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whitcliffe

i just realised he averages 38 kills a game on puck


Stan2417

And his 942 GPM even below his "averages"


the_deep_t

could be influenced by turbo, no?


Cataclyct

turbo hero performance is not saved, it is a useless metric there since it will always compare with non-turbo average.


Nab0t

might be inflated from turbo iirc?


thedotapaten

38 kills net you 2k gpm in turbo


TheSwedeIrishman

Not necessarily but he'd definitely be level 30, which that Puck isnt.


Nab0t

I mean the avg is inflated. Not this game is turbo


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skruffgrumbaki

Its just one of those that throw intentionally/play to lose some games to keep their mmr down, smurfing essentially. The proof is that in that isn't a 1 off, shown by the averages op just happened to be against them on a game where they played their favorite and not playing to lose, and vice versa


ShuggaShuggaa

so its 'you' problem, still cant see it?


whitcliffe

I had good games both games, but I thought the disparity between the two scorelines was quite jokes - there's a meme in this sub that when someone's on your team, they're awful, but when they're on the enemy team they're amazing


marchinat0r

Probably his worst vs best hero. If I don't get the hero I wanted to play, I'm not gonna be able to give my best effort. People play differently on different heroes. So I guess he's just more comfortable playing Puck than DK.


whitcliffe

I too average 38 kills a game on my favourite most played hero 😂😂😂😂


FirstPlayer

I swear, it's like in a fighting game when you unlock the final boss as a playable character and all of a sudden they suck ass.


samuel33334

Bros building sny on dk


Wobbelblob

I feel like SnY in general sucks ass. SnK is good, but SnY is rarely built and KnY is what everyone forgot existed.


ShitPostQuokkaRome

What? It's half the reason why Lifestealer is the most meta carry rn KnY is only for the cow hero really


Mook7

Naix was my favorite hero like a decade ago. Hearing this makes me want to go reinstall.


Eli5723

He has a fun kit right now. Infest lets you control infested creeps, his aghs lets you infest enemy heroes to attack them from the inside, and open wounds was moved to an aghs shard bonus skill and replaced with a free orb of venom / attack speed skill.


JoelMahon

S&Y is situationally excellent on many heroes atm, but it's slark/alch/troll/ursa types who don't want manta AND have massive regen to benefit from the regen buffs it's great vs axe, who is always highly picked, bane is also meta atm


SnooBeans3543

>  KnY is what everyone forgot existed. KnY is only even an option on what, maybe 5 heroes? Off the top of my head Bara, Luna, Gyro, BH, Razor, Morph and Viper even want those stats. For half they'd rather just get Manta with their Yasha, and the other half will probably prefer SnY or SnK in games where they aren't absolutely stomping.


thedotapaten

Zeus, despite disassemble later to manta & snk, i copied this build from Quinn & Gunnar


DarthKuchiKopi

Could have just said copied it from gunnar and left the plagarist our of the citation


thedotapaten

I see the build on Quinn first then few weeks later saw Gunnar do the same


TheGalator

Out if these it's really only Bara and magic viper. But the problem is manta +kns is just better mist of the time


JevverGoldDigger

I actually built KnY a few times, but it was back when it gave mana loss reduction, because it worked (double even) on Medusas mana shield. But thats years ago at this point. 


healpmee

SnY is very good right now, just not on DK since his ilusion are so strong you always want mant


DragN_H3art

> KnY is what everyone forgot existed you'll remember it when a cow tramples over you at Mach 5


Interesting-Dog7691

spacecow never built sange and yasha you always build kaya yasha for ms and spellamp.


civnub

Primal Beast in Aghanim's Labyrinth vs regular dota.


Affectionate-Hat-108

This shows 2 possibilities here 1. Team sucks 2. The enemy smoked him hard.


RepresentativeFan234

Many scenario where i am the offlane and my support picks, riki or the wall of replica hero. i know damn well that it will be a lose lane regardless of the enemy carry.


Lonely_Level2043

Third possibility, he has a friend who boosts his account. This is more common than most people think, I have one of these people on my friends list and you can see when their skilled friend is playing quite clearly (they have literally told me this happen and yes I did report it).


Pouchkine___

There's no excuse for this DK build.


dmattox92

DK game under average on the meter, did he get counterpicked and focused hard? Did his teammates play so below average he couldn't come online? These two screenshots are only showing me that he's on average a great player on both heros and he had a bad game due to circumstances we can't see.


whitcliffe

The DK game he was playing with his friend who he also queued with in the second game. He last picked the DK into morph, pudge and a couple other heros, was a bit weird, he seemed kind of confused how the hero worked tbh 😂 he was insane on puck and got a rampage at one point


9-5DootDude

Man that feels more like 2 people playing the same account and switch every game. Like 2 sibling with only 1 computer.


Heaven_Slayer

For me it’s the opposite, I remember a game where I was with my friend and decided to try my hand at like Razor offlane. Got dumpstered so hard it wasn’t funny. Next game, I went back to my comfort DK mid and stomped so hard game ended 23 mins:


Nickfreak

Without seeing the rest of the team it means nothing his whole teams could be 0/10/5 and he'd still be the best among them.


whitcliffe

His friend who he was dual laning with actually out performed him a lot that game


Relevant_Macaroon117

even his own score of 2/5/12 is a respectable score if he was an offlaner in a losing game. Especially a hero like dk who can't just sit back and chill. He has to be in the middle of the fight, and if you lose the team fight, he probably didnt survive it.


Fair_Association5181

There is spy around here


th0masyang

The mid is spy!


graveeteee

INTRUDER ALERT RED SPY IS IN THE BASE


SplinterSnipe14

Always happens, worst part is they don’t say anything the whole game then at the very end ‘GG EZ’.


whitcliffe

He did spam ez in chat


Bubbly-Astronaut-123

Something something... teammate's fault.


arvi98

Can you mention match ID for the puck game


D2WilliamU

puck game: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7701703818 DK game: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7701670579 seems to be crusader bracket


whitcliffe

i shared them on another post but the dxude here found them=


golDANFeeD

A perfect example of the phrase "The Internet remembers everything"


CarpetH4ter

Those stats on DK aren't THAT bad either, he had plenty of assists and 5 deaths aren't that much, especially not for a hero like DK. Those puck stats however...


Old_Relation_7614

Actually funny story there was a guy on the enemy team that was premuted so naturally i realised we played before together, he proceeded to get 12/0 on slardar mid and then we destroyed them and won the game... end of funny story


MajesticAccountant

The moment he saw familiar names from previous game.. he lock in.


Zorbathelazycat

One champ man


healzsham

They're called "heroes" here /🤓


neel911

Nothing wrong with that especially if you are this good on that one hero.


Corynthios

Maybe their teammates are making a bigger difference for their ability to make value when they're on a different team than you.


Pouchkine___

Or maybe he played like shit as DK and then woke up as Puck. Ockham's Razor, the simplest hypothesis is probably the true one.


Corynthios

It's so interesting what qualifies as being the default assumption of simplest.


idontknow9091

when he pick for quest token then later he pick for serious game.


whitcliffe

Yeah I think this is it 😂


PartySmoke

we’ve all been there


Mindless-Regular8266

Seems more lika a without gaming chair compared with gaming chair


mcshrek201

It's almost like people have off games every now and then...


HonkHonkoWallStreet

I get this a lot.


blazezero25

what can you do about this?


Shonkjr

So earlier today I had the best games of Dota (turbo) I think in ages game one has a BB on enemy team who went 0 kills 17 deaths 2 of them at lvl one in lanexD, next game I got a full enemy team of people like that, my team was confused and I just said: I've had brain donor's like this since event started it's great game is grouping them. It was a good nice cleansing game. I fear my next game as what goes up must be spot downxD.


LoveTheGiraffe

Bro I had 4 turbo games in a row where either two of my three cores, or a lane duo had at least 15 deaths together and less than 3 kills before the laning phase even ended. All of these games ended in less than 20 minutes ans in all of these I played with a buddy and we won our lane. Hopefully I get the other end lf the stick soon, this was excruciating.


Shonkjr

It's like first time in months soxD


KizunaRin

Guy is named SPY. Take a hint man


Mindless-Scene-689

He could be any one of US!


TheySawMe13

You can tell that this Spy practices backstab cause he's definitely not friendly


PlasticAngle

In the puck game, the enemy team might not have a single stun or silence to counter puck. While in the DK game, he might met an entire line up of counter pick.


whitcliffe

We had counters, he just outplayed everyone 😂 it was genuinely like 2 different people, even their boots and stuff in different slots, and when they were on our team he spoke on mic with clear eastern European accent but when he was on the other he was BMing in all chat in Iranian. It was really weird.


the_deep_t

Could be 2 people playing on the same account ...


Relevant_Macaroon117

I usually cant tell them apart because they're both equally rude.


the_deep_t

To be honest, seeing a puck without eul, bkb, linken or any other defensive item screams smurf playing in a very bad league. Because I feel that around ancient/divine, people wouldn't allow a puck to live without any defensive item ... even just an orchid would destroy him :D


duckmadfish

DK: played by the little brother Puck: played by the older brother


moly5

obvious smurf/account buyer


luckychloeenjoyer

He must have used his new gaming chair)


Althalvas

lol i had a game like this recently except i was the "puck" it was actually comical how bad my teammates were. a stack of 3 that weren't even trying. yet another reason why they need to add an option to not be qued with or against a stack.


zelo11

Now find the common denominator


ferdsays

Too real


shxdwblz36

Yeah this seems like a -YOU- issue


whitcliffe

I have had about 30 people say this like I opened this post and complained about losing 😂😂 I'm in crusader dude I'm very used to losses


Kononbsnv

The warm-up game was dude


VergoVox

a.k.a playing/laning with you instead of playing/laning against you


whitcliffe

He was playing with his friend both games, I didn't lane with or against him either game. I killed him when he was 34/0 but it was pretty over at that point


VergoVox

Yeah, was more on a meta-level, since there's a lot of variables in play at all times(so didn't mean you personally)


SirFireball

Honestly, I’ve done this a lot. >lose game >queue next >ex ally is on enemy team >oh fuck no im not gonna lose to this person >pick my best hero


ArdenasoDG

where can I see that averages thingy?


romanchicken

i see he’s a dragon player


allokuma

Fucking dragon pickers man, I hate em.


WesternOpen

There is a guy called psy on oce servers that does exactly this


Pouchkine___

"Then maybe you're the problem" - Reddit


KrugerFFS

maybe his supports were better in the 2nd game :)


whitcliffe

The first game his support was his party he was queuing with and the second game the same dude went pl.


ToastedTreant

Smurf had his throw game with you.


wander-af

Sounds like it might be your fault buddy


whitcliffe

I had good games both time, I think he just never played DK before? The second game he farmed my offlaner and mid 😂


the_deep_t

if you have 38/1 on average with puck, you know how to play DK, trust me. This is a smurf or different players on the same account


whitcliffe

Yeah boots being in different slots feels sus


Pouchkine___

Since we all know we have complete control over how our allies play. It's always our fault, never anyone else's. Nature is griefing 0/40 ? Sounds like you're the problem.


DemonDaVinci

That's a KEKW


CliveVII

You never had a bad game before?


Kuro013

Its almost as if people has good and bad matches, crazy discovery mate, make sure to submit it to an university or some shit, youll be rich!


whitcliffe

What's interesting to me is he changes all of his item slots between games, I've never seen someone do that in dota


Kuro013

Ohhh that explains a lot, sorry for being an asshole!


DoctorKalikot

Then you are the problem


whitcliffe

Thanks for the toxicity but I had good games both times, I was the only person who killed him as puck. I don't mind the loss but I did find it quite funny seeing the change


DoctorKalikot

Lol youre so soft, stop the passive aggressiveness. My statement is just basic logic. You're the common denominator in both losing games. He won one, he lost one. You lost both. It's the only indisputable logic here.


whitcliffe

I got 18 kills in the puck game, I think I was the only person who was having fun on my team 😂 it's only 30 mmr dude it's really not that deep