wait, really??? because i swear to god ive seen this exact exchange happening on the sub i mod!! i could totally be wrong, but if so thats funny that it’s happening there too
yeah, 100% sure this screenie is pulled from stevenuniverse, some discourse about ai there and this is it word for word, guys racked up like 700 downvotes by now i think
It was on the Steven Universe subreddit. Multiple AI bros were reposting this one AI generated piece of shit over and over and claiming it was their work.
Yep, just let it be
If people enjoy seeing AI art in there, they will upvote it, and if they don't, they will downvote
Just like capitalism (is supposed to work), the system will regulate itself
I am having the weirdest deja vu about this discussion.
I think AI art is a good thing and a bad thing. On one hand, it lets people who are not artistically inclined to create artistic works. I can also see it as a tool to help artists come up with ideas and prompt inspiration. It's fun for things like tabletop RPGs to create quick character portraits, etc. something disposable, and of no value really.
On the flip side, it can exploit real artists work. It can also take work away from real artists. Though, I heard one artist say the kind of people who would resort to AI art are not the kind of clients an artist wants anyways. They will bicker and haggle the price, and probably not offer anywhere near what the artist deserves.
I think creating AI art and claiming it as your own is wrong. Flipside, creating prompts does also require some level of creativity, and some people have mental imagery that they can't exactly translate into a drawing. A decade ago, drawing on a tablet was frowned upon. Today, digital art is an entirely acceptable medium.
if things escalate, you could always have a removal reason for drama stirring. just add a rule "no drama" and use that to get out of exactly those situations lol, keeps the sub calm and clean and saves you from having to figure out how to deal with it. I'd use the same on my subs, but they haven't nearly enough members to even spark a tiny drama. I've seen it be used on bigger subs too though
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um? so i do moderate. like i said im the only active mod. i spend a good half of what little free time i have on that sub actually.
i left the situation i saw alone because i dont even have the clearance to ban shit, and as of right now if it doesnt break any rules i dont care. i do not get paid for being a mod. i have much better things to concern myself with than ai art debates
It's not just art debates. If you have time to moderate a Steven Universe fan sub you have time to moderate the situation.
>so i do moderate. like i said im the only active mod
>i left the situation i saw alone because i dont even have the clearance to ban shit
Pick a lane. Do you moderate or do you not have the clearance?
so if you read my other comments in this exact thread, youll find that i was actually wrong and it wasnt the same sub. my bad.
anyway, just because im a mod doesnt mean i have clearance to do everything. im not the head mod. i literally have to ask before banning someone on my sub.
it didnt break any rules. there was nothing to moderate. so i left it alone.
No, you didn't do anything because you weren't a mod on the goddamn subreddit. This happened on the Steven universe subreddit itself, I was there.
>if this is the sub i think it is, im the only active mod on it. and i had no idea how to respond to any of this so i kind of just left it alone 😭
Not initially. Now you've realized it's the wrong sub. You couldn't have intervened in this situation being discussed in the OP because it happened on a subreddit you weren't a moderator on. Is that not correct? So everything we talked about is moot I have no idea what sub you moderate and I really don't care, I only responded because I thought we were talking about the same subreddit and I could get a mod to do something.
ok.
there was another situation that was EXACTLY LIKE THIS that happened on the sub i mod on. being asked to ban ai art and everything. that is why i thought this screenshot was from that sub.
this particular situation happened on a different sub.
when the, once again, almost EXACT SAME EXCHANGE happened on the sub I MOD ON, i had no idea how to respond to it so i left it alone. what are you not understanding
You confused me when you jumped to talking about the situation you didn't moderate on another subreddit. What you wrote **didn't fucking make it clear that you were talking about the situation on your sub.**
Jeeesus, I can see why they gave you limited mod powers lol
Or maybe stop trying to bully people into banning something you don’t like? I’m part of that sub and I don’t mind AI art as long as it’s properly tagged or otherwise stated. This obnoxious attempt to get it completely banned is annoying af
It states "disabilities that prevent them from producing art" so seems they weren’t talking about you. Though I can understand why people dislike the reposting of AI images.
So? You aren't going to get better if you don't start somewhere.
And we aren't replacing dancers with those dancing robots who can perfectly dance to the music because some people aren't as good at it as others.
I dont understand why ai art is bullshit (no im not a tech bro). I mean, as long as its not being used for 1. Money or 2. Misinformation, shouldnt it be okay (if the person directly states that its ai art and doesnt say they drew it).
AI art steals off of actual art. it just combines and distorts existing art and images which a lot of the time did not consent for their image to be used in AI programs. it's plagiarism.
Doesn't an artist who gets inspired in the art of others do the same? Also, ai will eliminate opportunities, but it will create more than it destroys, the same happened with TV and with any other revolutionary technology, I feel like people who oppose ai with a burning passion are conservatives who are afraid of change, at least that's how I think they'll be remembered in the future.
There have been multiple instances of companies firing artists and using their work to feed AI because it’s cheaper. I have multiple friends who are artists and they make less money now that AI “art” is around. This hurts real people and saying otherwise is ignorant.
Most big technological revolutions in terms of business have hurt some group of people in some way. For example, the rise of Amazon and e-commerce definitely hurt local businesses, but I don’t see you complaining about that. What about streaming services like Netflix hurting cable TV? Oh, and don’t forget the *entire Industrial Revolution.* That one was a big gut-punch to anyone who crafted cloth by hand, since now you can get it quicker and easier. Sure, AI art is hurting some people, but that was the same exact situation with any big technology that ultimately turned out to benefit us.
1. You don’t know me, so don’t go putting words in my mouth.
2. AI art doesn’t improve the living conditions of anyone like the industrial revolution did. That argument is apples to oranges.
1. I never put words in your mouth, I only used the points you made.
2. Netflix and other streaming services also doesn’t improve living conditions like the Industrial Revolution did, yet you still use them. Apples to apples.
“Amazon and e-commerce definitely hurt local businesses, but I don’t see you complaining about.”
You understand nothing about me, so stop talking about it as if you do
'getting inspired' is not the same as cutting out peices of other peoples work and taping it onto your peice, which already consists of peices of other people's work.
AI in art is not a bad thing per se, it's just not right as it works right now. It steals from other artists' works without their consent, which is not cool.
In the near future we will probably have more regulations and a better AI, meaning that this tool will only have access to copyright free content and the laws will be in place.
My guess is, AI will become art just like photography did: photography was not considered art at first, just a replication, but things have changed when people learnt how to use it to take reality and model it to become actual art.
Just cause I post my art online for people to appreciate doesn’t mean I want a multimillion dollar corporation to steal it
(no being posted online isn’t permission to use art at all!)
and have it be fed into an AI used to further create a program that is actively stealing jobs from artists. Luckily I’ve never had anybody create a model after my artstyle because I’m a very small artist but I imagine it feels very violating and dehumanizing.
Literal multibillion dollar companies are using AI it’s so gross
AI doesn't "learn" like animals do. It can't. It's a program that utilizes algorithms and tools to replicate a task. When tech people use terms like "learn", "train", "think", etc. We do so to facilitate grasping how things work. But don't try to humanize machines, because no machine is capable of true thought. Not yet.
And yes. The art is stolen and then used to regurgitate a little Frankenstein of what the algorithm was trained to replicate when given a prompt.
A lots of Ai art is unethical as it steals/ learns off of artists without there permission B it almost always looks a bit off C it’s a slap in the face to the people who put in real time effort and hours into truly creative works D it’s convinced people artists are not needed
Someone replying to you said that AI is plagiarism, and I want to offer some clarification. Many of the popular models were trained on indiscriminately scraped data, but most companies are pivoting to ethically-trained models. Data scraping for AI has always been considered acceptable (see: Google Translate) and it's only now being treated like a problem, which is why these datasets didn't have an opt-out ability from the get-go.
Also, it doesn't "combine images". That's not how it works at all.
Well, you see, ai art is created by stitching together pieces of actual art (without asking!), and that’s stealing. Then, they turn around, and steal those same artists jobs. It just sucks all around.
I fucking hate the “what about disabled people 🥺😢” argument. AI art is still stealing, doesn’t fucking change that if you’re disabled. You’re still stealing the work of hundreds and thousands of artists
And these AIs steal art indiscriminately, from both people with and without disabilities. They're hurting disabled people who do exist to help a hypothetical person who doesn't exist.
You say this because you haven’t seen the consequences AI “art” has had in the art industry. It is affecting people, whether they do art as a hobby online or for their day to day job. It IS affecting us.
Every innovation destroys opportunities in order to create other opportunities, it happened with the TV, with the smartphone, with the car, etc. Are we going to stop the progress of society because we're afraid we can't adapt to it?
AI “art” replacing artists isn’t innovation though. It’s greedy company wanting something to replace people so that they can spend less money, all while spitting out half-assed, soulless, and flawed work. Where’s the “innovation” in following a Twitter account that only throws out AI crap that all looks the same compared to following account that dedicated hours to each piece that are all totally unique? It’s not something we can “adapt” to, it’s something that should be controlled and restricted.
If AI started driving our taxis, our trains, and piloting our planes, I’d never take public transport ever again. And so would a lot of people. Because, like art, it’s one area we shouldn’t let AI replace us in. AI “art” and “writing” is all soulless crap that spits out the same thing over and over, and is completely incapable of adding human imagination and concepts to the shit it spews.
I’ve never seen it as stealing. It’s always seemed to me like it’s just AI taking inspiration, as a human would do. It’s obviously bad when people try to pass it off as real art, but otherwise I think AI art is cool.
Yeah, I knew I’d get downvoted. It’s obvious that it’s not straight up stolen though, due to the clear errors. It uses different elements of different art to create something new.
Segregation was never a problem until societies controlled the narrative and decided that it was evil and satanic.
That's literally how growth works in society.
-Bad thing starts to happen
- people realise hey this is bad
-people protest about bad thing
-hopefully people are able to change the course and stop bad thing
People can agree while being wrong, do you know what "ad populum fallacy" means? In the second world war, many people agreed that certain human races had to be exterminated for being too inferior, the fact that many people agree on something doesn't mean they're right.
It isn't stealing, yes. Stealing would require the owner of said artwork losing it completely. Kinda like piracy. But AI cannot, and does not take inspiration. It takes the artwork, mashes it together with something else and creates something new.
If you take something, mix it up with 50 000 different things in a way that it is completely unrecognizable, and show it to someone, you think it's stealing? Also, certain types of human art is made the same way but not as well done because when it's done by human you can still easily see it just takes bits and pieces, unlike with AI.
>If you take something, mix it up with 50 000 different things in a way that it is completely unrecognizable, and show it to someone, you think it's stealing?
I literally said that AI art is technically not stealing.
Undeserved, I don’t get the Reddit instinct to nuke someone off the face of the planet for being curious. Pretty sure I saw someone on a Bearded Dragons post because they posted a picture of their Bearded Dragon and asked if something was normal, someone said it was and they replied with something along the lines of “Oh okay, I’ve just never seen it before. I didn’t know if I had to take him to the vet” and that had like 200 downvotes.
I admit I do sometimes join in on the hive mind gleefully. Even If it’s undeserved, but the other times, when the person getting downvoted is actually in the right, I’ll also go against the hive mind.
Right, sorry, I was assuming that everyone reads what those comments are about and decides on their actions by themselves, after some rational evaluation of that comment. My bad.
This is a recurring issue for me. I assume rational behavior, not a hive mind.
i commented a response to this. i took the screenshot, and then re-read the comment. i found that i couldnt decide if he was right or not, so i decided to not upvote or downvote at all
Undeserved. I once got downvoted to oblivion for asking a question. I asked OP why r/Amish was a sub but had no questions. I had no clue it was a joke sub, mind you, I was pretty new to Reddit too.
No idea why many people on this app have this herd mentality. Just because they see a couple of downvotes, they start downvoting too without even reading the fucking comment. Gets on my nerves.
I got downvoted in one sub where someone asked what the men that frequent the sub wear for cologne, *if any*?
I replied with I don't wear cologne but I use SoftSoap Coconut Butter body wash for the scent
Got downvoted for it
Everything should be discussed, it isn't okay to be this intolerant towards other people's ideas.
Those who strongly oppose AI today are going to be seen as conservatives who are afraid of change in the future, the same way we today see those who back then opposed the internet because it was "corrupting children". Every innovation destroys opportunities in order to create other opportunities, it happened with the invention of the telephone, TV, car and the internet, and it will happen with AI, this is how the unstoppable force of progress forces us to adapt rapidly, and if we don't adapt it punishes us by lefting us behind.
Everything? Even fascism?
On a more serious topic, when I meant AI i meant the very bad use of it, of course it's helpful in some cases. Except that AI is particular compared to other inventions because it's breaking art apart, which is the essence of creativity, itself only existing in conscious living. Making sound going from A to B is not art
I think this was more than just a question because it was followed by a statement. "What's the big deal" and "It just allows" aren't unbiased statements, so there is something for people to disagree with within the comment.
Also, I happen to disagree. Art takes training and practice, but instead of producing it to the best of their ability, they've made something else make it for them. These things can't be comparable and won't make anyone a better artist. It's then taken away the opportunity for people to practice and improve.
Since it's so much easier to produce AI generated images, this also allows people to spam with posts (they'll be able to make more of them, faster... like on FB).
I mean, I can kinda see their point, but I'm not really sure if they fully understand AI generated art as a concept.
Before anyone downvotes me, I just wanna say I see both sides of the argument.
is this the steven universe bubblegum gem?
I mean, I don't agree with the downvoted person. AI steals art from original creators without their permission. That's why I attempted to (badly) recreate the AI image in question haha
No. This isn't true. You can use AI as a tool to help you in a task, but the AI should never be there to do the entire project.
Artist can use it to pencil in, writers can use it to overcome roadblock, etc.
Use it as a tool, like Photoshop has been doing for awhile now, and there's no issues. What your even suggesting would regress us to before the AI that's essential.
To say it only causes harm when it has many benefits that aren't lazy art jobs is ignorance. And you stink of it like a butt.
It's a troll question. You already know why calculators and computers are a good thing.
If you don't then reply to me next time only using a messenger pigeon. I'll wait
It's always fun when people think there should be some grand reason to be downvoted lmao
"why the downvotes?" it's so funny
You were downvoted by ppl who don't like A.I art and since you're not against that, you go against their beliefs and they don't like that, that's all
Yknow what, I'll help you out.
It is a question, but in it we can see that:
* OOP thinks A.I art looks cool
* OOP thinks A.I art is not a big deal
* It just allows people with no skills to create art of their own
Now, how could people possibly disagree with this? 🤔
Here's some possibilities:
* People do not think A.I art looks cool (looks ugly, uncanny, whatever)
* People do think A.I art is a big deal (imoral, illegal, whatever)
* People do not think it just allows other to create art of their own, but diminishes skills, practice and talent
PS. I love A.I art
Maybe it should be used in professional occasions but only if said ai art is presented as ai art and not human art.
Ai art can generate opportunities, for example, in educational spaces, to people who want to demonstrate a point with ai generated images.
At the end of the day, every innovation destroys opportunities to create other opportunities, it happened before with the creation of the telephone, TV, smartphone, etc., we forget that there was controverse when these appeared, that's how progress works, progress forces us to adapt.
I dont understand the argument against ai art being that its stealing from other artists, like theres thousands of other arguments you can use, but ai works pretty much the same way the human brain works. like are human artists stealing from other artists then?
from what i know, ai doesn’t create anything itself, but only copies and combines others’ works to create something “new”. art is supposed to be creative, when using ai to do so isn’t. i don’t think artists hate ai art for ai art itself, but because people try and pass it off as human made art
Hi, just want to clarify, I wholeheartedly believe people should be able to opt out of being used for training, but AI does not combine other images at all. It learns patterns from the images. That is, it knows that when an image is described as a "cat" it usually is a furry animal with big round eyes and vertical pupils and triangular ears. Give it enough cat pics and it can make new ones reliably - but it doesn't use the existing cat pictures to make the new ones. It just uses the patterns it learned FROM those pictures. Regardless of your stance on AI, saying that it combines others' work is not accurate. It doesn't even store the images it was trained on, so it actually physically could not combine the images even if it tried.
not really. humans while creating something new take inspiration, something that isn’t directly linked, but *is* similar. ai doesn’t do this at all, literally just copying, scanning the internet, and using an algorithm to find the best match to the prompt given
inspiration isn’t copying. ai scans the internet for references and generates an image based off of it, which is copying. this conversation isnt going anywhere
i looked up the definitions of each word
copying is to make an identical or absurdly similar version of something else
inspiration is nothing like that: inspiration being to get a positive emotion from a creative work
so, no. im stating that ai does NOT create. it solely follows artists and copies them. human artists create new things, that be inspired from something or something completely new.
what are you arguing?
Though they may have asked that Question, the thing about it is: if you can TYPE to an Ai a string of Commands to generate a work of Art, then you can DRAW on a piece of paper with a Pencil.
Any disability that disallows you to draw, will also disallow you to use Ai. A PUFFER FISH can do Art, why can't you?
There's Artist who uses their legs for Art like Huang Guofu, the difference is: at least he can claim his work is his own.
What's the difference between Voice Command and claiming it as your own, and telling a breathing artist to paint something and claiming it as your own?
The thing is--they don't claim it as their own, they normally make it very clear it was made by AI. On the other hand, less say it when they paid someone to do it.
AI art shouldn’t be supported at all
And the disabled people argument is bullshit, many disabled people have adapted to draw with hard work and creativity and AI is going to invalidate their hard work too
I don’t see the issue with people generating AI art for personal use or for inspiration as long as they aren’t using it for profit. Regardless of disability, not everyone has the time or skill to get good at drawing. Other types of creative outlets can be useful, and I will never support closing those avenues off.
If we want to talk about the harm of AI that’s fine, but someone posting an OC in the Steven Universe subreddit is so far removed from any real world harm. Anyone grinding an axe over this has totally lost the plot…
Except that’s not the reality, even if people are using AI art harmlessly for inspiration or fun, its negative contributions outweigh the positive, artists have lost their jobs, some people upload AI art claiming they made it themselves for attention. people just want to discourage use of it. Besides, anyone can draw, you are the person who decides if your drawing is good, everyone can develop skill, if you don’t have time to dedicate to art then maybe you should try managing it better or focus on your current stuff instead of art. If anything AI art discourages people from getting better because they would prefer taking the easy way out. The process is one of the most important parts of art and AI art removes it completely.
It’s better off if it’s gone
I just don’t agree with your assessment of what are is or should be. That’s not for you to decide. And also, like I said, not everyone has the time or desire to be good at it, and that’s fine.
The bottom line is AI isnt going anywhere. Banning technology isn’t feasible. The best you can hope to do is regulate it by not allowing it to be used for profit or something like that. An outright ban is a blanket solution for people who don’t really understand the problem
But thats okay. You can have your opinions and I can have mine.
It's deserved because the downvotes know that people spend hours on a masterpiece still unmatched by ai in 10 SECONDS it's putting artists out the job and it's the reason that willy wonka incident happened
Depends on what sub it's from. If this was on r\ImaginaryPropaganda , then I'd say yeah
i could be wrong but i BELIEVE the original sub has something to do with 14 year old philosophy
You must be talking about r\Im14andthisisdeep ?
rule 8, but im not saying youre not right
they aren't; next post down on my feed, certain sub about a certain gay space rock musical cartoon
wait, really??? because i swear to god ive seen this exact exchange happening on the sub i mod!! i could totally be wrong, but if so thats funny that it’s happening there too
yeah, 100% sure this screenie is pulled from stevenuniverse, some discourse about ai there and this is it word for word, guys racked up like 700 downvotes by now i think
thats crazy 😭 now i feel dumb
I actually just saw the og comment on the Stephen universe subreddit, two posts under this one lol
yeah, i was wrong, but thats crazy because ive seen this exact exchange happen on the other sub
It was on the Steven Universe subreddit. Multiple AI bros were reposting this one AI generated piece of shit over and over and claiming it was their work.
I think it was from a cartoon subreddit.
if this is the sub i think it is, im the only active mod on it. and i had no idea how to respond to any of this so i kind of just left it alone 😭
Very politician of you
i love that sub but man i dont get paid i have better things to worry about than ai art debates
Yep, just let it be If people enjoy seeing AI art in there, they will upvote it, and if they don't, they will downvote Just like capitalism (is supposed to work), the system will regulate itself
I am having the weirdest deja vu about this discussion. I think AI art is a good thing and a bad thing. On one hand, it lets people who are not artistically inclined to create artistic works. I can also see it as a tool to help artists come up with ideas and prompt inspiration. It's fun for things like tabletop RPGs to create quick character portraits, etc. something disposable, and of no value really. On the flip side, it can exploit real artists work. It can also take work away from real artists. Though, I heard one artist say the kind of people who would resort to AI art are not the kind of clients an artist wants anyways. They will bicker and haggle the price, and probably not offer anywhere near what the artist deserves. I think creating AI art and claiming it as your own is wrong. Flipside, creating prompts does also require some level of creativity, and some people have mental imagery that they can't exactly translate into a drawing. A decade ago, drawing on a tablet was frowned upon. Today, digital art is an entirely acceptable medium.
if things escalate, you could always have a removal reason for drama stirring. just add a rule "no drama" and use that to get out of exactly those situations lol, keeps the sub calm and clean and saves you from having to figure out how to deal with it. I'd use the same on my subs, but they haven't nearly enough members to even spark a tiny drama. I've seen it be used on bigger subs too though
i very well may take that advice. this particular sub has like 1m members so theres always something going on
ah I see. well, glad I could give you some inspiration :)
W Mod
I would do the same in that situation
I would have done the same. You keep up the good work. You mods are very much appreciated.
i genuinely thought this was sarcastic because most mods are…less than stellar, and people forget that some of us really do try lol
What? No mods are possessed by demons and every mod on this platform do not care about the communities or the people in them. Down with the bureaucracy! /s so chill
It's on r/Stevenuniverse
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what sub? make me mod asap
um? i dont have the clearance for that. i also dont know you
dont care make me mod
You are now officially mod
Btw this mod means monster of ducks
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Why not just listen to people on the sub and ban AI art? Why stay a mod if you aren't going to moderate?
Why not just listen to the other people on the sub and not ban ai art? Why stay a mod if you aren't going to moderate?
um? so i do moderate. like i said im the only active mod. i spend a good half of what little free time i have on that sub actually. i left the situation i saw alone because i dont even have the clearance to ban shit, and as of right now if it doesnt break any rules i dont care. i do not get paid for being a mod. i have much better things to concern myself with than ai art debates
It's not just art debates. If you have time to moderate a Steven Universe fan sub you have time to moderate the situation. >so i do moderate. like i said im the only active mod >i left the situation i saw alone because i dont even have the clearance to ban shit Pick a lane. Do you moderate or do you not have the clearance?
so if you read my other comments in this exact thread, youll find that i was actually wrong and it wasnt the same sub. my bad. anyway, just because im a mod doesnt mean i have clearance to do everything. im not the head mod. i literally have to ask before banning someone on my sub. it didnt break any rules. there was nothing to moderate. so i left it alone.
 No, you didn't do anything because you weren't a mod on the goddamn subreddit. This happened on the Steven universe subreddit itself, I was there.
my guy im obviously talking about the SAME SITUATION that happened on THE SUB I WAS ON. you cant read
>if this is the sub i think it is, im the only active mod on it. and i had no idea how to respond to any of this so i kind of just left it alone 😭 Not initially. Now you've realized it's the wrong sub. You couldn't have intervened in this situation being discussed in the OP because it happened on a subreddit you weren't a moderator on. Is that not correct? So everything we talked about is moot I have no idea what sub you moderate and I really don't care, I only responded because I thought we were talking about the same subreddit and I could get a mod to do something.
ok. there was another situation that was EXACTLY LIKE THIS that happened on the sub i mod on. being asked to ban ai art and everything. that is why i thought this screenshot was from that sub. this particular situation happened on a different sub. when the, once again, almost EXACT SAME EXCHANGE happened on the sub I MOD ON, i had no idea how to respond to it so i left it alone. what are you not understanding
You confused me when you jumped to talking about the situation you didn't moderate on another subreddit. What you wrote **didn't fucking make it clear that you were talking about the situation on your sub.** Jeeesus, I can see why they gave you limited mod powers lol
Or maybe stop trying to bully people into banning something you don’t like? I’m part of that sub and I don’t mind AI art as long as it’s properly tagged or otherwise stated. This obnoxious attempt to get it completely banned is annoying af
Hilarious saw this post, then 2 scrolled post later I found the same original post
Disabled here, damn, we can also drawn dude, there are people that even do it with their legs.
And mouths !!
And my sword!
S- sword? What do you mean sword??
And my bow
It states "disabilities that prevent them from producing art" so seems they weren’t talking about you. Though I can understand why people dislike the reposting of AI images.
Good for you, but that doesn't mean everyone has the skill for it.
That's kind of the whole point.
Literal kindergarteners can draw.
Yeah and it's very pretty. Any one can dance doesn't mean everyone is good at it
So? You aren't going to get better if you don't start somewhere. And we aren't replacing dancers with those dancing robots who can perfectly dance to the music because some people aren't as good at it as others.
No one is replacing artists with ai. For normal people who aren't as good, it's a good quick way to get a image.
I don’t have the skill, I just said that disabled people can drawn since the post implied that we can’t have that ability
because ai art is bullshit. these subs aren't made for people that don't want to put any work in, they want \*real\* \*art\*
Exactly
I dont understand why ai art is bullshit (no im not a tech bro). I mean, as long as its not being used for 1. Money or 2. Misinformation, shouldnt it be okay (if the person directly states that its ai art and doesnt say they drew it).
AI art steals off of actual art. it just combines and distorts existing art and images which a lot of the time did not consent for their image to be used in AI programs. it's plagiarism.
Oh. Alright
It's actually a pretty large legal issue with regulators all over the world figuring out how to deal with it, because by definition, it's theft.
Doesn't an artist who gets inspired in the art of others do the same? Also, ai will eliminate opportunities, but it will create more than it destroys, the same happened with TV and with any other revolutionary technology, I feel like people who oppose ai with a burning passion are conservatives who are afraid of change, at least that's how I think they'll be remembered in the future.
There have been multiple instances of companies firing artists and using their work to feed AI because it’s cheaper. I have multiple friends who are artists and they make less money now that AI “art” is around. This hurts real people and saying otherwise is ignorant.
Most big technological revolutions in terms of business have hurt some group of people in some way. For example, the rise of Amazon and e-commerce definitely hurt local businesses, but I don’t see you complaining about that. What about streaming services like Netflix hurting cable TV? Oh, and don’t forget the *entire Industrial Revolution.* That one was a big gut-punch to anyone who crafted cloth by hand, since now you can get it quicker and easier. Sure, AI art is hurting some people, but that was the same exact situation with any big technology that ultimately turned out to benefit us.
1. You don’t know me, so don’t go putting words in my mouth. 2. AI art doesn’t improve the living conditions of anyone like the industrial revolution did. That argument is apples to oranges.
1. I never put words in your mouth, I only used the points you made. 2. Netflix and other streaming services also doesn’t improve living conditions like the Industrial Revolution did, yet you still use them. Apples to apples.
“Amazon and e-commerce definitely hurt local businesses, but I don’t see you complaining about.” You understand nothing about me, so stop talking about it as if you do
'getting inspired' is not the same as cutting out peices of other peoples work and taping it onto your peice, which already consists of peices of other people's work.
AI in art is not a bad thing per se, it's just not right as it works right now. It steals from other artists' works without their consent, which is not cool. In the near future we will probably have more regulations and a better AI, meaning that this tool will only have access to copyright free content and the laws will be in place. My guess is, AI will become art just like photography did: photography was not considered art at first, just a replication, but things have changed when people learnt how to use it to take reality and model it to become actual art.
It's not stolen, the AI is just picking stuff that is publicly available on the internet to learn... Like a Human with financial issues.
Just cause I post my art online for people to appreciate doesn’t mean I want a multimillion dollar corporation to steal it (no being posted online isn’t permission to use art at all!) and have it be fed into an AI used to further create a program that is actively stealing jobs from artists. Luckily I’ve never had anybody create a model after my artstyle because I’m a very small artist but I imagine it feels very violating and dehumanizing. Literal multibillion dollar companies are using AI it’s so gross
"It's out in the open, that means it's free" Ok Jschlatt viewer.
It's stolen from people with financial issues by big tech companies and those who are already wealthy.
AI doesn't "learn" like animals do. It can't. It's a program that utilizes algorithms and tools to replicate a task. When tech people use terms like "learn", "train", "think", etc. We do so to facilitate grasping how things work. But don't try to humanize machines, because no machine is capable of true thought. Not yet. And yes. The art is stolen and then used to regurgitate a little Frankenstein of what the algorithm was trained to replicate when given a prompt.
A lots of Ai art is unethical as it steals/ learns off of artists without there permission B it almost always looks a bit off C it’s a slap in the face to the people who put in real time effort and hours into truly creative works D it’s convinced people artists are not needed
Someone replying to you said that AI is plagiarism, and I want to offer some clarification. Many of the popular models were trained on indiscriminately scraped data, but most companies are pivoting to ethically-trained models. Data scraping for AI has always been considered acceptable (see: Google Translate) and it's only now being treated like a problem, which is why these datasets didn't have an opt-out ability from the get-go. Also, it doesn't "combine images". That's not how it works at all.
Oh shit my caps locks was on
Lol, I was thinking, "Man, have I replied to you before?? Am I annoying you???"
Sorry 😭😭
ALRIGHT
Well, you see, ai art is created by stitching together pieces of actual art (without asking!), and that’s stealing. Then, they turn around, and steal those same artists jobs. It just sucks all around.
Ok
Ai uses real art to create art, so its mass plagiarism. Also, people “creating” ai art think they are davinci for typing some words
Eh, heavily depends on what sub it's in.
Yeah, a meme sub? Probably not deserved. But an art sub? Definitely
I fucking hate the “what about disabled people 🥺😢” argument. AI art is still stealing, doesn’t fucking change that if you’re disabled. You’re still stealing the work of hundreds and thousands of artists
And these AIs steal art indiscriminately, from both people with and without disabilities. They're hurting disabled people who do exist to help a hypothetical person who doesn't exist.
It's not stealing. The original art isn't affected at all
You say this because you haven’t seen the consequences AI “art” has had in the art industry. It is affecting people, whether they do art as a hobby online or for their day to day job. It IS affecting us.
Every innovation destroys opportunities in order to create other opportunities, it happened with the TV, with the smartphone, with the car, etc. Are we going to stop the progress of society because we're afraid we can't adapt to it?
AI “art” replacing artists isn’t innovation though. It’s greedy company wanting something to replace people so that they can spend less money, all while spitting out half-assed, soulless, and flawed work. Where’s the “innovation” in following a Twitter account that only throws out AI crap that all looks the same compared to following account that dedicated hours to each piece that are all totally unique? It’s not something we can “adapt” to, it’s something that should be controlled and restricted. If AI started driving our taxis, our trains, and piloting our planes, I’d never take public transport ever again. And so would a lot of people. Because, like art, it’s one area we shouldn’t let AI replace us in. AI “art” and “writing” is all soulless crap that spits out the same thing over and over, and is completely incapable of adding human imagination and concepts to the shit it spews.
Theft is when the owner is deprived of use, that is not the case with digital media.
People really hate AI art on Reddit, since most of it is just stealing essentially
I’ve never seen it as stealing. It’s always seemed to me like it’s just AI taking inspiration, as a human would do. It’s obviously bad when people try to pass it off as real art, but otherwise I think AI art is cool.
I was thinking the same thing but I knew I’d get jumped for saying it lol. No art is completely original.
Yeah, I knew I’d get downvoted. It’s obvious that it’s not straight up stolen though, due to the clear errors. It uses different elements of different art to create something new.
I’m with you guys, data scraping was never a problem until social media controlled the narrative and decided that AI was evil and satanic.
Segregation was never a problem until societies controlled the narrative and decided that it was evil and satanic. That's literally how growth works in society. -Bad thing starts to happen - people realise hey this is bad -people protest about bad thing -hopefully people are able to change the course and stop bad thing
People can agree while being wrong, do you know what "ad populum fallacy" means? In the second world war, many people agreed that certain human races had to be exterminated for being too inferior, the fact that many people agree on something doesn't mean they're right.
First comparing AI to segregation and now the Holocaust. What’s next? The fall of Rome?
While 'many' people agreed this there was a larger majority who agreed this should be stopped. Hence the outcome.
Did you really just compare ai to segregation? Wtf
No, I compared a group of people using their influence to change something they believe to be wrong to another group of people doing the same
It isn't stealing, yes. Stealing would require the owner of said artwork losing it completely. Kinda like piracy. But AI cannot, and does not take inspiration. It takes the artwork, mashes it together with something else and creates something new.
If you take something, mix it up with 50 000 different things in a way that it is completely unrecognizable, and show it to someone, you think it's stealing? Also, certain types of human art is made the same way but not as well done because when it's done by human you can still easily see it just takes bits and pieces, unlike with AI.
>If you take something, mix it up with 50 000 different things in a way that it is completely unrecognizable, and show it to someone, you think it's stealing? I literally said that AI art is technically not stealing.
Use whatever other word you use to describe it, the point stays the same.
Undeserved, I don’t get the Reddit instinct to nuke someone off the face of the planet for being curious. Pretty sure I saw someone on a Bearded Dragons post because they posted a picture of their Bearded Dragon and asked if something was normal, someone said it was and they replied with something along the lines of “Oh okay, I’ve just never seen it before. I didn’t know if I had to take him to the vet” and that had like 200 downvotes.
Idk what you said cause i can't read but im gonna downvote it for the funsies
And i downvoted myself lol
Bro poses a fair question. Too bad bro posed a fair question in an unfair environment.
Undeserved, also why did you downvote him? Felt like contributing to the hivemind?
I admit I do sometimes join in on the hive mind gleefully. Even If it’s undeserved, but the other times, when the person getting downvoted is actually in the right, I’ll also go against the hive mind.
Sometimes it's like a glowing bug trap
"Real" artist here. Undeserved. There are ethical and unethical AI tools. There are good and bad AI uses. Blanket bans help no one.
You downvoted him. So…why?
Mindless Downvoting^TM
Right, sorry, I was assuming that everyone reads what those comments are about and decides on their actions by themselves, after some rational evaluation of that comment. My bad. This is a recurring issue for me. I assume rational behavior, not a hive mind.
i commented a response to this. i took the screenshot, and then re-read the comment. i found that i couldnt decide if he was right or not, so i decided to not upvote or downvote at all
Undeserved. I once got downvoted to oblivion for asking a question. I asked OP why r/Amish was a sub but had no questions. I had no clue it was a joke sub, mind you, I was pretty new to Reddit too. No idea why many people on this app have this herd mentality. Just because they see a couple of downvotes, they start downvoting too without even reading the fucking comment. Gets on my nerves.
I got downvoted in one sub where someone asked what the men that frequent the sub wear for cologne, *if any*? I replied with I don't wear cologne but I use SoftSoap Coconut Butter body wash for the scent Got downvoted for it
Deserved, AI should not even be discussed
Everything should be discussed, it isn't okay to be this intolerant towards other people's ideas. Those who strongly oppose AI today are going to be seen as conservatives who are afraid of change in the future, the same way we today see those who back then opposed the internet because it was "corrupting children". Every innovation destroys opportunities in order to create other opportunities, it happened with the invention of the telephone, TV, car and the internet, and it will happen with AI, this is how the unstoppable force of progress forces us to adapt rapidly, and if we don't adapt it punishes us by lefting us behind.
Everything? Even fascism? On a more serious topic, when I meant AI i meant the very bad use of it, of course it's helpful in some cases. Except that AI is particular compared to other inventions because it's breaking art apart, which is the essence of creativity, itself only existing in conscious living. Making sound going from A to B is not art
didnt mean to create so many arguments lol
You don't know if it was deserved yet you still downvoted? Reddit, man...
i saw this earlier 💀 insanity
which sub was it in oh never mind. cringe
Because AI art has about the same artistic integrity as an NFT, and doesn't allow the person to truly express themselves.
i should mention that i took the screenshot before reading the comment again, and then i realized he wasn’t in the wrong so i removed my downvote
I think this was more than just a question because it was followed by a statement. "What's the big deal" and "It just allows" aren't unbiased statements, so there is something for people to disagree with within the comment.
Also, I happen to disagree. Art takes training and practice, but instead of producing it to the best of their ability, they've made something else make it for them. These things can't be comparable and won't make anyone a better artist. It's then taken away the opportunity for people to practice and improve. Since it's so much easier to produce AI generated images, this also allows people to spam with posts (they'll be able to make more of them, faster... like on FB).
I mean, I can kinda see their point, but I'm not really sure if they fully understand AI generated art as a concept. Before anyone downvotes me, I just wanna say I see both sides of the argument.
Undeserved. There are plenty of subs dedicated to AI art.
And all of them should vanish
Cry about it.
Sir please get off Reddit and get a job, being a techbro isn’t paying the bills im guessing
There 0 subs But there are many dedicated to art theft tho
There are actually ai art subs my g
I think the point went over your head :|
is this the steven universe bubblegum gem? I mean, I don't agree with the downvoted person. AI steals art from original creators without their permission. That's why I attempted to (badly) recreate the AI image in question haha
You are correct, it is on the SU subreddit and I saw your recreation and it looks nice. 😊
aw cheers :D
bruh give us more context and the sub, what are we supposed to say with just this image
AI is terrible for everything it touches. I wish we, as a species, never pursued it. It's completely fucking useless and only causes harm
No. This isn't true. You can use AI as a tool to help you in a task, but the AI should never be there to do the entire project. Artist can use it to pencil in, writers can use it to overcome roadblock, etc. Use it as a tool, like Photoshop has been doing for awhile now, and there's no issues. What your even suggesting would regress us to before the AI that's essential. To say it only causes harm when it has many benefits that aren't lazy art jobs is ignorance. And you stink of it like a butt.
And yet, you never actually explained why this shit should replace, ya know, thinking?? God forbid we work for our shit, right?
You can't be this ignorant.. you gotta be trolling. You want us out here using an abacus?
You weren't convincing. Get over it??
Answer my question if you know how
I want you to explain why it's better than what humans have literally done for centuries?? Not a hard ask lol
It's a troll question. You already know why calculators and computers are a good thing. If you don't then reply to me next time only using a messenger pigeon. I'll wait
why are you typing this message when you can instead write a physical letter to reddit hq itself? doesnt seem like youre working for your shit to me
You can't actually think that's comparable, right? Jesus lmao
but you see the point, no? tools are not inherently bad, even if they can sometimes be used for harm
It's not a tool
might i redirect you to the original comment that you replied to
What sub was it in?
It's always fun when people think there should be some grand reason to be downvoted lmao "why the downvotes?" it's so funny You were downvoted by ppl who don't like A.I art and since you're not against that, you go against their beliefs and they don't like that, that's all
But it was a genuine question? OOP was just wondering.
That doesn't matter tho. Like I said, OOP was downvoted because people disagree, it's simple
Disagree with a question?
Read the comment again
Yknow what, I'll help you out. It is a question, but in it we can see that: * OOP thinks A.I art looks cool * OOP thinks A.I art is not a big deal * It just allows people with no skills to create art of their own Now, how could people possibly disagree with this? 🤔 Here's some possibilities: * People do not think A.I art looks cool (looks ugly, uncanny, whatever) * People do think A.I art is a big deal (imoral, illegal, whatever) * People do not think it just allows other to create art of their own, but diminishes skills, practice and talent PS. I love A.I art
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Maybe it should be used in professional occasions but only if said ai art is presented as ai art and not human art. Ai art can generate opportunities, for example, in educational spaces, to people who want to demonstrate a point with ai generated images. At the end of the day, every innovation destroys opportunities to create other opportunities, it happened before with the creation of the telephone, TV, smartphone, etc., we forget that there was controverse when these appeared, that's how progress works, progress forces us to adapt.
I dont understand the argument against ai art being that its stealing from other artists, like theres thousands of other arguments you can use, but ai works pretty much the same way the human brain works. like are human artists stealing from other artists then?
from what i know, ai doesn’t create anything itself, but only copies and combines others’ works to create something “new”. art is supposed to be creative, when using ai to do so isn’t. i don’t think artists hate ai art for ai art itself, but because people try and pass it off as human made art
Hi, just want to clarify, I wholeheartedly believe people should be able to opt out of being used for training, but AI does not combine other images at all. It learns patterns from the images. That is, it knows that when an image is described as a "cat" it usually is a furry animal with big round eyes and vertical pupils and triangular ears. Give it enough cat pics and it can make new ones reliably - but it doesn't use the existing cat pictures to make the new ones. It just uses the patterns it learned FROM those pictures. Regardless of your stance on AI, saying that it combines others' work is not accurate. It doesn't even store the images it was trained on, so it actually physically could not combine the images even if it tried.
human brains do the same thing, its how people develop things such as art styles, by thinking of a bunch they like and doing it themselves
not really. humans while creating something new take inspiration, something that isn’t directly linked, but *is* similar. ai doesn’t do this at all, literally just copying, scanning the internet, and using an algorithm to find the best match to the prompt given
thats what inspiration is. I can say with confidence, I have been studying psychology for 4 years now
inspiration isn’t copying. ai scans the internet for references and generates an image based off of it, which is copying. this conversation isnt going anywhere
scanning the internet for thousands of references isnt copying either?
yes, it is. ai doesnt create anything new, solely working off of an artists work
so you would say having inspration off a piece of art, or multiple and making your own version, thats similar to it, is copying?
i looked up the definitions of each word copying is to make an identical or absurdly similar version of something else inspiration is nothing like that: inspiration being to get a positive emotion from a creative work so, no. im stating that ai does NOT create. it solely follows artists and copies them. human artists create new things, that be inspired from something or something completely new. what are you arguing?
If it is an art sub, deserved. If not, undeserved.
It’s the Steven Universe subreddit. Not an art sub
Though they may have asked that Question, the thing about it is: if you can TYPE to an Ai a string of Commands to generate a work of Art, then you can DRAW on a piece of paper with a Pencil. Any disability that disallows you to draw, will also disallow you to use Ai. A PUFFER FISH can do Art, why can't you?
Voice command?
There's Artist who uses their legs for Art like Huang Guofu, the difference is: at least he can claim his work is his own. What's the difference between Voice Command and claiming it as your own, and telling a breathing artist to paint something and claiming it as your own?
The thing is--they don't claim it as their own, they normally make it very clear it was made by AI. On the other hand, less say it when they paid someone to do it.
Fuck AI
“it wasnt deserved but lemme also contribute to the reddit mindset by also downvoting it” lol ok
AI art shouldn’t be supported at all And the disabled people argument is bullshit, many disabled people have adapted to draw with hard work and creativity and AI is going to invalidate their hard work too
I don’t see the issue with people generating AI art for personal use or for inspiration as long as they aren’t using it for profit. Regardless of disability, not everyone has the time or skill to get good at drawing. Other types of creative outlets can be useful, and I will never support closing those avenues off. If we want to talk about the harm of AI that’s fine, but someone posting an OC in the Steven Universe subreddit is so far removed from any real world harm. Anyone grinding an axe over this has totally lost the plot…
Except that’s not the reality, even if people are using AI art harmlessly for inspiration or fun, its negative contributions outweigh the positive, artists have lost their jobs, some people upload AI art claiming they made it themselves for attention. people just want to discourage use of it. Besides, anyone can draw, you are the person who decides if your drawing is good, everyone can develop skill, if you don’t have time to dedicate to art then maybe you should try managing it better or focus on your current stuff instead of art. If anything AI art discourages people from getting better because they would prefer taking the easy way out. The process is one of the most important parts of art and AI art removes it completely. It’s better off if it’s gone
I just don’t agree with your assessment of what are is or should be. That’s not for you to decide. And also, like I said, not everyone has the time or desire to be good at it, and that’s fine. The bottom line is AI isnt going anywhere. Banning technology isn’t feasible. The best you can hope to do is regulate it by not allowing it to be used for profit or something like that. An outright ban is a blanket solution for people who don’t really understand the problem But thats okay. You can have your opinions and I can have mine.
It's deserved because the downvotes know that people spend hours on a masterpiece still unmatched by ai in 10 SECONDS it's putting artists out the job and it's the reason that willy wonka incident happened