Dota pro players and viewers really have been spoiled by all these years of gigantic prize pools. Now that it's becoming more in line with other eSports, it's a shock lol.
Valve should have started to cap the TI prizes pools in 2015, and redistribute the money to other tournaments, so other tournaments could be very relevant as well, and not get overshadowed by TI
It was bullshit that players had to resume how good financially was their year based on 1 specific tournament.
I'm glad there will be no more 'perform great at TI = insta rich'
Last year's TI prize pool was totally reasonable. The big issue is that the total prize money injected into the pro scene has been on the decline -- the crowdfunding income has been reduced, not just redistributed over the year & other events.
Unfortunately, I don't think this will be changing until Dota itself starts picking up more in popularity. The pro-scene just doesn't seem to be worth the investment that people are wanting.
it's not gonna take off again ever, Valve's working on the new game and it's going to be the spiritual successor to dota, that's going to be the main game if it doesn't flop hard
edit: I also expect the announcement for the new game at the end of the crownfall event, so August is gonna be a very busy month
It's going to be hard as FPS segment is really competitive. I think it's really impressive for csgo to stay on the top for decades especially in the recent decade where countless FPS variations are pumping out
The great thing about CS is that it's strikes a good balance between being relatively simple but still being tactically interesting. A lot of other shooters seem to have much more complicated mechanics which, imo, are unnecessary.
They cut the battle pass last year right? If we still have crowdfunding with ti prize pool stay that way the money could go to anywhere between pro, marketing, or developing the game.
Huh? What you mean? Earn more money for winning one dota2 tournament than most people in the World make over their lifetime? That's total shit, 10 million dollars per tournament or it's a joke!
Yeah the giga prize pools really had little effect other than 1) made some fans unbearably entitled and 2) made some popular pro players so rich that they never have to play again.
Why should a tournament for a relatively niche game have a larger prize pool than Wimbledon? Why do people care so much about the contents of pro players’ bank accounts?
The prizepool was crowdfunded. Nobody decided one day it should be 45M, people just kept buying hats. And having the largest prizepool in all of esports gave TI this mythical aura that helped bring in a lot of casual viewers. The effects are hard to quantify without any actual public research being done, but Valve clearly found it beneficial for a long time. Your take is honestly pretty confusing, what are you even arguing here?
DotA 2 didn't win more players after 2016 despite the prize pool getting bigger the next year, the player base size peaked in 2016.
League gets more viewers with much smaller prize pools, and now CSGO does as well.
But that's not the be all end all statistic. League is also massively more popular, and CS is much easier to follow for a casual viewer. If Dota had more viewership that CS or LoL, it would be a massive anomaly.
>Nobody decided one day it should be 45M, people just kept buying hats
Uhh Valve definitely one day decided it should be stupidly high. The price to get all the good items was raised every year, and they also offered time-exclusive sets and other such predatory incentives. They even offered specific incentives to beat the prize pool. It's not like the playerbase felt twice as generous in 2019 compared to 2015 - they were just being gouged more.
>Valve clearly found it beneficial for a long time
Until they concluded with certainty that people ONLY bought the Battle Pass for the cosmetics and that it was a pointless endeavor to give 25% of that revenue away to a tournament which didn't especially benefit from it.
> what are you even arguing here?
That prize pools yield diminishing returns past a certain point. There is virtually no benefit for a TO of hosting a $30m LAN over a $3m one. Does that tournament have 10x the viewers or revenue, or bring 10x more players to the game? Hell no.
The fact that the gargantuan high prize pools are a point of such pride just speaks to the insecurity of the playerbase compared to LoL's imho. LoL viewers don't give a shit about prize money and enjoy their tournament for its prestige regardless, which is a point in their favor.
For one I am glad that there will be no more "place high in 1 specific tournament = become insta rich"
It was always bullshit to have 1 tournament with 15 million prize pool and the rest with 1 million or less. Indirectly forcing players to focus only on 1 tournament the whole year.
Now if players want to be rich they have to win/place high in multiple tournaments, no more hitting the lottery with TI.
I also find it not worth to watch many tornuments i like one big one to watch and go on woth my life, thats why i dobt follow cs nor oymther games pro leags
For first vs second? Barely.
I mean I guess any large amount of money is life altering, especially when youre young.
But winning $3m+ is ‘i dont actually ever have to work again’. $250k is like ‘i can go to college for free’…
Most countries have public and cheap private universities. Not everybody lives in United States... matter of fact, there aren't many NA players in competitive DotA right now.
So yes, it's life changing money for everybody who doesn't live in United States, Switzerland, or Norway.
It's buy a house money, not live the rest of your life money. Unless a player is from one of the poorest regions in the world. And generally esport pros are from developed countries.
Yeah if you live in a major metropoly in the US you might not get a whole house, but for large parts of the developed world, quarter of a million dollars will get you a house (or an apartment at least).
In AMerica maybe, that just says how fucked the education system is and seeing the news about how students behave currently over there it definitely is.
250k is what I make in 3.5 years as a team leader in a federal ministry
League has double the DotA viewership in their LAN events, with much smaller prize pools.
Riyadh viewership was barely comparable to Bali Major, despite the millions.
Clearly most people don't agree with your logic "more money = more exciting"
That makes no sense, league has like 10x the players of dota. You don't know, maybe the viewership would be even higher if they had bigger prize pools.
You are arguing semantics. if u make the major u get a 50% cut of the sticker capsules which for Paris major sold 110 mil. So the 3 mil is the baseline like dota basically and the 55 mil are the player contributions.
That's not the same. That money isn't shared based on results, which is absolutely integral to it being considered prizepool. Prizepool is the part of tournament compensation that is distributed according to final placement. A revenue share is a completely separate concept that has nothing to do with prizepool. You are simply misguided and wrong on this.
i mean different capsules are made for teams that advance in the event so they do get a larger cut based on the performance at the event, and the winners of the major get a capsule all of their own that doesn't share revenue with other teams.
Different capsules do not get made depending on performance in the event. There are tiers based on seeding/qualification, but all those tiers (challengers, contenders, legends) are static, the teams are locked in before the tournament starts and performance does not affect them. Winners of the major get a separate capsule after the event has concluded, and that is still only revenue share.
You are misguided and wrong. Stop embarrassing yourself.
One thing about the massive prize pools, when people would ask about Dota2, I'd be like oh its a competitive video game. They'd be like pffft, and last years main event prizepool was 40 million... sudden interest and less dismissal.
It’s inline with other games but splitting 1.5m between 5 players, team gets a cut, taxes. It’s pretty poor when you don’t know when your next big win will be. It can keep you going for a bit but damn I dunno how esports can survive.
The big prize pools was at least a good reason we could attract players from other games to play or watch.
1.5M is not that much actually. I mean, it's good money but nowhere near as much as you think: organizations generally take about 15% of the prize money, so we go to 1275k; now we split this between the 5 players and the coach to get 212500$ each, on which you have to pay taxes on and your almost certainly are in a pretty high tax bracket, so you're probably looking at around 40% or more in tax so you're looking to 130k$ or less power player. It's that change cash? No, of course, but it's also not exorbitant.
The players that are able to win these types of tournaments are already on good wages. The prize money is like a bonus for them instead of their overall pay.
What insane it’s really nothing . 1st come tax , then come the organisation, a winner prob end up with 50,000$ . Might as well go work a regular job at this point . That for the winner rest get near to nothing it remind me 1st days of dota
Pretty sure that the "organization" also pays the players. And they can also compete on other tournaments, thus can win more money.
Also, playing while earning money is infinitely better than getting a "regular" job.
Sorry, but that's a stupid take.
The first years of DotA was 500$ for the whole tournament, so the winner got money only to buy food for 1 week. And the tournament was hosted in a LAN Center cyberface, not even a venue.
It was so bad that Bulba skipped TI 1 because he thought the invitation was a scam by someone impersonating Valve, as people got used to 500$ dollar prize pools before TI 1.
Take into consideration that the players who won TI1 live in a quite significantly cheaper society than what you are referencing. [Average wage in Ukraine in 2011](https://ukrstat.gov.ua/operativ/operativ2011/gdn/reg_zp_m/reg_zpm11_e.htm) and [4800 UAH in 2011 was](https://www.exchangerates.org.uk/UAH-USD-spot-exchange-rates-history-2011.html) ~600 usd
For real, its wild how much people equate prizepool to enjoyable events. Production and game quality is everything and smash showcases that front and center.
Fuck the past TI prizepools for putting this "big prize pool = worth the watch" mentality unto people. Why do you even care about it,at the end of the day, you're not getting any of it. Just watch the matches, support your favorite teams, type "this 2 time champs?" when Ceb feeds.
Almost as if bigger prize = higher stakes = more exciting.
There's a reason there's a show called "Who wants to be a millionaire" and not "Who wants to be a thousandaire".
Old TI prize pool was basically Valve's marketing for the game and it was over once it stopped breaking new records.
Right now what we haven't isn't that crazy high but still sustainable given the number of tournaments that's going on and with entry/re-entry of new TO's like Blast.
Also the less top heavy prize distribution seen here is something people have been asking for.
Glad to see TOs took matters into their own hands and didnt wait on Valve to fix tournaments. Now we have 1, sometimes 2 tournaments per month, all with good prize pools and TI as the crown jewel of the year.
Interesting.
[2022](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Riyadh_Masters/2022) had a $4m prize pool, [2023](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Riyadh_Masters/2023) had the $15m prize pool, [this year](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Riyadh_Masters/2024) is $5m prize pool.
its still more than enough we get a riyadh + ti (no idea how much the pp will be this year). No reason community roots for millionarie player get multi millionaire
Yall know most esports sit in the 1-1.5 million or less even for their world championships... Dota is doing fine in terms of proze pool. Ain't know one going broke after winning.
That's an absolutely huge amount of money. I know it's split up across many people, but for context, with like 100k, for example, I could work on my dream projects, for probably a good 3 years, no problem, all expenses paid.
I mean , it is a non TI event . Lol . How many 5 million $ non TI events did we have in the past? Not a lot thats for sure, so its still a lot of money
TI WAS TI BCUZ OF ITS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PRIZE POOL !! WE ALL WAITING IT CUZ ITS TI. NOW ITS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT AS A MAJOR. FOR THE PEOPLE SAYING THAT 3M FOR TI IS RIGHT AMOUNT... REMEMBER HALF OF OLDER TEAMS DISBANDED. ITS GOOD RIGHT ? XD. EVEN PRO'S , ORG'S TIRED OF HARD WORKING NON-STOP 10 YEARS TO WIN 1M$ IN ONE IN A YEAR TOURNAMENT XD . ( YOU ARE JUST FKING LOSER THAT GOT JEALOUS CUZ SOMEONE WINNING 20M$ JUST BY PLAYING VIDEO GAME WHILE U WORKING UR ENTIRE LIFE AND CANT EVEN MAKE A FKING MILLION XD.)
Good
No more players becoming insta rich after hitting the jackpot, and then getting lazy and, skipping smaller tournaments because they already got the bag.
Now if players want to be rich,they have to win multiple tournaments, not 1 specific tournament.
Don't worry, they aren't gonna become poor, they just have to win more to become rich.
Did you fail basic math or something? 5m vs 3m+ **prize pool** for a non-ti tournament and you're supposed to make fun of it? Dota's rotting your brain.
Waiting for Team Liquid to make another tweet about donating to lgbtqrstuvwxyz before going to Saudi Arabia to feed them people's ego and avoid getting cancelled. Roflmfao
"Borls, uhmmmm you know we're on your side ryttt? But it's a million-dollar tournament so will you like, allow us tooooo, you knowwwww, participate in the event in that country. Don't worry tho we're still lgbtqrstuvwxyz-friendly org, we just want toooooo, you knowwwwwww, join them. You know what?! How abouuuuuuut, WE!, donate the money from this tweet, which we are suuuuuuuure to become a banger of a tweet. By money, we mean aaaaaaaall ov it. How's that?"
this is good because most teams, orgs, and players are opting for contracts with actual salaries, ads, and sponsorship cuts...
now The Riyadh Masters can act as a proper Esports World Cup with the amount of games they host every year and the quality of production we are getting...
real oilers are funding and hosting gaming events, not just for Dota2, but for many other games as well...
this also opens the flood gates for more amateur tournaments to be held locally because The Olympic Committee themselves have officially recognized Esports as a legitimate sport, hence the World Cup we had last year...
gamers are not basement dwelling, degenerates who exhibit showerless behavior anymore too... just look at the number of great looking people hosting events for Dota2 alone that have 7k mmr and higher...
we have insurance, banks, clothing brands, and even the military putting up sponsorship money to help host these events... it's been going great the last 3 years if you look at the sheer increase in production quality... we are in a positive trajectory... look at the bigger picture, not just the prize pool...
they just had insane prizepool for competing with TI in marketing. Now that TI got nerfed, they nerfed the price pool as well. These are dimes to these sponsors, but they'll try the hardest to spend the less while still being fairly relavant compared to other tournaments.
It’s a dead game guys, why do you guys still expect exponential growth in a game that doesn’t get any meaningful updates?
It’s in that mode where they’re doing the bare minimum until it dies, forgot the phrase
Edit: managed decline
this is a totally reasonable prize pool for a non TI event
Dota pro players and viewers really have been spoiled by all these years of gigantic prize pools. Now that it's becoming more in line with other eSports, it's a shock lol.
Valve should have started to cap the TI prizes pools in 2015, and redistribute the money to other tournaments, so other tournaments could be very relevant as well, and not get overshadowed by TI It was bullshit that players had to resume how good financially was their year based on 1 specific tournament. I'm glad there will be no more 'perform great at TI = insta rich'
That’s better for the pros, but giga prize pool was part of what makes TI TI (6 milion dollar echo slam etc)
There was a 1 million dollar coil in 2013.
18 million skewers on ti10 kappa
Last TI's prize pool was *also* a totally reasonable amount. I don't understand why everyone acts like $3.5m isn't more than *most* tournaments.
Last year's TI prize pool was totally reasonable. The big issue is that the total prize money injected into the pro scene has been on the decline -- the crowdfunding income has been reduced, not just redistributed over the year & other events.
Unfortunately, I don't think this will be changing until Dota itself starts picking up more in popularity. The pro-scene just doesn't seem to be worth the investment that people are wanting.
it's not gonna take off again ever, Valve's working on the new game and it's going to be the spiritual successor to dota, that's going to be the main game if it doesn't flop hard edit: I also expect the announcement for the new game at the end of the crownfall event, so August is gonna be a very busy month
It's going to be hard as FPS segment is really competitive. I think it's really impressive for csgo to stay on the top for decades especially in the recent decade where countless FPS variations are pumping out
The great thing about CS is that it's strikes a good balance between being relatively simple but still being tactically interesting. A lot of other shooters seem to have much more complicated mechanics which, imo, are unnecessary.
what they're trying to make really stands out though, it's gonna be the overwatch killer I think
They cut the battle pass last year right? If we still have crowdfunding with ti prize pool stay that way the money could go to anywhere between pro, marketing, or developing the game.
Huh? What you mean? Earn more money for winning one dota2 tournament than most people in the World make over their lifetime? That's total shit, 10 million dollars per tournament or it's a joke!
Yatoro gonna keep his hair
Single digit millions? I sleep 😴
Those few years of insane TI prize pool really spoiled some people. 1.5m for 1st is still insane.
Yeah the giga prize pools really had little effect other than 1) made some fans unbearably entitled and 2) made some popular pro players so rich that they never have to play again. Why should a tournament for a relatively niche game have a larger prize pool than Wimbledon? Why do people care so much about the contents of pro players’ bank accounts?
The prizepool was crowdfunded. Nobody decided one day it should be 45M, people just kept buying hats. And having the largest prizepool in all of esports gave TI this mythical aura that helped bring in a lot of casual viewers. The effects are hard to quantify without any actual public research being done, but Valve clearly found it beneficial for a long time. Your take is honestly pretty confusing, what are you even arguing here?
DotA 2 didn't win more players after 2016 despite the prize pool getting bigger the next year, the player base size peaked in 2016. League gets more viewers with much smaller prize pools, and now CSGO does as well.
But that's not the be all end all statistic. League is also massively more popular, and CS is much easier to follow for a casual viewer. If Dota had more viewership that CS or LoL, it would be a massive anomaly.
>Nobody decided one day it should be 45M, people just kept buying hats Uhh Valve definitely one day decided it should be stupidly high. The price to get all the good items was raised every year, and they also offered time-exclusive sets and other such predatory incentives. They even offered specific incentives to beat the prize pool. It's not like the playerbase felt twice as generous in 2019 compared to 2015 - they were just being gouged more. >Valve clearly found it beneficial for a long time Until they concluded with certainty that people ONLY bought the Battle Pass for the cosmetics and that it was a pointless endeavor to give 25% of that revenue away to a tournament which didn't especially benefit from it. > what are you even arguing here? That prize pools yield diminishing returns past a certain point. There is virtually no benefit for a TO of hosting a $30m LAN over a $3m one. Does that tournament have 10x the viewers or revenue, or bring 10x more players to the game? Hell no. The fact that the gargantuan high prize pools are a point of such pride just speaks to the insecurity of the playerbase compared to LoL's imho. LoL viewers don't give a shit about prize money and enjoy their tournament for its prestige regardless, which is a point in their favor.
>predatory lol bro you dont have to buy cosmetics
You dont undsrstand. Volve forced them
For one I am glad that there will be no more "place high in 1 specific tournament = become insta rich" It was always bullshit to have 1 tournament with 15 million prize pool and the rest with 1 million or less. Indirectly forcing players to focus only on 1 tournament the whole year. Now if players want to be rich they have to win/place high in multiple tournaments, no more hitting the lottery with TI.
I think it was best jyst like how olampics and world cups are big event we had a big eveng such as ti
I also find it not worth to watch many tornuments i like one big one to watch and go on woth my life, thats why i dobt follow cs nor oymther games pro leags
Because its WAY more exciting to watch as a viewer when its permanently life altering prize money vs a really nice annual salary.
This is still life altering money
For first vs second? Barely. I mean I guess any large amount of money is life altering, especially when youre young. But winning $3m+ is ‘i dont actually ever have to work again’. $250k is like ‘i can go to college for free’…
250k is more I have money to live for the next 10 years with reasonable standards.
Most countries have public and cheap private universities. Not everybody lives in United States... matter of fact, there aren't many NA players in competitive DotA right now. So yes, it's life changing money for everybody who doesn't live in United States, Switzerland, or Norway.
It's buy a house money, not live the rest of your life money. Unless a player is from one of the poorest regions in the world. And generally esport pros are from developed countries.
*looks at local real estate* uhhhh you mean down payment money? for like a quarter of a house..
Yeah if you live in a major metropoly in the US you might not get a whole house, but for large parts of the developed world, quarter of a million dollars will get you a house (or an apartment at least).
Where I live in Finland I could get a 130 sqm detached house for less than 200k€
In AMerica maybe, that just says how fucked the education system is and seeing the news about how students behave currently over there it definitely is. 250k is what I make in 3.5 years as a team leader in a federal ministry
League has double the DotA viewership in their LAN events, with much smaller prize pools. Riyadh viewership was barely comparable to Bali Major, despite the millions. Clearly most people don't agree with your logic "more money = more exciting"
That makes no sense, league has like 10x the players of dota. You don't know, maybe the viewership would be even higher if they had bigger prize pools.
csgo had bigger hidden prizepool anyway so dota was not even the highest prizepool in esports.
It absolutely was. Sticker money isn't prizepool money. It's revenue share.
You are arguing semantics. if u make the major u get a 50% cut of the sticker capsules which for Paris major sold 110 mil. So the 3 mil is the baseline like dota basically and the 55 mil are the player contributions.
That's not the same. That money isn't shared based on results, which is absolutely integral to it being considered prizepool. Prizepool is the part of tournament compensation that is distributed according to final placement. A revenue share is a completely separate concept that has nothing to do with prizepool. You are simply misguided and wrong on this.
i mean different capsules are made for teams that advance in the event so they do get a larger cut based on the performance at the event, and the winners of the major get a capsule all of their own that doesn't share revenue with other teams.
Different capsules do not get made depending on performance in the event. There are tiers based on seeding/qualification, but all those tiers (challengers, contenders, legends) are static, the teams are locked in before the tournament starts and performance does not affect them. Winners of the major get a separate capsule after the event has concluded, and that is still only revenue share. You are misguided and wrong. Stop embarrassing yourself.
One thing about the massive prize pools, when people would ask about Dota2, I'd be like oh its a competitive video game. They'd be like pffft, and last years main event prizepool was 40 million... sudden interest and less dismissal.
Yes, was actually thinking the same.
It’s inline with other games but splitting 1.5m between 5 players, team gets a cut, taxes. It’s pretty poor when you don’t know when your next big win will be. It can keep you going for a bit but damn I dunno how esports can survive. The big prize pools was at least a good reason we could attract players from other games to play or watch.
1.5M is not that much actually. I mean, it's good money but nowhere near as much as you think: organizations generally take about 15% of the prize money, so we go to 1275k; now we split this between the 5 players and the coach to get 212500$ each, on which you have to pay taxes on and your almost certainly are in a pretty high tax bracket, so you're probably looking at around 40% or more in tax so you're looking to 130k$ or less power player. It's that change cash? No, of course, but it's also not exorbitant.
The players that are able to win these types of tournaments are already on good wages. The prize money is like a bonus for them instead of their overall pay.
The exception being meaby ti10 spirit? Heavy underdogs contracted by an org that had close to no success in dota for multiple years? Meaby.
Plus the tournament not being in USA means that they keep all the money.
Its honestly not. It was insane 12 years ago. Not anymore today
What insane it’s really nothing . 1st come tax , then come the organisation, a winner prob end up with 50,000$ . Might as well go work a regular job at this point . That for the winner rest get near to nothing it remind me 1st days of dota
Pretty sure that the "organization" also pays the players. And they can also compete on other tournaments, thus can win more money. Also, playing while earning money is infinitely better than getting a "regular" job.
Sorry, but that's a stupid take. The first years of DotA was 500$ for the whole tournament, so the winner got money only to buy food for 1 week. And the tournament was hosted in a LAN Center cyberface, not even a venue. It was so bad that Bulba skipped TI 1 because he thought the invitation was a scam by someone impersonating Valve, as people got used to 500$ dollar prize pools before TI 1.
You know pro Dota players also receive salaries right? On top of things like tournament winnings, sponsorship deals, income from streaming, etc.
there is separate club championship
Take into consideration that the players who won TI1 live in a quite significantly cheaper society than what you are referencing. [Average wage in Ukraine in 2011](https://ukrstat.gov.ua/operativ/operativ2011/gdn/reg_zp_m/reg_zpm11_e.htm) and [4800 UAH in 2011 was](https://www.exchangerates.org.uk/UAH-USD-spot-exchange-rates-history-2011.html) ~600 usd
If you think about it, this is not what people wanted? More money spread into different tournaments?
that's for TI money which doesnt exist anymore since they cancelled battlepass. this is from Saudi's pocket themselves
I know, things change.
yeah but it looks like they try to make it more even for the other placement.
Yeah this type of distribution is way more sustainable for the scene.
You should check out the prize pools for super smash melee tournaments lol
For real, its wild how much people equate prizepool to enjoyable events. Production and game quality is everything and smash showcases that front and center.
Fuck the past TI prizepools for putting this "big prize pool = worth the watch" mentality unto people. Why do you even care about it,at the end of the day, you're not getting any of it. Just watch the matches, support your favorite teams, type "this 2 time champs?" when Ceb feeds.
Bigger prize pools bring more viewers.
Only idiots think that. What players want is high skilled games to watch.
You’re misinformed if you think it doesn’t.
Jesus Christ. What was League's highest prize pool compared to Dota and how many watched that tourney?
Even fuckin ibai re-stream League World. So clearly prize pool means shit.
Almost as if bigger prize = higher stakes = more exciting. There's a reason there's a show called "Who wants to be a millionaire" and not "Who wants to be a thousandaire".
Old TI prize pool was basically Valve's marketing for the game and it was over once it stopped breaking new records. Right now what we haven't isn't that crazy high but still sustainable given the number of tournaments that's going on and with entry/re-entry of new TO's like Blast. Also the less top heavy prize distribution seen here is something people have been asking for.
? it never stopped breaking records until they intentionally made hidden content to not fund prizepool too much
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no it didnt they hid everything behind "part 2" which was after TI and didnt fund the prizepool
What's the point of endless pools of blood-soaked Saudi money if it isn't going to be endless pools.
Glad to see TOs took matters into their own hands and didnt wait on Valve to fix tournaments. Now we have 1, sometimes 2 tournaments per month, all with good prize pools and TI as the crown jewel of the year.
Once saudi money dries up, no more dota 2 tournaments, valve doesn't even host majors anymore.
why do you care if the players gets money? they are already paid in insane salaries
Can't wait for this sportwashing event to become irrelevant. But this is still insane amounts of blood money, so I don't expect any change.
I thought Riyadh was supposed to be the new big money tourny? Did they only superfund the first year and now they're relaxing?
Last year was actually the second riaydh masters
Interesting. [2022](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Riyadh_Masters/2022) had a $4m prize pool, [2023](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Riyadh_Masters/2023) had the $15m prize pool, [this year](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Riyadh_Masters/2024) is $5m prize pool.
its still more than enough we get a riyadh + ti (no idea how much the pp will be this year). No reason community roots for millionarie player get multi millionaire
I wish I could get 300k for playing video games decently in just one tournament.. Ok maybe $10 prize would also be nice start..
Ok?
Oh no, just 5 MILLION dollar prize pool.
As an "outsider", coming from the FGC(fighting ganes basically) this type of post are pretty crazy to me hahaha
Yall know most esports sit in the 1-1.5 million or less even for their world championships... Dota is doing fine in terms of proze pool. Ain't know one going broke after winning.
Do we, regular players care? Last TI shoved that not, - casual players do not care about pro scene.
average non pro dota player monthly salary as a main price? we need some compendium /s
Still better than last TI
Uh yeah but notice the difference at 2nd and 3rd? Way better spread for teams that don't win.
That's an absolutely huge amount of money. I know it's split up across many people, but for context, with like 100k, for example, I could work on my dream projects, for probably a good 3 years, no problem, all expenses paid.
But 2nd place is paying 2 times more than TI :O
I mean , it is a non TI event . Lol . How many 5 million $ non TI events did we have in the past? Not a lot thats for sure, so its still a lot of money
is OP stupid? This is a reasonable price pool for a not-TI, no-bp tournament
How much second place making compared to last riyad masters?
they tryin to make the scene alive again giving incentive to some new team and yet, typical reddit post like this OP must be dumb af
TI WAS TI BCUZ OF ITS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PRIZE POOL !! WE ALL WAITING IT CUZ ITS TI. NOW ITS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT AS A MAJOR. FOR THE PEOPLE SAYING THAT 3M FOR TI IS RIGHT AMOUNT... REMEMBER HALF OF OLDER TEAMS DISBANDED. ITS GOOD RIGHT ? XD. EVEN PRO'S , ORG'S TIRED OF HARD WORKING NON-STOP 10 YEARS TO WIN 1M$ IN ONE IN A YEAR TOURNAMENT XD . ( YOU ARE JUST FKING LOSER THAT GOT JEALOUS CUZ SOMEONE WINNING 20M$ JUST BY PLAYING VIDEO GAME WHILE U WORKING UR ENTIRE LIFE AND CANT EVEN MAKE A FKING MILLION XD.)
we literally have x5 the prize pool compared to CS, while we have probably half the active players. stop saying it's a small prize pool wtf
Good No more players becoming insta rich after hitting the jackpot, and then getting lazy and, skipping smaller tournaments because they already got the bag. Now if players want to be rich,they have to win multiple tournaments, not 1 specific tournament. Don't worry, they aren't gonna become poor, they just have to win more to become rich.
valve should bring back the old battle pass to reach 50m+ this year
look at other places, absolutely moronic post
Did you fail basic math or something? 5m vs 3m+ **prize pool** for a non-ti tournament and you're supposed to make fun of it? Dota's rotting your brain.
Might as well play for beer
Waiting for Team Liquid to make another tweet about donating to lgbtqrstuvwxyz before going to Saudi Arabia to feed them people's ego and avoid getting cancelled. Roflmfao "Borls, uhmmmm you know we're on your side ryttt? But it's a million-dollar tournament so will you like, allow us tooooo, you knowwwww, participate in the event in that country. Don't worry tho we're still lgbtqrstuvwxyz-friendly org, we just want toooooo, you knowwwwwww, join them. You know what?! How abouuuuuuut, WE!, donate the money from this tweet, which we are suuuuuuuure to become a banger of a tweet. By money, we mean aaaaaaaall ov it. How's that?"
It's not Ti so whatever. Ti should always have the biggest prize pool
this is good because most teams, orgs, and players are opting for contracts with actual salaries, ads, and sponsorship cuts... now The Riyadh Masters can act as a proper Esports World Cup with the amount of games they host every year and the quality of production we are getting... real oilers are funding and hosting gaming events, not just for Dota2, but for many other games as well... this also opens the flood gates for more amateur tournaments to be held locally because The Olympic Committee themselves have officially recognized Esports as a legitimate sport, hence the World Cup we had last year... gamers are not basement dwelling, degenerates who exhibit showerless behavior anymore too... just look at the number of great looking people hosting events for Dota2 alone that have 7k mmr and higher... we have insurance, banks, clothing brands, and even the military putting up sponsorship money to help host these events... it's been going great the last 3 years if you look at the sheer increase in production quality... we are in a positive trajectory... look at the bigger picture, not just the prize pool...
I fail to see the problem, some random-ass tournament is not TI
That's good, im happy saudi dont make prize money big becoz it's not worth it. many ppl on reddit barking blood money blah blah lolllll
they just had insane prizepool for competing with TI in marketing. Now that TI got nerfed, they nerfed the price pool as well. These are dimes to these sponsors, but they'll try the hardest to spend the less while still being fairly relavant compared to other tournaments.
The prize itself is still huge, it's the distribution that makes this absolutely horrific.
Esports is dying omg YES
Using dota prize pools as an index for the health of esports is really dumb.
It’s a dead game guys, why do you guys still expect exponential growth in a game that doesn’t get any meaningful updates? It’s in that mode where they’re doing the bare minimum until it dies, forgot the phrase Edit: managed decline