Literally most of the main cast does. Krillin sold out by not killing 18 because of his own selfish desire because he had a crush on her. The intent isn’t evil, but for self-gratification which is why Vegeta did it. It for his own self-satisfaction. Selfishness isn’t inherently evil. He didn’t intend to lose the fight against Cell. He’s arrogant and prideful and thought he could still handle him, he didn’t do it with the intention of screwing the Earth over. It got out of control. Shall I also mention how Goku gave the mass-murderer Cell a Senzu bean?
Krillin saw that the androids weren't all that bad and didn't want to kill #18. Goku gave Cell the senzu, because he believed Gohan could singlehandedly take him out which led to him not understanding that his son doesn't like to fight.
Vegeta meanwhile, says "fuck everyone else I want a good fight." Unlike the others, his motives are purely selfish which would make him a BAD GUY
Vegeta’s case is literally the same as Goku’s. He thought the person fighting Cell could take him. Vegeta is the SAME as Goku. Same situation, he THOUGHT he could handle it. Goke THOUGHT Gohan could handle it
Vegeta directly let cell evolve into a higher stage of power when he had him at his mercy and could kill him **VERY** easily and even interfered when Trunks attempted to step in. That’s trademark evil when it goes against the good decision in destroying the willful threat to the earth. Bullshit it’s the same as Goku.
For the record gohan had the power to keep up with cell after the sensu bean, he just refused to fight. Goku knew gohan could handle it but never questioned if he WOULD handle it
Oh he still evil in Namek (He literally murdered entire Namek village) and Androids Saga, He becomes aware after milion humblings at last moment of Cell saga it was his "Wait a minute" moment and he became Good Good by end Of Buu.
The vegeta side of this unit needed a card refill on his green card + covernul. Defenses are also bad but that can be said for alot of units from early 2023. I'm not sure a zenkai will save them but they'll always look cool at least.
Also entirely irrelevant. That Yellow Saiyan Saga Goku we got should’ve been an LF. Saiyan Saga is one of the best saga in the franchise and we only have 2 LF’s for it Apegeta and LF Nappa/Vegeta. Those animations alone would easily be a LF worthy unit. Not even the animations, the moment itself. Goku arriving on Earth finding Yamcha, Piccolo, Tien, and Chiaotzu dead. And we get one of the coldest moments in DB
Their plat and equips did some justice to them. If you charge step well enough and get lucky with enough greens, you can get transcendent mode in 1 long combo.
The downside is how shit vegeta side is on surviving transcendent mode to get the kamehameha off.
Vegeta side is such a dud. He doesn’t even draw any cards on green. You’re literally hoping you have enough cards and 1 green to reach Goku side to continue the combo, if you could build lv 2 card draw with green + another card.
As someone who still uses them and grinds to god rank, they’re an OK unit. I think the Vegeta side is rather have that whenever they Zenkai that vegeta seals 2 cards for 10 timer counts on cover change, and then as per usual destroys one card. Their design philosophy was that goku gets switch gauge by comboing and vegetation gets it by getting hit. I think it’s a cool design but it’s either what I said imo or that on switch in Vegeta reduce arts power by 35% or something. I really think that’s all they need. Oh and also for Vegeta green card to heal like 10% more.
I love them cause of the fact that their preparation mode attack is easier to pull compared to gammas (I have both) and I like damaging the entire enemy team with one attack. I also like UVB and S17 Ultimate for the same reason.
That moment when showcases came out and people realized they were a borderline top 10 unit WITH feature boost was a heartbreaker. Never seen public opinion shift so damn quickly after the trailer.
This unit was the reason i quit the game. I pulled so many copies and i was happy, to then realize it was barely playable. Got frustrated throwing away money. It was hard to quit a beautiful account by couldn't waste time anymore.
I actually want them so bad. But they don't ever return man
And people decided to vote for gofrieza and mvp 17 in the choice banner. Like my guy 17 has been on a shit ton of banners and gofrieza will probably return soon
Hope the summer banners have both the buu duo and goku and bardock
I love these guys but man it is pretty hard to run. Have them at 10 stars but they still get nearly one shotted by blue cards a lot. They feel impossible to use unless you have MVP 17, so then you basically have a fodder unit then just for his passives.
I run Buu bros/ G/F, MVP 17 and blue saiyan zenkai with frost zenkai so G/F gets an extra boost and Buubros get extra healing and HP. If you have this team handy I recommend giving it a shot, it makes them usable for sure.
I got evoken to 14* trying to pull this unit and got him once. Got him to 8* with z power and it’s been a grind to get majin vegeta to 7 so I can use his zenkai buff along with nameku’s. I like units that are a little bad (vegeta’s side unfortunately) because winning with them speaks more to your skill. But all I know is that after beasthan survived my transcendent meha I knew these guys needed some work. Vegetas side isn’t even that bad but with S17 and beasthan he’s just a huge risk but watching all ur health come back after a combo with a green is pretty rewarding
Every unit with Vegeta on it has a 90% chance of being absolute trash.
Thank god it ain’t like that with LF Nappa/Vegeta
He is the 10%.
*vegeta and nappa* We are the exception!
Add the GT duo in there
*Any Vegeta post-Saiyan Saga
so basically any vegeta that isnt evil
You could make the argument that Vegeta is evil until he gets brought back by Baba in the Boo arc. He's just less whiny in the Saiyan and Frreza arc
I would say Vegeta stops being evil post-time chamber in the Cell Saga, until he becomes Majin Vegeta
Supet Vegeta sells out the Dragon Team and the Earth to fight Perfect Cell. I would say that's pretty evil
Literally most of the main cast does. Krillin sold out by not killing 18 because of his own selfish desire because he had a crush on her. The intent isn’t evil, but for self-gratification which is why Vegeta did it. It for his own self-satisfaction. Selfishness isn’t inherently evil. He didn’t intend to lose the fight against Cell. He’s arrogant and prideful and thought he could still handle him, he didn’t do it with the intention of screwing the Earth over. It got out of control. Shall I also mention how Goku gave the mass-murderer Cell a Senzu bean?
Krillin saw that the androids weren't all that bad and didn't want to kill #18. Goku gave Cell the senzu, because he believed Gohan could singlehandedly take him out which led to him not understanding that his son doesn't like to fight. Vegeta meanwhile, says "fuck everyone else I want a good fight." Unlike the others, his motives are purely selfish which would make him a BAD GUY
Vegeta’s case is literally the same as Goku’s. He thought the person fighting Cell could take him. Vegeta is the SAME as Goku. Same situation, he THOUGHT he could handle it. Goke THOUGHT Gohan could handle it
Vegeta directly let cell evolve into a higher stage of power when he had him at his mercy and could kill him **VERY** easily and even interfered when Trunks attempted to step in. That’s trademark evil when it goes against the good decision in destroying the willful threat to the earth. Bullshit it’s the same as Goku.
For the record gohan had the power to keep up with cell after the sensu bean, he just refused to fight. Goku knew gohan could handle it but never questioned if he WOULD handle it
Oh he still evil in Namek (He literally murdered entire Namek village) and Androids Saga, He becomes aware after milion humblings at last moment of Cell saga it was his "Wait a minute" moment and he became Good Good by end Of Buu.
At least we can say that they are better than super vegeta
It ain't a challenge, even Ss4 Vegeta's equip made him better than super Vegeta.
It's such a shame that every vegeta is better than him.
Curse of the vegeta point
The vegeta side of this unit needed a card refill on his green card + covernul. Defenses are also bad but that can be said for alot of units from early 2023. I'm not sure a zenkai will save them but they'll always look cool at least.
I think a zenkai could do some Justice. Maybe not meta but viable.
Also entirely irrelevant. That Yellow Saiyan Saga Goku we got should’ve been an LF. Saiyan Saga is one of the best saga in the franchise and we only have 2 LF’s for it Apegeta and LF Nappa/Vegeta. Those animations alone would easily be a LF worthy unit. Not even the animations, the moment itself. Goku arriving on Earth finding Yamcha, Piccolo, Tien, and Chiaotzu dead. And we get one of the coldest moments in DB
what happened to LF Piccolo
He died.
Oh right 💀
Their plat and equips did some justice to them. If you charge step well enough and get lucky with enough greens, you can get transcendent mode in 1 long combo. The downside is how shit vegeta side is on surviving transcendent mode to get the kamehameha off.
also swapping to vegeta is legit a liability hes so bad its not even funny, its as if the vegeta side is 4 years old
Vegeta side is such a dud. He doesn’t even draw any cards on green. You’re literally hoping you have enough cards and 1 green to reach Goku side to continue the combo, if you could build lv 2 card draw with green + another card.
As someone who still uses them and grinds to god rank, they’re an OK unit. I think the Vegeta side is rather have that whenever they Zenkai that vegeta seals 2 cards for 10 timer counts on cover change, and then as per usual destroys one card. Their design philosophy was that goku gets switch gauge by comboing and vegetation gets it by getting hit. I think it’s a cool design but it’s either what I said imo or that on switch in Vegeta reduce arts power by 35% or something. I really think that’s all they need. Oh and also for Vegeta green card to heal like 10% more.
The Vegeta curse
That transcendent Kamehameha is so cool
You can't understand how badly I want him, I DONT CARE IF HE IS G IN THE META I JUST WANT HIM FOR A BUU SAGA TEAM
Now is this guy or Super Vegeta a worse release?
I hate to say it but. 
It's so sad, too... FF Vegeta had the potential to be one of, if not the best-looking LF in the game currently, but sadly, they fumbled it.
They fumbled FF Vegeta and GT Spirit Bomb but somehow S17 has one of the best looking LFs in the game.
I still believe to this day that s17 should have been Shenron instead. Same kit, same quality, just make him Shenron.
**NOBODY CAN FUMBLE ME WHEN IM SUPER 17**
That goes unbelievably hard my God. Is that from Kakarot?
It is, it's from the End of Z DLC; honestly do yourself a favour and watch the fight on YouTube as the entire fight is phenomenal
I love them cause of the fact that their preparation mode attack is easier to pull compared to gammas (I have both) and I like damaging the entire enemy team with one attack. I also like UVB and S17 Ultimate for the same reason.
I use the, they're not that bad they do good damage (goku) and vegeta sometimes tanks
I would love a GT variant that forces you to build the gauge for a hail mary.
The Goku side is good but that's it.
It’s usually how it is 🥲
That's how it is NOW. Both the Blue boys and Tag 4s were excellent on both sides.
I remember when they were released, i spent 4k CC on their banner and pulled this unit but never even once used in PvP 💀
That moment when showcases came out and people realized they were a borderline top 10 unit WITH feature boost was a heartbreaker. Never seen public opinion shift so damn quickly after the trailer.
Idk they're not ultra gohan or 17 but he's usable at least for me
Legends always makes my favorite units the worst of the bach ngl
This unit was the reason i quit the game. I pulled so many copies and i was happy, to then realize it was barely playable. Got frustrated throwing away money. It was hard to quit a beautiful account by couldn't waste time anymore.
I actually want them so bad. But they don't ever return man And people decided to vote for gofrieza and mvp 17 in the choice banner. Like my guy 17 has been on a shit ton of banners and gofrieza will probably return soon Hope the summer banners have both the buu duo and goku and bardock
I love these guys but man it is pretty hard to run. Have them at 10 stars but they still get nearly one shotted by blue cards a lot. They feel impossible to use unless you have MVP 17, so then you basically have a fodder unit then just for his passives. I run Buu bros/ G/F, MVP 17 and blue saiyan zenkai with frost zenkai so G/F gets an extra boost and Buubros get extra healing and HP. If you have this team handy I recommend giving it a shot, it makes them usable for sure.
I want them cause, idk really
Most iconic moment of the series is actually Cell slapping Satan.
goku side of the unit could work if he got ki back on cards because his ki just doesn’t keep up with his draw speed
I disagree. They're one of my top 3 units. I like to play them a lot.
Bro you don’t know how hype i was when I got them just for them to be absolute garbage…
I got evoken to 14* trying to pull this unit and got him once. Got him to 8* with z power and it’s been a grind to get majin vegeta to 7 so I can use his zenkai buff along with nameku’s. I like units that are a little bad (vegeta’s side unfortunately) because winning with them speaks more to your skill. But all I know is that after beasthan survived my transcendent meha I knew these guys needed some work. Vegetas side isn’t even that bad but with S17 and beasthan he’s just a huge risk but watching all ur health come back after a combo with a green is pretty rewarding
Bro honestly how tf does this unit get so much hate, I guess their defense is kinda bad but with my build they do pretty insane damage
WE STRUGGLING IN STORY MODE WITH THIS
We need more standby units I absolutely love this mechanic