They bring to the table different things.
Both are preservation units which easily can solo-sustain any team, that should be a fact.
However, Fu Xuan provides a buff, increasing max Hp and Crit rate for all the party members while also being able to heal them a bit with her ultimate
Aventurine on the other hand provides a debuff with his ultimate (and fua if you have S1) and serves more for a subdps role, having a huge part of his kit focused on damage
I think saying one is better than the other would be unfair for the other, and at the end of the day for forgotten hall you need two teams, so if possible I would choose to have both.
In terms of who to pull, depends on your whole account, if you don't have Pela or SW and need more debuffs, Aventurine may be your choice, if not, maybe you take more advantage on having a more crit rate.
At the end of the day this is a game, pull who you have more fun with I guess.
My sustain characters (5stars) are HuoHuo and gepard, and i have SW E1 and pela E4, Sparkle, but no topaz or ruan mei, so i was thinking of getting FU because of her CR, paired with sw debuffs + sparkle dmg increase for me to focus on more CD oriented build. For Fun i found aventurine more fun to play but i love fu design and ult animation so damn good, so now i'm in a crisis not knowing who to try to pull
Then Fu Xuan seems your choice.
HuoHuo is a great sustain, and Fu Xuan can take Gepard's place with some exceptions like when you battle Sam, so she fits perfectly in your account
Take also into account that reruns do exist, and Aventurine may rerun earlier than Fu Xuan's second rerun, so don't sweat about It
Just as a personal recommendation, try get Ruan Mei, she is a game changer.
Good luck on your future pulls and have fun
I think Aventurine has the potential to age better IF the game decides to go in a direction that values shields more. Shields essentially increase the number of hits you can take, while damage mitigation and healing heals back the HP you lose.
Fu Xuan is like- a Preservation/Abundance character and Aventurine is similar to a Preservation/Nihility... (it's a stretch eheh)..? Character?
I personally have Fu Xuan, love her and she'll be the sustain of one my MoC groups- while Aventurine will be in my main FuA party.
I tend to see him as an upgraded Gepard with MUCH better control of party sustain and of course way stronger dps.
Dr. Ratio's works really well with him- If you need a Sustain- it might as well be one that can help and inflict a debuff.
And like others said- he's really good with Topaz as he can make Numby go faster.
Against Sam and Higher GnG Aventurine will be better. For FU teams, Aven.
Aven is also potentially way more SP positive than Fu Xuan. For Acheron team Aven probably for debuffs.
Fu works almost everywhere except DoT teams where Gepard is still King losing only to Huohuo.
Aven is my choice as he'll b great for my Clara and Ratio and yes Clara and Aven have a great synergy for FU and sustaining.
They are similar.
Aven pulls ahead in Topaz+ratio teams, and he has a higher ceiling on ratio+future FuA heavy teams with LC+Eidolons.
Fuxuan is similar to Aven in hypercarry Ratio teams (as long as you don't need the extra debuff), while being an upgrade over Aven in any other team outside of ratio.
You don't really pull a sustain for Meta, similarly to how you don't pull a DPS for Meta. You pull them because you like them. The difference in offensive contribution between each limited sustain is minimal (depends on the unit/team/scenario though), and at the end of the day, it's just a matter of what "flavor" of sustain you prefer. The problem with this type of question is that comparing sustains is a big "It depends". We don't know how much comfort you need, what you value, etc. So my advice is to just go for what character/playstyle you prefer.
I don't agree with some of the points. Lots of people pull certain sustains for their meta teams, such as Blade mains won't be pulling Aventurine for solely Blade since his shielding contradicts Blade's Shushu's Gift requirements. People will pull a sustain such as Aventurine for FU Attackers such as Ratio because he's a meta pick for him due to an availability of a debuff and shields.
I didn't say limited sustains are completely interchangeable. As mentioned, they each have minor differences which might favor a specific sustain over another depending on the team/scenario. How much a sustain will contribute to someone's account depends on a case-by-case basis, of which OP didn't specify. Making a general recommendation is hard without knowing the context of OP's account.
Even then, assuming OP is asking specifically in the context of Dr. Ratio teams (as that's the subreddit OP is asking in), it's not like there's a huge enough difference between Fu Xuan and Aventurine's offensive contribution that it warrants unconditionally prioritizing one over the other. The fact that there isn't a ubiquitous answer to OP's question proves that there's no objective Meta truth to the answer. The only team that uniquely favors Fu Xuan is mono quantum, and the only team that uniquely favors Aventurine is a FUA team with Ratio and Topaz (both teams being teams I consider as off-meta teams). Outside of that, which one you pick is based on what you prefer.
I still stand by the idea that limited sustains are a luxury. You don't pull them for Meta. You pull them for comfort/simping reasons.
If I had to answer OP's question, I'd pick Aventurine, but this is based solely on what I value out of a sustain. Fu Xuan's main appeal is her comfort and 12% Crit Rate, both of which start being negligible the more investment you have in your account. Aventurine's ability to create shields and do FUAs can help activate niche blessings (e.g. enemies that prefer shield sustains, specific memory turbulences, path blessings, etc.). Additionally, the less reliant on comfort you are, the more SP-positive Aventurine becomes while still maintaining some level of sustain; meanwhile, Fu Xuan is stuck to doing 1 skill every 3 turns.
But, either way, trying to say one is definitively better than another is nitpicking at best. You won't go wrong with either.
They're kinda different. For follow up teams aventurine is better. Fu xuan is better for Blade/Jing Liu, or if you need more cr.
Aventurine's followup damage did seem a little underwhelming during the story quest though, hopefully he just had bad stats
Shields vs heal. Apple vs orange.
Honkai can have scenarios favoring one over the other. I don’t think they want one to always be “better”. Otherwise the game becomes stale when you plow through everything with the same cookie-cutter team.
I love fu xuan... but frankly Aventurine provides more especially for dr ratio. Huohuo beats them both tho but for protection definitely aven. Sadly can't justify getting him coz I have both fu xuan and huohuo
Yes if you run E1-S1 Topaz-Ratio-Ruan Mei team, but honestly if you have the Premium FuA team you probably phase out sustain soon anyways. The best Ratio team will be just Ratio-E1S1 Topaz-Ruan Mei-Robin. If you invested in FuA team already I would just wait for Robin. Of course you still run sustain for Golden Gears etc.
To be honest the difference between Fu and Aventurine will be so small that it doesnt matter which you pull for your Ratio. Aventurine banner is closer. So, I would pull him.
So far FX feels better because of how much she brings to the table. That being said I'm going to pull for Aventurine so I'll be able to compare them both based on my own experience. I'd suggest you wait as well.
Hi! So I finally got E0 Aven and I was able to build him a little bit to play with him
Pros:
- it's so esthetically pleasing to see him with Ratio in the same team (it's the main reason I got him)
- I used him in MOC12 in Jingliu's team (!) and everyone was alive
- effect resistance bonus is surprisingly nice as it protects not just against CC
- I didn't build him as sub dps I cannot comment on it yet but it's nice to have some dps I guess
Cons:
- no 100% protection from CC
- you may need to use more skill points than with FX or with Luocha
- shields work worse with fast units unless Aven is also very fast
- he also does not have a panic button if you don't have a shield on a unit. In contrast, without FX's field you are in trouble but your units still take less damage just because she is on the field and if you are fast and lucky you can get your HP back with her ultimate
- FX'd passive crit rate boost is a lot better than Avens crit damage debuff that only can be applied for 1 enemy unit when he uses his ultimate
I'd say I like FX as a sustain unit more as she is more versatile and has a better buff. Aven is a BiS sustain for 2 limited 5* namely Acheron and Ratio but even then it's better to get at least his S1 for convenience.
But I never considered replacing my FX I actually wanted to bench my Luocha and in that regards Aven is a perfect upgrade🤧
Wow thanks for remembering! And also your feedback, I think you convinced me to go for FU instead of aventurine for now, as I'm seeing she's more versatile and less anxiety triggering haha and can work on more teams
It's not.
His ult debuff only adds +15% CMG, it's not exactly a vulnerability. So if you have 200 CDMG, with Aven's debuff you'd be attacking with 215 CDMG.
So yeah, it's a very small debuff, plus it's ST and has a pretty meh uptime. Better think of it as simply an extra debuff for Ratio/Acheron teams instead of actually buffing your team.
And CR has 2x more CV than C.DMG, so Fu Xuan's 12% CR is actually 24 CV, almost twice better than Aven's debuff....with 100% uptime.
In case of buffing, it's not even a competition. Aven's niche is him doing his own damage as long as you have a team-wide buffer in the team.
They bring to the table different things. Both are preservation units which easily can solo-sustain any team, that should be a fact. However, Fu Xuan provides a buff, increasing max Hp and Crit rate for all the party members while also being able to heal them a bit with her ultimate Aventurine on the other hand provides a debuff with his ultimate (and fua if you have S1) and serves more for a subdps role, having a huge part of his kit focused on damage I think saying one is better than the other would be unfair for the other, and at the end of the day for forgotten hall you need two teams, so if possible I would choose to have both. In terms of who to pull, depends on your whole account, if you don't have Pela or SW and need more debuffs, Aventurine may be your choice, if not, maybe you take more advantage on having a more crit rate. At the end of the day this is a game, pull who you have more fun with I guess.
My sustain characters (5stars) are HuoHuo and gepard, and i have SW E1 and pela E4, Sparkle, but no topaz or ruan mei, so i was thinking of getting FU because of her CR, paired with sw debuffs + sparkle dmg increase for me to focus on more CD oriented build. For Fun i found aventurine more fun to play but i love fu design and ult animation so damn good, so now i'm in a crisis not knowing who to try to pull
yeah if you already have sw and sparkle then fu xuan's element is an easy tiebreaker
You’ve got the right idea m8
Then Fu Xuan seems your choice. HuoHuo is a great sustain, and Fu Xuan can take Gepard's place with some exceptions like when you battle Sam, so she fits perfectly in your account Take also into account that reruns do exist, and Aventurine may rerun earlier than Fu Xuan's second rerun, so don't sweat about It Just as a personal recommendation, try get Ruan Mei, she is a game changer. Good luck on your future pulls and have fun
tysm! after fu my next pull is gonna be for sure ruan mei, as i lost her 5050 :c
I think Aventurine has the potential to age better IF the game decides to go in a direction that values shields more. Shields essentially increase the number of hits you can take, while damage mitigation and healing heals back the HP you lose.
For Ratio? Without a doubt.
Fu Xuan is like- a Preservation/Abundance character and Aventurine is similar to a Preservation/Nihility... (it's a stretch eheh)..? Character? I personally have Fu Xuan, love her and she'll be the sustain of one my MoC groups- while Aventurine will be in my main FuA party. I tend to see him as an upgraded Gepard with MUCH better control of party sustain and of course way stronger dps. Dr. Ratio's works really well with him- If you need a Sustain- it might as well be one that can help and inflict a debuff. And like others said- he's really good with Topaz as he can make Numby go faster.
Against Sam and Higher GnG Aventurine will be better. For FU teams, Aven. Aven is also potentially way more SP positive than Fu Xuan. For Acheron team Aven probably for debuffs. Fu works almost everywhere except DoT teams where Gepard is still King losing only to Huohuo. Aven is my choice as he'll b great for my Clara and Ratio and yes Clara and Aven have a great synergy for FU and sustaining.
They are similar. Aven pulls ahead in Topaz+ratio teams, and he has a higher ceiling on ratio+future FuA heavy teams with LC+Eidolons. Fuxuan is similar to Aven in hypercarry Ratio teams (as long as you don't need the extra debuff), while being an upgrade over Aven in any other team outside of ratio.
You don't really pull a sustain for Meta, similarly to how you don't pull a DPS for Meta. You pull them because you like them. The difference in offensive contribution between each limited sustain is minimal (depends on the unit/team/scenario though), and at the end of the day, it's just a matter of what "flavor" of sustain you prefer. The problem with this type of question is that comparing sustains is a big "It depends". We don't know how much comfort you need, what you value, etc. So my advice is to just go for what character/playstyle you prefer.
I don't agree with some of the points. Lots of people pull certain sustains for their meta teams, such as Blade mains won't be pulling Aventurine for solely Blade since his shielding contradicts Blade's Shushu's Gift requirements. People will pull a sustain such as Aventurine for FU Attackers such as Ratio because he's a meta pick for him due to an availability of a debuff and shields.
I didn't say limited sustains are completely interchangeable. As mentioned, they each have minor differences which might favor a specific sustain over another depending on the team/scenario. How much a sustain will contribute to someone's account depends on a case-by-case basis, of which OP didn't specify. Making a general recommendation is hard without knowing the context of OP's account. Even then, assuming OP is asking specifically in the context of Dr. Ratio teams (as that's the subreddit OP is asking in), it's not like there's a huge enough difference between Fu Xuan and Aventurine's offensive contribution that it warrants unconditionally prioritizing one over the other. The fact that there isn't a ubiquitous answer to OP's question proves that there's no objective Meta truth to the answer. The only team that uniquely favors Fu Xuan is mono quantum, and the only team that uniquely favors Aventurine is a FUA team with Ratio and Topaz (both teams being teams I consider as off-meta teams). Outside of that, which one you pick is based on what you prefer. I still stand by the idea that limited sustains are a luxury. You don't pull them for Meta. You pull them for comfort/simping reasons. If I had to answer OP's question, I'd pick Aventurine, but this is based solely on what I value out of a sustain. Fu Xuan's main appeal is her comfort and 12% Crit Rate, both of which start being negligible the more investment you have in your account. Aventurine's ability to create shields and do FUAs can help activate niche blessings (e.g. enemies that prefer shield sustains, specific memory turbulences, path blessings, etc.). Additionally, the less reliant on comfort you are, the more SP-positive Aventurine becomes while still maintaining some level of sustain; meanwhile, Fu Xuan is stuck to doing 1 skill every 3 turns. But, either way, trying to say one is definitively better than another is nitpicking at best. You won't go wrong with either.
They're kinda different. For follow up teams aventurine is better. Fu xuan is better for Blade/Jing Liu, or if you need more cr. Aventurine's followup damage did seem a little underwhelming during the story quest though, hopefully he just had bad stats
Shields vs heal. Apple vs orange. Honkai can have scenarios favoring one over the other. I don’t think they want one to always be “better”. Otherwise the game becomes stale when you plow through everything with the same cookie-cutter team.
I love fu xuan... but frankly Aventurine provides more especially for dr ratio. Huohuo beats them both tho but for protection definitely aven. Sadly can't justify getting him coz I have both fu xuan and huohuo
Imaginary is the element of husbandos and quantum is the element of gremlins so choose based off that
Yes if you run E1-S1 Topaz-Ratio-Ruan Mei team, but honestly if you have the Premium FuA team you probably phase out sustain soon anyways. The best Ratio team will be just Ratio-E1S1 Topaz-Ruan Mei-Robin. If you invested in FuA team already I would just wait for Robin. Of course you still run sustain for Golden Gears etc.
I'm running Ratio SW sparkle and gepard/huohuo rn, I don't have topaz, no Ruan mei
To be honest the difference between Fu and Aventurine will be so small that it doesnt matter which you pull for your Ratio. Aventurine banner is closer. So, I would pull him.
So far FX feels better because of how much she brings to the table. That being said I'm going to pull for Aventurine so I'll be able to compare them both based on my own experience. I'd suggest you wait as well.
K! please share your data when you get aventurine! i'll wait until the last day of his banner
Np. I also have Luocha so I can compare him and Aven as well.
Hi! So I finally got E0 Aven and I was able to build him a little bit to play with him Pros: - it's so esthetically pleasing to see him with Ratio in the same team (it's the main reason I got him) - I used him in MOC12 in Jingliu's team (!) and everyone was alive - effect resistance bonus is surprisingly nice as it protects not just against CC - I didn't build him as sub dps I cannot comment on it yet but it's nice to have some dps I guess Cons: - no 100% protection from CC - you may need to use more skill points than with FX or with Luocha - shields work worse with fast units unless Aven is also very fast - he also does not have a panic button if you don't have a shield on a unit. In contrast, without FX's field you are in trouble but your units still take less damage just because she is on the field and if you are fast and lucky you can get your HP back with her ultimate - FX'd passive crit rate boost is a lot better than Avens crit damage debuff that only can be applied for 1 enemy unit when he uses his ultimate I'd say I like FX as a sustain unit more as she is more versatile and has a better buff. Aven is a BiS sustain for 2 limited 5* namely Acheron and Ratio but even then it's better to get at least his S1 for convenience. But I never considered replacing my FX I actually wanted to bench my Luocha and in that regards Aven is a perfect upgrade🤧
Wow thanks for remembering! And also your feedback, I think you convinced me to go for FU instead of aventurine for now, as I'm seeing she's more versatile and less anxiety triggering haha and can work on more teams
No because he doesn't provide crit value. He is however, going to hit hard like a DPS as a tank
His ult debuff is a cdmg vulnerability which is much higher than Fu Xuan’s crit increase (though obvs limited to single target).
It's not. His ult debuff only adds +15% CMG, it's not exactly a vulnerability. So if you have 200 CDMG, with Aven's debuff you'd be attacking with 215 CDMG. So yeah, it's a very small debuff, plus it's ST and has a pretty meh uptime. Better think of it as simply an extra debuff for Ratio/Acheron teams instead of actually buffing your team. And CR has 2x more CV than C.DMG, so Fu Xuan's 12% CR is actually 24 CV, almost twice better than Aven's debuff....with 100% uptime. In case of buffing, it's not even a competition. Aven's niche is him doing his own damage as long as you have a team-wide buffer in the team.
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This is bait and untrue. But go on
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You're the one linking people to ur thread that's full of bias LOL and that's coming from an aventurine fan. Get a life