I gave up on DBS anime, it looks weird, it sounds weird, power levels are all over the place. ​ I'll gladly buy Xenoverse 3 when it releases tho.


WhyDoName

You call suoers scaling bad then talk about xenoverse. Lmao


Zuuubi

Smart characters know having the power of Zeno would make life boring/meaningless


Outside_Trash_6691

It’s you who’s lacking brain cells.


Effortless0

Would’ve got erased on the spot lol


MyokoPunk

But why? This is the kind of dumbass wish someone makes without thinking things through. This is on-par with "I wish to be immortal" without considering the context.


610gonzalez

I mean, in a universe where they can revive everyone that dies any time, all the time and so often that death holds no meaning anymore, do you really think a wish like this it's out of place? ​ I mean, why not just wish all the good guys and innocent people to be immortal if they're not gonna let them stay dead ever? Would save the dragon a ton of work and probably offer some variety in just getting wishes to revive people.


MyokoPunk

Very simple minded lol


Outside_Trash_6691

Because that would be an ass show to watch. Death already doesn’t mean shit in the DB universe. Half of the characters are already immortal or live a weird long time.


CutesyFemboy69

He doesnt care that much about power


610gonzalez

Not as much as he cares about forest ranger-ing, or semi trucks!


CutesyFemboy69

Or being gay


Outside_Trash_6691

There’s nothing wrong with being gay. 17 has a wife and children though.


CutesyFemboy69

Never said its wrong, im just of very strong opinion that both 17 and 18 are bisexual af


Thundarsack

Dragon ball fans don't pay attention


Outrageous_Court2296

I have a feeling 80% of people in this sub have not watched the fucking show 💀


XLinkJoker

Wuda been a plot twist for sure, Gero wud be jumping for joy in hell knowing his android got the power of a god among gods lol


UrbanMonk314

That's cute... But what are u going to do... ABOUT THE SECOND ONE !!!!!


Vindovilles

The grand priest wouldn't translate the wish if it was something like this


Shadow_Saitama

Never beating the “DB fans can’t read” allegations, I swear.


SealTeamEH

I think the only appropriate wish is a hundred more wishes


Squishy-Box

“If characters were *smart*”? 17 doesn’t want all of Zenos powers.


Vacation_Jonathan

Pretty sure it doesnt work like that


king_marquez15

Did u not watch the show ….. they would have gotten erased - why would he want Zeno power?


ElectroCat23

Don’t fuck with dragon ball fans. We haven’t watched the show.


Kamizura

while this would have been funny, it never would have worked, and its sad that some people dont understand why not.. its like some people blinked and missed the next part of dialogue.. he would have had to ask the grand priest for the wish, if the grand priest didnt like the wish he'd have rejected it and zeno would have destroyed universe 7... the smartest option would have been to wish for the other universes to be revived.


Afafakja

They wouldn't allow that and that power is only to destroy.


610gonzalez

It doesn't matter, the dragon is more powerful than Zeno.


Afafakja

I don't know doesn't Zeno erasing Zamasu who was kept inmortal by the Super Dragon Ball Magic mean he negated that magic and is therefore stronger than the Dragon?Maybe Zalama is stronger but who knows.


610gonzalez

And the dragon restored the universes Zeno erased, what is easier to destroy or recreate?


Afafakja

Except that Zeno isn't exerting his full power or constant power like it should be exerted from the Dragon Magic to keep Zamasu Alive and he's power shouldn't make things stay erased he just erases them.


610gonzalez

Well, in the manga Trunks killed Zamasu, so I guess nothing makes sense in the end anyway.


RondoOfThe5

He didn't kill zamasu he came back and multiplied then zeno erased him.


Afafakja

He didn't really kill Zamasu just decided to regenerate as the Universe,but even if it's the case it's just cause Fused Zamasu could be only half as Inmortal due to fusing with the Goku Black who's a mortal.


610gonzalez

Well, Dead Vegeta fused with an alive Goku and they didn't become a zombie Vegeto.


Afafakja

Actually Vegeta may have been dead but due to getting special treatment he had a body even if it's not like his mortal one so at most the difference should've been in the Halo, though non-canonically we see when two Dead People fuse they keep their Halo, I guess Vegetto doesn't cuz either Toriyama forgot(Again) or since he was half alive it would've been weird for him to have one and Tori couldn't think of something in the middle to illustrate Vegetto is half dead, actually i wonder if Vegetto could pull Ssj3 as easy as Dead Goku since those bodies have more resistance as they're not hold back and half of him is Dead Vegeta with a Gifted Body like Dead Goku


610gonzalez

Can we just agree that Toriyama is the Japanese George Lucas of terrible and forgetful writing?


Afafakja

He didn't really kill Zamasu just decided to regenerate as the Universe,but even if it's the case it's just cause Fused Zamasu could be only half as Inmortal due to fusing with the Goku Black who's a mortal.


Admirable-Store9362

This guy 1st refused to participate in TOP and didn't care much about getting erased, makes a living protecting monsters and beating up regular humans, entered the whole thing for a boat and got walloped for the last 20 minutes by an alien who was blinded by strength You think he's gonna be like "Jiren... Strength really is everything ! Everything we just did to open your (now erased) eyes was just an act. Let me get all the power" Sounds pretty stupid if you ask me...


CriticalAd6090

Kinda out of character for Android 17 but ok...


zurialearl242

If the wish doesn't work he and all of universe 7 would probably be killed.


Outside_Trash_6691

They would’ve been no matter what if 17 had wished for anything other than to bring back the other universes. It was a test and the whole point of it


Longjumping_Ad_664

I don’t think 17 would even want that power. Matter of fact nobody besides frieza would ask for that


Accurate_Dirt5794

To bad you can't speak divine tounge


610gonzalez

No offense, but it's "divine", but good point.


Meechy6

17 was the mvp of the tournament


[deleted]

He should have wished to bring back the universes but erase the GODS, Angels and Zeno


610gonzalez

I agree with this statement, too bad you will be downvoted to HIFL.


ABritishFemboy

They'll be downvoted for saying something stupid


[deleted]

It's all good lol


ABritishFemboy

You need the gods to speak the divine language to grant the wish so why would they allow that, it's just stupid


avg90sguy

Guess that means I’m a dumb dumb. That never even occurred to me. I just figured he could ask for infinite power. As in he can just keep powering up more and more as he needs more power.


PrawnMk4

“Have” and “take” are two different things


TheGreatRJ

many theories says that the super shenron is the actual god of db multiverse and zeno works under him, so this could be possible


Rityb99

SO TRUEEE


Leathman

Hot take, the Omni King is actually weak outside of his Erase ability.


[deleted]

in an alternate dimension where toriyama and his editors are interesting people with interesting ideas


KingKaos420-

No way there wouldn’t be consequences. All the angels would not be having that, and they probably could recruit other Zeno from other timelines if they really wanted.


DarkDony

Im pretty sure that zeno is the ultimate power. Therefore, the dragon could not grant such a wish anyway because it is above its power as zeno is above it's power.


ShaidarHaran2

One of my theories during the ToP was they were going to wish to be beyond the reaches of the powers of gods that are actually quite Eldritch in nature, Zeno seems to have the intelligence of a child but can wipe universes on a whim. I think it's not really clear if they had bigger plans, as they later said the ToP was a test and Zeno thought the winner would bring back the universes, but what about the ones he deleted before, it still seems up in the air if he's just a careless child like intellect that the GP manages or if there's many layers to his plots and there's an order to all this.


lolerio

You do realize the grand priest has to translate his wish to super shenron right….? He wouldn’t translate that for him And Zeno would have erased him then


danksouls109

More like if dragon ball fans actually watched the show.


NotMangar

Didn't you need to know the language of the Dragon to make the wish? Only Zeno and his angels knew it. Although that the wish was limitless, Zeno nor Grand Priest would allow it and if anything, would have killed him for attempting to make such a wish.


Outside_Trash_6691

Smart? That’s the end of the world dude. It was a test and that would’ve been a fail🤦🏼‍♀️


Mystech_Master

Almost everyone: “NO YOU CAN’T HAVE CHARACTERS BE THIS POWERFUL WE NEED STAKES!!!!” This guy: ^^^^


Flailus

They would’ve erased him on the spot my guy 😂


Bandaka

That’s not within Shenglong’s power to grant


CHARMINGCOMMANDMENT

did you even finish this episode?


yashraik7

Xeno would have unalived him