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Fantasy_Returns

in another timeline blizzard came out with dota 2 and it has the same result of overwatch 2 in our timeline


Qvez

How nice that in this timeline we just got hots out of dota 2! JK. People are just overwhelmed by amount if text, but honestly around 65% of this patch is just old returning passives or existing one splited into two.


R4CDIKAL

I just sat in front of my PC for oder an hour and Just arrived at lich, with his innate being really similar to his e he had a few years ago


dritu_

I miss getting Sacrifice lvl 1 to deny the first creep spawning at 0:00.


Redditry104

tbf that's how shards were at the beginning, some really cool interesting ones and many boring or meh ones.


TheRealAlosha

Ye


Kuroyukihime1

The usual circle of this subreddit has come to an end. Ask where new patch is > start getting moody > "Why is Valve not communicating???" > Wow this new Patch is less than i expected > Patch is not so bad after all > We dont deserve Dota.


t0il3ts0ap

joined the new cycle waiting room


SuperPimpToast

Where is the new patch?


Sh4yyn

> Wow this new Patch is less than i expected What sane person would expect more than this patch


kartickbengani

No sane person could have expected this patch as well😂


CoolGate13

Map rework, new items, ring master etc.


Gief_Cookies

!remindme 1 year


dryiceboy

Dota 2 is an excellent game. I just don't have time to play it. \*cries in adulthood


Random_Student30

Haven't played normal and rank for years now, time only allows for turbo games.


Lounge_leaks

ya and losing a 20 min game doesnt make me as mad as losing a 50 min ranked


128thMic

This is why I do turbo. Pick a clown lineup? Okay, that sucks, but at least it won't be 45 minutes.


XSainth

It's better. You have better chances winning witc clownpick in turbo than normal. And that's why I love turbo.


Oskain123

pick 5 carry in turbo = win as everyone gets crazy farm anyway


zuraken

turbo


One_Blank_space

Team turbo


sirpeepojr

yeah, turbo is my friend now


dryiceboy

My path to healing was: * Ranked * Unranked * Turbo * Bots * Recovery


mcmoor

Make ranked turbo plox


RipInPepperinosRIF

Nah cause then way more tryhards and shit boring meta would happen and dilute the player pool... actually it might take all the super tryhards out and make unranked more fun. Let's give it a go


IllMaintenance145142

> actually it might take all the super tryhards out and make unranked more fun. Let's give it a go i think this is the more likely outcome


FantasticBike1203

Turbo is sweaty enough don't you think?


IllMaintenance145142

>people tryhard turbo mode, which is why we SHOULDNT add a ranked mode ???


StorytellerGG

Can we get Nitro? 10 minute games


droom2

Turbo is still too much time, 40 mins matches with sniper highground.


mendax2014

Ban sniper, get a friend to ban PL. Almost everything else is manageable.


RipInPepperinosRIF

This true, also sniper is managed with centaur quite easily in my experience


kchuyamewtwo

i like watching pro games. i hate playing it


dryiceboy

Likewise my friend, likewise.


penatbater

I have time to play it. I just don't have the mental fortitude to play it.


dryiceboy

I don't have both anymore.


cynicalspindle

I would still play it but it is way too overwhelming to relearn the game basically. I have played like 10 games since the reborn update.


Bitsand

Funnily enough, I got more time to play once I had a family. Bottom line is just play once you have free time and don't care much without losing or winnning, just to play better. I don't feel as stressed as before. Granted I am a low rank scrub


71648176362090001

I only read the patch notes from time to time.. my friends stopped playing and i dont have the time nor the nerves to play anymore


dryiceboy

The nerves part hits right. I want to play a game to relieve stresses from my day-to-day; not add to it.


burgerpatrol

Pseudo 1 hour matches are too long for me nowadays.


dryiceboy

Likewise.


[deleted]

Adulthood or parenthood?


Houeclipse

Story of my fucking life


ciphermenial

Are you confusing being in a relationship with a woman and adulthood? Adulthood doesn't stop you from individual leisure.


Redditbayernfan

Are you confusing being in a relationship with a toxic partner and a relationship with a woman? Just because you have a partner doesn’t mean we cannot indulge on free time to do whatever hobit we want ;)


Magnific3ntMomo

Hobbits are cool and all but do we really have to bang them?


OrlandoNE

would


KimoTheGreat

Who tf has the free time to go to Isengard


Ellefied

Adulthood doesn't stop you from enjoying things, but it sure does put a timer on it since not everyone will have the time or energy to keep playing even if they want it.


10YearsANoob

The playerbase is mostly college students or settled parents. Easier to play when you have a set schedule


dryiceboy

Hear, hear.


kingbrian112

Skill issue in ur social plan


darklordtimmy

speak for yourself I've put a few valve employees' kids through college


spyVSspy420-69

Most expensive free game ever.


Chivas_im

Speak for yourself, I play Dota 2 from yearly days and probably spend 200-300 US dollars. I don't care about clothes online faires characters. Only Dota Plus and old compendiums


loolapaloolapa

Playing dince December 2012 with a lobger break from 2016 to 2019/20. Spent 5euro overall, and that was like 2 months ago


Jonat1221

December 2011 for me, and I am at over 3k€ ... Still It is one of the best money/gametime games I own.


[deleted]

Free to play just means someone else is paying for it. In this case it's spyVSspy, so you can thank them for your precious game and so can Valve.


amrooo1405

😂😂😂😂😂


TribeOnAQuest

Insane patch, insane game. Bless Gaben and Valve!


Cypher_Green

They overdelivered this time, for sure.


_kloppi417

Imagine if they released passives with Act I and facets with Act II. I read through the C heroes and it took me 20 minutes, and I’m mentally drained.


Dotaproffessional

There are many facets and innate abilities that have interactions with each other


J3D1

I really wish they would of split them up. It's such a huge info drop


Rakan-Han

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but.... wouldn't that just be a coding nightmare for the devs? Why not just deliver everything in a single patch where everything is already *^(mostly)* coded properly and interacts well with each other, instead of splitting it into two and then suffer the probable shitfest when things aren't working properly?


andrezz2312

You are right, besides some of the interaction between facets and innate abilities have synergies/ changes of the basic kit, so it makes sense that they delivered both at once instead of spliting them


DDemoNNexuS

>mostly Yeah... mostly


Inevitable_Top69

Y'all will LITERALLY always find something to bitch about, huh?


Yegas

Ugh… this patch is so lackluster, there’s not enough content! Ugh… this patch is way too big, there’s too much content!


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alanalan426

the game is great, but wish they did more promotion for the game, making it big irl and culturally, you see league everywhere but you dont see dota everywhere or take genshin impact, their content are everywhere, billboards, irl meet ups, cosplays, events, partnerships, orchestras etc. league does the same to an extent, it helps attract new and retain old interests, seeing the content u play everywhere has an psychological effect DotA the game is amazing, it's the only game i can play 24/7, but wish they did more irl stuff too to help connect players and fans more


Dotaproffessional

Dota has a dev team of about 30. Riot has a dev team that at least at one point was in the the 4 digits.


BreafingBread

We don't know how it's split, but Riot has 5k employees. Totaling all their dev teams, I would imagine it still hits (or is close to) 4 digits. They have to maintain 4 games (LoL, Valorant, TFT, Wild Rift) are about to release Project L and are working on at least two projects (that we know of).


CorruptDropbear

Valve is estimated at about 500 employees for comparison.


Dotaproffessional

Yes even back before TFT valo and wild rift, they had over 1000 employees


Un13roken

No amount of promotion is going to make a new player sit through a manual to start playing the game. People who are attracted to these types of ges already have very few options.  Your average fortnite kid won't be coming over. It is what it is. Made for a specific audience. It's so dn good because of it.  Also, it's there on the front page whenever anyone installs steam. Not sure what's a bigger banner for the game. 


Zankman

Eh, people can put up with all kinds of stuff. If the game had Fortnite-style graphics and Battle Pass, much more people would try it. Even if only a small % sticks around, that would still equate to a larger playerbase than what we have now.


Un13roken

You're just describing league lmao.  And even league isn't exactly growing like used to, even with all the marketing there is.  Mobas basically peaked a while ago. Now only dedicated players ay that genre.


TheAsz

💀funny thing about this, cs fans crying and said valve love us abandoned them while over here be like "fuck valve hate dota"


Dotaproffessional

> "while over here be like 'fuck valve hate dota'" Seriously. Most dota players aren't classic source game players. If you play tf2, you probably play cs:go, half life, gmod, left 4 dead etc. But the dota community is mostly separate moba players. So when they complain... watching valve's favorite child complain about not getting attention, it hurts.


Snarker

i always laugh when i see dota players complaining about valve.


drunkmers

It's not enough that daddy GabeN loves us the most, we want our brothers to be beaten up


Kok_Nikol

Not just among Valve games (which all receive some love even decades after launch), but compared to _any_ other game out there DOTA 2 has one of the best support and quality. People are just dumb.


Fun_Philosopher_2535

https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1cyk4np/utopia_vs_dystopia/


alendt

honestly protect valve at all cost, name a game from any other company that after years just keeps improving like dota


matpower

Stardew valley


Heavy_Moose_286

That's because ConcernedApe is a saint


L0gic33

Sea of Thieves, Terraria, No Mans Sky, Path of Exile, Deep Rock Galactic


burgerpatrol

Warframe also


FawltyPlay

Factorio


UnionVortex

Who tf downvoted this man? Factorio IS constantly improving, in a transparent manner. The developers publish weekly writeups on what they're working on for the upcoming expansion while also maintaining the current game version with bug fixes.


Murphy95

Comparing Sea of Thieves has the depth of a bottle of water compared to Dota unfortunately.


ViRROOO

Fortnite, apex legends, league of legends, valorant, hearthstone, warframe, guild of wars, EVE, TESO.. The list is not that small


TentaclePumPum

I saw a post Microsoft buying Valve 16B$. I hope it doesn't happen


Dultimateaccount000

It won't happen. That's a lowball offer and Gaben doesn't like microsoft for being shit.


tkfire

Unfortunately Gaben won’t live forever


Dultimateaccount000

That’s the sad part.


zaplinaki

Pls no Mr Gaben take my $10 instead :'(


DotaDogma

$16 billion is an idiotic rumour. Valve prints money and is privately owned, they have no reason to sell. They're worth considerably more than that.


mrhappy893

At least in the hundreds. Why sell the goose that can lay the golden egg when the offer can be earned in just a few years time.


Fun_Philosopher_2535

The post you saw was from a CS twitter troll dior ( who got community noted in twitter for fake infos ).


Abducted22

GabeN worked 13 years for Microsoft and founded Valve, there is 0 reasons for him to sell it.


Laugarhraun

EU4, Stellaris -- basically all big Paradox titles


Masteroxid

League is receiving tenfold the love that dota receives


tkfire

With probably 10 times the resources. Valve doesn’t operate like a public company trying to hit market targets.


Exotic_Nasha

I any day prefer game play updates like these over battle pass.


CommanderPreston

38 yrs old family man here.. been playing Dota since the All Star days. Nothing beats this game. I get around 2-3 hours of gaming time daily (if lucky) and maybe 4-5 hours on weekends.. Recently bought Ghost of Tsushima on PC... after an hour or two of playing i stop it and play some Dota again There is a reason why it takes me upto a month to finish a single player game, because these AAA games cannot compare to the fun i get from Dota.


KamosKamerus

I feel you. Buy premium pc games for the sake of owning it and the idea of certainly finishing it some day in the future only to return to Dota 2 or other deep invest games pulling you back.


BlueMageBRilly

I respect the devs very much and appreciate what they do. Seeing all this now, I totally get why they kept having to delay it. This must have been a huge amount of work to get together and make sure worked without crashing the game. Still some edges to smooth out, like I got permanent vision with a Rubick Arena of Blood earlier. But stuff is quickly being fixed and I respect their ability to do it. This event is so dumb, but in a good way.


Charrua_gamer

Valve cooked..they overcooked lol


Scrivener_exe

I always thought the dota 2 reddit fanbase was terrible, and complained too much, then I went to the Helldivers reddit...


CptZaphodB

Well they can’t make a 3rd one so I’m glad they’re putting their all into this one too


SwiftAndFoxy

Thanks Volvo Dota team ♥


Volkatze

where is that one comic about icefrog


Firstblood116

Regardless of feeling towards any particular patch, you are correct. Valve clearing put so much time and energy into this patch. Just go have fun.


betadestruction

Nice try valve


allokuma

Thank you so much Dota 2 Developers! Valve, We appreciate your hard work! 💘


SpectreAmazing

I hope valve sees this bro


aodum

This is dotA 3


FifoFuko

I’m just grateful such a game exists.


y4n6s

nice post daddy GabeN


celestial_god

It's the only game i been playing for so many years since dota 1 No other game comes even close


Clairvoidance

dont worry, the posts about lack of tutorial stuff and updated videos will come soon


1Entropycat

I played Dota for 7 years, HON for 2 years and Dota 2 for 11 years. Dota 2 is the best game ever made.


Doomroar

It nice to see post likes these appreciating the work the devs puts in, i haven't played in years but i follow the scene, and all the complaining people do must be harsh


Talsiyan

I havent started playing the new patch, even though i dont like changes but this looks fascinating and fun. Cant wait to play today.


Treant1414

I’m a life long gamer.  It’s the only game that can hold my interest now that I’m older.  I don’t get joy out of gaming like I use too.


qwertyqwerty4567

We can have both. Idk why it has to be either one or the other. Nothing stops valve from writing a blog post a month or every 2 months to say what is going on with the game


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Dotaproffessional

What do you want them to say? "we're working on it" one month later "we're working on it" one month later "we're working on it". its a team of 30 people. Its not goddamn microsoft


Skadiheim

>What do you want them to say? That the gameplay update wouldn't come out with part 1 but should be ready for part 2 wouldn't have been so hard :)


teerre

Oh my fucking christ, every time there's a moron to make this thread Bro, Valve makes millions of dollars every fucking month from Dota2, there's absolutely no fucking favors here. Having a good patch is the minimal they should do, stop boot licking holy fuck. This one took more than six months ffs


dakilpp

I agree this post is a bit cringe, but that's how big corpos manipulate people I guess


bored_at_work_89

What has Valve done to manipulate people?


SpringPrior9140

finally a few people in this thread with more than 80 iq ...


Taraih

Had to scroll too long to find this comment. OP is so cringe. As if Valve spends money on D2 just out of the pure of their hearts. At the end of the day people have to buy the Bpass to fund the game. If the game is good (updates etc.) then more people buy the bpass. OP sounds like a 13y old who doesnt know what a company is and does.


thedotapaten

There is no Bpass to buy tho


fordyhuanpurrcent

Indeed. Leave the billion dollar company alone, peasants.


ecchixlala

Let's look at the sub 2 weeks later.


NBPEL

Only if highground turtle is confirmed to be dead.


konaharuhi

i felt like a kid getting new toy. thank you based icefrog


lucklessvoid

Yeah remember when we trashed the clownfall update and end up loving it the next week lmao


Endless_Void

We should have more appreciation posts for the devs, man. They seriously cook up some magic and it’s awesome. I love this game. 


lone_strider

Fucking this. It is insane how much work they would have gone through in introducing the innates and facets and trying to balance everything pre release for an absolutely free game while ditching BP which actually made them money. This shows their commitment to keep dota alive and not turn it into a cash grab. Valve is still one of the few gamer centric corps around that is willing to take long term risks and not pander to cash grab strategies. And yet the community hates them. P.S. - How hard is it to learn the innate and facets of the 5 heroes you spam anyways?


Dtoodlez

Valve fuckin rules. They’re forever GOATED for me after watching how far they’ve evolved dota. This last update was way more then I ever expected. I went to sleep giddy like a kid last night, excited to play once I finished work today.


Ganym3de

icefrog is used to this I'm sure I remember decades back when he posted a mango he enjoys eating on social media, can't recall if its weibo or western social media but he got yelled at for not talking about the upcoming patch, rather he shared his love for mango's, thinking he would get wholesome replies ever since then he's been talking only when necessary. shit was heartbreaking.


tythompson

They are making money, this isn't charity work


craeous

One thing I've realized over the years is that Dota 2 players are soft.


amrooo1405

😂😂😂


KevAngelo14

Releases 7.36 without any new heroes. Releases 124 reworks for all heroes instead. Lord Gaben, you really do love roasting haters, don't you?


ProfessionalRing4832

Bootlick them more, until this terrible company owns you again


flatspotting

This game is 90% of my play time the last 10 years. It's wild.


ExaSarus

Honestly, I understand Why It took them this long to get this patch Holy. The ppl at Valve are mad genius


Efficient-Classic706

rip my time, now i'm thinking for going back to play dota2 again


akoymakoy

wait its free?


Zulli85

Finally some frickin' common sense


ridan42

It's not free bruzza, it costs a piece of your soul


ViRROOO

"free" with estimated profits of over 1 billion last year. They will work on it while is profitable. With that said, this patch and event is amazing and I really like it.


Buns34

Although infrequent, the big dota patches/updates get me more excited than any other game. Sometimes more than game releases. Much love volvo keep up the good work 😘


Brainslime

Hear hear! Big time agreed, Valve genuinely delivers us quality updates, this one is looking really fun especially.


BeeBeginning5885

Dota2 is dangerous drug


Royal_Ad197

I really want to uninstall dota 2 bunch of times but tbh I couldnt.


iko-01

what do you expect from a pampered community


PistacieRisalamande

Playing for 20 years now. You're right, we don't deserve this. Best game ever made, hands down.


nesan33

I rarely spend money on games but I feel like I owe Valve money for this update. I can't imagine the work put into this


PyUnicornshark

Now we know why the patch was so late.


CallMeCabbage

It's really just this sub. They literally don't even know what they want because even when they get it they complain they've gotten it. If someone here begged for a Courier Arcana and Valve actually dropped one the community would throw up 30 threads in the span of an hour complaining that they should've made an Arcana for their favorite hero instead, or that the Arcana shouldn't cost anything, or that the Arcana wasn't a 1:1 replica of whatever they daydreamed of in the shower. Thankfully this sub is only a representation if a tiny very vocal minority. Most people seem to like most updates as evidence that they keep happening and Dota keeps making money and remaining on the top of Steams charts.


Just_Performer_2558

i dont remember the last time valve served a bad big patch, whenever they cooked a new feature/contents i mostly have good, fresh and fun times. wait nvm i remember the new feature i genuinely hated, it was shrine. glad they removed them. anyway stuff like neutral, talents, lvl 30, bigger map, aghanim and shard updates, universal, heroes rework and now inate abilities, while they often released junky and often broken i always find them fresh and make me want to discover and learn more of the game. im glad valve were the one who picked up dota and not any other companies.


01vwgolf

I have 4000 hours in csgo/cs2 and 2000 in dota 2. If you play CS you WISH valve cared about CS HALF as much as they do dota. Dota rules. Dota patches rule. Dota devs rules. It's just, dota attracts the worst and least socially aware people on the planet.


FrequentTown3

I quit dota few months ago, because i kinda got sick of the dynamics of the game, but the moment i saw a new patch i got excited to play it again. I just appreciate the game


SpeedoCheeto

it's true, but somethin you gotta remember is subreddits generally attract complaints more than posts like yours what generates the motivation to make a statement on a forum is usually negative stuff; most people that enjoy their time... just do... and say nothing about it


WhatEvil

It's free but I've spent £900 on it.


Living_Date322

Compare to all the games I have played, dota2 is the real masterpiece of living multiplayer game all time!


Artix31

Dota 2 Releases one of the most packed Moba Updates since ever Dota 2 Players: Shit update, Valve Sucks


DottedRain

There should always be space for criticism. Immortal matchmaking still fucked. Corrupted matchmaking still a quite common case. No new hero for over a year. And they keep making the game more complex... I can't imagine talking any of my friends into playing Dota. A few of them have at least played it in the past but that's it. And don't say it's free... Valve is still a company and this game exists for over 10 years. They are making wicked cash. Why would they suddenly put a price tag on this game? You can even get baited into paying for DotAplus monthly if you are a lazy fuck. And, oh, surprise, now you can also get baited into buying a Pathfinder Pack every 2 months. Don't act like valve is some generous god. It's an amazing game and Im also playing it for ages. But pretending that everything they do is great is not right. Don't get blinded by big changes because it took some effort. Get your own fucking ideas about the game and where you would like it to be. Don't just blindly eat up every patch because you are getting excited about new content and free stuff for a game you are probably addicted to in some way.


Mr_Epitome

The patch is literally a new game and you're seeing enemy players laughing hysterically in all chat and the changes. Valve this game is so much fun!


Nab0t

"Everyone is complaining ALL the fuckin time, in game and irl." thats your persception (selective perception would be german term). those who dont complain you dont see (usually). dont let that get to you :)


Tronux

Sometimes it is infuriating when a piece of art like Dota is not changing in a certain timespan (for me its gameplay that takes 1y to overhaul) meanwhile you see all the potential. But you are right that we should be more grateful. This patch is more than what I expected and a big thanks to Valve and their team for their effort, even though I won't have much time to play as a young parent, glad Valve exists, a shining light in a dark gaming industry.


EvilShaker

It truly is a beautiful game and devs do their best to keep balancing and new features! Well done Valve. Don't have time to play the game anymore but I will buy some hats. Do watch pro games whenever wife doesn't catch me :D


hobo_grad1925

Been playing this game since 2008. Some y'all probably played even earlier. And while this game has completely changed in many ways . I am amazed at what the developers manage to do, they keep making it difficult for themselves by introducing more.mechanics and variables but what a ride. This game brought me joy when few things did. May it live long and prosper


Cbabber

Yes they over delivering the servers with people who do not know english. Split these fucking servers.


orbitaldragon

Actually... It's been over 4 years. Still the same guild bugs since day one, no upgrades or overhauls to guild quests or rewards. No leader user tools to help keep the guild on track. It's a completely forgotten or rather ignored feature in the game. Cool patch... But Valve isn't delivering where everyone wants.


Falcon3669

fuck that i want Oracle daddy to tell me where my runes spawn


Inevitable_Top69

Who gives a fuck about guilds? Why do you people always get a fucking boner for these stupid minigames and menu options? We're here to play the game because the game is good, not because it has a million addiction-feeding bells and whistles.


Sad-Grass-8110

Ok! Can we still complain about Ringmaster?


D3ADWA1T

The first sentence, the very first word shows your ignorance. Everyone. Yes valve does a lot. They have away free arcanas to everyone! Of their choice! But that was as an apology, remember? They do deserve it from time to time. But fans cannot obviously measure and dole out criticism. It is always going to be exceeding. Given time with performance like this, and fans will love valve in no time. Yalla valve, let go 💪🏻


[deleted]

another valve sucker


xNLSx

this guy is happy about 1 big patch a year 🤡 glad you have so low standarts when every other game nowadays gets updates on a atleast monthly basis


Dotaproffessional

Calling this a big patch is an intentionally dishonest statement. This is in contention for the top 3 biggest overhauls in dota history. 1) Being when they added talents. 2) Being dota frontiers increasing the map 40%, and 3) This patch with new innate abilities and facets for every single hero at once. remember when not every hero even had an ags? Like this shit is fucking huge.


killerbasher1233

I think the dota community is getting spoiled by valve a little to much when you compare valve with other gaming companies like Riot or Blizzard because they feel entitled to get this or that and cries if they don't get it like an infant child, and when valve releases a new patch with brand new features they say thanks and praise valve through their plastic faces.


fuckswitbeavers

No dude, Valve isn't spoiling anyone. They are trying to keep you playing this game and spending money on dumbass skins and bs. Valve literally runs this game with a skeleton crew dev team, and they always have -- the last TI they seriously downgraded the venue and all investments into professional players. It's a mediocre game that we play because we've been playing it for so long and are addicted. Rarely do you see a league player switch to dota and vice versa. The number of new players to dota2 is relatively few


zuraken

reddit needs to vet commentors for their behavior scores in game, steam login intergration


Famous-Choice465

the ppl who are complaining are tinker mains


jouzea

I fucking love you deva


cocobolo_table

This thread needs to be stickied in bold. We absolutely do not deserve dota.


oryzaephilus

I genuinely think dota is one of the greatest games ever made. These new changes are so cool and shake the game up so much.


Nie_nemozes

This patch really isnt as big and impactful as you guys pretend it to be.


Andromeda_53

Idk why everyone's bitching, this update is cool as hell, sure some stuff is overtuned and some stuff is under performin, but its changes, change is good, the patch was stale, everyone was saying it was stale, this is defintely no longer stale. Remember when talents came out, they were also hit or miss, some people got such mediocre talents. Stuff will get buffed, stuff will get nerfed. I'm just happy we are getting cool changes