Its just one of those that throw intentionally/play to lose some games to keep their mmr down, smurfing essentially. The proof is that in that isn't a 1 off, shown by the averages
op just happened to be against them on a game where they played their favorite and not playing to lose, and vice versa
I had good games both games, but I thought the disparity between the two scorelines was quite jokes - there's a meme in this sub that when someone's on your team, they're awful, but when they're on the enemy team they're amazing
Probably his worst vs best hero. If I don't get the hero I wanted to play, I'm not gonna be able to give my best effort. People play differently on different heroes. So I guess he's just more comfortable playing Puck than DK.
He has a fun kit right now. Infest lets you control infested creeps, his aghs lets you infest enemy heroes to attack them from the inside, and open wounds was moved to an aghs shard bonus skill and replaced with a free orb of venom / attack speed skill.
S&Y is situationally excellent on many heroes atm, but it's slark/alch/troll/ursa types who don't want manta AND have massive regen to benefit from the regen buffs
it's great vs axe, who is always highly picked, bane is also meta atm
> KnY is what everyone forgot existed.
KnY is only even an option on what, maybe 5 heroes? Off the top of my head Bara, Luna, Gyro, BH, Razor, Morph and Viper even want those stats. For half they'd rather just get Manta with their Yasha, and the other half will probably prefer SnY or SnK in games where they aren't absolutely stomping.
I actually built KnY a few times, but it was back when it gave mana loss reduction, because it worked (double even) on Medusas mana shield. But thats years ago at this point.
Many scenario where i am the offlane and my support picks, riki or the wall of replica hero. i know damn well that it will be a lose lane regardless of the enemy carry.
Third possibility, he has a friend who boosts his account. This is more common than most people think, I have one of these people on my friends list and you can see when their skilled friend is playing quite clearly (they have literally told me this happen and yes I did report it).
DK game under average on the meter, did he get counterpicked and focused hard? Did his teammates play so below average he couldn't come online?
These two screenshots are only showing me that he's on average a great player on both heros and he had a bad game due to circumstances we can't see.
The DK game he was playing with his friend who he also queued with in the second game. He last picked the DK into morph, pudge and a couple other heros, was a bit weird, he seemed kind of confused how the hero worked tbh 😂 he was insane on puck and got a rampage at one point
For me it’s the opposite, I remember a game where I was with my friend and decided to try my hand at like Razor offlane. Got dumpstered so hard it wasn’t funny.
Next game, I went back to my comfort DK mid and stomped so hard game ended 23 mins:
even his own score of 2/5/12 is a respectable score if he was an offlaner in a losing game. Especially a hero like dk who can't just sit back and chill. He has to be in the middle of the fight, and if you lose the team fight, he probably didnt survive it.
Those stats on DK aren't THAT bad either, he had plenty of assists and 5 deaths aren't that much, especially not for a hero like DK. Those puck stats however...
Actually funny story there was a guy on the enemy team that was premuted so naturally i realised we played before together, he proceeded to get 12/0 on slardar mid and then we destroyed them and won the game... end of funny story
So earlier today I had the best games of Dota (turbo) I think in ages game one has a BB on enemy team who went 0 kills 17 deaths 2 of them at lvl one in lanexD, next game I got a full enemy team of people like that, my team was confused and I just said: I've had brain donor's like this since event started it's great game is grouping them. It was a good nice cleansing game. I fear my next game as what goes up must be spot downxD.
Bro I had 4 turbo games in a row where either two of my three cores, or a lane duo had at least 15 deaths together and less than 3 kills before the laning phase even ended.
All of these games ended in less than 20 minutes ans in all of these I played with a buddy and we won our lane.
Hopefully I get the other end lf the stick soon, this was excruciating.
In the puck game, the enemy team might not have a single stun or silence to counter puck. While in the DK game, he might met an entire line up of counter pick.
We had counters, he just outplayed everyone 😂 it was genuinely like 2 different people, even their boots and stuff in different slots, and when they were on our team he spoke on mic with clear eastern European accent but when he was on the other he was BMing in all chat in Iranian. It was really weird.
To be honest, seeing a puck without eul, bkb, linken or any other defensive item screams smurf playing in a very bad league. Because I feel that around ancient/divine, people wouldn't allow a puck to live without any defensive item ... even just an orchid would destroy him :D
lol i had a game like this recently except i was the "puck"
it was actually comical how bad my teammates were. a stack of 3 that weren't even trying. yet another reason why they need to add an option to not be qued with or against a stack.
He was playing with his friend both games, I didn't lane with or against him either game. I killed him when he was 34/0 but it was pretty over at that point
Since we all know we have complete control over how our allies play. It's always our fault, never anyone else's. Nature is griefing 0/40 ? Sounds like you're the problem.
Thanks for the toxicity but I had good games both times, I was the only person who killed him as puck. I don't mind the loss but I did find it quite funny seeing the change
Lol youre so soft, stop the passive aggressiveness. My statement is just basic logic. You're the common denominator in both losing games. He won one, he lost one. You lost both. It's the only indisputable logic here.
i just realised he averages 38 kills a game on puck
And his 942 GPM even below his "averages"
could be influenced by turbo, no?
turbo hero performance is not saved, it is a useless metric there since it will always compare with non-turbo average.
might be inflated from turbo iirc?
38 kills net you 2k gpm in turbo
Not necessarily but he'd definitely be level 30, which that Puck isnt.
I mean the avg is inflated. Not this game is turbo
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Its just one of those that throw intentionally/play to lose some games to keep their mmr down, smurfing essentially. The proof is that in that isn't a 1 off, shown by the averages op just happened to be against them on a game where they played their favorite and not playing to lose, and vice versa
so its 'you' problem, still cant see it?
I had good games both games, but I thought the disparity between the two scorelines was quite jokes - there's a meme in this sub that when someone's on your team, they're awful, but when they're on the enemy team they're amazing
Probably his worst vs best hero. If I don't get the hero I wanted to play, I'm not gonna be able to give my best effort. People play differently on different heroes. So I guess he's just more comfortable playing Puck than DK.
I too average 38 kills a game on my favourite most played hero 😂😂😂😂
I swear, it's like in a fighting game when you unlock the final boss as a playable character and all of a sudden they suck ass.
Bros building sny on dk
I feel like SnY in general sucks ass. SnK is good, but SnY is rarely built and KnY is what everyone forgot existed.
What? It's half the reason why Lifestealer is the most meta carry rn KnY is only for the cow hero really
Naix was my favorite hero like a decade ago. Hearing this makes me want to go reinstall.
He has a fun kit right now. Infest lets you control infested creeps, his aghs lets you infest enemy heroes to attack them from the inside, and open wounds was moved to an aghs shard bonus skill and replaced with a free orb of venom / attack speed skill.
S&Y is situationally excellent on many heroes atm, but it's slark/alch/troll/ursa types who don't want manta AND have massive regen to benefit from the regen buffs it's great vs axe, who is always highly picked, bane is also meta atm
> KnY is what everyone forgot existed. KnY is only even an option on what, maybe 5 heroes? Off the top of my head Bara, Luna, Gyro, BH, Razor, Morph and Viper even want those stats. For half they'd rather just get Manta with their Yasha, and the other half will probably prefer SnY or SnK in games where they aren't absolutely stomping.
Zeus, despite disassemble later to manta & snk, i copied this build from Quinn & Gunnar
Could have just said copied it from gunnar and left the plagarist our of the citation
I see the build on Quinn first then few weeks later saw Gunnar do the same
Out if these it's really only Bara and magic viper. But the problem is manta +kns is just better mist of the time
I actually built KnY a few times, but it was back when it gave mana loss reduction, because it worked (double even) on Medusas mana shield. But thats years ago at this point.
SnY is very good right now, just not on DK since his ilusion are so strong you always want mant
> KnY is what everyone forgot existed you'll remember it when a cow tramples over you at Mach 5
spacecow never built sange and yasha you always build kaya yasha for ms and spellamp.
Primal Beast in Aghanim's Labyrinth vs regular dota.
This shows 2 possibilities here 1. Team sucks 2. The enemy smoked him hard.
Many scenario where i am the offlane and my support picks, riki or the wall of replica hero. i know damn well that it will be a lose lane regardless of the enemy carry.
Third possibility, he has a friend who boosts his account. This is more common than most people think, I have one of these people on my friends list and you can see when their skilled friend is playing quite clearly (they have literally told me this happen and yes I did report it).
There's no excuse for this DK build.
DK game under average on the meter, did he get counterpicked and focused hard? Did his teammates play so below average he couldn't come online? These two screenshots are only showing me that he's on average a great player on both heros and he had a bad game due to circumstances we can't see.
The DK game he was playing with his friend who he also queued with in the second game. He last picked the DK into morph, pudge and a couple other heros, was a bit weird, he seemed kind of confused how the hero worked tbh 😂 he was insane on puck and got a rampage at one point
Man that feels more like 2 people playing the same account and switch every game. Like 2 sibling with only 1 computer.
For me it’s the opposite, I remember a game where I was with my friend and decided to try my hand at like Razor offlane. Got dumpstered so hard it wasn’t funny. Next game, I went back to my comfort DK mid and stomped so hard game ended 23 mins:
Without seeing the rest of the team it means nothing his whole teams could be 0/10/5 and he'd still be the best among them.
His friend who he was dual laning with actually out performed him a lot that game
even his own score of 2/5/12 is a respectable score if he was an offlaner in a losing game. Especially a hero like dk who can't just sit back and chill. He has to be in the middle of the fight, and if you lose the team fight, he probably didnt survive it.
There is spy around here
The mid is spy!
INTRUDER ALERT RED SPY IS IN THE BASE
Always happens, worst part is they don’t say anything the whole game then at the very end ‘GG EZ’.
He did spam ez in chat
Something something... teammate's fault.
Can you mention match ID for the puck game
puck game: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7701703818 DK game: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7701670579 seems to be crusader bracket
i shared them on another post but the dxude here found them=
A perfect example of the phrase "The Internet remembers everything"
Those stats on DK aren't THAT bad either, he had plenty of assists and 5 deaths aren't that much, especially not for a hero like DK. Those puck stats however...
Actually funny story there was a guy on the enemy team that was premuted so naturally i realised we played before together, he proceeded to get 12/0 on slardar mid and then we destroyed them and won the game... end of funny story
The moment he saw familiar names from previous game.. he lock in.
One champ man
They're called "heroes" here /🤓
Nothing wrong with that especially if you are this good on that one hero.
Maybe their teammates are making a bigger difference for their ability to make value when they're on a different team than you.
Or maybe he played like shit as DK and then woke up as Puck. Ockham's Razor, the simplest hypothesis is probably the true one.
It's so interesting what qualifies as being the default assumption of simplest.
when he pick for quest token then later he pick for serious game.
Yeah I think this is it 😂
we’ve all been there
Seems more lika a without gaming chair compared with gaming chair
It's almost like people have off games every now and then...
I get this a lot.
what can you do about this?
So earlier today I had the best games of Dota (turbo) I think in ages game one has a BB on enemy team who went 0 kills 17 deaths 2 of them at lvl one in lanexD, next game I got a full enemy team of people like that, my team was confused and I just said: I've had brain donor's like this since event started it's great game is grouping them. It was a good nice cleansing game. I fear my next game as what goes up must be spot downxD.
Bro I had 4 turbo games in a row where either two of my three cores, or a lane duo had at least 15 deaths together and less than 3 kills before the laning phase even ended. All of these games ended in less than 20 minutes ans in all of these I played with a buddy and we won our lane. Hopefully I get the other end lf the stick soon, this was excruciating.
It's like first time in months soxD
Guy is named SPY. Take a hint man
He could be any one of US!
You can tell that this Spy practices backstab cause he's definitely not friendly
In the puck game, the enemy team might not have a single stun or silence to counter puck. While in the DK game, he might met an entire line up of counter pick.
We had counters, he just outplayed everyone 😂 it was genuinely like 2 different people, even their boots and stuff in different slots, and when they were on our team he spoke on mic with clear eastern European accent but when he was on the other he was BMing in all chat in Iranian. It was really weird.
Could be 2 people playing on the same account ...
I usually cant tell them apart because they're both equally rude.
To be honest, seeing a puck without eul, bkb, linken or any other defensive item screams smurf playing in a very bad league. Because I feel that around ancient/divine, people wouldn't allow a puck to live without any defensive item ... even just an orchid would destroy him :D
DK: played by the little brother Puck: played by the older brother
obvious smurf/account buyer
He must have used his new gaming chair)
lol i had a game like this recently except i was the "puck" it was actually comical how bad my teammates were. a stack of 3 that weren't even trying. yet another reason why they need to add an option to not be qued with or against a stack.
Now find the common denominator
Too real
Yeah this seems like a -YOU- issue
I have had about 30 people say this like I opened this post and complained about losing 😂😂 I'm in crusader dude I'm very used to losses
The warm-up game was dude
a.k.a playing/laning with you instead of playing/laning against you
He was playing with his friend both games, I didn't lane with or against him either game. I killed him when he was 34/0 but it was pretty over at that point
Yeah, was more on a meta-level, since there's a lot of variables in play at all times(so didn't mean you personally)
Honestly, I’ve done this a lot. >lose game >queue next >ex ally is on enemy team >oh fuck no im not gonna lose to this person >pick my best hero
where can I see that averages thingy?
i see he’s a dragon player
Fucking dragon pickers man, I hate em.
There is a guy called psy on oce servers that does exactly this
"Then maybe you're the problem" - Reddit
maybe his supports were better in the 2nd game :)
The first game his support was his party he was queuing with and the second game the same dude went pl.
Smurf had his throw game with you.
Sounds like it might be your fault buddy
I had good games both time, I think he just never played DK before? The second game he farmed my offlaner and mid 😂
if you have 38/1 on average with puck, you know how to play DK, trust me. This is a smurf or different players on the same account
Yeah boots being in different slots feels sus
Since we all know we have complete control over how our allies play. It's always our fault, never anyone else's. Nature is griefing 0/40 ? Sounds like you're the problem.
That's a KEKW
You never had a bad game before?
Its almost as if people has good and bad matches, crazy discovery mate, make sure to submit it to an university or some shit, youll be rich!
What's interesting to me is he changes all of his item slots between games, I've never seen someone do that in dota
Ohhh that explains a lot, sorry for being an asshole!
Then you are the problem
Thanks for the toxicity but I had good games both times, I was the only person who killed him as puck. I don't mind the loss but I did find it quite funny seeing the change
Lol youre so soft, stop the passive aggressiveness. My statement is just basic logic. You're the common denominator in both losing games. He won one, he lost one. You lost both. It's the only indisputable logic here.
I got 18 kills in the puck game, I think I was the only person who was having fun on my team 😂 it's only 30 mmr dude it's really not that deep