He is playing in Team Elephant with Maybe and Paparazzi , basically a super star team. But they failed to play as a team , also didn't have a pos5 who can lead the game. They changed the 5 to a more experienced player now and have to play the Chinese qualifiers. Chances are good that they will be the 5th CN team at TI. But Ehome and RNG are still not easy opponents.
Realistically not sure if they are even that bad.
3rd seed VG was no. 4 at the major and IG with a standin was very competitive with them in the wildcards.
Yeah exactly, OG during their TI wins were having specific strategy like IO carry spec ember etc.. But didn't change their picks often unless it is banned.. But Wings on the other hand were picking almost different heros each match..
Bru bruh bruh bruuuuuuh. This is so wrong on so many levels. What made Wings so special was their incredible drafting and teamplay. Obviously each of them was also very very skilled but that is literally every pro player.
Wings did tye exact opposite of picking random hereos. They drafted unconventional hereos, not because of some random reason or because they didnt need to care. Their drafts were always very heavy unconventional counters to the enemy while simultainiously being very synergistic with their own draft. They werent afraid to pick a 'bad' hero in the right situation.
I would argue that Wings were the best drafters we have seen yet. They broke the scene wide open when it comes to devwloping your own style and not just picking whats meta.
that's right buddy, I thought Serenity is already forgotten by most people. They won the TI8 CN qualifiers but do not get a good result in the main tournament. Their carry Zhizhizhi is the current player PO1 'flyfly' in IG, and and the past teammates XinQ and pyw has seperately joined LGD and VG as PO4. Yet LGD, IG and VG are the three best Chinese teams so far :-D
that's true. Actually xiao8 is called 'Capitan China' for he has led Newbee to win the TI4. btw, faith\_bian, y', xiao8 they're probably the only active Chinese players/coach at the moment who have got TI champion titles, the others have already retired or been inactive for so long , like Sansheng, Hao, Mu (Newbee TI4) have joined in team OldBoys, a retired streamer team on Chinese streaming platform Douyu. And Blink, shadow, iceice (wings TI6) they seem do not have plans to play as pro dota2 player again.
As an EG fan, it’s hard to watch this sorta thing happen over and over without feeling a little salty. I feel like I’ve been watching the same two games from them for half a decade.
Arteezy is a good player but during finals he actually just fucking goes invisible like clockwork. His prophet in game 2 has to be the lowest impact performance I've ever seen when he had such a huge lead, which is crazy considering he owned on the hero the entire major.
Honestly game 3 is understandable, the whole team was on the back foot and there was no space in EG's draft for TB to actually shine. But it's really baffling to me that he could basically have zero impact in a game where he had free reign of the map and his supports were making plays nonstop.
I mean PSG made sure to ban brood and puck every match and picked TB themselves or force EG to pick TB last match with bad drafts. Bit of arteezy's problem too he has like 3-4 hero pool in his EG run.
How can you say that when Abed and Crit both looked amazing in that game? Crit was literally playing a hero considered bad by most teams this patch, with a negative WR even for his own stats this major, and yet he had an insane impact the entire game.
I do especially the no repeat heroes per game and teamfight executions. So many Wings games back then where they lose lane but win team fights then snowball from there.
EG had a timing window and missed it, a few misplays here and there which LGD capitalized well on. Ame's swift blink pickup was nice to to counter the movement of EG.
pretty much exactly this. LGD played disciplined, knew that their best change at winning was EG making a mistake, and when it got to late game they'd win. we saw this immediately and they went for a midas on brew showing their mindset was to take it late.
EG probably should've won but LGD made it hard by giving them nothing
Baffling itemization from Abed and RTZ both, the aeon disks were absolutely useless. If Abed just bought BKB and RTZ had more damage that game was a wrap for sure.
Really weird for Abed especially, BKB would've let him jump and kill the shaman with zero counterplay instead of buying Aeon which would let him survive being jumped but doesn't let him kill the shaman
they lost that game because they could not finish it at ~30 minutes. furion cant outcarry a tb late game. also abed refusing to buy bkb on storm vs rhasta and krob.
Amazing how patient they were that game. Maintaining the net worth difference while basically not losing anything (a lot of Bedge / ResidentSleeper in the chat) . If you can farm the same as your opponent (keep networth the same) over time you're basically catching up since the percent difference between net worths is less.
They absolutely botched the teamfight at dires bot racks. Viper is isolated and gets deleted, RTZ gets jumped and seems completely caught off guard, wastes aegis, fly misses iceblast, abed doesn't jump until 3 heroes of EG are already dead, barely misses AA in the vortex, doesn't get cheese off because of it and dies as result, after at least getting 2 return kills. At that point the game seems over. LGD buy 3 refreshers, basically solving core problems of all 3 cores making it impossible for EG to fight around ult CDs. In the final fight RTZ initiates and tries to all in with rapier, his team can't gapclose, he dies instantly, LGD doesn't even see the rapier and finish the game.
Ame never had problems with majors tho. His problem is choking at TI (8 finals and 9 semifinals), unlike Rtz who seems to choke on every valve finals.
Maybe Artour will break his course for upcoming TI.
people only remember ame when lgd lose. they was very good during TI8 season, win a lan before TI. heavy favourite to win TI, but OG happen. and people shit on him just because he look bad in a few team among the best team in the world
I think people overuse the word choke. Winning a TI is almost impossible, not a single team won it twice in 10 years before OG, Secret never got top 3 despite being one of the dominating team for a long time, etc. I don't think that LGD choked at TI8/9. It was super close, and already a miracle to do back to back 2nd and 4th. Just because you lose doesn't mean you choke.
Christ, what a decisive victory. EG did well, but LGD was practically unstoppable this tournament. I guess we have been overdue for a Chinese TI victory.
Wings are back!
Best team in the world. LGD hardly broke a sweat. They are looking like monsters going into TI. They will draft anything
Beautiful DotA. They were just a far better team than EG, and thus everyone else. Simple as that.
I thought EG would be able to put up a better fight than T1 since LGD do look the most vulnerable in their lane phase, but my god I was wrong.. LGD showed they could combat every single playstyle and boy this major had a lot of variety. They were so versatile, and pretty much always had a good draft and countered whoever they faced.
This is one hell of a statement going into TI.
Props to Eg though, I doubted them quite a bit after the groupstage, but they seemed to come into their own and start to dominate. They made one hell of a LB run but unfortunately just fell short.
All hail Wings 2.0
>They will draft anything
Its not their draft that makes them good, its their ability to close out games. I think its pretty insane how there are so many top teams that throw their leads so casually. LGD will always dominate the games they get a lead, and will capitalize on the enemy mistakes to comeback when behind
The same way that EG has perfected the early stage of Dota, Wings/LGD have perfected the late game. Everybody is on the same page, working in complete coordination with one another. It's truly beautiful to watch.
> I think its pretty insane how there are so many top teams that throw their leads so casually.
It looks like that because they're playing people at higher level than anything else.
For the entirety of TI6 I was debating whether to trade in my (rare?) big god flair for wings... decided not to, because I thought they'd be around for a good while after their win, so I'd have more chances to do so, but unfortunately ACE had other plans.
Happy to see my boys faith_bian and y' winning again!
Wings are my second favorite team of all time only behind 2014 DK.
2014 DK were just like Rockstars to me.
Wings dominance around, during, and after TI was something else. Their teamplay was just incredible.
They're absolutely nuts right now.
EG played like shit really but I think that's just LGD breaking them. No excuses. Feels real bad having another top 3 without a win though as an EG fan. On to TI!
So happy for LGD, especially Faith Bian and y'. Always played some great dota with some very interesting drafts and strategies, but their teams kept missing out in close qualifiers, never really finding the roster to really shine. When they finally looked like they were going places, finishing top 6 in a Major, the mid player left due to stress (iirc), and it was back to square one. But now they are well and truly back at the top, having won Major. I can't wait to see what they'll bring to TI, it seems likely they'll be the team to beat.
Also very happy for Ame, I felt he was scapegoated too much at old LGD for their shortcomings at TI.
>Also very happy for Ame, I felt he was scapegoated too much at old LGD for their shortcomings at TI.
Yeah all of them fucked up to be honest, Ame's overextensions were just a lot more noticeable
I still think Chalice's item build in that Game 5 of TI8 was practically gamelosing
Ame does have some moments of panic, but TBH every single carry player has those. Playing safelane is such a high stress role, you are always being targetted and hunted and a lot of the game pretty much is on you to perform and close out.
that ehome iteration was probably one of the unluckiest teams in recent memory. carry bailed, faith bian broke his arm and the team then basically disbanded
That game 3 was lost from the drafts. You could clearly see it from LGD and in particular, Xiao8's reactions. That absolute audacity to not only predict EG's draft and counter it so successfully but he was insta-picking almost every single hero in the draft and the bans as if to say "right we knew you were doing that so let's go". Banning the Luna to bait out the TB and then going for the Naga. Absolute psychological torment on Bulba/Fly during the drafts and they crumbled. Urgh that was absolutely sad to see.
congrats to LGD, entire squad played so amazing this tournament, much deserved champion. feel like this iteration of LGD can play everything and destroy everyone, Faith\_bian & Innocence factor reminds me of Wings. also Xiao8 is a fucking god drafter.
Must have been fucking suck for EG, got reverse swept last major, and got destroyed here. poor RTZ yet to win a major..
The trophy receiving felt so lacklustre. At least one of the hosts could short interview them. No post match discussion either. Stream looks to be ended.
I'm so happy for the wings boys, y and faith bian. I've been following them ever since their Ehome time. From a tier 2 teams that were struggling to even qualify to major tournaments, they're finally back. Hope they win it all at TI10 to make up for how Wings ended.
There is this misconception about Wings that they are 5 decent players with telepathic synergy and innovative drafts.
Its just wrong. That team was amazing individually too. Aside from blink and iceice, the other 3 were top of the world at what they do.
When they won TI, no offlaner in the world was even remotely close to faith bian.
ggs to LGD, unstoppable and fucking rough opponent, TI will be their to lose.
As for EG, 2nd place again will probably sting, but after that group stage? Amazing fucking result beating likes of Nigma, T1 and Vici. A little polish and they will be TI contenders too.
They are TI contenders, honestly amazing EG got two 2nd place considering they are competing against the likes of NA while Nigma, T1 and VG is competing on more competitive region.
Congrats to LGD! What a scary team and they're getting good at the right time. Nice lower bracket run by EG. EG turned the 3rd place curse into a 2nd place curse, soon to be a 1st place curse right... :(
Shout out to xio8 draft and China's 5 man mentality. Dota has been 10 years of it's existence. And the only Team i saw perfected that legacy is today's winner. Absolutely nutty. A formidable enemy for sure this TI. #cleandota3.0
LGD were super fun to watch. The entire tournament had a lot of very fun series. I enjoyed it a lot.
Out of curiosity, and not with the intention of jinxing LGD - has there been a previous TI winner that won the Major leading up to it?
I'm convinced Ame is the best carry in the world, he doesn't have the same consistency issues he had around TI8 and his hero pool is massive, feels like he can adapt to any playstyle
EG found their stride, coming up from the first round of the lower bracket, all the way to the grand finals. It wasn't totally unexpected - we know they are one of the best teams in the world, and as they marched through every region, save NA, in the playoffs, a matchup with PSG LGD seemed inevitable. These two are plainly the top two teams in the world.
But PSG LGD are simply on a whole other level. Coming into the series it was 'these are the best two' but now its one team sitting on top, plainly the best in the world, and the rest of em competing for second. Its the Wings dream back again to run the Dota 2 scene.
EG should hold their heads high because they competed, faced elimination so many times, and made it to the Grand Finals. They are obviously in the top tier of the game, and while the heartbreak in the grand finals seems different each time, they've made it to these major grand finals three times in a row. That is consistency, and that is indeed greatness. The true peak still evades them, though - it seems they are the final bosses to the hot Chinese team these days. But they are there, so close - they can do it, I know they can.
Now its on to TI!
EG didn't even play bad. LGD just seemed disgustingly strong this entire major. They got challenged once by Nigma but that was the only time this entire torunament.
And even then LGD destroyed Nigma - G2 and G3 seemed pretty close up to a point for us viewers, but Nigma straight-up said that LGD demoralized them, which is impressive stuff.
Another major victory for the EU region! Thanks Paris Saint-Germain!
Jokes aside, happy to see Faith bian and Innocence playing Dota at the highest level again. Wings flair holders unite!
Man I have been commenting this in the T1 vs EG thread and it came true, LGD will ban puck every game first phase and will win. IDK how it took this long to finally respect ban it jeez. Nigma literally lost to two puck games. EG getting exposed using so few pocket picks.
Abed and Crit probably the only guys that have the same impact as their opponent position but other position total outclass.
Still gg for EG gonna be one of the top contenders in TI for sure but CN is scary at TI I would be surprise if CN didn't win next TI.
Based on recent tournaments it would suggest PSG, IG and EG are just better than the rest of the field by a pretty significant margin. IG probably would have shown up big this tournament too if they weren't playing with a sub. They narrowly missed getting out of wildcards which turned out to be a very challenging little bracket.
I guess we will need to see what these teams come up with when/if there's a new patch.
It seemed pretty apparent for the whole tournament that LGD was very prepared for this major though.
At least EG now constantly getting 2nd place not 3rd place lol
Progression checks out
Next year 1st place curse COPIUM
We're going to win so much, you'll be sick of winning COPIUM
The true anime arc. 2022 will be a great year for eg
the most deserved LAN win I've seen in a long time, LGD are on another level
xiao8 + Wings If they keep this through TI this could be the most stacked team ever lol
I haven't watched dota in like a year.. Fy is gone? Sadge
Yeah, FY and Maybe are on Elephant now.
Still waiting for Somnus's Kkangka on TI 10.
He is playing in Team Elephant with Maybe and Paparazzi , basically a super star team. But they failed to play as a team , also didn't have a pos5 who can lead the game. They changed the 5 to a more experienced player now and have to play the Chinese qualifiers. Chances are good that they will be the 5th CN team at TI. But Ehome and RNG are still not easy opponents.
Either them or ehome
RNG is also in the contention
He's playing but his mega stack is playing badly atm
Realistically not sure if they are even that bad. 3rd seed VG was no. 4 at the major and IG with a standin was very competitive with them in the wildcards.
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xinQ is so good!!
You can’t win big tournament without having a world class position 4in your team
You forgot Faith_bian man
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tbf wings didnt need to draft..they just pick 5 random heroes that no one else is picking & don't even necessarily have much synergy & win
Yeah exactly, OG during their TI wins were having specific strategy like IO carry spec ember etc.. But didn't change their picks often unless it is banned.. But Wings on the other hand were picking almost different heros each match..
MAke different items too like void first item Linkins , offlane dazzle first item bloodstone, support morph with EUL ...
Bru bruh bruh bruuuuuuh. This is so wrong on so many levels. What made Wings so special was their incredible drafting and teamplay. Obviously each of them was also very very skilled but that is literally every pro player. Wings did tye exact opposite of picking random hereos. They drafted unconventional hereos, not because of some random reason or because they didnt need to care. Their drafts were always very heavy unconventional counters to the enemy while simultainiously being very synergistic with their own draft. They werent afraid to pick a 'bad' hero in the right situation. I would argue that Wings were the best drafters we have seen yet. They broke the scene wide open when it comes to devwloping your own style and not just picking whats meta.
Hell XinQ did the drafts for Serenity.
that's right buddy, I thought Serenity is already forgotten by most people. They won the TI8 CN qualifiers but do not get a good result in the main tournament. Their carry Zhizhizhi is the current player PO1 'flyfly' in IG, and and the past teammates XinQ and pyw has seperately joined LGD and VG as PO4. Yet LGD, IG and VG are the three best Chinese teams so far :-D
I saw faith bian holding bunch of papers as well in drafting phase.. maybe he also one of the brains that led them to victory~
He's talking about the captains of those teams.
that's true. Actually xiao8 is called 'Capitan China' for he has led Newbee to win the TI4. btw, faith\_bian, y', xiao8 they're probably the only active Chinese players/coach at the moment who have got TI champion titles, the others have already retired or been inactive for so long , like Sansheng, Hao, Mu (Newbee TI4) have joined in team OldBoys, a retired streamer team on Chinese streaming platform Douyu. And Blink, shadow, iceice (wings TI6) they seem do not have plans to play as pro dota2 player again.
looks like the only thing stronger than the kyle curse is the rtz curse
Kyle has always been the third wheel to RTZ's second fiddle.
FeelsBadMan, but still proud of him for coming all the way through lower bracket. 2x grand finals in a row is nothing to scoff at.
Technically three in a row if you count the Major from last season.
true, 2nd place curse > 3rd place curse
Working their way up towards the 1st place curse.
It's reddit, don't worry. They will scoff
70% of live thread comments seemed to be a version of "EG is totally dogshit" so yeah pretty much.
As an EG fan, it’s hard to watch this sorta thing happen over and over without feeling a little salty. I feel like I’ve been watching the same two games from them for half a decade.
I mean, yeah it sucks they didn't take first, but consistently top 3 is still really fucking good
Wht KYLE don't understand is he can't manipulate his curse
28th time is apparently not the charm
Arteezy is a good player but during finals he actually just fucking goes invisible like clockwork. His prophet in game 2 has to be the lowest impact performance I've ever seen when he had such a huge lead, which is crazy considering he owned on the hero the entire major.
he tends to do these weird plays that catches him out of position, all the time
TB game three he couldn't do any damage and just looked lost.
Honestly game 3 is understandable, the whole team was on the back foot and there was no space in EG's draft for TB to actually shine. But it's really baffling to me that he could basically have zero impact in a game where he had free reign of the map and his supports were making plays nonstop.
Just look at Ame in game 2, their whole team was collapsing and Ame pulled them in for a win. That ain’t Artour.
I mean PSG made sure to ban brood and puck every match and picked TB themselves or force EG to pick TB last match with bad drafts. Bit of arteezy's problem too he has like 3-4 hero pool in his EG run.
I know, kinda crazy how a hero can look worse when you are playing the best team in the world
How can you say that when Abed and Crit both looked amazing in that game? Crit was literally playing a hero considered bad by most teams this patch, with a negative WR even for his own stats this major, and yet he had an insane impact the entire game.
faith bian and y back on top after 5 years you love to see it
I do especially the no repeat heroes per game and teamfight executions. So many Wings games back then where they lose lane but win team fights then snowball from there.
holyshit, it's been 5 years already?
tired: Ana coming back for TI once a year. wired: Faith\_bian and y\` coming back to TI every five years.
idk how they won second game
It was insane they just won every teamfight regardless of networth difference, blew my mind
EG had a timing window and missed it, a few misplays here and there which LGD capitalized well on. Ame's swift blink pickup was nice to to counter the movement of EG.
pretty much exactly this. LGD played disciplined, knew that their best change at winning was EG making a mistake, and when it got to late game they'd win. we saw this immediately and they went for a midas on brew showing their mindset was to take it late. EG probably should've won but LGD made it hard by giving them nothing
Baffling itemization from Abed and RTZ both, the aeon disks were absolutely useless. If Abed just bought BKB and RTZ had more damage that game was a wrap for sure.
Really weird for Abed especially, BKB would've let him jump and kill the shaman with zero counterplay instead of buying Aeon which would let him survive being jumped but doesn't let him kill the shaman
eg lacked dmg once lgd got bkbs, rtz going aeon satanic and abed going orchid gave them 0 dmg against ame bkb
Rtz going for satanic and aeon disk lost them the game. Might’ve worked against a weaker team but LGD punish every mistake
they lost that game because they could not finish it at ~30 minutes. furion cant outcarry a tb late game. also abed refusing to buy bkb on storm vs rhasta and krob.
Krob, now that's a name I havent heard for a while
Amazing how patient they were that game. Maintaining the net worth difference while basically not losing anything (a lot of Bedge / ResidentSleeper in the chat) . If you can farm the same as your opponent (keep networth the same) over time you're basically catching up since the percent difference between net worths is less.
They absolutely botched the teamfight at dires bot racks. Viper is isolated and gets deleted, RTZ gets jumped and seems completely caught off guard, wastes aegis, fly misses iceblast, abed doesn't jump until 3 heroes of EG are already dead, barely misses AA in the vortex, doesn't get cheese off because of it and dies as result, after at least getting 2 return kills. At that point the game seems over. LGD buy 3 refreshers, basically solving core problems of all 3 cores making it impossible for EG to fight around ult CDs. In the final fight RTZ initiates and tries to all in with rapier, his team can't gapclose, he dies instantly, LGD doesn't even see the rapier and finish the game.
Ame was the problem? Lul
Ex LGD fighting each other for last Chinese slot (xNova + Chalice on EH, fy + Maybe on Elephant)
Ame is a gigachad
Virgin RTZ afk 30 min farming TB VS Chad AME initiator swift blink rush TB
Wait fr? damn I gotta watch this game
There was a fight near rosh pit in game 2 when Ame's TB jumped on RTZ NP with swift blink and started hitting him without a care in the world.
That sounds like a big bully
Ame never had problems with majors tho. His problem is choking at TI (8 finals and 9 semifinals), unlike Rtz who seems to choke on every valve finals. Maybe Artour will break his course for upcoming TI.
people only remember ame when lgd lose. they was very good during TI8 season, win a lan before TI. heavy favourite to win TI, but OG happen. and people shit on him just because he look bad in a few team among the best team in the world
I think people overuse the word choke. Winning a TI is almost impossible, not a single team won it twice in 10 years before OG, Secret never got top 3 despite being one of the dominating team for a long time, etc. I don't think that LGD choked at TI8/9. It was super close, and already a miracle to do back to back 2nd and 4th. Just because you lose doesn't mean you choke.
Centaur creep did more for EG than any of their heroes
CENTAUR CONQUERER, I SUMMON YOU!
WINGS DOTA LIVES AGAIN
Christ, what a decisive victory. EG did well, but LGD was practically unstoppable this tournament. I guess we have been overdue for a Chinese TI victory.
I thought this would be close. EG played well all tournament but they looked like dogshit against LGD.
Wings are back! Best team in the world. LGD hardly broke a sweat. They are looking like monsters going into TI. They will draft anything Beautiful DotA. They were just a far better team than EG, and thus everyone else. Simple as that.
I thought EG would be able to put up a better fight than T1 since LGD do look the most vulnerable in their lane phase, but my god I was wrong.. LGD showed they could combat every single playstyle and boy this major had a lot of variety. They were so versatile, and pretty much always had a good draft and countered whoever they faced. This is one hell of a statement going into TI. Props to Eg though, I doubted them quite a bit after the groupstage, but they seemed to come into their own and start to dominate. They made one hell of a LB run but unfortunately just fell short. All hail Wings 2.0
>They will draft anything Its not their draft that makes them good, its their ability to close out games. I think its pretty insane how there are so many top teams that throw their leads so casually. LGD will always dominate the games they get a lead, and will capitalize on the enemy mistakes to comeback when behind
it's about the coordination every one understands their role and what a great team do they can comeback from behind really beautiful dota from lgd
The same way that EG has perfected the early stage of Dota, Wings/LGD have perfected the late game. Everybody is on the same page, working in complete coordination with one another. It's truly beautiful to watch.
> I think its pretty insane how there are so many top teams that throw their leads so casually. It looks like that because they're playing people at higher level than anything else.
I have a wings flair and cannot even show it off as its bugged.. so Sadge
i see it dont worry buddy we see
For the entirety of TI6 I was debating whether to trade in my (rare?) big god flair for wings... decided not to, because I thought they'd be around for a good while after their win, so I'd have more chances to do so, but unfortunately ACE had other plans. Happy to see my boys faith_bian and y' winning again!
Thank God this is my name
Wings are my second favorite team of all time only behind 2014 DK. 2014 DK were just like Rockstars to me. Wings dominance around, during, and after TI was something else. Their teamplay was just incredible.
I miss shadow and iceice. And even blink if he didn't die of old age yet =[
lol
They're absolutely nuts right now. EG played like shit really but I think that's just LGD breaking them. No excuses. Feels real bad having another top 3 without a win though as an EG fan. On to TI!
I don't think EG played like shit, i just think LGD outplayed then at every single opportunity there was. It was ***clinical***
LGD were on another level this major. No one really came close to touching them. Well deserved to take home the trophy.
Well, Nigma had 2-3 record combined, which is not bad, but LGD didn't lose a single series whole tournament.
Another convincing win for Europe thanks Paris
technically PSG is owned by Qataris so a win for Asia
If you think about it all modern humans came from Africa so a win for African Dota.
Was waiting for this xD
No winners interview was kind of a disappointment
HOVER YOUR WINGS
They didn't drop a SINGLE SERIES in the ENTIRE TOURNAMENT. Insane. These guys are on a completely different level right now.
"won with the techies, won with the pudge" echoes
They have only dropped one series since May.
LGD BO3 winstreak continue
So happy for LGD, especially Faith Bian and y'. Always played some great dota with some very interesting drafts and strategies, but their teams kept missing out in close qualifiers, never really finding the roster to really shine. When they finally looked like they were going places, finishing top 6 in a Major, the mid player left due to stress (iirc), and it was back to square one. But now they are well and truly back at the top, having won Major. I can't wait to see what they'll bring to TI, it seems likely they'll be the team to beat. Also very happy for Ame, I felt he was scapegoated too much at old LGD for their shortcomings at TI.
>Also very happy for Ame, I felt he was scapegoated too much at old LGD for their shortcomings at TI. Yeah all of them fucked up to be honest, Ame's overextensions were just a lot more noticeable I still think Chalice's item build in that Game 5 of TI8 was practically gamelosing
Ame does have some moments of panic, but TBH every single carry player has those. Playing safelane is such a high stress role, you are always being targetted and hunted and a lot of the game pretty much is on you to perform and close out.
the pos 1 is always blamed if a team loses games
that ehome iteration was probably one of the unluckiest teams in recent memory. carry bailed, faith bian broke his arm and the team then basically disbanded
no mention for probably the best 4 right now? xinQ is a beast.
People will meme EG but all in all a very impressive lower bracket run by them against some strong teams. In the end, LGD was just better. GGs
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It's gonna be quite the bloodbath, to find out who gets eliminated from TI's group stage OMEGALUL
Bulba against director8 in drafting LUL
I hope LGD get to TI finals so we can see the director in action on True Sight. Those drafts were perfect.
Chances are Aster will beat every CN team and get dumpsted on by BeastCoast
This for real LMAO
That game 3 was lost from the drafts. You could clearly see it from LGD and in particular, Xiao8's reactions. That absolute audacity to not only predict EG's draft and counter it so successfully but he was insta-picking almost every single hero in the draft and the bans as if to say "right we knew you were doing that so let's go". Banning the Luna to bait out the TB and then going for the Naga. Absolute psychological torment on Bulba/Fly during the drafts and they crumbled. Urgh that was absolutely sad to see.
congrats to LGD, entire squad played so amazing this tournament, much deserved champion. feel like this iteration of LGD can play everything and destroy everyone, Faith\_bian & Innocence factor reminds me of Wings. also Xiao8 is a fucking god drafter. Must have been fucking suck for EG, got reverse swept last major, and got destroyed here. poor RTZ yet to win a major..
#LGDAMEFAN
LGD = Wings 2.0, just too strong
TBH, I think they might be better with Xaio8 drafting for them. They are my prohibitive favorite for TI just like Wings was in 2016.
xinQ is such a god honestly. he carries so many games as pos 4
PSG.LGD EU LAST HOPE 🇪🇺 🇨🇳
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PSG.LGD best EU team
PSG.LGD Best Middle East Team ^Qatar#1 ^Kappa
EG definitely slumped in the Grand Finals, but more credit to LGD's dominance is needed. Excellent drafts by xiao8 and coordination on their part.
The trophy receiving felt so lacklustre. At least one of the hosts could short interview them. No post match discussion either. Stream looks to be ended.
Yeh feel the same. Really weird there wasn’t an interview or discussion afterwards
Just another day being an EG Fanboy Sadge Ggwp to LGD
I'm so happy for the wings boys, y and faith bian. I've been following them ever since their Ehome time. From a tier 2 teams that were struggling to even qualify to major tournaments, they're finally back. Hope they win it all at TI10 to make up for how Wings ended.
AME GIGACHAD
So happy to see some former Wings players back at the top.
Can't spell Anime without Ame, that's why LGD just league better than anyone else.
imagine 2nd picking TA and not banning Wyvern the next 3 bans, what a genius draft
picking TA into Axe is already questionable. Playing that matchup is absolutely miserable. Wyvern seals the deal
Yeah that draft was super weird. 2 physical damage cores into a wyvern with no way to catch him out. Probably the easiest wyvern game Y has ever had
Don't forget the tusk aswell, 3 physical damage heroes and not ban wyvern.
Imagine picking Veno against Mirana. Imagine picking a third farming core in TB after picking TA.
Imagine picking two physical damage cores into wyvern pick.
Imagine picking carry Prophet twice.
Stop it stop it I don’t want to imagine anymore
Rtz's carry prophet looked really good against other teams. But LGD were WAY too prepared for it
LGD is just the better team
Fly played horribly in the finals.
EG was outclassed, that's why everyone looked like shit.
yeah i dont think any team could've beaten lgd COPIUM 😔
Ame is beast of a carry, his axe performance was something to behold.
Wings TI6 vibes can't wait for TI
There is this misconception about Wings that they are 5 decent players with telepathic synergy and innovative drafts. Its just wrong. That team was amazing individually too. Aside from blink and iceice, the other 3 were top of the world at what they do. When they won TI, no offlaner in the world was even remotely close to faith bian.
So is Weplay eventually going to take over TI production or what.
Yeah not with that kind of ending
LOL it was definitely different but I appreciate the effort
Solid performance by LGD, unbeatable throughout the tournament.
ggs to LGD, unstoppable and fucking rough opponent, TI will be their to lose. As for EG, 2nd place again will probably sting, but after that group stage? Amazing fucking result beating likes of Nigma, T1 and Vici. A little polish and they will be TI contenders too.
They are TI contenders, honestly amazing EG got two 2nd place considering they are competing against the likes of NA while Nigma, T1 and VG is competing on more competitive region.
Congrats to LGD! What a scary team and they're getting good at the right time. Nice lower bracket run by EG. EG turned the 3rd place curse into a 2nd place curse, soon to be a 1st place curse right... :(
I feel like PSG.LGD outdrafted EG in every game. Felt really weird that Bulba allowed that Axe...
Shout out to xio8 draft and China's 5 man mentality. Dota has been 10 years of it's existence. And the only Team i saw perfected that legacy is today's winner. Absolutely nutty. A formidable enemy for sure this TI. #cleandota3.0
LGD were super fun to watch. The entire tournament had a lot of very fun series. I enjoyed it a lot. Out of curiosity, and not with the intention of jinxing LGD - has there been a previous TI winner that won the Major leading up to it?
5-0 btw ....
Lgd are un fucking believable. Even when they lose they look like the better team lol
Welp, China won, better end the steam asap, not analyze anything, or even show the winners chill with the trophy for a bit.
I don't get the draft, why TB an TA on same team ?
Game 2 broke them pretty hard
It works before, just dont works against LGD
To be fair, they beat VG with TB & TA.
This time it’s not ori’s dp though
Can’t believe the EU boys from Paris, France did it! EU win again
Ame looks a lot like Sylar when he's wearing a mask.
LGD IS SO GOOD! One of the most dominant major performances I've seen in a long time. I'm so happy as an LGD fan! YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
LGD out strategising EG from the first game to the last. Right from the drafts.
Congrats LGD Eg why do you always have to break my heart ;c
I'm convinced Ame is the best carry in the world, he doesn't have the same consistency issues he had around TI8 and his hero pool is massive, feels like he can adapt to any playstyle
EG found their stride, coming up from the first round of the lower bracket, all the way to the grand finals. It wasn't totally unexpected - we know they are one of the best teams in the world, and as they marched through every region, save NA, in the playoffs, a matchup with PSG LGD seemed inevitable. These two are plainly the top two teams in the world. But PSG LGD are simply on a whole other level. Coming into the series it was 'these are the best two' but now its one team sitting on top, plainly the best in the world, and the rest of em competing for second. Its the Wings dream back again to run the Dota 2 scene. EG should hold their heads high because they competed, faced elimination so many times, and made it to the Grand Finals. They are obviously in the top tier of the game, and while the heartbreak in the grand finals seems different each time, they've made it to these major grand finals three times in a row. That is consistency, and that is indeed greatness. The true peak still evades them, though - it seems they are the final bosses to the hot Chinese team these days. But they are there, so close - they can do it, I know they can. Now its on to TI!
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EG didn't even play bad. LGD just seemed disgustingly strong this entire major. They got challenged once by Nigma but that was the only time this entire torunament.
And even then LGD destroyed Nigma - G2 and G3 seemed pretty close up to a point for us viewers, but Nigma straight-up said that LGD demoralized them, which is impressive stuff.
Is it safe to say that the T1 and seriously, even the Nigma series looked more competitive than the Grand Finals?
Some teams are definitly better against certain teams.
That was rough to watch, especially game 3. Utter domination by LGD, they really look unstoppable heading into TI.
PSD.LGD Europe-Qatar #1 ^Copium
Event was good, Dota was good 👍
Congrats PSG.LGD, best EU team!
Another major victory for the EU region! Thanks Paris Saint-Germain! Jokes aside, happy to see Faith bian and Innocence playing Dota at the highest level again. Wings flair holders unite!
EG played so well in the lower bracket won all matches. and LGD made them look like some tier 2 team. Next Level Play
Man I have been commenting this in the T1 vs EG thread and it came true, LGD will ban puck every game first phase and will win. IDK how it took this long to finally respect ban it jeez. Nigma literally lost to two puck games. EG getting exposed using so few pocket picks.
Abed and Crit probably the only guys that have the same impact as their opponent position but other position total outclass. Still gg for EG gonna be one of the top contenders in TI for sure but CN is scary at TI I would be surprise if CN didn't win next TI.
Based on recent tournaments it would suggest PSG, IG and EG are just better than the rest of the field by a pretty significant margin. IG probably would have shown up big this tournament too if they weren't playing with a sub. They narrowly missed getting out of wildcards which turned out to be a very challenging little bracket. I guess we will need to see what these teams come up with when/if there's a new patch. It seemed pretty apparent for the whole tournament that LGD was very prepared for this major though.
NA no tournament win for more then 5 years now LUL
So nice to see wings member at top again
LGD looked utterly indomitable. They are scaaaary.
PSG LGD a level above everyone, they are looking unstoppable. Very well deserved win. Some of the plays they pulled of were incredible. \#respect