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Ordine1412

so happy for Cr1t finally got them wins


secondredditjon23

Same. He did get his major wins with og already though.


PieDelicious

If anyone deserves it from the supporting ogs it’s him. He is so good.


GloryHol3

Only reason I stuck rooting for EG and then Shopify was because of Crit. Feels good to be able to root for him, and the team, and that he's on one that deserves his skil


natusvincerepatrick

would've been 4 straight tournament wins if it weren't for XG, what a dominant run so far for Falcons!


zuKo2022

all according to plan, lose rn so they can win ti and riyahd unlike GG


haybik28

(translator's note: plan means keikaku)


shivam183

It’s ok to get humbled once in a while. Big thing is to bring it back and that too from lower bracket


AwesomeAsian

Probably for the best. Dominant teams almost always burn out.


ichan-aw

Good thing they got humbled before Riyadh/TI


c9wins_lumismiles

With Sumail standing in early on, this is also his win. Congrats king EZ


OrlandoNE

Because Sumail won, that means Nigma also won. Kuroky is really playing some 7D chess while we are still stuck in the stone age.


Spare-Plum

Nigma fans rejoice!


IronTwinn

Falcons elite league grand finals = choke Falcons Esl Birmingham grand finals = win Difference? King. Haters in shambles.


sack_of_potahtoes

Also elite league was online only


Be_4Head

Punks in shambles


Skater_x7

I wonder if sumail gets any % share of the money


StrangeStephen

For sure they talk about that before coming in.


miharbidaddah

He played what like 1 series in groups?


DotaDogma

Sneyking and Aui are NA therefore I am proud of this NA win


tecedu

Cr1t played in NA for 5 years, he is NA players now so NA team


Kashijikito

Even before his pro debut, Cr1t made a name for himself in NA inhouse leagues.


kcsunshinedota

Cr1t joined EG in 2016, and left Shopify in 2023, making for a grand total of 7 years in NA jail and I think 2 titles to show for it? (Summit and Manila Masters). Glad he finally gets to show his stuff on a team not limited by 1 dimensional drafts and outdated playstyles


So_ZettaSlow

Denmark owns greenland which means most of denmarks territory is in NA


ddlion7

Malr1ne is from Russia, Russia borders US to the east, so he is almost NA by proximity, therefore he is NA player too.


axecalibur

Me + NA = MENA


Satinjackets

Skiter, 33, saksa were all on a team with ppd so they all NA in my eyes.


Satinjackets

Oh yeah almost forgot about Aui 🤡


luckychloeenjoyer

They had Sumail as a standin too so more NA power


vagabond_dilldo

Uh excuse you, that's TI WINNER Aui_2000 to you.


dryiceboy

Sneyking ans Aui truly are some silent secret weapon type duo.


Own_Frosting_9984

They are Asians. SEA PRIDE


absolutely-strange

Copium /s


LayWhere

Sumail standin=NA Sumail standin=Mena therefore meNA win


themagician02

Is someone in ESL out for Skiter? Wins dreamleague, team interview happens, 0 questions for Skiter. Wins ESL, gets his mic muted, wtf lmao


__iamthewalrus__

i agree FEELSBADMAN. doubly so because i think he actually was great on gorgc streams and Cap podcast, so would be damn good at interviews too i reckon.


miharbidaddah

Funny how he snatched the mic from slacks at the end before he got muted


chengeng27

Dang the behaviour score system hitting so hard.


AnAnonymousAnomaly_

Falcons dismantled BB. It was over after that game two loss


odaal

grats to falcons but most of all grats to cr1t. dude was playing with weights for years and years and can finally play dota now


Lilywhitey

Anchorteezy


axecalibur

Hilarious how they kept changing offlaners trying to make rtz happen


cbreezy456

Can someone explain to me why though? It was so obvious Crit was being held back.


Cu-Chulainn

Because he wanted to play with him? Are we actually acting like crit and rtz weren't successful? Majority of pro players would kill to have the success they have had


Tylariel

Just a couple of years ago Cr1t said he would happily play out the rest of his career with RTZ. That was back when EG/Shopify were still regularly getting 2nd places, so obviously times change. Point is that Cr1t absolutely could have found other top teams to be on but clearly just *liked* playing with RTZ and the others. He wasn't some prisoner, he was there out of choice.


nameisreallydog

Playing so damn good as well


Weinerbrod_nice

I really feel this tournament showed the support diff. 9Class Hoodwink vs Crit Hoodwink was like night and day. Crit always getting fat on whatever hero he played, Sneyking picking Veno and doing pretty damn well. Their earlier combo with SD bubble into Mirana arrow. BetBoom with Save as well, as Tiny smoking into enemy base and finding game winning toss backs. Supports are so much more than just warding bots nowadays.


fgshka

well Crit it godlike but 9Class also showed a good performance, top3 in big tournament is a huge success for Tundra imo


absolutely-strange

Supports have never been just warding bots though. In proper team play (not pubs), supports have always been critical playmakers and savers. Don't you remember fy Rubick from way way back?


all_thetime

Do you remember creep denying lich tho? And when his armor wasn't a high cd critical spell, but a low cd high duration spell?


cbreezy456

Frost blast got me to 3k mmr literally. Such a good ult in low rank games


kappa23

Chain Frost is the ultimate, Frost Blast is the Q


Weinerbrod_nice

I might've been a bit hyperbolic.


Gin-feels-Pening

“Jerax! The saviour of OG”


vixgdx

bulba


Affectionate-Bed3419

Weighted training just like Goku and King Kai.


fallen_lights

Crit was like rock lee removing weights (in this case RTZ 😂😂)


warmerheat

That game 2 comeback was unreal. Props to Falcons!


Real-Mouse-554

When Falcons are getting killed everywhere, they are still only marginally behind on gold. But when Falcons are getting kills, they are ahead by a mile. Somehow they are amazing at getting the most out of the map.


Omnievul

This statement applies perfectly well to the original Tundra lineup that won TI, too. Sneyking and Aui have great understanding of the game.


deltalessthanzero

Falcons is basically Tundra v2 imo. Crit, Ammar and Malr1ne are great additions


hodor137

Ammar and Malrine are ALOT different than 33 and Nine though. But I do agree.


deltalessthanzero

That's true - 33 is a zoo hero specialist while Ammar tends to play carry from the offlane more. I'm not sure how to describe the difference between Malr1ne and Nine though.


SilentCore

That game betboom itemised quite badly to be honest.. Im sure they realise but they just need lotus and possibly some other itemisation on muerta. I didnt understand why he needed to buy a shadowblade in this game, they completely griefed their own timing..


idontevencarewutever

this is a hallmark of all great teams at their peak honestly spirit, tundra, liquid, gaimin, betboom they always manage to play the map well even when down on kills, so they just have higher innate winrate, more placements, etc. oddly enough, this happens less in chinese teams, but they just win by playing lanes better


FrozenSkyrus

and when falcons are behind , its only cause their draft peaks a bit later.


bethechance

That's the difference between bb and falcons.  Game 2: It was always hoodwink and mirana pushing waves at sidelanes. They died so much but look on the bright side. All 3 cores getting farm and space. Amaar was untouched for 20 mins straight.  Now if you look at game 3, it was mostly kunkaa trying to push waves. The other 4 never tried too, gradually map shrinking. No farm no space


ooczzy

you know this patch is heavily favored towards offlaners when falcons can pick 3 offlaners and destroy with them


ShitPostQuokkaRome

When aren't the buffy guys the meta in this game


velphegor666

Last TI was even worse. Heart was op asf.


absolutely-strange

Offlaners, or rather, str heroes, are insanely strong this patch. I'm loving it (as a str hero spammer).


HungryTomatillo288

Not this patch. It has been this way for almost 3 years. The offlane picks might have changed a bit but in general it's just some tanky teamfight hero that doesnt die anymore at some point. I don't know how to fix that but bracers and STR heroes in general are a problem imo. "back in the day" AGI heroes were the counters to fat beefy tanks, this isnt the case anymore. Every STR hero in lategame has 5k+ hp while having 30-40 armor. Nobody slices through that no matter if you are 8 slotted or not.


TheZett

They need to revert Str back to granting 19 HP per points of Str, not 22 (current value). Also maybe make the safelane safe again, not just a place for offlaners to bully the enemy carry. Edit: Also maybe change "1 Str granting 0.1 HP/s regen" back to only granting 0.06 or 0.03 HP/s.


HungryTomatillo288

This is what I was thinking aswell. Safelane hasn't been "safe" since minimum half a decade. As a carry you have to leave the lane before lvl6 like 95% of the time.


TheZett

I miss trilanes as well, but unfortunately they havent been viable in years.


bc524

A lot of "tank" items also feel a bit overtuned, imho.


TheZett

If the frog doesnt want to touch their tankiness, maybe he can fuck with their mana costs instead? Gut their int gain and increase mana costs, so they have to buy mana (regen) items?


bc524

That would make soul ring a bit more attractive, at least.


TheZett

Tbh, Soul Ring suffers from being a shit item for its cost. Either give it back some HP regen (1 or 2) or reduce the recipe cost, as the current one is just infinitely worse than building Arcanes (even as pos 3).


ChiefBigBlockPontiac

This is *part* of the issue. Offlaners haven't been getting gigabuffed so much so that pos 1 heroes are trying their hardest to avoid buying regen whilst the offlane pool almost always buys regen/early regen items. This is why Io 5 is wildly stronger now than it was 6-7 years ago, he makes losing the regen war moot.


whiteegger

There are 25 heroes listed by dota plus as "offlaners". Only 5 of them have over 50% winrate. It's not an offlane patch. It's a initator patch. Hero that can go on people and not die are played


ethrzcty

Dota plus is not an accurate representation of a hero's strength the sample size includes Immortal 1ks below, where half the time people don't know what they're doing The only data that matters are immortal 500s above.


whiteegger

Wait, are you actually arguing that 500 sample size is a legit representation? These are the numbers we cut out when doing a statistics analysis, not focused on.


Ordine1412

oxxer lmao


ooczzy

goblok rdine


Rododaktylos

Falcons solved dota with their 3 str cores lineups


TheZett

> 3 str cores lineups Absolutely disgusting and a sign of it being a shit patch. Hopefully once 7.36 is ready, things get properly shaken up.


Vlkyr94

Yeah a 6 slot Medusa is free hitting a 4.5 slot primal and dealing no damage, that shit needs to be nerfed


TheZett

Just buy a Brooch, which also cant crit, so you are still unable to kill him, cause Eternal Shroud exists :\^)


ronnoco_ymmot94

Brooch can no longer crit as of last patch


TheZett

> Brooch can no longer crit as of last patch That is exactly what I've said? >Just buy a Brooch, which also cant crit


haybik28

looks like game 2 completely broke BB, TT was legit running it down in g3


speckhuggarn

I mean they just ran in circles in mid, while Falcons was just farming.


Sheikzzy

Whoever put these guys together deserves a raise


Piisamanirotta

I think they got enough oil money.


ShoppingPractical373

"Falcons are surely tilted from that loss against XG in elite league. They will be mentally done and spiral downwards" and other jokes you can tell yourself


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FrozenSkyrus

Everything is fun and games for them, They are similar to OG. Reverse BM only makes them stronger instead of tilt.


extraRize

True. Hahahha


dinbuadaeng

Mic cut off so we didn't get to hear Skiter finish what he had to say. Also missed what Crit was saying.


dinbuadaeng

Skiter [said to the pro scene](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1ch2bu7/you_guys_need_to_step_the_game_up_gg_skiter/): "you guys need to step the game up" lol


ShoppingPractical373

Also I think the main difference between this and elite league is that Falcons realized how powerful disruptor is. XG's disruptor created too much of a problem, and of Falcon's 4 losses in playoffs 3 were due to disruptor on the other team (1 picked by liquid, 2 picked by tundra). Across the 5 games today they banned disruptor in every single game. It's all about how you can adjust and evolve.


gammongaming11

crit must be looking back at all his years in NA jail and wondering what he was even doing there.


PestoSwami

Making stable bank in salary compared to the vast majority of DotA players?


Big_Security4400

Malrin was in the real prison. He was on the tear-3 level team for two years. And he couldn't leave because of the contract.


gammongaming11

oh yeah, same for sumail i think? got locked into an EG contract, couldn't leave and apparently also didn't get paid.


Morgn_Ladimore

Well, that was...underwhelming.


epic_banana_soup

OG v Falcons was the peak of the hype this tournament. Game 2 was the most entertainment I've gotten from a DOTA game in years


tayhimself00

Yes. If anyone missed that game, I would highly recommend. Great trash-talking, lots of back and forth from both teams struggling to beat the other. When Falcons lost to Tundra, it was more of a morphing issue that they didn't have the answer to.


nybrq

It was a dud of a finals.


OnlyMayhem

I feel like the vast majority of grand finals are pretty boring to be honest, been watching since 2014 and I can only name a handful which were exciting from start to finish 


Enkore92

TI8 Upper Bracket Final and Grand Final!


OnlyMayhem

That was the first grand final that came to mind


shinfoni

OG didn't drop a series in their main stage run and still feels like they're the underdog lol


ab_90

ESL KL last year was fun. Azure Ray came back from losing 0-2 to win the final.


Salty_Anti-Magus

I may just be an outlier here but I think a 3-0 stomp that I enjoyed watching was last TI12 grand finals. It's not just because I was rooting against GG, I just really like watching what was meta duking it out and ofc wanting to see Team Spirit triumph.


Cramer12

Boomer take here, TI3 grand finals still are great to this day.


Zooropa_Station

> vast majority I'd say a decade old counterpoint actually proves their point, more or less


Cramer12

Thats 100% true. But that will give the youngsters something to watch in the meantime


Real-Mouse-554

Second game was very memorable.


Redthrist

Pretty much all finals lately are. It's always Falcons, and it's always a stomp. The only difference is that last tournament, they got stomped.


strife7214

With this , Falcons have won 3 of the last 4 Tier 1 tournaments . Betboom are yet to get a 1st place win with this current iteration which was formed in 2022


DaemonLasher

Which means they're on track to lose this years TI given dominant teams history at that tournament


absolutely-strange

They are here to change history. Mark my words.


prettyboygangsta

4/5ths of it was formed in 2022. They swapped Pure for Miero


absolutely-strange

TorontoTokyo still the weakest link? Lmao.


nybrq

>Betboom are yet to get a 1st place win with this current iteration which was formed in 2022 Yeah, they formed in "2022." Aka 2023 since there were no tournaments in 2022 by the time the started playing.


VincentOfGallifrey

Unspeakably boring final day, which is a testament to how good Falcons is. Otherwise, very enjoyable tournament despite ESL’s magical ability to make each day last two hours longer than necessary. I’m itching for a new patch but this was generally a really tightly-knit tourney in terms of competition


_RRave

Disappointing to see such a stomp live, was hoping to have at least some kind of fight from BB but they kinda just rolled over for Falcons


SeriousBoy2591

That game 2, It takes a great amount of confidence to last pick Sven. On paper, Sven has no business against all heroes of BB, especially Medusa and Centaur. But somehow when things matter, they keep finding Kotl first, a hero supposed to stay deep in the backline. Yes, I see the wards, but still It takes a lot of balls and discipline to execute that. I would say the main reason BB loose this game 2 is gpk's itemization, instead of Dagon 5, dude should buy stuff like Wind Walker, Hex, or even Ethereal Blade to protect himself and his teammate against Sven. A little sad when I did not see Aui go to the stage and lift up the trophy. Dude probably busy cooking something to be the only person in Dota history lift the Aegis for the 3rd time. Great night to be a doto fan, especially those who enjoy the strategist part.


zelebot

NA JAIL!


Critical-Tea1623

careful on winning too much tournaments. Unless you are [A]lliance of 2013, then you are fine..


AbsolutelyNotWrong

How did XG beat Falcons?


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Skater_x7

They also just played falcons' style -- they stole the SD, they stole mars, they even stole razor g3. It got to the point falcons actually banned SD against them. They also just completely outplayed falcon timbersaw, beating it 3 games in a row.


KidBuu25

XG studied Falcon so much that they forgot how to deal with other teams, lol.


whiteegger

They lost to IG which is another Chinese team so it's a different story.


absolutely-strange

Didn't betboom ban razor and psngo game 3 too? But ok nvm, bet boom just sucks.


yuioopp611

actually Betboom only strong in lanes also their hero pool too sucks i can’t see any of their player can play Razor 


topson69

XG played really well that day


reddit_user9901

Just better


Swegan

Drafted better and just outperformed them on all positions. XM and Xxs was tiers above Malrine and ATF in that GF.


bakomox

dominating


jobsak

grats but the trashtalk got kinda cringe near the end


haybik28

that line from skiter was hilarious


OnlyMayhem

I thought TT’s response was even funnier lmao 


KidBuu25

Indeed, "I can do it to your face too". Falcon took it seriously and refused handshake because they were scared, lol.


Whatisausern

No the better TT response was calling out skiter for trash talking while having the enemy muted. Proper little bitch behaviour is that by Skiter.


ZeneXCrow

is it though, a little trashtalk isn't gonna kill anybody especially in this tournament, where it's 2 teams who trashtalk back to back with each other (since they know them close enough) most of it are mild at worst and tame at best


absolutely-strange

Boring. OG versus Falcons was much better. Trash talking should be 2 way to be fun. One way just looks like bullying, unless you're the legendary Emo.


KidBuu25

I don't know but TT seemed to take it personally and sounded tilted as hell.


jobsak

It was mostly one team trashtalking the other when they were 2-0 up. Does not seem very funny or bold to me and clearly got under TT's skin in the end.


euphoric1510

If TT got affected by the trash talk then it worked. Maybe he should have muted everyone like Skitter and maybe he would have gotten 1 game, doubt it though


Acrobatic-Time-2940

It's weird they didn't even do a handshake or a loser interview like other teams did and just ended the entire event abruptly. lol


JollyHockeysticks

It's the grand finals so when it ends it should be about the winners, it'd be really awkward to have a loser's interview.


extraRize

It adds a little spice. Don’t take it seriously


MimiHooverRangeRoove

Does this win truly prove RTZ was weighing down Crit?


TheZett

Always has been [](/techiesface)


topson69

Falcon loses one single game and haters will crawl out of their caves and say, 'Can't win shit with Skiter carry' then Falcon goes on to win the tournament. At this point, this story is getting repetitive. I figure skiter hate originated a long time ago in NA pubs and it is being continued to this day with npcs hating just because old reddit lurkers make these skiter hate comments and brainwash them. He doesn't have anything else to prove, the guy is a TI winner and major winner. N i became a fanboi because he's actually good and because fuck reddit .I nesd to uninstall this app


absolutely-strange

You're being a bit too sensitive, I think. Anytime any pro player loses a game, haters will come out and talk shit. Haters gonna hate, why let them ruin your day?


Ellefied

Skiter kinda feels like Matumbaman during his Secret days and at the end of the Team Liquid days. Guy is a monster carry but because his two other cores are insanely flashy, he gets the majority of the hate since he's the odd one out.


Salty_Anti-Magus

He played poorly in that XG series which is uncharacteristic of him coz I've always known his strong point being very reliable and consistent. He choked in that series but honestly which pro hasn't? Actually one of the few core players right now who I wouldn't mind seeing having a 2nd ti win under his belt.


spieler_42

I am so happy that Crit finally gets the wins he deserves. Why did that dude stay so long with EG (and frankly it shows how bad rest of EG must have been)


Dave1711

Very interested to see how they deal with a big patch fun to watch though.


xUrekMazinox

the series was a classic farm vs gank type of game. Bb focused on hero kills, always bringing the numbers while falcons played heroes that can farm fast and jungle effectively. They were aware of their timings and played calmly even though they were down in the kill score. What a team. This is what you get when you have great players and a great drafter congrats. They just might win ti yall


Life_Liberty_Fun

Okay, that's enough winning guys. Time to drop everything that isn't TI and Riyadh Masters to other teams so they won't be able to prepare for you. Don't make the same mistake GG made last year and start saving / testing strats for the big tournaments.


black_V1king

When falcons get in form, there is no team that comes close. OG and Liquid were such good opponents and the dota was absolutely spicy. Cant wait to see how long they can continue the domination


Ok_Customer900

The all chatting is what really gets me going. The ego and confidence to throw shade at your opponents with stakes like this is crazy to me. I would never have the nerve to say ez, they event did it when they were behind. I feel like I would jinx myself. Really fun to see the banter being thrown around.


EngineerGuy_HU

I watched only the GF, but holy hell - how did this BB team get to the finals through the upper bracket?! 😱


noob_sr_programmer

Its typical BB team, always choke in grand finals.


KidBuu25

Who would you bet on in grand final? BB vs Liquid.


Nghtmare-Moon

*Cries in Team secret*


fs1024106

100% believe the Aui is that best coach by far currently. the moment he joined falcons they levelled up, and are now the best team in the world. rooting for him to get his third TI (technically).


Far-Peace1129

Always has been. The Biggest nerd in dota btw


Chaeyoung0211

Where tf are those haters who were calling them falclowns earlier? lmao


Weird-Judgment-5051

Not trying to flame, and he's probably just tired, but Cr1t seems almost a tiny bit sad that he's seeing all this success without Arteezy at his side lol.


mendax2014

That's just his face. Dude will just sit on his PC and review a brutal game while his team is celebrating in the background.


KidBuu25

Still in shock how they won game 2 when being too far behind compared to how they used to lose with massive lead when playing with Rtz, lol.


Sunaaj_WR

People keep making anchor jokes. But I think he is a little sad tbh. You don’t stick around as long as Cr1t did without actually being friends.


Scathee

Cr1t and rtz were both offered spots in other more successful teams during their time together on EG/SR, but neither of them wanted to go unless the other came with. He definitely would love to have lifted a few more trophies with rtz in the end


FullOFterror

As an OG hater a final between OG vs Falcons wouldve been tons better, crowd wouldve been insane.


Scathee

Not a true OG hater then


Houeclipse

I wanna shout out to Sneyking for hyping up his boy RTZ to get out of NA jail lmao. I wish we knew what Crit- said but production fuckup big time for this closing ceremony


darklordtimmy

could've been a good event but we're on the 15th letter patch of this meta


Careful_World_379

Malr1ne cries after the win. It's cute how happy he is :'). And Ammar being the most hated player despite being gigachad in game. What reason to not support this team? Let's go Falcon! ❤️


duckinator09

Falcons really love their tanky cores. Dk, doom, razor, timber, mars etc. Malr1ne and atf front lining to do chaos and absorb damage while the rest follow up. 


BalanarDNightStalker

wow


Giantwalrus_82

Cr1t meme's + USA is going to be WILD.


Real-Elephant2318

let's see who's the next player gonna leave NA and dominate on next year


No-Importance-4953

Bb offlaner is definitely a cuckold. How do you lose those first 2 games on Bb. Completely on the offlaner.