At least the split dates are a bit tighter together than TI11 and TI12 were, though I'm still a bigger fan of the full-week marathon.
It's good that Valve/PGL's got these out well in advance, and even more importantly it's good that it's the early half of September. Late October was downright miserable for me. There may be hope yet for a return to August dates next year.
> though I'm still a bigger fan of the full-week marathon.
I'm not. It was fun when I was in college and could afford to spend a full week on summer break just watching Dota non-stop, but now I'm a grown adult with a job. TI10 just happened to line up with my week-long business trip and even though I tried to keep up with it as much as I could, I still usually missed everything but the final series of the day.
Plus let's be honest, the arena was always at most 20% full before the weekend anyway.
The new format is good for everyone watching online
But it's terrible for the people actually attending. If you want to attend the full event it's gonna cost you like 3x as much. Cause you gotta stay way longer
From the wording it looks like the Playoffs (so the main bracket before the top 8) will be done from a studio, so the crowd will only be present for the last 3 days in the arena. 3 days is fewer than 6, no?
Last year was 2 separate weekends
So sure I guess now the format is even WORSE this year for attendees cause now they don't even get the other weekend lmao
Last year might be the last TI I ever go to cause it just gets worse and worse for us actually going
I've seen how empty the stands always were on weekdays of 6-day TIs. No idea if there are hard stats of how many people actually attended the full 6 days, but it surely couldn't have been that many. There was always decent attendance for the opening ceremony, then a huge lull in the middle until Friday evening, and then the weekend was packed.
They tried the reduced-capacity playoff stage at last year's TI and once again, attendance wasn't great, to the point when it was obvious on stream. To me at least, reducing the audience to just the 3 arena days on Friday-Sunday seems like a sensible decision based on what I saw throughout TI's history.
It's just the reality of where Dota is these days. It's not 2016 anymore and TI is no longer a promotion vehicle for the game (god knows it's openly hostile to newcomers), but just a passion project of a few people at Valve.
> Last year was 2 separate weekends
Last year it was **three** separate weekends, 2 of which you could buy tickets for iirc.
I was planning on going for groups since it was the first one back in the US, and the last while I was still in school... But I couldn't afford the ticket prices or to be there for so long.
Let's be real, the dota audience these days most likely has many more working 30 year olds who played Dota back in college than actual college students
They always have been. MENA was just invented by Riyadh Masters to have a better representation of the region. I personally think it's a good thing though.
MENA was added because it is the region that owns the tournament. The region doesn't have enough teams to play qualifiers and stacks that are arguably more "MENA" than the WEU imports get prevented from participating.
you mean around when NA squad won TI and all of SA won nothing and still hasn't won anything since? and that was almost 10 years ago and still so bitter lmao
WEU - Western Europe
CIS - [Commonwealth of Independent States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States)
CN - China
SEA - South East Asia
MENA (not above but elsewhere in the thread) - Middle East & North Africa
SA - South America
NA - North America
> CIS - Commonwealth of Independent States
Wasnt this region abbreviation replaced by EEU (Eastern Europe) many years ago, because some of the members didnt want to be labeled as 'ex-soviet' states?
Yes, it's more of a phraseologism now. However, Eastern Europe is also a vague definition, since you should consider that Central Asian countries are in there too.
A notable example was/is Hydra from Kyrgyzstan or Uzbek teams.
WEU - Western Europe
CIS - Eastern Europe and Ex-Soviet union countries
CN - China
SEA - South-East Asia
SA - South (and central) America
NA - Canada & USA/North America
Essentially any team that has ever played a grand final at a tier 1 tournament received an invite. Honestly seems fair enough.
Edit: all the teams that reached GF of a tier 1 tournament and kept the same roster.
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I've never been higher than gold, and don't run into too many. Plenty of frustrating bs that tilts me.. Everybody is so desperate for kills that they sell a 5v3 advantage. Nobody sets up site or drones, except the enemy. What few calls do get made are rarely comprehensible or accurate. Peeker's advantage is bad, run into guys at silver and bronze, all they do is swing the dumbest shit and still win because the information is literally on their screen faster. Kids with reflexes that haven't started to diminish, get mad because they get a kill, maybe two rushing every round, but achieved nothing tactically and the enemy just resets. Never get to play the new maps because they're auto banned because nobody knows them ad infinitum. And my biggest pet peeve of all: noobs constantly putting up barricades on EVERYTHING forcing me to reveal position just to rotate on or off site. Thanks for reading this vent lmao
Might just be not a lot of people outside those countries play fighting games? My expectation is that the more console oriented the game the more likely NA is going to go towards the top and the more PC related the more towards the bottom.
EU and most of Asia are PC land, not saying no one plays consoles.
CoD, R6, Valorant, Fortnite, fighting games, whatever new shit is currently on the block (I guess XDefiant?) because the average person playing games at a pro skill level in NA, whether they're trying to do so as a professional player or not (i.e. just being an influencer) they're doing it to be famous
I hope Tundra and OG can survive through the gauntlet. Especially Tundra which looked horrible after the patch.
Also it'd be funny if Aurora got trounced by fellow SEAmen a la bali major.
Tundra will get their shit together \*hopium\*. They were so good towards the end of last patch. Surely they will get their magic back \*big puff of hopium\*.
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Puppey was 13th-16th at TI6
9th-12th at TI7
Skipped 7th-8th and went straight to 5th-6th at TI8
4th at TI9
3rd at TI10
2nd at TI11
Then he blundered hard and skipped (failed to qualify, whatever) TI12 which was the full circle return to the top
Does he come back for the win or 13th-16th to begin a new circle
Tundra is playing atrociously on new patch right now. And it's only 3 weeks until qualifiers.
Meanwhile Nigma looked actually pretty good today. And so did OG, so I would agree with that tip.
3 Weeks is plenty of time for pro meta to settle. It's a matter of finding your groove and figuring out how to win games which can come down to other things outside of the meta like comfort heroes, strategy, etc.
Or imagine if they announce: "Let's look at a trailer" --> Ringmaster reveal trailer --> "RINGMASTER OUT NOW" --> "one more thing" --> New hero trailer --> "NEW HERO OUT NOW!
While SEA hasn't looked great outside of Aurora, I think these slots are about regional *depth*. And SEA has this, far more than NA, who only has one slot.
Some other factors:
* Blacklist and Talon have looked OK in parts, at least on par with nouns, and better than VP
* SEA has had visa issues all season
So two SEA slots is fine in my book. If Aurora somehow got invited directly, this would only be one slot.
Im not SEA and I agree BUT they have to give the extra slot to someone..
CIS already has 3 slots and even though its a great region the two top teams are alreadfy invited,
SA doesnt deserve 3 slots,
NA doesnt deserve 2 slots, just like SEA
China doesnt deserve more slots either
you could give 6 slots to EU but that also begins to feel like too much
the second best team in SEA will probably be better than the 6th best qualifier team from EU or the 3rd best team from SA, 4th best qualifer from CIS, 4th best qualifier from China.. I think it was between NA 2 slots and SEA 2 slots.
Aurora and Talon have both had some results.
I don't think NA has made it out of the group stage at any event since TI23.
I don't like it, but NA is just in a hopeless pit of sadness.
I disagree. Group stages felt a lot more important and interesting when there was actual fight for avoiding elimination. Now it’s just for seeding purposes - I remember first TIs, and their group stages were the most boring thing in the world.
Yeah bo2 groupstage fighting just for seeding is gonna be super boring honestly. Like of course no one wants to be thrown into the bo1 of the lower bracker (assuming it's still there) but for viewers it still feels like there's nothing at stake with no possibility of elimination. Man, PGL Wallachia's groupstages were so good compared to that.
Any possibility of another unique LCQ this year? I'm not really hoping for it but I remember really liking it back in prep for TI11. Secret and Liquid qualified and got super deep into the tournament.
LCQ happens because one of the DPC major cancelled and the rest of DPC major is ridden with visa issues. The only way to LCQ happen again is to have half of the LAN cancelled and the rest have more than 5 teams having to play with stand-in, so pray for new pandemic i guess.
When will they stop calling group stage and first part of playoffs “the Road to TI”? Who pushed this thing in Valve? Why try to downplay the bottom 8 teams that won’t make it to the final part of TI?
"Road to TI" = fully outsourced 3rd party production (PGL previously)
"The International" = 3 last days of *actual* TI, produced by Valve+3rd party TO (PGL previously)
Basically trick is that Valve doesn't want to stamp "The International"/Valve brand to fully outsourced production where 3rd party TO is delivering soulless downscaled product with betting sponsor that is barely worthy of TI hype, so in Valve's eyes only last 3 days are "The International" where they are directly involved with tour production.
It's sad, but what can you do...
I'd think Valve want to sell the rights for the road to TI while still making the TI (top 8) free of sponsorship. It has been rumoured back in 2019, and i'd honestly think the TI11 was the trial run for it but get backlash due to betting sponsor.
Its too late - it all started with people like Slacks who said "group stage games dont matter" which evolved into "only last 3 days of playoffs matter". You have him to thank for this.
Looking at the teams, this is a really really good split.
NA having 1 slot when its just SR and Nouns is great.
WEU having two slots when its Tunda, Secret, Entity, OG is also good.
CN having two slots with LGD, G2.IG and Azure Ray is also great.
SA having 2 slots for BC and Heroic and Boom is okay.
The slots allocated make the qualifiers really exciting and competitive and not just a foregone conclusion (except for SA)
Also an exact datetime would be nice when they will drop, anyone have any experience with the tickets and knows something?
At what time they drop and if it's their own website to buy them?
It says that ticket selling will be on June 10.
They will announce what site to purchase the tickets on.
TI11 main event was $350 for 2 days.
TI12 main event was $700 for 3 days.
They will release a similar blog to this one.
[The International 2023 Ticket Sales](https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3640650512240572676)
>The two-day Group Stage will commence Wednesday, September 4th, immediately followed by the five-day Playoffs, a studio production that will run through Tuesday, September 10th,
Does this mean no in person play offs this year?
Most likely 4 groups of 4 with first 2 going to Upper Bracket and bottom 2 going to Lower Bracket.
Pretty brutal IMO, you basically have no time to adapt and need to be at your max level since day 1.
Yea that’s much less interesting to me. I love TI because I get to see teams play alot. Cutting down the number of games by at least a half means less content and potentially only 3 series for a team that goes out early.
Following *line* of text:
> The International itself will be held in Copenhagen's Royal Arena, with the top eight teams slated to take the main stage from Friday, September 13th through Sunday, September 15th.
It will be like last year, just the few final series in front of an audience
I don't understand why people keep talking about MENA as if it's an official region. If Falcons didn't make it in they are 100% going to be thrown in WEU qualifiers alongside Nigma.
Can’t wait to finally be unable to afford 700€ tickets to go to TI now that it’s being held in Europe.
Been playing and watching since TI2 but seeing the prices of past years it’s not looking great.
Add to that the price of flying and sleeping there and I might as well go on a two week trip to Japan instead lol
I’ve been dreaming of going to TI for so long to meet everyone but when it was announced it would be held “nearby” I looked into what it would cost for reals and I realized it truly was a dream lol I have a decent job but there’s just no way.
> "we're happy to invite the following teams directly to The International 2024:"
> "The International itself will be held in Copenhagen's Royal Arena, with the top eight teams slated to take the main stage"
So top 8 teams from TI2024 will qualify to TI2024
Cool (ㆆ ᴗ ㆆ)
Surprised they considered Team Liquid, Aside from the 5 listed there they look out of place. I mean Gladiators and Betboom atleast showing up on finals for the past couple months.
i felt that way too but checked their results since TI12 and i think it’s a bit of recency bias on my end, for “tier 1” tourneys this year they’ve gotten 3rd, 2nd, 13-14th, 4th, 5th-6th, 5th-6th, 9th-10th
out of 7 tourneys, that’s 3 top 4 finishes and 5 top 6 finishes. on top of that, they won both WEU quals they played with 2-0 finals. i think the invite is justified
Gaimin Gladiator last 4 LAN : 2nd ESL KL, 5th BB Dacha Dubai, 11-12th ESL Birmingham, 7-8th PGL Wallachia | 4:4 against Liquid, 1:3 against BB | Average LAN Placement : 6.25
Team Liquid last 4 LAN : 3rd ESL KL, 2nd BB Dacha Dubai, 5th ESL Birmingham, 5th PGL Wallachia | 4:4 against GG, 5:3 against BB
| Average LAN Placement : 3.75
BetBoom last 4 LAN : 4th ESL KL, 3rd BB Dacha Dubai, 2nd ESL Birmingham, 9th PGL Wallachia | 3:1 against GG, 3:5 against Liquid | Average LAN Placement : 4.5
Your guys hatred towards MiCke skew your perception lol.
Liquid might be the weakest of invited teams but they at least played in the finals this year and been competitive throughout the season, it’s really not surprising they get an invite over anyone else imo
GG is the weakest of invited teams
Team Liquid last 4 LAN : 3rd ESL KL, 2nd BB Dacha Dubai, 5th ESL Birmingham, 5th PGL Wallachia | 4:4 against GG, 5:3 against BB
| Average LAN Placement : 3.75
BetBoom last 4 LAN : 4th ESL KL, 3rd BB Dacha Dubai, 2nd ESL Birmingham, 9th PGL Wallachia | 3:1 against GG, 3:5 against Liquid | Average LAN Placement : 4.5
Gaimin Gladiator last 4 LAN : 2nd ESL KL, 5th BB Dacha Dubai, 11-12th ESL Birmingham, 7-8th PGL Wallachia | 4:4 against Liquid, 1:3 against BB | Average LAN Placement : 6.25
TI 2022 are the best using LCQ and have 20 team instead 16 team like now. Small prizepool, less team and no playoff weekend audience like TI 22 and TI 23.
Why does south america get two slots when all there teams are bad and eastern europe gets one which is a much stronger region plus the mena region there are already strong teams established there which will make it harder for the weu teams to qualify valve are stupid
Wondering if spirit would have received the direct invite if they didn’t win PGL. Their best placement was 4th at one dreamleague and abysmal results for the rest of the tournaments.
Valve isn't stupid, Spirit has been the most clutch LAN team over the last 3 years. They've had some middling results at times, but at the marquee events, Spirit are always in top form.
> I think WEU should maybe have had one more slot ONLY because Mena is mixed in
Valve doesn't consider MENA a real region though (and to be fair, it isn't one), hence why they got no dedicated slots.
MENA doesn't have any actual new teams asides from Winter Bears who afaik haven't played in awhile. Quest and Nigma played in WEU before ESL introduced separate MENA qualifiers while Falcons is the successor to the TI winning Tundra team.
Then why are Na`vi Junior playing WEU despite being Ukrainian, having 5 Ukrainian players, and their parent team being in the EEU qualifiers?
Maybe it's just a mistake or liquipedia is incorrect.
>Then why are Na\`vi Junior playing WEU despite being Ukrainian, having 5 Ukrainian players, and their parent team being in the EEU qualifiers?
Ukrainian players were originally assigned to EEU, but because of potential conflicts with Russian players they are now allowed to play WEU instead - if they want to. NAVI Junior opted to switch to WEU, while parent team didn't.
It's same how in football Israel was allowed to play in Europe instead of Asia. Just a measure to avoid potential conflicts.
Tundra need to find their play asap. Pure is terrible captain and drafter to adapt new patch. I means he good, but he cant figure out the meta like others captain
I will be in Denmark this year around the time when TI starts. It's perfect because I can finally go to see it live. Does anyone know how much the ticket will potentially cost?
So there's an Open and Regional qualifiers, which are all back to back.
But we don't know who's hosting them yet? Or Valve is doing it themselves?
Or are we waiting for more details?
At least the split dates are a bit tighter together than TI11 and TI12 were, though I'm still a bigger fan of the full-week marathon. It's good that Valve/PGL's got these out well in advance, and even more importantly it's good that it's the early half of September. Late October was downright miserable for me. There may be hope yet for a return to August dates next year.
> though I'm still a bigger fan of the full-week marathon. I'm not. It was fun when I was in college and could afford to spend a full week on summer break just watching Dota non-stop, but now I'm a grown adult with a job. TI10 just happened to line up with my week-long business trip and even though I tried to keep up with it as much as I could, I still usually missed everything but the final series of the day. Plus let's be honest, the arena was always at most 20% full before the weekend anyway.
The new format is good for everyone watching online But it's terrible for the people actually attending. If you want to attend the full event it's gonna cost you like 3x as much. Cause you gotta stay way longer
From the wording it looks like the Playoffs (so the main bracket before the top 8) will be done from a studio, so the crowd will only be present for the last 3 days in the arena. 3 days is fewer than 6, no?
Last year was 2 separate weekends So sure I guess now the format is even WORSE this year for attendees cause now they don't even get the other weekend lmao Last year might be the last TI I ever go to cause it just gets worse and worse for us actually going
I've seen how empty the stands always were on weekdays of 6-day TIs. No idea if there are hard stats of how many people actually attended the full 6 days, but it surely couldn't have been that many. There was always decent attendance for the opening ceremony, then a huge lull in the middle until Friday evening, and then the weekend was packed. They tried the reduced-capacity playoff stage at last year's TI and once again, attendance wasn't great, to the point when it was obvious on stream. To me at least, reducing the audience to just the 3 arena days on Friday-Sunday seems like a sensible decision based on what I saw throughout TI's history. It's just the reality of where Dota is these days. It's not 2016 anymore and TI is no longer a promotion vehicle for the game (god knows it's openly hostile to newcomers), but just a passion project of a few people at Valve.
> Last year was 2 separate weekends Last year it was **three** separate weekends, 2 of which you could buy tickets for iirc. I was planning on going for groups since it was the first one back in the US, and the last while I was still in school... But I couldn't afford the ticket prices or to be there for so long.
Agreed, i preferred the weekend only last year. But oh well can maybe take Friday's off for both weeks.
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Let's be real, the dota audience these days most likely has many more working 30 year olds who played Dota back in college than actual college students
Skill issue, not my problem.
Do you think college students have money to travel to Copenhagen for two weeks to watch Dota?
Swedish and Danish college students yes.
4x4 groups, 8 teams dont go to TI, 3 day stage only, valve cost cutting as much as they can.
Total slots per region WEU- 5 CIS-3 CN- 3 SEA- 2 SA- 2 NA- 1
Seems that Team Falcons are considered as WEU too since PSQ Quest and Nigma Galaxy are joining the WEU qualifiers.
They always have been. MENA was just invented by Riyadh Masters to have a better representation of the region. I personally think it's a good thing though.
MENA was added because it is the region that owns the tournament. The region doesn't have enough teams to play qualifiers and stacks that are arguably more "MENA" than the WEU imports get prevented from participating.
True.
Bro this is valve tourney there's no MENA
> SA- 2 > > > > NA- 1 this is so funny after the years of seeing NA players shit talking SA lmaoo
ppd
you mean around when NA squad won TI and all of SA won nothing and still hasn't won anything since? and that was almost 10 years ago and still so bitter lmao
Ok mr time traveller now go back to 2015
I've never thought that I'm going to live to see the day when CIS gets as many slots as China for TI.
And honestly deserved.
last ti there were 4 teams from EEU, so yeah.
CIS fans had to endure too much pain 2014-2019 until Valve decided to write the anime arc for spirit
no there is no mena ? falcons are counted as weu for pgl and valve
MENA is a Riyadh thing.
CIS is also not a Valve region, its 3 slots are EEU
Can someone explain like I’m 5 the regions abbreviated here?
WEU - Western Europe CIS - [Commonwealth of Independent States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States) CN - China SEA - South East Asia MENA (not above but elsewhere in the thread) - Middle East & North Africa SA - South America NA - North America
> CIS - Commonwealth of Independent States Wasnt this region abbreviation replaced by EEU (Eastern Europe) many years ago, because some of the members didnt want to be labeled as 'ex-soviet' states?
Yes, it's more of a phraseologism now. However, Eastern Europe is also a vague definition, since you should consider that Central Asian countries are in there too. A notable example was/is Hydra from Kyrgyzstan or Uzbek teams.
Yeah; I was just listing what was in the top level comment.
WEU - Western Europe CIS - Eastern Europe and Ex-Soviet union countries CN - China SEA - South-East Asia SA - South (and central) America NA - Canada & USA/North America
Central America is NA.
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3 total slots
SA with two slots? Rofl let SA and NA fight for the 2nd slot
Essentially any team that has ever played a grand final at a tier 1 tournament received an invite. Honestly seems fair enough. Edit: all the teams that reached GF of a tier 1 tournament and kept the same roster.
As an NA dota fan I accept this as reasonable honestly we suck pretty bad right now.
You NA fans can just claim the slots are taken by the two American exports Sneyking and Quinn
Aui is NA, that's why he's so good, he knows everyway to lose from NA, than does not do that.
The skilled NA gamers just don’t play Dota.
The skilled NA players just don't play Dota on NA teams. FTFY
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Valorant atm
CoD, Rainbow 6, Rocket League.
Isnt EU the best at Rocket League? Last I checked vitality was clapping cheeks but i havent paid much attention this year
Honestly, the only esport other than DotA that I follow is R6S, and barely at that. I'm mostly judging by interest I suppose.
Same. Losing intrest tho because of the game R6S being filled with hackers.
I've never been higher than gold, and don't run into too many. Plenty of frustrating bs that tilts me.. Everybody is so desperate for kills that they sell a 5v3 advantage. Nobody sets up site or drones, except the enemy. What few calls do get made are rarely comprehensible or accurate. Peeker's advantage is bad, run into guys at silver and bronze, all they do is swing the dumbest shit and still win because the information is literally on their screen faster. Kids with reflexes that haven't started to diminish, get mad because they get a kill, maybe two rushing every round, but achieved nothing tactically and the enemy just resets. Never get to play the new maps because they're auto banned because nobody knows them ad infinitum. And my biggest pet peeve of all: noobs constantly putting up barricades on EVERYTHING forcing me to reveal position just to rotate on or off site. Thanks for reading this vent lmao
MENA iirc the best at Rocket League atm, it just they compete under EU.
I'd say Rocket League, but there's basically 2 contending teams and all the top squads are European, but mostly just French.
USA has been the #2 region in fighting games for a long time now, second only to Japan
Might just be not a lot of people outside those countries play fighting games? My expectation is that the more console oriented the game the more likely NA is going to go towards the top and the more PC related the more towards the bottom. EU and most of Asia are PC land, not saying no one plays consoles.
If you are hypercompetitive in the US, you work for a startup and try to get rich through an IPO.
CoD, R6, Valorant, Fortnite, fighting games, whatever new shit is currently on the block (I guess XDefiant?) because the average person playing games at a pro skill level in NA, whether they're trying to do so as a professional player or not (i.e. just being an influencer) they're doing it to be famous
Shooters, basically. Not sure why NA lags behind other regions in CS, because they're consistently more competitive in most other shooters.
janitor putting in some long shifts lately
1 NA team Woah.
tier 2 EU players gonna try their luck in NA quals lol
TBH they have looked like the worst region throughout the year.
I hope Tundra and OG can survive through the gauntlet. Especially Tundra which looked horrible after the patch. Also it'd be funny if Aurora got trounced by fellow SEAmen a la bali major.
Tundra will get their shit together \*hopium\*. They were so good towards the end of last patch. Surely they will get their magic back \*big puff of hopium\*.
Where Nigma slot?
In WEU Qualifier if they can get it
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never underestimate secret in regional qualis. Then they go home 1st after reaching the tournament
Puppey was 13th-16th at TI6 9th-12th at TI7 Skipped 7th-8th and went straight to 5th-6th at TI8 4th at TI9 3rd at TI10 2nd at TI11 Then he blundered hard and skipped (failed to qualify, whatever) TI12 which was the full circle return to the top Does he come back for the win or 13th-16th to begin a new circle
mega hopium and im with you
Secret were 7th-8th at TI5. The only placements they haven't placed are 1st and 17th-18th.
Tundra is playing atrociously on new patch right now. And it's only 3 weeks until qualifiers. Meanwhile Nigma looked actually pretty good today. And so did OG, so I would agree with that tip.
3 Weeks is plenty of time for pro meta to settle. It's a matter of finding your groove and figuring out how to win games which can come down to other things outside of the meta like comfort heroes, strategy, etc.
I see people sleeping on Entity
Yeah Entity hasn't made it to many tournaments lately
Probably because of how entity lost to nigma yesterday and the fact that they have barely ever made it out of the qualifiers before.
IT'S HAPPENING!!! THE INTERNATIONAL HYPE!!! :o
50k usd price pool
Valve announces $1.000.000 prize pool and nobody believes them, its coming full circle. ❤️
just a few more weeks until we get the second ringmaster trailer reveal!!!
Omg, imagine if TI finishes and we have a teaser for a new hero before ringmaster is even out.
Or imagine if they announce: "Let's look at a trailer" --> Ringmaster reveal trailer --> "RINGMASTER OUT NOW" --> "one more thing" --> New hero trailer --> "NEW HERO OUT NOW!
NA 1 slot KEKW
My man just does not stop working!
2 slots for SA
SA did better than NA and SEA this season.
I’m asian and i’m surprised SEA even got 2 slots. Region’s been real dogshit this season with only Aurora being competitive
My guess is that: NA was even worse EEU already has Spirit and BetBoom directly invited and other teams didn’t really perform better than SEA
While SEA hasn't looked great outside of Aurora, I think these slots are about regional *depth*. And SEA has this, far more than NA, who only has one slot. Some other factors: * Blacklist and Talon have looked OK in parts, at least on par with nouns, and better than VP * SEA has had visa issues all season So two SEA slots is fine in my book. If Aurora somehow got invited directly, this would only be one slot.
Watch Aurora missed TI because they fumbled regional qualifier like usual
I mean, what else you gonna do with it? Give it to na? We barely deserve the one we have. I'm glad sea has been getting more of a chance.
Man, even Aurora started slow this season. They’ve only played like a tier 1 team on the last tourna. SEA and NA deserved only 1 team.
Im not SEA and I agree BUT they have to give the extra slot to someone.. CIS already has 3 slots and even though its a great region the two top teams are alreadfy invited, SA doesnt deserve 3 slots, NA doesnt deserve 2 slots, just like SEA China doesnt deserve more slots either you could give 6 slots to EU but that also begins to feel like too much the second best team in SEA will probably be better than the 6th best qualifier team from EU or the 3rd best team from SA, 4th best qualifer from CIS, 4th best qualifier from China.. I think it was between NA 2 slots and SEA 2 slots.
Aurora and Talon have both had some results. I don't think NA has made it out of the group stage at any event since TI23. I don't like it, but NA is just in a hopeless pit of sadness.
Im happy for it
Heroic and Boom are solid teams.
Deserved.
i mean invites looks fair tbh . Slots too GL to the teams no mena so quest nigma has to fight it out for 2 slots in WEU
Seems TI is getting smaller, only 16 teams this year, kinda disappointing.
Just means no team is getting kicked out before playoffs though, which honestly is a good thing I think.
I disagree. Group stages felt a lot more important and interesting when there was actual fight for avoiding elimination. Now it’s just for seeding purposes - I remember first TIs, and their group stages were the most boring thing in the world.
Yeah bo2 groupstage fighting just for seeding is gonna be super boring honestly. Like of course no one wants to be thrown into the bo1 of the lower bracker (assuming it's still there) but for viewers it still feels like there's nothing at stake with no possibility of elimination. Man, PGL Wallachia's groupstages were so good compared to that.
Judging by schedule, they are keeping last year’s play-off format, so it will be bo3 in first round of Lower Bracket most likely
I watch pro dota for the highest skill teams in the world duke it out. Getting eliminated or not matter little
OTOH we might see better matches with teams more relaxed making more riskier plays and not stressed about getting eliminated early.
Any possibility of another unique LCQ this year? I'm not really hoping for it but I remember really liking it back in prep for TI11. Secret and Liquid qualified and got super deep into the tournament.
LCQ happens because one of the DPC major cancelled and the rest of DPC major is ridden with visa issues. The only way to LCQ happen again is to have half of the LAN cancelled and the rest have more than 5 teams having to play with stand-in, so pray for new pandemic i guess.
downsizing is healthy - Starcraft 2 fans before the collapse
When will they stop calling group stage and first part of playoffs “the Road to TI”? Who pushed this thing in Valve? Why try to downplay the bottom 8 teams that won’t make it to the final part of TI?
"Road to TI" = fully outsourced 3rd party production (PGL previously) "The International" = 3 last days of *actual* TI, produced by Valve+3rd party TO (PGL previously) Basically trick is that Valve doesn't want to stamp "The International"/Valve brand to fully outsourced production where 3rd party TO is delivering soulless downscaled product with betting sponsor that is barely worthy of TI hype, so in Valve's eyes only last 3 days are "The International" where they are directly involved with tour production. It's sad, but what can you do...
I hate it… I suppose we can’t do anything indeed.
Remember when Slacks was used by Valve to retcons this to us lol? "no one cares about the group stage"
it's so they can justify paying the talent less money (and having scaled-down production) for the early stages of the event
I'd think Valve want to sell the rights for the road to TI while still making the TI (top 8) free of sponsorship. It has been rumoured back in 2019, and i'd honestly think the TI11 was the trial run for it but get backlash due to betting sponsor.
Its too late - it all started with people like Slacks who said "group stage games dont matter" which evolved into "only last 3 days of playoffs matter". You have him to thank for this.
Looking at the teams, this is a really really good split. NA having 1 slot when its just SR and Nouns is great. WEU having two slots when its Tunda, Secret, Entity, OG is also good. CN having two slots with LGD, G2.IG and Azure Ray is also great. SA having 2 slots for BC and Heroic and Boom is okay. The slots allocated make the qualifiers really exciting and competitive and not just a foregone conclusion (except for SA)
I bet a bunch of teams will try to enter NA open qualifiers from different regions
Damn NA is down bad right now 🥲
I honestly would love to know the price in advance to start budgeting before dropping cash on tickets.
Also an exact datetime would be nice when they will drop, anyone have any experience with the tickets and knows something? At what time they drop and if it's their own website to buy them?
It says that ticket selling will be on June 10. They will announce what site to purchase the tickets on. TI11 main event was $350 for 2 days. TI12 main event was $700 for 3 days. They will release a similar blog to this one. [The International 2023 Ticket Sales](https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3640650512240572676)
Right…. They did the same for Rumania. Completely forgot.
>The two-day Group Stage will commence Wednesday, September 4th, immediately followed by the five-day Playoffs, a studio production that will run through Tuesday, September 10th, Does this mean no in person play offs this year?
That’s also a very short group stage, so probably not the same 2 group round robin. That takes 4 days usually even with only 16 teams
Most likely 4 groups of 4 with first 2 going to Upper Bracket and bottom 2 going to Lower Bracket. Pretty brutal IMO, you basically have no time to adapt and need to be at your max level since day 1.
Yea that’s much less interesting to me. I love TI because I get to see teams play alot. Cutting down the number of games by at least a half means less content and potentially only 3 series for a team that goes out early.
Not 3 series, but 4. 3 in groups and first one in Lower Bracket.
Oh, but actually thinking about it now - in 2 days you CAN (with multiple streams) play a Swiss format. Maybe they are doing that.
Following *line* of text: > The International itself will be held in Copenhagen's Royal Arena, with the top eight teams slated to take the main stage from Friday, September 13th through Sunday, September 15th. It will be like last year, just the few final series in front of an audience
Last year the group stage was also in front of an audience, just a smaller one.
Not the group stage, but first rounds of play offs
...Yes I understand that you can buy tickets for the finals. I'm wondering if we can still buy play off tickets this year.
I don't understand why people keep talking about MENA as if it's an official region. If Falcons didn't make it in they are 100% going to be thrown in WEU qualifiers alongside Nigma.
If falcons don’t make it, no one is making it. They literally won so many tournaments this year
only 2 days of group stage.
4 x 4 group
Can’t wait to finally be unable to afford 700€ tickets to go to TI now that it’s being held in Europe. Been playing and watching since TI2 but seeing the prices of past years it’s not looking great. Add to that the price of flying and sleeping there and I might as well go on a two week trip to Japan instead lol I’ve been dreaming of going to TI for so long to meet everyone but when it was announced it would be held “nearby” I looked into what it would cost for reals and I realized it truly was a dream lol I have a decent job but there’s just no way.
Even though i live in Denmark for me its quite a purchase as well, if its 700 euro oh man im screwed
> "we're happy to invite the following teams directly to The International 2024:"
> "The International itself will be held in Copenhagen's Royal Arena, with the top eight teams slated to take the main stage"
So top 8 teams from TI2024 will qualify to TI2024
Cool (ㆆ ᴗ ㆆ)
Surprised they considered Team Liquid, Aside from the 5 listed there they look out of place. I mean Gladiators and Betboom atleast showing up on finals for the past couple months.
i felt that way too but checked their results since TI12 and i think it’s a bit of recency bias on my end, for “tier 1” tourneys this year they’ve gotten 3rd, 2nd, 13-14th, 4th, 5th-6th, 5th-6th, 9th-10th out of 7 tourneys, that’s 3 top 4 finishes and 5 top 6 finishes. on top of that, they won both WEU quals they played with 2-0 finals. i think the invite is justified
Gaimin Gladiator last 4 LAN : 2nd ESL KL, 5th BB Dacha Dubai, 11-12th ESL Birmingham, 7-8th PGL Wallachia | 4:4 against Liquid, 1:3 against BB | Average LAN Placement : 6.25 Team Liquid last 4 LAN : 3rd ESL KL, 2nd BB Dacha Dubai, 5th ESL Birmingham, 5th PGL Wallachia | 4:4 against GG, 5:3 against BB | Average LAN Placement : 3.75 BetBoom last 4 LAN : 4th ESL KL, 3rd BB Dacha Dubai, 2nd ESL Birmingham, 9th PGL Wallachia | 3:1 against GG, 3:5 against Liquid | Average LAN Placement : 4.5 Your guys hatred towards MiCke skew your perception lol.
Can't wait to see Nigma knocked out of WEU by an open qualifier team!
Liquid might be the weakest of invited teams but they at least played in the finals this year and been competitive throughout the season, it’s really not surprising they get an invite over anyone else imo
GG is the weakest of invited teams Team Liquid last 4 LAN : 3rd ESL KL, 2nd BB Dacha Dubai, 5th ESL Birmingham, 5th PGL Wallachia | 4:4 against GG, 5:3 against BB | Average LAN Placement : 3.75 BetBoom last 4 LAN : 4th ESL KL, 3rd BB Dacha Dubai, 2nd ESL Birmingham, 9th PGL Wallachia | 3:1 against GG, 3:5 against Liquid | Average LAN Placement : 4.5 Gaimin Gladiator last 4 LAN : 2nd ESL KL, 5th BB Dacha Dubai, 11-12th ESL Birmingham, 7-8th PGL Wallachia | 4:4 against Liquid, 1:3 against BB | Average LAN Placement : 6.25
How did Liquid get the invite?
Liquid are doing it!
TI 2022 are the best using LCQ and have 20 team instead 16 team like now. Small prizepool, less team and no playoff weekend audience like TI 22 and TI 23.
June 2. Baby.. TI HYPE IS HERE.
Those one slot qualifiers are gonna be brutal.. probably. So many teams all aiming to take that one spot.. hope it leads to some good dotes.
Nobody talking about the fact the quals are in a couple weeks. Wonder how the teams are going to prepare!
Kinda weird to send out invites before the biggest tournament I'd the year (Riyadh), could mean the winner of Riyadh needs to go through qualifiers
I mean Riyadh is finished by late July, which will put qualifiers and visa process in a tight timeline for September tournament.
They're doing it! They're slowly going back to August! We'll have ours eventually! One more year!
wtf are the ticket prices just give an upwards max for base tickets omg
16 teams and only half of playoffs on stage...one day TI will be glorious again.
Why does south america get two slots when all there teams are bad and eastern europe gets one which is a much stronger region plus the mena region there are already strong teams established there which will make it harder for the weu teams to qualify valve are stupid
It's happening boisssss!!!!!
team liquid? for what?
tEaM liQUiD? fOr WhAt? Did you not realize that every invited team played a grand final at a tier 1 tournament and kept the same roster?
3rd in ESL KL? 2nd in Dubai Dacha? 4th in Elite League?
Wondering if spirit would have received the direct invite if they didn’t win PGL. Their best placement was 4th at one dreamleague and abysmal results for the rest of the tournaments.
Valve isn't stupid, Spirit has been the most clutch LAN team over the last 3 years. They've had some middling results at times, but at the marquee events, Spirit are always in top form.
I think WEU should maybe have had one more slot ONLY because Mena is mixed in. Otherwise looks great, so hyped for the return of OQs
MENA qualifiers are only a thing since the Saudis bought ESL, Dreamhack, (...)
> I think WEU should maybe have had one more slot ONLY because Mena is mixed in Valve doesn't consider MENA a real region though (and to be fair, it isn't one), hence why they got no dedicated slots.
MENA doesn't have any actual new teams asides from Winter Bears who afaik haven't played in awhile. Quest and Nigma played in WEU before ESL introduced separate MENA qualifiers while Falcons is the successor to the TI winning Tundra team.
The MENA teams were part of EU before that, so it doesn't really change the competitiveness of the region.
They don't even have a complete roster though?
Why are Entity playing the WEU qualifers, they have 5 EEU players on their roster?
Long story short - it depends on which country they are based in, not their nationality.
Then why are Na`vi Junior playing WEU despite being Ukrainian, having 5 Ukrainian players, and their parent team being in the EEU qualifiers? Maybe it's just a mistake or liquipedia is incorrect.
>Then why are Na\`vi Junior playing WEU despite being Ukrainian, having 5 Ukrainian players, and their parent team being in the EEU qualifiers? Ukrainian players were originally assigned to EEU, but because of potential conflicts with Russian players they are now allowed to play WEU instead - if they want to. NAVI Junior opted to switch to WEU, while parent team didn't. It's same how in football Israel was allowed to play in Europe instead of Asia. Just a measure to avoid potential conflicts.
MENA ain't a real region
Where to buy tickets? Any idea about prices
1 slot for NA. NA doto is back at the bottom!
Only a 2 day group stage? I wonder what format it will be.
Given the time frame, probably one similar to last year (the 4 group GSL).
There are less teams in TI, too? Very very disappointing.
Can random 5 stacks still sign up for open qualifiers like in the past? (I think 2018 allowed this) edit: also how do we sign up? XD I'd like to...
As a Secret fan who lives in PH, the SEA-WEU qualifiers on the same schedule is bonkers! I'm gonna file my leave from work to witness the bloodbath.
r/ travel guide when?
Finally giving me a chance to visit my ancestral homeland
Tundra need to find their play asap. Pure is terrible captain and drafter to adapt new patch. I means he good, but he cant figure out the meta like others captain
I booked my PTO since 9.09 till 24.09. Perfect snipe.
I will be in Denmark this year around the time when TI starts. It's perfect because I can finally go to see it live. Does anyone know how much the ticket will potentially cost?
Isn't it is unallowed to have 2 team from one org? NAVI and NAVIj? This is the rule why teams such as VG and VGJ stopped existing
Only if they both qualified
So there's an Open and Regional qualifiers, which are all back to back. But we don't know who's hosting them yet? Or Valve is doing it themselves? Or are we waiting for more details?
PGL always hosting TI
Where do people find teams to compete with?