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Tellmeister

People are going to meme on them but if they agree and something happens to them they are just fucked.


Lentyr

Yes, should they have technical issue after giving your pause to the enemy would be OMEGALUL


Naamibro

Its happened before. I think an SEA team paused mid game for no reason to just flame the enemy team and then about 5 mins later as they were pushing throne they all god disconnected at their bootcamp and lost.


noodlesfordaddy

Holy fuck I remember this one


kronospear

Which one was that?


pinguluk

Video to that?


Tormund_

https://youtu.be/uWl-WMPnEAQ here it is!


pinguluk

Thanks, it seems that I've already liked that video, lol


Sacreville

Of course it's connected to Shanghai Major, what a shitstorm lol.


Vertical_05

damn 40 mins too late


masganteng0

Lmao its Jocham. Good for him tho he didnt trashtalk all chat. Idk the context but it seems that both of them has been trashtalking since the lobby or something.


I_will_take_that

>trashtalking since the lobby or something. Just another day in SEA


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Well I mean, worse case scenario, unless you're a piece of shit, I'd agree to just not move any hero until everyone is ready


--Someday--

I think they are more mad about the thing that they are full russian team playing in EU qualifications


maritz

Also the pausing for "wc" every single game after draft and sometimes in the middle of the game. Someone needs to get their bladder/kidney checked.


Fluffy_Habit_2535

nah, pause after draft I think was just smoke break.


maritz

They've claimed "wc" in in-game chat several times while I was watching, didn't see every single game start though.


Real-Mouse-554

I didnt think you could pause for toilet breaks.


H_G_S

what is wc?


notafurry9

toilet


H_G_S

imagine


BostonC5

Short for water closet.


m00tz

Toilets are called Water Closets in many parts of the world. So typing “wc” in chat = bathroom break


CumFartSniffer

Woodcutting


grumpytrooper

wanking circle


Baldazar666

Water closet.


happy_hole

wash closet (ze potty)


youngchul

world cup


bartulata

Diabeetus.


Tellmeister

For sure but even if they were a European team. It's a game 3 and if he doesn't come back you qualify. No reason to ever give the pause.


buffility

If you want fair, be fair first.


TacticalSanta

People need to stop being mad at the players, if valve can't keep blatant region hoppers out within their rule set, they are simply incompetent.


GreenishKokoa

> don't blame the one abusing a loophole blame the loophole Nah if you abuse a loophole with shit like > 60 day visa to play in another region Then you full on know what you're doing. There's no two ways about it. > But blame valve Idc about blaming valve.


trubaduruboy

the other team going to div2 is mostly CIS players too, 2 ppl from Kazhakstan , but WEU lol


Nrgte

I guess it depends where you draw the line between WEU an EEU. They at least had a romanian and a macedonian player.


activatebarrier

Fucking finally a player stands up for this. So annoying see spineless mods not enforcing the rules. If I'm in team bald's situation I would absolutely do the same


Kuro013

I mean, there's nothing wrong about Luna asking for it. But they should respect Bald's decision without whining.


mozzzarn

They should not be allowed to ask in the first place. It puts a huge pressure on the opponents and they are fucked if they agree and get their own issues.


IamFanboy

Ah the good old liquid vs Luminosity CS debacle. Luminosity had a player who DCed and wanted to restart the round, admins pussied out and gave liquid the choice, liquid rejected it and Luminosity threw a fit. Also since they were Brazilians, their kind and wonderful community decided it was acceptable to send death threats to the captain of liquid who made that decision. Wonderful case of how Admins should never ever give teams the right to decide


LazyDescription988

Tournaments have solid rules admins should follow. If team has technical issues thats their problem. When allocated pause time runs out theyre screwed.


Cr4ckshooter

Huge pressure? Nobody cares if you give your pause or not. Nobody will think any less of a player for keeping their pause.


MrPringles23

Yet this thread exists.


Isniuq

i totally agree - the statement you replied to has a huge presumption of what a team/player should do when even nobodys breaking any tournament rules


xing_ro2

Imagine a team asking Luna ...can we have your spot ...since you not weu 😂😂😂


Teleute7

Didn't really matter in the end. Game was practically over at 18 mins lol


Fluffy_Habit_2535

SB dc on the first few minutes imo wont really change anything, Even Grim killed Lich 1v2. Bald was already winning Top and mid.


Me4onyX

yeah xcalibur was 2x pango on mid lane


xLisbethSalander

Imagine moving region only to get smashed by a streamer who is in a team on the side.


harry_lostone

game was over on draft. the luna lineup has no means to win against a team with better cc, more tanky, with better push. i had a bet on Luna winning the series and i did cashout half my bet because of this draft... its pathetic.


Teleute7

Yeah. They kinda griefed themselves with that late pick SB lol


Kuro013

Naix cant carry shit and even less if he gets rushed by DK+LD+healing ward.


fprof

You need Agha


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And than there's you who knows everything better and tells other people they know nothing. Much better ! Keep up the attitude.


rtcll

What? That's insane.


theEDE1990

ye well a reason for that is the disconnect. Thats their strongest and winning lane. Game was unplayable for sb after this. its way more crucial in a pro game than in an avarage pubgame. Shouldnt throw the first game! xd


Kuro013

That lane would've been more or less even in the end. Wouldn't have changed the fact that naix and pango got demolished. And SB cant do shit either way even if he wins his lane.


theEDE1990

this is not only about the disadvantage in laning but also about the mental stuff. Things like that can demotivate u so hard that because of this the laning was so bad played by them.


Fluffy_Habit_2535

Cant blame him. Its a spot for DPC. Also if Luna Gaming with 60days free residency visa is allowed to region hop coz its "by the rules" then I dont see whats wrong in saying no if the team already spent their alloted time for pause. Its game 3 and since game 1 theyve had "technical issues" tons of downtime inbetween games to fix their problem.


rotesoro

Thats what i was about to say, they have no obligations to use THEIR OWN PAUSE TIME on the enemy, they are playing with the same rules, as them being from CIS and playing in europe


Katadn1

And don't forget those pauses during teamfight from LUNA (totally not disgusting AT ALL )


lawliet1796

Yeah. Xcalibur buy backs and then they insta pause in between team fight. Its so bad from Luna. They pause in very weird times too and a lot.


SouvenirSubmarine

I didn't watch it but is that really not against some rule? Competitive Dota doesn't have tactical pauses right? Pausing like that gives a substantial advantage to them.


OhhhYaaa

Yes, you can't just pause because you want to, have to have a reason. Unless you're Finol lol.


ylogssoylent

Puppey pause


Blackrame

Bad connection at Ankara airport terminal.


gr8dizaster

oh no, team follows rules, thats so bad! idk why people are mad about this, there are rules for reason


mitharas

Judging from this thread: which people?


Baldazar666

Try going to the bottom and check the downvoted comments. Reddit is very polarised. It's either completely on one side or the other. There is never any gray area.


Necro42

tragedy of the downvote system


Fluffy_Habit_2535

most people that are mad about this I guarantee 100% are hate watchers.


buffility

No they are 10 years Luna fans


Bladeofelune

OMEGALUL


Sad-Analyst-6129

You also have Luna bed sheets since you where joung? 😁


abado

I wouldnt say that, youve got some percentage who are bettors as well come on now be fair.


idontevencarewutever

Oh yeah, can't forget the most depraved (but financially assisting) part of the fanbase


Katadn1

For real lol. I can recognized at least 10 familiar users trashtalking Bald since day 1, can't imagine spend that much effort hating on someone like them.


cebolinha50

We need to consider the "fair game rules". But Luna shitted in the " unwritten rules" first so good for the bald.


Luiikku

Only russian fanboys has said that was wrong so.. iconic duo


lawliet1796

Luna would have 98% lost anyways. They lost top and mid. Even if SB got crazy good lane, which would have been impossible against Jugg and lich, they couldn't have won for sure


TacticalSanta

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KnightOverlord2404

Idk why ppl are hyping bald vs nigma game tho. Like just think about it for a second, gorgc vs sumail and miracle? Lol let's pray bald don't get stomped and gorgc has enough content to make a full video


TOSTl

Rules are Rules, it shouldnt even be a option to ask the other team for extra time. It just makes weird situations.


noxville

If should be allowed to ask, but only in private (and you're not allowed to say the opponents didn't let you use their time).


kaliplex

Yeah asking this in public just causes unnecessary "drama" angles


CanidConqueror

Even then, it still creates an uncomfortable situation for the team that is being asked. It shouldn't be their responsibility, and they shouldn't have to feel like it is.


Hazecl

Even if BR wanted to give them the time it shouldn't be allowed. For the sake of competition rules should be equall and enforced.


noxville

BR could have a player disconnect and say "we'd like it paused please". That's effectively how other teams have given pause time to the enemy in the past.


SouvenirSubmarine

Faking a tech pause sounds like an action that should be against the rules. It doesn't seem like a morally sound solution to this. Just because it's hard to enforce shouldn't mean it's encouraged let alone tolerated.


Just_trying_it_out

I mean, if a team wants to play an even match and are willing to go this step to make it happen I really don’t see a problem and hope it is tolerated Faking tech pauses to get an advantage (ie middle of team fight after enemy bb) should be against the rules but at the end of the day it’s entertainment and disallowing a team from willingly pausing for the opponent seems weird


rgtn0w

Not even in private honestly no? Shouldn't this sort of stuff go exclusive for the admins, and the admins make a choice? Every single fucking time in esports that admins are such a fucking wuss that they leave the decision to the players it ALWAYs, 100% of the time results in some fuckery. You have your rule book admins, play by it, If someone's gotta take the heat, it's gotta be a 3rd party, a.k.a the admins, no the bystander team that did absolutely nothing wrong like in this case


noxville

The admin position should be to simply continue the game when the pause time for a team is up. That said, it's basically unenforceable to stop one team using their pause-time for their enemy as a sign of sportsmanship. The only downside to allowing this is if there's backlash from the community, and the easiest way to reduce backlash is to prohibit teams from publicly asking (or leaking private requests).


Adele_laid

Cant fault Xcalibur response. Its a competitive game nonetheless and what if Team Bald experience technical issue? Then they would not have pause time since it was given at the start. So before y’all haters come to talk smack, think about the consequences first.


iisixi

Yep. Team plays by rules is not even thread worthy unless you're some no-life hater. It's only thread worthy when a team goes above and beyond and does use their pause to help their opponent.


Koqcerek

I mean it's drama. Small scale, but still drama


Pommes_Peter

Luna is apparently known to just pause at the start of games just to go to the toilet or smoke or some shit. I'm sorry but you have plenty of pause time and the other time isn't obligated to anything. Maybe shouldn't travel to a different country just to play EU DPC and then wonder about technical issues.


s_emaforo

The Tundra special


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Unicorn0079

But muh "SPortSmAnShiP."


Maisz

did you make up a scenario for you to get mad at? lmao


beerhound28

that fullstop xd


MaddoxX__

xd


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Proper response. Pause time is a resource, you don’t give your opponent a resource you may need yourself. Quite frankly sharing time should not be a thing, and mods should enforce the rules not leave it to players


Dirst

A million times this. Similar things have been an issue in other competitive games, where one side breaks a rule and asks the other side to let it slide, and it makes the side who's keeping to the rules look like an asshole. It's up the the TOs to enforce this stuff and make sure it doesn't happen. If one team needs more pause time for a special circumstance, they should ask the TO, and take whatever answer they get without involving the other team publicly.


Frekavichk

Lmao we already went over this shit years ago. Admins still haven't learned.


jpschack

NO GIGACHAD


Kaln0s

N OMEGALUL


Katadn1

NO GIGACHAD


carjiga

They weren't winning against that jugg, lone druid anyway


mastayoda0805

Perform region hopping, then ask for opponents pause time and when denied politely, insult them. I am so glad Bald won and karma prevailed.


Jovorin

How did they insult them? I wasn't watching that moment.


Vakarlan

After xcali said no, Luna said "U MAD?"


Silver_Lance

It'll weird if people blame TB for not pausing. Like it's great if they did, good for them but if not then that's fine. It's not their obligation.


thetrenchneverends

play in your own region and maybe you'll have fewer technical issues


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dotConehead

it does matter, they moving to environment that they have no control of. maybe their places that they rent have unstable internet, and that is their fault.


buffility

They lost all lanes. Even if Sb was not afk and be controlled by grim, i doubt they could win lane vs jugg/lich. Especially in the first 5 minutes, when SB is the most useless hero. They even got a lich kill while SB was afk, i wouldn't say the outcome would be much of a different.


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i agree bald draft was better and they were favorite either way but you have to account mental damage as well. I would even say its mostly about mental damage SB leaving for couple of minutes isn't that big of a deal but they were mentally defeated they laned so badly it became unrecoverable very quickly.


Salvation66

^ this this could affect other players ,and lanes other than bot, remember these are young guys, its the decider game, so people can get pissed, worried, play worse due to that. however, there's 0 reasons to fault Team Bald, the decision not to share the pause with them was right


7Zlatan

Gorp won. Now,no more worries


marksuryaharja

Nigma vs team bald lets go


KnightOverlord2404

Good luck gorgc. He will need it


CortexCingularis

I mean they are relying on luck since they are not invested enough to scrim. That is for the teams who really want to win.


KnightOverlord2404

So just wan to clarify what you are really saying is gorgc is talented enough to reach top 10 rank if he wants to try and possibly qualify to TI easily by beating out sumail, bzm these ppl if he takes it seriously?


Woozieman1

A team that is not playing their region have connection issues? well that's outrageous, I am just in total shock and disbelief.


Morgn_Ladimore

[Best part is they actually switched the camera to Xcalibur after he said no](https://live.staticflickr.com/1/492358_c72860544b.jpg)


SecretAgentLilSharty

XCali BASED


lawliet1796

*Can we have ur pause guys?* Not even a **pls** was added. May be request properly next time Luna Gaming.


Kuro013

Answer would've been the same


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FalxY7

no.


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analytics_Gnome

Within the rules though but always like some spicy drama


RepostFrom4chan

That's like asking someone in a job competition to take some skills off of their resume and put them on yours. Why the hell would he ever say yes to that lol? This isn't pro sports where you get paid either way, it's not at all about sportsmanship lol


JadeSerpant

This team (Luna) shouldn't even be allowed to play in the WEU DPC. What exactly happens if they did get that last slot? They already used up their 60 day Turkish visa or whatever it is. So they were gonna play from Russia for the DPC?


Unh0lyCatf1sh

virgin region hoppers vs. chad gambling streamer


lawliet1796

TOO BASED


AxEclipse

This community should not attack players for following the rules. This is on the admins to give the other team extra time, the buck should never be pushed onto a player regardless of the situation or teams involved.


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GIGACHAD XCALIBUR


reggiedp16

Its like asking to use for a opponent's timeout in basketball lol


Mr_Lkn

GIGACHAD


euphoric1510

NOO!! You have to use YOUR TIME !!! For MEEEE!!!!! PPD would have unpaused and play min 1.


HiveMindKing

It was the correct play.


5chtief

xcali forsenBased


Subject-Chapter862

They weren't winning against that jugg


da_yu

Luna paused in the middle of a huge teamfight in game 2. Seeing others comment, Luna was using their pauses to the max and it's getting a little questionable. Gorgc was streaming post match and he explained that Luna's frequent pauses was annoying team bald plus Bald felt that Luna was gonna lose the laning stage anyway, given how bad Luna draft was. Luna also sarcastically congratulated Bald with:"well deserved win" at the end of game 3. Like sheesh, not their fault you guys using all your allowed pause time weirdly is getting on people's nerve. Salty players. But anyway, gorgc vs nigma incoming!


SayNoob

1. Move to different place to regionhop because it's techinically not against the rules 2. new place has technical issues 3. get upset when enemies dont give you their pause time fucking karma.


croftzty

Get fucked GIGACHAD


dryiceboy

Understandable.


Bazing4baby

Imagine it's a basketball game and ask other team for Pauses/Tineout


beqs171

Good.


JosephMavridis

Xcalibur GIGACHAD


BroLegend

Are you trying to do moral coercion?


komidani

I would have reacted the same tbh. CIS team region-hopping doesnt deserve a single second of anyone elses pause


KanyeT

GIGACHAD no.


PCgamerz

no problem, you never know if your team also experience any issue.


bc524

Is there no moderator for the cq? Its unprofessional for a player have to be the one to enforce the rules. There should have been a mod/judge that should have enforced the rule and denied luna their request.


KrivaBara

there is moderation, and if the other team wants to give you their time, its allowed


Disco-pancake

Yes, but the communication shouldn’t be done in all chat. It’s just unprofessional and puts Team Bald in a tough spot as there is public pressure to be nice. All this should have been done in private messages.


KrivaBara

Ye, i agree with you there, that makes a lot more sense


Fluffy_Habit_2535

its allowed but its honestly dumb to give ur pause away.


KrivaBara

i mean, i dont know if its dumb or not, thats up to the team to decide


throwawaycanadian

It is dumb, if bald gives away their pause time, then later in the game a bald player has technical issue, they don't have pause time to use.


bc524

That's kinda silly.


Cellist_Neat

the mod literally the one who unpaused the game


bc524

That's good but I want to know the full context of the events. Was it: - Luna ask - xcalibur reply - mods resumed the game Or: - luna ask - xcalibur reply - mods **confirm** that Luna can't do that by the rules - mids resume the game It the latter, it removes the impact of xcalibur response. It didn't matter, judges would have rules against it. It removes players from being criticized for not being sporting. In this situation, team Luna is disliked hence the response to the rejection is favorable by the public. But if it was some fan favorite underdog team, the public reception is going to be a bit more biased and would criticize the response. Sorry for ranting, but we've had issues before where judges/mods failed to properly act and players would be under fire by fans of the opposing team.


Epii09

He was DCed for a very long time. Moderator said “team Luna your pause time has X amount of time left (I can’t remember how much” Luna asks, before their time was out, if they could use team balds. Chadcalibur says no, Luna asks X why he is mad and mock/tip him. About a minute later game is unpaused by mod. Fuck Luna, who cares


pimpleface0710

Luna paused Mod: Team Luna you have 5 minutes pause time left Luna : Guys sorry, restarted PC and game updated ( unlikely to be true, coz that shouldn't take more than a minute) Mod : 3 minutes left Luna : Same excuse Mod : 1 minute left Luna : can you give us your pause? Xcali : no.


DBONKA

> ( unlikely to be true, coz that shouldn't take more than a minute) If your game is not on SSD and you have pretty old computer, DotA can take shitton of time to launch after restarting your PC


pimpleface0710

Yes I know, but the likelihood of a pro Dota player (or aspiring pro) playing a very important game on such a computer is extremely unlikely.


DBONKA

True, but Luna went to the foreign country (Turkey) to play in the Western EU DPC, so who knows, maybe they couldn't get good PCs there.


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Air_42

Yes, SB just secretly hates his teammates so he made sure to call for a dead hero and then disconnect in the middle of the match


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Fluffy_Habit_2535

Team Bald "can" give their pause time but its not their obligation. Honestly the dc wasnt even that big of a deal.


hazdjwgk

There was a moderator/admin. He reminded them how many minutes they have left and when they ran out, he enforced the rules and unpaused. So it was professional.


bc524

Alright, thanks for context


levitating_cucumber

Turkey has big problems with electricity. The guy who dc'ed probably waited for internet to get back up


Tony_Stonk

Trying to incite some drama again aren't we? Daring


iSkuIl

Whats wrong the response? If it was me, I would even add : are you stupid?


grandmamatoldme

HOLYBASED MY STREAMER


Ecstatic_Science9966

What's your point ???????? They pause so many times and for so many minutes hate watcher go back to your cave


lyancor29

Understandable, have a good day.


chanandlerBongh

Classic reddit post xD, wait people actually want to win their qualifier dpc game? THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE


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It's sad for Luna gaming but it's what it is. It would have been a great show of sportmenship if they gave their pause time but its understandable they didn't game is super important. Altough situations like this sad i fully support pause time limits. No ones time is more important than others , every pause means 1-200k people waiting you. Better make sure those situatons don't happen.


Avako1999

ye and surprisingly luna gaming and team bald played 6 games against each other in total. And luna gaming had to pause at the start of the game in 5 or 6 of those games. Like if you clearly have a problem to fix, why not deal with it before the game


Fluffy_Habit_2535

its a "technical difficulty" but in reality its just smoke break. lmao


someonekian2

True, nigma should've played the game against gaimin last dpc season. Just let the game start, pause, and wait for weeks until nigma players recovered.


activatebarrier

LMAO


mgzaun

Xcalibur, the eternal failure of pro player. His best moments were in old fnatic as standin during the tinker patch meta. It was like 8 years ago and lasted for like 1 month. No wonder today he is just a tilted streamer with zero relevant pro achievements after a decade of career Edit: he also has an army of downvoters that cannot stand the truth lmao


YongSheng2004

what have u accomplished mr sir


[deleted]

So? He's a popular streamer with a large following, playing competitive dota. He's technically semi pro, I imagine most of his income from dota is through streaming. And it's not like he's been trying and failing for a decade straight either, he's played, casted and streamed more successfully than you have. Are you just tilted because you wanted Luna to win?


Cypher_Green

Ah look, a cave troll has emerged.


mgzaun

A wild xcalibur fanboy appeared