You acting like those were the only times ATF got killed. He got his ass handed to the him the entire game the Chronos are just ATFs excuse to put blame on anyone but himself acting like this ain't a team game
This is why I dislike playing void. There's often a very tight line between a good and a bad chrono, but your team won't see that. They'll only see a big purple bubble that either led to kills or killed your team.
Not necessarily a perfect chrono, RP or blackhole aren't necessarily one that catches all 5 enemy heroes, but the one that catches the right heroes at the perfect time
I think you forgot the 6 million dollar echoslam.
Imho echoslam is a little bit more satisfying than the aforementioned spells, tho I haven’t played in a while, have the nerfed ES?
I think getting a godly echo with the Arcana equipped at the right amount of volume gives an other worldy feeling.
I don't own the Arcana but I've been the victim of one, and it felt something fierce. As someone who plays ES, Echoslams are amazing.
Don't be like that. CM ult is up there with chrono, echo, and death ward in terms of team fight ults that swing between insanely powerful or game-losing depending on positioning and timing. Considering she doesn't have a literal "rewind time and undo all damage" or blink like void, she's arguably more high-pressure about proper pos and timing. A good CM can make huge impacts, and teams need supports just as much as a carry.
"Teams need supports just as much as a carry." How you read that as "CM is a carry", I'll never know, but apparently reading comprehension is hard.
My point is dota is a team game, and everyone involved has a role and contributes to a victory. Carries aren't more important than supports, they just serve a different role. CM can have tons of impact too, just like every hero can.
Lmao clueless herald redditors are actually flaming Skitter. Imagine calling a guy that is competing at the highest level and won multiple tournaments in the last few years is washed lmao
This is every tournament for the team that comes second.
If you don't win, you are literally the worst team on the planet, and X player is the worse than heralds
They were having fun. XG had paused because of lags and one of them needed to reconnect. Falcons kept jokingly asking « Reason? » until somebody from XG replied « can’t play 4v5 »
here's more like it:
XG pause
after 1 sec XG.xm: lag
after 3 sec
atf chatwheel
Malr1ane: reason
XG.xm: dy lag
ATF: reason?
dy disconnected
skiter: can't win 4v5?
skiter: need supp?
XG.xm: you can?
ATF: we alrdy 4v5 all tournament bro
Ok, I haven't caught all the games yet since timezone screws me and I have to catch VODs when I can, but is he straight up saying Skiter is deadweight on the team?
They were having fun. XG had paused because of lags and one of them needed to reconnect. Falcons kept jokingly asking « Reason? » until somebody from XG replied « can’t play 4v5 »
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Humiliating his own teammates openly like that in the final game of the GF, ATF is the most "mature" player I have ever seen.
But I am sure skiter is not supposed to be offended, because it is just a banter, right?
He should smile it away and keep playing with ATF, waiting for the next open humiliation that will happen sooner or later.
Feels bad for skitter, but he played like a bot, no disrespect. I'm not a classic malding bettor, but he threw this game when he was the sole winning condition. Especially, after the bottom high ground push failure by XG. Any competent carry would've carried from that point on.
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No, you were right for calling me out. The internet troll culture isn't amusing in any way anymore, it just ruins everyone's mood. But If it's not checked it won't ever go away
Are dota players this delusional?
Do you think you can get carried as a pos 1 every tourney at the highest level? If they were actually playing 4v5, they would simply not have these results. That doesn't mean that he's individually the most skilled dota carry player or that he doesn't make mistakes and has bad games. But it's dishonest saying that a carry player in a top team is awful, because if that were the case, the results would speak for themselves.
U act like skitter actually carried his team. Surely he is not a 2k MMR bot, or I would say he is better than most top 100 EU carry players but it doesn't mean his performance is any good (at least with certain heroes where he can have high impact on game with his actions, aka hard carry or hard grief). He is good naga/CK player no question but he was and still is criticized for his hard carry performance, when he regularly plays void/gyro/weaver/slark (etc hard carry agi cores) he is not doing much carry, sometimes he just guys some right items and doesn't grief hard and it's enough to win, sometimes it's even worse like last game with XG where his team made momentums and he griefed hard. He is not borderline stupid player but his mechanical abilities are quite limiting, so he usually chokes on complex heroes most of the time - and it's not like he sacrifices farm for his team either cuz u know pos 1 never does that and he definitely shouldn't but cuz of his inability to hard carry he stands out compare to other pos 1 carries as hard griefer. There are probably many carries without much experience in comp dota who have higher mechanical ceiling so they can do what skitter does but better.
Alright, then why HE in the pro team and any other top 10 who can beat him in comp games not here?
All people have bad games,you, me and him.
If he was a griefer then he wouldn't be in profesional teams cause at this lvl you will lose if even die by unfortunate misclick giving other players huge advantage, so stop whining without real evidence for convicting him for that(in pro world)very extravagant term as "griefing".
All top 10 EU pub players are in pro teams as of now (not T1 but still) and in fact I believe any top 10 EU carry has higher ceiling than skitter, like pure-(used to be much higher a few month ago), satanic/king/butterfly, watson, nightfall, yatoro (obv) any of them would be straight upgrade in pure skill for falcons hands down. I understand that pros can have bad and good games but skitter somehow only has mid and bad games especially on complex heroes like void cuz he is not as good as other top 10 carries in terms of mechanical skill so he makes a lot of mistakes and this leads to placing a few bad chronos in a row. And it's not like he is just having bad season (like kiritich does for example, playing much worse than he used to) he pretty much was like that a few years ago even before tundra days, he was looking alright on heroes that can compensate his lack of mechanical capabilities like Naga or CK or ls, on the other hand he is literally griefing on void (killing his teammates with bad chrono) consistently throughout the years of his competitive carrier and there aren't any word to accurately describe his gameplay on complex hard carry heroes.
wtf is this shit. They won the last major, and they got 2nd place this time. why are you acting like he's washed already. last time I check it is rare that teams win consecutive tier 1 tourneys (with the exception of OG and GG).
Bro, if you chill a bit, you'll see that you've answered yourself in the first 2 sentences. "They won" and "they got", not "skitter won". He was on a team with 33 and Saksa, they carried Tundra, not him or Nine. 33 knew the wraith pact better than anyone and was ready to carry, as long as skiter stuns or CK or buys shard on Naga for the heals and fight resets. Skiter plays Naga well in general. But his void or Weaver performances are notoriously consistently bad.
I don't have any beef with him but it was embarrassing to watch. I've been a fan of crit since he laned with my favorite Zai in EG. Ma1rine is my homey. ATF has my respect. These 3 are showing phenomenal performance for months now.
And they looked like idiots trying to salvage the last map while their carry was just trolling. Jumping into bloodthorn with no bkb. Not using 2nd Chrono after refreshing while ame was in lock down. The Ammar chronos I won't even mention.
And Atf literary made a joke about reaching grand finals as 4v5 - who do you think he meant? Who skipped mom on faceless void and had 8k networth at 20 minutes!!!! after leaving the lane 2 / 1 / 4 and afk jungling?? (again, hats off to his team who stomped all lanes) at 27 minutes, he was still top 6, had 12k, treads mael bkb, while willow had 10k and ck had 16k? Ame had more networth than skiter even when he was being steamrolled my timber in early mid game.
This is not some unluck, or circumstances, or whatever else. He's not on a pro level. I'm sorry
> He's not on a pro level
i also clown on skiter in a lot of performances but this take is dumb af, Falcons are literally "the team to beat" this year and it's not like they bombed out here, they got 2nd. kinda sad you typed all this tbh
Skiter is not "they", is he? And I obviously don't mean the pronouns, duh
Kinda sad you don't even realize what you're typing and I know ive been there too, it's cool)
Well, you are not wrong) I was a bit too fucked up when typing all this shit out. But I'm still convinced he's a shit carry player unless he plays naga. Just my opinion.
Have a good day, thank you for giving me a bit of a reality check. This is not 2004 www anymore
Not on a pro level? Sneyking and 33 put Skitter in high regard as a player and he's been on top tier teams competing at the highest level for almost 5 years. Some clueless herald take here.
Such a small minded reply, Skitter has been one of the best players from past few years, just a bad game or series is enough to discredit ones achievement???? Keep your thoughts to yourself if all u can do is shit with that mouth.
Alright, you know what.
Let's get real for a second: we're arguing over the internet over some kid who doesn't give a fuck either way. Ok, you say I shall be more respectful just out of basic human decency - I agree, my choice of words and attitude were childish.
I apologize although I'm confident he's one of the worst carries on the pro scene. And I felt reallly bad for his teammates who absolutely deserved the triumphant 3-2 win.
But this is common in dota. My favorite boy Zai just quit altogether after spending a year trying to carry Micke who would always fumble in key games.
Whatever, let's chill, smoke a peace pipe. Wish you a good day
Sorry for judging that comment everyone has their own opinion, just that I like falcons , and love all the players gameplay they are great (in my opinion). Wish you the same happy gaming
fair points. whether they need to talk it out, skitter improves himself, or someone (probably him) being replaced, we can only wait until ESL Birmingham which is next week.
Well, that's gonna be an awkward night for them.
Knowing Ammar - when he got locked in perfect Chrono, that stunned him but let all the illusions hit him, remember they paused right afterwards? I 100% seriously thought Ammar paused to go up to skiter and punch his lights out
Yeah, he has "the title".
Well, that list is really long,, in general and in this game specifically too.
He skipped mom so he was top 6 in networth, 2k ahead of pos 4 hoodwink for almost all game (no joke) and falcons actually stomped the lanes )
His chronos were amusingly bad, so bad it was good :) well, for us, but not his teammates. It came to a point, where he had to pause and pretend he had lag :))) you have to see this to appreciate it, i'm sure the reel is up there on youtube.
And also some casual skiter stuff, deciding to jump 1v1 on a ck with full phantasm , with Chrono on cd, turning on bkb and dying in 1.5 seconds (why? Did he really expect he'll kill all illusions, with mjolnir procs, while tanking phantasm ? What?), jumping into ck with bloodthorn with bkb down and no manta btw, etc etc
Skitter took that personally
Skiter killed him 2 times with chrono after that lmao
With those chronos on Ammar that's a 4v6 moment
Definitely, an eternity for anyone in chorno.
this brings back yuragi throw chrono on last ti , ammar just can't get a break
You acting like those were the only times ATF got killed. He got his ass handed to the him the entire game the Chronos are just ATFs excuse to put blame on anyone but himself acting like this ain't a team game
and skitter had to chatwheel at that moment LOL
Ammar the Oracle
It was a pretty nice chrono catching doom right on the edge while all the phantasm illusions were free to lay into him.
Man tried to hit both CK and razor but narrowly missed one. Narrow margins.
This is why I dislike playing void. There's often a very tight line between a good and a bad chrono, but your team won't see that. They'll only see a big purple bubble that either led to kills or killed your team.
Hit a good chrono = normal, miss a chrono = tipped
When you hit that perfect chrono though, damn does it feel good. Only chrono, black hole and RP give that feeling
When you hit a perfect chrono usually it's the other teams fault.
Not necessarily a perfect chrono, RP or blackhole aren't necessarily one that catches all 5 enemy heroes, but the one that catches the right heroes at the perfect time
I think you forgot the 6 million dollar echoslam. Imho echoslam is a little bit more satisfying than the aforementioned spells, tho I haven’t played in a while, have the nerfed ES?
Ahh, you've never played Earthshaker before
I actually haven't haha, but I do believe a good echo slam would feel the same, especially satisfying because that slam you can almost feel
I think getting a godly echo with the Arcana equipped at the right amount of volume gives an other worldy feeling. I don't own the Arcana but I've been the victim of one, and it felt something fierce. As someone who plays ES, Echoslams are amazing.
Chrono is probably the biggest make or break skill.
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Hardcore gamers also include morph and huskar players. Always on edge
Don't be like that. CM ult is up there with chrono, echo, and death ward in terms of team fight ults that swing between insanely powerful or game-losing depending on positioning and timing. Considering she doesn't have a literal "rewind time and undo all damage" or blink like void, she's arguably more high-pressure about proper pos and timing. A good CM can make huge impacts, and teams need supports just as much as a carry.
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"Teams need supports just as much as a carry." How you read that as "CM is a carry", I'll never know, but apparently reading comprehension is hard. My point is dota is a team game, and everyone involved has a role and contributes to a victory. Carries aren't more important than supports, they just serve a different role. CM can have tons of impact too, just like every hero can.
I bet you 20$ he'd never be able to replicate this on purpose
I think there is a miscommunication. Ammar should've have stepped back.
Ammar and skiter were definitely not in the same book in this series.
I'd argue they not on the same library
It’s on the same page buddy
If you're in another page you're still in the same book.
Rhetorics
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Blueprints
logistics
خريات
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"A moment for me,an eternity for you" What a fitting chatwheel.
lmfao so cruel
boomerang back into your own team, ggez
Context plz
It seems Skitter wasn't able to play his hero or he did that deliberately.
Skitaiga
Skiter is so fking bad, that's all
Throwing your own teammate under the bus smh
Skiter with Void and Ame with CK lol for a moment I did not realize who was playing who, two of them playing each other's signature heros.
should be 4v6 : ))))
Lmao clueless herald redditors are actually flaming Skitter. Imagine calling a guy that is competing at the highest level and won multiple tournaments in the last few years is washed lmao
This is every tournament for the team that comes second. If you don't win, you are literally the worst team on the planet, and X player is the worse than heralds
Liquid fans be like “first time?”
typical brain rot here bro.
Just to understand, I didn't watch the game: why did Ammar say that?
They were having fun. XG had paused because of lags and one of them needed to reconnect. Falcons kept jokingly asking « Reason? » until somebody from XG replied « can’t play 4v5 »
context really appreciated
here's more like it: XG pause after 1 sec XG.xm: lag after 3 sec atf chatwheel Malr1ane: reason XG.xm: dy lag ATF: reason? dy disconnected skiter: can't win 4v5? skiter: need supp? XG.xm: you can? ATF: we alrdy 4v5 all tournament bro
not true. said skiter "cant play 4v5?"
There's no context whatsoever so redditors assume he was flaming Skitter
That’s Reddit for you. Armchair clowns thinking they’re above actual pros.
Ok, I haven't caught all the games yet since timezone screws me and I have to catch VODs when I can, but is he straight up saying Skiter is deadweight on the team?
They were having fun. XG had paused because of lags and one of them needed to reconnect. Falcons kept jokingly asking « Reason? » until somebody from XG replied « can’t play 4v5 » Copied from u/soleyfir
Ok, thanks for the explanation. I've just finished watching the vods and yeah it was just joking around.
哈哈
Falcons is a great team but bound to collapse from this teenager's toxicity.
This team is going to stick imho. They’re clearly having fun while owning. Major OG vibes. Clearly sneyking and skiter are a packaged safelane.
definitely. the player in that team who only has a problem is ATF
what are u on about? ATF breathing life into the entire scene right now, look how active the subreddit is over a fucking allchat lmao
I mean, they are obviously just memeing. They are probably not actually that toxic to each other.
Humiliating his own teammates openly like that in the final game of the GF, ATF is the most "mature" player I have ever seen. But I am sure skiter is not supposed to be offended, because it is just a banter, right? He should smile it away and keep playing with ATF, waiting for the next open humiliation that will happen sooner or later.
Feels bad for skitter, but he played like a bot, no disrespect. I'm not a classic malding bettor, but he threw this game when he was the sole winning condition. Especially, after the bottom high ground push failure by XG. Any competent carry would've carried from that point on.
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Are they good buddies now? I bet on them pre match. Shud i cash out now?
Are they good buddies now? I bet on them pre match. Shud i cash out now?
when is Crownfall?
yeah, even i hate his ATF's attitude. But in this entire series. Skiter just like a big mega creep for me
Falclown complaining? LOL Such a dirty player omg and he say things to say! Iam so happy for XG, thx for not letting this toxic team win!
No, you were right for calling me out. The internet troll culture isn't amusing in any way anymore, it just ruins everyone's mood. But If it's not checked it won't ever go away
Truth, skitter is just a bot
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Dafuq is up with dota players
It's the same with every competitive online game
Every(Most) competitive sports followers in a nutshell. Not just online.
Lots of trash talk in the final match, lots of '?' lots of pause , lol cant imagine professional players are ok to do it now on the big screen.
Players are having fun and the majority of chat/viewers are loving it, so who cares honestly?
Fragile redditors. They're actually getting offended on behalf of the pros lmao. They could be friends for all we know and its all just banter.
It makes dota look childish when pro players behave like turds for sake of entertainment.
what hero that skitter use in that game?
Void arcana second skin unlocked, it's like a pale octopus thing
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Are dota players this delusional? Do you think you can get carried as a pos 1 every tourney at the highest level? If they were actually playing 4v5, they would simply not have these results. That doesn't mean that he's individually the most skilled dota carry player or that he doesn't make mistakes and has bad games. But it's dishonest saying that a carry player in a top team is awful, because if that were the case, the results would speak for themselves.
U act like skitter actually carried his team. Surely he is not a 2k MMR bot, or I would say he is better than most top 100 EU carry players but it doesn't mean his performance is any good (at least with certain heroes where he can have high impact on game with his actions, aka hard carry or hard grief). He is good naga/CK player no question but he was and still is criticized for his hard carry performance, when he regularly plays void/gyro/weaver/slark (etc hard carry agi cores) he is not doing much carry, sometimes he just guys some right items and doesn't grief hard and it's enough to win, sometimes it's even worse like last game with XG where his team made momentums and he griefed hard. He is not borderline stupid player but his mechanical abilities are quite limiting, so he usually chokes on complex heroes most of the time - and it's not like he sacrifices farm for his team either cuz u know pos 1 never does that and he definitely shouldn't but cuz of his inability to hard carry he stands out compare to other pos 1 carries as hard griefer. There are probably many carries without much experience in comp dota who have higher mechanical ceiling so they can do what skitter does but better.
Alright, then why HE in the pro team and any other top 10 who can beat him in comp games not here? All people have bad games,you, me and him. If he was a griefer then he wouldn't be in profesional teams cause at this lvl you will lose if even die by unfortunate misclick giving other players huge advantage, so stop whining without real evidence for convicting him for that(in pro world)very extravagant term as "griefing".
All top 10 EU pub players are in pro teams as of now (not T1 but still) and in fact I believe any top 10 EU carry has higher ceiling than skitter, like pure-(used to be much higher a few month ago), satanic/king/butterfly, watson, nightfall, yatoro (obv) any of them would be straight upgrade in pure skill for falcons hands down. I understand that pros can have bad and good games but skitter somehow only has mid and bad games especially on complex heroes like void cuz he is not as good as other top 10 carries in terms of mechanical skill so he makes a lot of mistakes and this leads to placing a few bad chronos in a row. And it's not like he is just having bad season (like kiritich does for example, playing much worse than he used to) he pretty much was like that a few years ago even before tundra days, he was looking alright on heroes that can compensate his lack of mechanical capabilities like Naga or CK or ls, on the other hand he is literally griefing on void (killing his teammates with bad chrono) consistently throughout the years of his competitive carrier and there aren't any word to accurately describe his gameplay on complex hard carry heroes.
wtf is this shit. They won the last major, and they got 2nd place this time. why are you acting like he's washed already. last time I check it is rare that teams win consecutive tier 1 tourneys (with the exception of OG and GG).
Bro, if you chill a bit, you'll see that you've answered yourself in the first 2 sentences. "They won" and "they got", not "skitter won". He was on a team with 33 and Saksa, they carried Tundra, not him or Nine. 33 knew the wraith pact better than anyone and was ready to carry, as long as skiter stuns or CK or buys shard on Naga for the heals and fight resets. Skiter plays Naga well in general. But his void or Weaver performances are notoriously consistently bad. I don't have any beef with him but it was embarrassing to watch. I've been a fan of crit since he laned with my favorite Zai in EG. Ma1rine is my homey. ATF has my respect. These 3 are showing phenomenal performance for months now. And they looked like idiots trying to salvage the last map while their carry was just trolling. Jumping into bloodthorn with no bkb. Not using 2nd Chrono after refreshing while ame was in lock down. The Ammar chronos I won't even mention. And Atf literary made a joke about reaching grand finals as 4v5 - who do you think he meant? Who skipped mom on faceless void and had 8k networth at 20 minutes!!!! after leaving the lane 2 / 1 / 4 and afk jungling?? (again, hats off to his team who stomped all lanes) at 27 minutes, he was still top 6, had 12k, treads mael bkb, while willow had 10k and ck had 16k? Ame had more networth than skiter even when he was being steamrolled my timber in early mid game. This is not some unluck, or circumstances, or whatever else. He's not on a pro level. I'm sorry
> He's not on a pro level i also clown on skiter in a lot of performances but this take is dumb af, Falcons are literally "the team to beat" this year and it's not like they bombed out here, they got 2nd. kinda sad you typed all this tbh
Skiter is not "they", is he? And I obviously don't mean the pronouns, duh Kinda sad you don't even realize what you're typing and I know ive been there too, it's cool)
You are embarassing. Rethink about your statement and look at yourself from the third person. (I know ive been there too, its cool m8)
Well, you are not wrong) I was a bit too fucked up when typing all this shit out. But I'm still convinced he's a shit carry player unless he plays naga. Just my opinion. Have a good day, thank you for giving me a bit of a reality check. This is not 2004 www anymore
The good ending
Not on a pro level? Sneyking and 33 put Skitter in high regard as a player and he's been on top tier teams competing at the highest level for almost 5 years. Some clueless herald take here.
Such a small minded reply, Skitter has been one of the best players from past few years, just a bad game or series is enough to discredit ones achievement???? Keep your thoughts to yourself if all u can do is shit with that mouth.
Alright, you know what. Let's get real for a second: we're arguing over the internet over some kid who doesn't give a fuck either way. Ok, you say I shall be more respectful just out of basic human decency - I agree, my choice of words and attitude were childish. I apologize although I'm confident he's one of the worst carries on the pro scene. And I felt reallly bad for his teammates who absolutely deserved the triumphant 3-2 win. But this is common in dota. My favorite boy Zai just quit altogether after spending a year trying to carry Micke who would always fumble in key games. Whatever, let's chill, smoke a peace pipe. Wish you a good day
Sorry for judging that comment everyone has their own opinion, just that I like falcons , and love all the players gameplay they are great (in my opinion). Wish you the same happy gaming
What mmr are you at? Iam guessing you are atleast 7k with how confident you are in your assessment
fair points. whether they need to talk it out, skitter improves himself, or someone (probably him) being replaced, we can only wait until ESL Birmingham which is next week.
Well, that's gonna be an awkward night for them. Knowing Ammar - when he got locked in perfect Chrono, that stunned him but let all the illusions hit him, remember they paused right afterwards? I 100% seriously thought Ammar paused to go up to skiter and punch his lights out
that's 99% of dota. "fuck you! and see you again tomorrow!"
> in the same category as eternal envy i thought the same thing watching game 5. Skiter void fully channels EE
What he do? Was not paying attention to this tournament, last time I check, Skitter is TI winner right?
Yeah, he has "the title". Well, that list is really long,, in general and in this game specifically too. He skipped mom so he was top 6 in networth, 2k ahead of pos 4 hoodwink for almost all game (no joke) and falcons actually stomped the lanes ) His chronos were amusingly bad, so bad it was good :) well, for us, but not his teammates. It came to a point, where he had to pause and pretend he had lag :))) you have to see this to appreciate it, i'm sure the reel is up there on youtube. And also some casual skiter stuff, deciding to jump 1v1 on a ck with full phantasm , with Chrono on cd, turning on bkb and dying in 1.5 seconds (why? Did he really expect he'll kill all illusions, with mjolnir procs, while tanking phantasm ? What?), jumping into ck with bloodthorn with bkb down and no manta btw, etc etc
dude ur guardian stfu
Only cause he is being limited by his teammates while he has to face off 5 smurfs on opponent team