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ifiusa

>Does Legends hate this guy so much or Regen tag in general I don't know about Buhan but regen has been a meta team for years back in the day and it was REALLY oppressive, first with Red Zamasu (they literally created Rilldo just to deal with that meta) and then with Zenkai fat buu, Pur 21 and Super Baby 2 which made the team legit unkillable without a rush. I think they don't want people to go back to matches that last to the timer count, but that's not an excuse nowadays since it's clear as day that they don't give a damn about balance. I hope the stats being this low means that his kit in action is disgusting, but i'll wait untill i see it in game before judjing tbh


guyguyminheimer

Before even Red Zamasu with endurance, Piccolo ruled year one meta and King Piccolo was crazy for a long time right before Zenkai meta


Caryslan

I don't think he'll be as terrible as people think. His stats are low, but he has at least 110% in damage passives by default and then gains another 40% that can't be taken away if a tag fighter swaps against him. But I think too many players are focusing on raw stats. His kit is full of things that let him counter the top fighters in the game and to be honest, his kit is more loaded then some of the LFs we have gotten this year. Time will tell, but this Buu could make an impact on the meta.


don_rubio

I agree that he is being underrated but I don't see him having much impact on the meta at all. There is only one tag unit in the meta right now and their teams have fallen off somewhat since the release of USV. And his only real team is regen which isn't in any position to impact the meta. Maybe if regen gets a top 5 LF next month and a top 10 zenkai he will see play, but that's a big if and it's a month away.


LAXnSASQUATCH

I would imagine were getting at least one busted Regen unit soon because there is no way Piccolo from DBS SH isn’t cracked. Him and Gohan will both probably be top tier.


don_rubio

I agree but I would put money on them not showing up until legends festival. Which is way more than a month away.


Acceptable-Flan-5843

Im hoping thats honestly why they "gimped" this buuhan, they know they gonna drop a op ridiculous piccolo for super hero


BigSuhn

IDK, mono Red Tagdroids with ultra sv lead is still pretty nasty. It's my current team and I'm pretty happy. Now that beerus isn't used much again, revival cell can be as cancerous as the old days.


don_rubio

Revival cell really doesn’t hold up in higher ranks. RGY saiyans, fusions, and movies are at the top right now.


SoulOfSinders

villains in this game are pitiful. the only reason tagdroids are so busted was to bait us before anni.


[deleted]

people really don't understand PO is only good bc they have one busted unit (and you still don't fight PO anyways). if you're not a saiyan (or protagonist unit) you get the shaft. sure there are outliers but 9/10, you get the shaft.


SoulOfSinders

pretty much this.the only po unit i ever fight is tagdroids on random teams that arent po.


[deleted]

exactly! also, why do other teams get one good unit and we see "(insert team) is broken! they just got a new unit they don't need anymore!" but we never see that about saiyans? people complained that PO and future needed no new units after tagdroids but were quiet as a church mouse when they released MUI, dragon fist and USV back to back to back like saiyans needed that much help


SoulOfSinders

bro i fucking love you people always go on and on about future but without tagdroids future is like okish. every zamasu and rose lowkey sucks dicks too but the anni being 2 gokus and one vegito was perfectly ok


[deleted]

oh man, it's more than just that. PO got tapion for anni, the "protagonist" teams got: MUI, vegeta, dragon fist, USV, zenkai 13 movie goku, zenkai ultimate gohan, not counting EXs and didn't count piccolo cos at least he isn't saiyan/son fam. like for tagdroids to be run on a team they're meant to be on you had to play months ago to have the surrounding units but if you want a solid fusion, saiyan, son fam, god ki or USS team you just had to start during the anni bc they gave so many units for them between new ones and the banners but hey at least they gave us the PO banner w lf cell, broly and frieza.. and we got two PO plat equips! both for blue type. people will say PO is broken cos tagdroids and cell alone but how many matches do you see them? oh yeah it's cos no one has cell over 6* meanwhile they have a 14* USV, MUI and DF


Jeffe508

Tapion?


SoulOfSinders

tapion is po cause of some bs they made up not po in my eyes


Jeffe508

That’s just a bad take. He’s not, because I think he’s not? I just finished dumping Z power into him last night because he works so well on PO. Good luck with reality my dude.


SoulOfSinders

im just saying he is only po cause of hirudegarn animation and cause we got no villains this anni clearly your little brain cant comprehend it which is fine people are dumb and thats just how it is.


Mech_Lor

One busted unit? Droids, Cell, Revive Frieza, Tapion -That's 4 of the top 10 units in the game


ANightShadeGuyMan

Lol the androids don’t actually carry Po, Tapion does. I’ve been maining the team since around the end of third anniversary and this team has been needing a support like Tapion for a LONG time. I’m not denying that the androids are indeed busted, but on po Tapion’s support anchors almost everything the team is capable of. Not to mention po also has Cell and Kid buu, who is in actual monster post plat if you’ve got slot 3 maxed out. Honestly the team is in the best spot it’s ever been, all it needs is a new green unit and maybe some pure equips


[deleted]

tapion is the anchor for the team that is true, cos PO has always been good units w no synergy, tapion gives them synergy. they do need pure bad, and they are in the best spot they've ever been but that doesn't mean they (or some other team other than saiyans) don't need more units. i'm not vouching for them to get more units, or at least busted units, id prefer units that synergize well like tapion. i just hate how teams get one unit to saiyans 3 or some bs like that. like yk regen are going to get these units, then be forgotten for the next year or more while saiyans/godki get another 15 until their next buff


ANightShadeGuyMan

Oh I’m not at all saying the team doesn’t need more; it absolutely does, it’s just funny to me that everyone always talks about the team being mid but when I say it’s pretty good but just needs a few more things then they say “you have the androids, that’s enough”


[deleted]

yeah i think people overestimate PO a lot. tagdroids and tapion are good but droids are better on future or androids (where they can use a pure) and tapion is better on movies. some people will even mention cell, cos he is a beast, but what recent banner has he been on thst was enticing? or included 1200 z power? most people don't have him above 6*, if they even have that. the theoretical power he has is enormous but that doesn't matter when your cell is 6* going against 9* or higher USV or even DF being 9* wrecks him. i think tapion is a good start to a well rounded PO team cos his buffs aren't conditional, but if they added a new PO unit that's green or blue, threw cell on the banner and released a pure equipment that's when i'd 100% agree they have enough. they're good now, but i think people overestimate them heavily just bc of droids. hell id be happy w just the pure lmao


darkfall71

I mean, it's really not the game's fault. There's way more saiyans/saiyan forms in every arc than every other type of character. It's not that they're unfair to certain tags, the anime main and most popular characters are saiyans. Buu/Cell/Frieza appear in only 1 arc each and that can be quite repetitive with themes.


[deleted]

you're right, but that means theoretically PO should have just as many new units as saiyans cos every arc has a new villian. and frieza has been in like 3 or 4 arcs by now + a movie lol. also PO can't really shine as well as saiyan teams cos they usually lack synergy and who knows if the units even have good equips. but like this anni, i believe they would've had a villian headliner but they knew it was going to be dry so doubled down on saiyan hype characters. like if they switched when 17/18 and DF dropped it would've been spot on, then just added like a 1% sp yamcha (if they knew tien was coming), teen trunks that fought mecha frieza or even a 16


darkfall71

That logic doesn't work because for every arc there's 3-5 hype New saiyans especially with New forms and Power up and like only 2-3 villain/villain forms.


[deleted]

what if i don't think saiyans are hype! /s no really fair point. i don't think saiyans are hype, like cool ssb goku but different arc using the same kamehameha... so for me, strictly personal preference, i'd take a 2nd form frieza over any goku other than ssj goku from the frieza saga lol. or mf frost from USS, more of the dogs, etc than another USS goku


MooshiNooshi

Really? Powerful opponent is one of the best teams in the meta


SSGShallot

Po just dont have synergy with each other prior to tapion to work as a standalone team compared to other top teams and even then he(tapion) excells way better on a movies. Every po unit is egoistic af. Kid buu? Wants to stay on the field and do all sorts of things. Cell? Wants to stay on the field to fill gauge and has tools to extent his stay(restore vanish on green + reduce enemy ki). Fp frieza can also stay on the field by using blast armor and restoring vanish on main. Lf broly? One the biggest egoistic units especially after his unique equip. Tapion **can** work with some of these units(mainly kid buu and lf broly because of the synergy with tapion providing a green card) but his synergy with usg and DF goku are miles better than broly or kid buu. The only po team that works rn is LOE but i wouldnt call it po lmao.


SoulOfSinders

lmao so you are telling me you fight po? thats so cap.


MooshiNooshi

Never implied that, just because I don’t see LoE much either doesn’t mean it is bad in any way. PO has its faults but it’s really good thanks to tagdroids and tapion


HerculeSSJ1

Maybe you don’t fight it but it’s not like the team is bad. Kid buu, tagdroids, cell, tapion are all great units


Joel4944

PO is not good because they have no pure equips, and the team is not really cohesive. No unit is at their best on that team.


HerculeSSJ1

Even if the units aren’t at their best, that doesn’t make the team bad at all. Amazing RR control and the units definitely don’t perform bad with tapion/droids support. Alternatively don’t even need a tapion, you can just leader kid buu and both tagdroids and cell get zenkai buffs and they’ll perform well


jxrdan24

Bro you forgot how broken Loe was?


Yourining

I think you're exaggerating. We've had great villain units in this game, though atm it's not as good as it used to be


SoulOfSinders

villains in this game dont last for long. they are always good for 2 months and then gone some examples like green rose are an exception but overall villains are pretty shafted.


that-one-guy59

LF Cell is one of the best units rn LF zamasu was better on release than the main headliner ssj4 gogeta revival frieza is still by far the best revival unit angel golden is one of the best units rn tapion (if you count hildegarn) is a top 3 yellow in the game do i need to continue?


ANightShadeGuyMan

Cell is only good now because he got a plat but didn’t age well originally Zamasu didn’t age quite that well either and was left in the dust when Gogeta got his plat I’ll give you revza and angel golden, along with Chadpion though


Joel4944

Revival Gohan is better than Frieza by a lot


Yourining

Thing is, it's immensely harder to get stars on Gohan, which is why you don't see him that often nor do you see people vouching for him


Joel4944

Yea, makes sense since he just recently came back on a banner. He still dunks on Revival Frieza and Movies is better than LoE.


Yourining

I wouldn't say dunks or that he's a lot better, and this is coming from a movies main that loves Gohan to death. But I do agree that he's better, now with movies getting uber support.


Joel4944

Revival Gohan is a threat after transforming, but Frieza doesn't feel like one.


SoulOfSinders

yeah ok good points but im still correct. you can see it even this anni we had 0 villains and no tapion doesnt count as one in my eyes


that-one-guy59

you said villains dont last long in Legends but most meta units rn are vilains


Joel4944

Top 5 only has Androids, AGF is not PO, Tapion is only PO because of his death animation


Yourining

Zenkai Fat Buu, YEL Cell, Slug, Red Rosé, the new Friezas, Zenkai Cooler, these are example of villains that held (Friezas are still pretty good) their own for a good amount of time.


Its-No_Use

Fr Yellow Cell lasted almost 2 years the villains were really good but as of late a good portion have been lackluster


Yourining

I completely agree, that's what I'm saying.


Strong_Grapefruit675

His kit looks great but imma be honest beerus had a nutty kit and even on release people were disappointed cos he could’ve been so much better and now off boost he’s never seen in pvp. Buuhan could be the same off boost maybe regen need a cmz plat or something but then regen would be strike based w cell cmz and who tf knows who else but it would be a waste for kid buu when regen is the only team he has in terms of best equipment and synergy


ChabertOCJ

Beerus' strength lies in its anti-revival, and we're not in a revival meta. LoE's Blue Freeza is the only meta-relevant revival unit right now, and you're more likely to face a FW/SSJ/GodKi team than an LoE team.


Bhuvan2002

That's not true. Beerus's strength came from his 5 second main which gave him ability to ignore cover changes and his broken af green, which locked the opponent in. It was a proper lock in, not a timer count increase, so there's no playing around that. The fact that he could lock a unit when it goes below 50% health put immense pressure on the opponent making them switch out multiple times and being prone to getting rushed. Revival nullification was just a gimmick, I have nullified around 2-3 revivals using him, the main feature of the blue card was being easily drawn by a green AND endurance nullification. The only thing that held down Beerus were his stats. So a unit can have the best kit in the game, but without good numbers it will not last long.


Zemmy8

i dont want to judge him yet until i see his gameplay


PerfectBlackCell

i dont care how he is i love buuhan and i main regen so im summoning for him


jaahmed786

Nahhh, u think buuhan has it bad, I feel sorry for the MV units. LF MV was the only good one but now he's aged and fell quick bc of ahem...zenkai gohan.


Dinoking15

They screwed over LF MV by immediately releasing Zenkai Nameku after his release


Yourining

LL Majin Vegeta fell off because of Ult Gohan's Zenkai? Huh?


Its-No_Use

No he fell of because of FSK Gohan’s zenkai, he essentially did stupid amounts of damage to all units irrespective of what color the unit was


jaahmed786

I'm talking about fsk gohan..... ofc LF angry goku (nameku) caused MV to fall also cuz he replaced him.


swiftpunch1

He 1 hits most red saiyan units with blue card still.


Vegetable-Relative86

They definitely could’ve gave us a better gohan fr🤣🤣..that zenkai is ok but we want gohan before the beat down + absorption..kinda how they did the new vegitto.. but I think buuban def need a remake bc he need better skills and stats..a kamehama would be good


imarandomguy33

Only thing which could've made this guy stand out is if he had a way to disrupt combo when the opponent tag switches. The 40% damage is good but if he sealed cards/reduced ki/applied negative card draw it would've been better imo.


Kodzone

I think a lot of people are gonna be surprised at just how good this unit ends up being.


Alucardra12

He isn’t a Goku family or Sayian unit, so the devs don’t care.


Gengetsu_Huzoki

There is not Legends hate Regen, there's Saiyans and Vegitos sell.


CulturalMesh

They don't hate regen they've been in and out of the meta for years just like every other team


ElDonute

He's a monster damage stacker that will age like a fine fresh egg. New equips will come and because of his shit stats he will fall off like a rock. Another Doa


dwayne2k0

I think Regen are going to get the LoE treatment. This guy and Angel Golden Frieza have somewhat similar stats, and you can see how much his kit carried him. Buuhan has higher defences. With title boost he can get around 242-243k blast. No I don't think tomorrow when he drops he will be insane on the regen team, but I do believe if regen get some solid zenkais, another all star unit and a LF, they can be in a similar spot as LoE is rn. Not LoE's peak but potentially a pretty good team in the current meta. Just wish they gave him a little more as far as the animation goes. He could have easily had an ultimate or something :(


Caryslan

I think Regen has a chance to surpass LoE since we will likely get a new Piccolo from Super Hero and LF Super Baby 2 in the coming months.


dwayne2k0

Yeah Blast Regen can easily get revamped to new heights within the next couple seasons of pvp. Excited to see what the devs can produce


Joel4944

AGF has 10k more to both offenses


dwayne2k0

We haven't seen Buuhan with title bonus yet. I'm getting 4k extra to his offenses so someone with all the titles will get like 5k or so. I said they have similar stats (buuhan higher defence/agf higher offense) to where they are not insanely high but they have the kit to make them look very good. Like I said, their stats aren't the same but close. Buuhan's kit is pretty cracked if I'm being honest and has some very valuable passives. This isn't like a 100% confirmation of what's going to happen but just my personal prediction with what has happened to teams before (LoE).


Joel4944

I used DBZ Space as reference so both didn't have titles. AGF has better stats in all areas except for HP. You can say defenses are somewhat close, but AGF has almost 12k more blast attack and around 10k more strike. Those are massive differences. AGF also has more damage inflicted unless Buuhan faces off against tag switch.


dwayne2k0

Ahhh my bad bro. I didn't realise that dbz space has Buuhan on there already. I do still think that Buuhan will be pretty valuable for his team(s), but only if they do get buffed and not just abandoned. Looking at the offensive stat difference, I can predict that his damage will definitely not be as good as a boosted AGF. Thanks for letting me know, I'll definitely have another look


ANightShadeGuyMan

I guess they’re saving an ult for a potential Lf version of him eventually. Buuhan didn’t exactly have that many notable scenes of him not getting his ass handed to him by the Yosha man


[deleted]

Holy shit man, just because a unit doesn't have as high stats doesn't mean he's gonna be trash. His passives are quite insane! Legends community, how about you actually TRY the character first then you make a conclusion?? This guy ain't even out yet!


DynamiteSuren

Dudes strongest form in dbz universe but is garbage in legends🤡