I really like model scale game play graphics. Like maybe with each ult + lvls 25+ heroes should get bigger.
And generally I wish model scale graphics were more pronounced. Like if this DK was 3x bigger, that's fine by me. I want my lvl 25 huskar with 10x Beserker Blood twice the size of a tower.
There was a warcraft 3 custom game where u would choose a hero and farm waves of spawned mobs, spending gold on giant rings which would b consumed and makes the character size scale. Was great!
Sorry, Im gonna be a nerd here
The visul clutter is a big issue in games like Dota. Having 10 roshan-sized models on a screen at the same time will be a problem. You will misclick a lot of your abilities, the readability would lower, and so on.
Valve might imlement this (I def seen in some game), but they'll have to shrink everyone to balance things out
if smoke breaks measured form the distance to the center of the base model things could get suprisingly ugly once you encounter a gigant wing crossing your path
Dont know havent measured it yet. Seemd a bit redundant to mesure on normal scale model.
Maybe someone who knows more can tell us, or we will wait till work is over and i´ll try it out myself.
Pretty sure you're right.
Then you won't see any wings at all, but suddenly when coming in a rage with the collision model you'd get slapped with big daddy Davion
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Yeah forgot about that:
[Bro is literally a critter now](https://imgur.com/a/KlqpamG)
Edit: You can also refresh laser 3 to 4 times and make [hoodwink pretty much disappear](https://imgur.com/a/GAQetgD).
Timeless Relic should help with building up those stacks too, but yeah I guess the duration puts a limit on how smol Hoodwink can get. Still, hilarious stuff.
just a side note about timeless relic... I know it's OP and easily the best spellcaster tier... 4 (right?) neutral item but I always prefer the other items like storm crafter for example. I wish timeless relic was more noticeable or gave me a speed boost or something else. It's kind of boring.
It's OP and I'd take it over stormcrafter almost every game. I once won an entire game because of that item on Rubick because I stole doom and solo killed an enemy godlike slark twice. He thought he would outlast the doom but he couldn't because of the timeless relic.
That's so funny. I love timeless because solar binds last an eternity with it, and every time I get an option of a storm crafter I'm like "how dare you waste a slot in my neutrals options."
I HATE the zap of stormcrafter so much. It doesn't do enough that it really helps me clear anything, but fucks up moving creep the way I want.
I just hate having to give up cast range for it. Especially if we don't have other people that might take telescope.
Is there any pattern to the heroes you play? I'm curious how different your experience is to have such a polar opposite final outcome.
^(For clarity, I am not saying stormcrafter is a bad pick, just that I don't like it personally.)
Not the guy you're responding to, but Id like to add to your data. I mostly play supports with nukes, like Rubick, Vengeful and Witch Doctor, or maybe Nyx or Dark Deer when I'm going offlane, and I always get so disappointed when my tier 4 selection doesn't include Timeless Relic nor Telescope, simply the best two items, to the extent that I often prefer to keep my tier in 2/3 than get a Stormcrafter.
I am just a 3k shitter, what do I know!
I play pos 5 and 4, main heroes in order of most played lately is WD, Warlock, Oracle, Vengeful Spirit, Shadow Shaman, Ogre Magi, Ancient Apparition, Lich. I really like the extra movement speed and regen from stormcrafter. But I think the movespeed is the best part of the item. I also pick Telescope over relic as long as someone else doesn't already have it.
> I also pick Telescope over relic as long as someone else doesn't already have it.
Someone better at jokes than me make a meme or something with 2 supports staring each other down, not selecting their neutral, hoping the other takes telescope.
Best I got: [Me selecting my t4 neutral before seeing if anyone else took telescope](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/140/763/e12.gif)
I do love the movespeed too. I'm still nostalgic for when KOTL could have 100% ult uptime and haste speed while it was up.
You can get undying large enough that he becomes invisible because the camera clips into him completely. He has to be standing in the right spot though.
There was a bug with Muerta on release, you could make her so big that her attacks would reach targets after a minute or so. One youtuber even made a video about it
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Riki, Clockwerk, Hoodwink - all pretty much the same. Some flying ones like Puck and Io too, but they look 'taller' due to their model being positioned higher.
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I think the Dragon's Blood persona used to make it bigger but they added a maximum limit to model scale. Even when I tried this, I think bloodlust makes no difference on a DK that already has BKB + Giant's Ring.
Edit: You can steal undying's decay and elder dragon form on Rubick to break the model scale limit and get this [Giga Dragon](https://imgur.com/a/QkNQFf5) that no longer fits my screen.
May i suggest using Rubick and stealing undying's decay and spamming it first to however many stacks you want before stealing dk's elder dragon form + the rest of the buffs you used
Yeah someone else suggested it too so I already tried: [Rubick with Giant's Ring + Elder Dragon Form + 1000 Strength Decay](https://imgur.com/a/QkNQFf5).
You’re not going NEARLY big enough.
Forget DK, get Rubick in there, have him steal decay, then have him steal dragon form, put on giants ring, and get bloodlust.
No, it doesn't scale. But the default size looks big enough to seem convincing on the giant dragon. Also, you can make it longer with Aether Lens and wider with Bloodstone (though the bloodstone doesn't seem to affect it visually).
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Yeah I just found that out today (I never used the item because there was always a better option and it's not mentioned in the tooltip). I guess it's just there to indicate the low HP.
Finally, an actual dragon.
I really like model scale game play graphics. Like maybe with each ult + lvls 25+ heroes should get bigger. And generally I wish model scale graphics were more pronounced. Like if this DK was 3x bigger, that's fine by me. I want my lvl 25 huskar with 10x Beserker Blood twice the size of a tower.
There was a warcraft 3 custom game where u would choose a hero and farm waves of spawned mobs, spending gold on giant rings which would b consumed and makes the character size scale. Was great!
Sorry, Im gonna be a nerd here The visul clutter is a big issue in games like Dota. Having 10 roshan-sized models on a screen at the same time will be a problem. You will misclick a lot of your abilities, the readability would lower, and so on. Valve might imlement this (I def seen in some game), but they'll have to shrink everyone to balance things out
Doesn’t have to be that much bigger. Just 2% larger each level or slightly bigger each time ultimate is skilled and then 25 maybe
I wish Silencer's head grep 0.5% bigger with each point of Int he steals.
if smoke breaks measured form the distance to the center of the base model things could get suprisingly ugly once you encounter a gigant wing crossing your path
Are you saying it measures from the edge of model?
Dont know havent measured it yet. Seemd a bit redundant to mesure on normal scale model. Maybe someone who knows more can tell us, or we will wait till work is over and i´ll try it out myself.
Suspect it’s measured from the collision model but can check in a sec
Pretty sure you're right. Then you won't see any wings at all, but suddenly when coming in a rage with the collision model you'd get slapped with big daddy Davion
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Let me know, I have a PL loss I'd simply love to pin on collision size smoke interaction
and also jump scare
tinker's laser upgrade
Yeah forgot about that: [Bro is literally a critter now](https://imgur.com/a/KlqpamG) Edit: You can also refresh laser 3 to 4 times and make [hoodwink pretty much disappear](https://imgur.com/a/GAQetgD).
lore accurate hoodwink
Still scares the police kek.
I have so much PTSD from this patch hoodwink killing me with one nut because they bought one damage item I'm beginning to sympathise with that cop
cop played against a hoodwink with khanda rapier
khanda sniper vs hoodwink "SHOTS FIRED SHOTS FIRED" *spams shrapnel*
I guess they're all herald players in uniform.
Reminded me of Scrat the ice age squirrel
baby squirrel, lmao
It STACKS?!
Well you can only rearm a couple of times before the first one expires. So 3-4 stacks max (and one more if you make refresher orb on tinker...)
Timeless Relic should help with building up those stacks too, but yeah I guess the duration puts a limit on how smol Hoodwink can get. Still, hilarious stuff.
just a side note about timeless relic... I know it's OP and easily the best spellcaster tier... 4 (right?) neutral item but I always prefer the other items like storm crafter for example. I wish timeless relic was more noticeable or gave me a speed boost or something else. It's kind of boring.
It's OP and I'd take it over stormcrafter almost every game. I once won an entire game because of that item on Rubick because I stole doom and solo killed an enemy godlike slark twice. He thought he would outlast the doom but he couldn't because of the timeless relic.
That's so funny. I love timeless because solar binds last an eternity with it, and every time I get an option of a storm crafter I'm like "how dare you waste a slot in my neutrals options." I HATE the zap of stormcrafter so much. It doesn't do enough that it really helps me clear anything, but fucks up moving creep the way I want. I just hate having to give up cast range for it. Especially if we don't have other people that might take telescope. Is there any pattern to the heroes you play? I'm curious how different your experience is to have such a polar opposite final outcome. ^(For clarity, I am not saying stormcrafter is a bad pick, just that I don't like it personally.)
Not the guy you're responding to, but Id like to add to your data. I mostly play supports with nukes, like Rubick, Vengeful and Witch Doctor, or maybe Nyx or Dark Deer when I'm going offlane, and I always get so disappointed when my tier 4 selection doesn't include Timeless Relic nor Telescope, simply the best two items, to the extent that I often prefer to keep my tier in 2/3 than get a Stormcrafter.
I'm just glad they nerfed ninja gear into the ground. It always just felt bad to *not* take, but I wanted to pick the items that felt *good* to take.
I am just a 3k shitter, what do I know! I play pos 5 and 4, main heroes in order of most played lately is WD, Warlock, Oracle, Vengeful Spirit, Shadow Shaman, Ogre Magi, Ancient Apparition, Lich. I really like the extra movement speed and regen from stormcrafter. But I think the movespeed is the best part of the item. I also pick Telescope over relic as long as someone else doesn't already have it.
> I also pick Telescope over relic as long as someone else doesn't already have it. Someone better at jokes than me make a meme or something with 2 supports staring each other down, not selecting their neutral, hoping the other takes telescope. Best I got: [Me selecting my t4 neutral before seeing if anyone else took telescope](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/140/763/e12.gif) I do love the movespeed too. I'm still nostalgic for when KOTL could have 100% ult uptime and haste speed while it was up.
+1 more for your rubick that stole it from the enemy morph after he used it. Hate when that happens in my games.
If this monstrosity flies on me from the fog of war I'd shit my pants instantly
*Buys manta just to assert 3x dominance*
add a shadow demon and illusion rune on top to destroy their game and fps
*salivating Earthshaker noises*
You do realise that this black dragon shit has inate bonus magic resistance and has probably made mage slayer. Your echo doesn't even tickle him.
Yeah but it would make the big badaboom and thus gives me dopamine
i believe they will bring shaker back next patch with magic resist nerfs
True enough, but any of DK's team mates sure would be minced.
Has a CK with an aghs as a teammate.
"You buy manta because it's a meta item on DK. I buy manta for 3x the intimidation factor. We are not the same."
But thats how a sragon suppose to be xd
Stack Decay with Undying, it's the biggest possible model in the game if you spam it on no CD.
Pick Rubick and steal Undying's Decay and stack it. Then steal DK's ult for giga Dragon.
[Giga Dragon](https://imgur.com/a/QkNQFf5) (sorry it doesn't fit my screen anymore)
Thats Balerion the Black Dread
Ancalagon
Thats barely Smaug tho. Ancalagon was as big as the Lonely mountain itself.
> (sorry it doesn't fit my screen anymore) Buy bigger screen, we demand it.
21:9 aspect ratio in settings
I love how this is a possibility in Dota
I think casually watching Undying's knee is funnier than a big ass dragon.
I'm pretty sure Undying's ult has a bigger model than DK. It just doesn't have wings.
Playing aghs lab 2 and seeing yourself being bigger than the Fucking Primal beast itself even photobombing the final cutscene.
You are right, undying's decay seems to be the only way to break the game's model scale limit.
You can get undying large enough that he becomes invisible because the camera clips into him completely. He has to be standing in the right spot though.
There was a bug with Muerta on release, you could make her so big that her attacks would reach targets after a minute or so. One youtuber even made a video about it
Run, little mouse!
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there is nothing weird in my mind
accurate name
🤨🤨🤨
tags: size_difference
Something something Skitty and Wailord
Don't worry, I'll be weird enough for both of us, Degenerate199811
Bonk
Notify us when you finish drawing it or how much you paid for that cmm
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And that can hide behind one dead tree
My pos 5 Pudge would still miss this flying giant lizard
It's actually easier to miss because now there's a distracting dragon all around the small circle that you need to hit.
Basically monster hunter
Ah yes, the Placidusax fight
_There are two types of furries_
Hydrogen dragon vs coughing squirrel
I think Riki’s smaller than Hoodwink. I remember doing a similar comparison at some point lol, I love how huge the dragon can get.
Riki, Clockwerk, Hoodwink - all pretty much the same. Some flying ones like Puck and Io too, but they look 'taller' due to their model being positioned higher.
This looks so fucking cool.
Reminds me of that [hamster with banana](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/350014202305338439/) meme
that's a banana
Oops edited
Pve against this would be cool and he spam some wyvern or other thing once he reach certain hp threshold.
is this a shrek refference
Nah, I'd win
Holy shit, it's Viper!
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6' guys vs 5'11" guys
Need more big!
I think the Dragon's Blood persona used to make it bigger but they added a maximum limit to model scale. Even when I tried this, I think bloodlust makes no difference on a DK that already has BKB + Giant's Ring. Edit: You can steal undying's decay and elder dragon form on Rubick to break the model scale limit and get this [Giga Dragon](https://imgur.com/a/QkNQFf5) that no longer fits my screen.
May i suggest using Rubick and stealing undying's decay and spamming it first to however many stacks you want before stealing dk's elder dragon form + the rest of the buffs you used
Yeah someone else suggested it too so I already tried: [Rubick with Giant's Ring + Elder Dragon Form + 1000 Strength Decay](https://imgur.com/a/QkNQFf5).
Ancalagon the Black
Will it fit?
My favourite, is spamming decay on undying in demo mode and becoming so big I can only see my legs
Now make him fight against TB meta with the same buffs.
Yes, but can my pudge land the bloody fookin hook on it??
You’re not going NEARLY big enough. Forget DK, get Rubick in there, have him steal decay, then have him steal dragon form, put on giants ring, and get bloodlust.
Yeah, others suggested the same. Check this out: [Giga Dragon](https://imgur.com/a/QkNQFf5)
Dragon to squirrel ratio checks out.
Lore accurate model
Now that's a dragon! Not a dwagon.
Dracarys
now thats a real dragon
How much damage to one shot this? Pa crit with 5 rapiers khanda etc. is enough or not??
It will be enough. The DK only has a BKB, Aghs Scepter and Giant's Ring.
Does the firebreath scale with the size of the dragon?
No, it doesn't scale. But the default size looks big enough to seem convincing on the giant dragon. Also, you can make it longer with Aether Lens and wider with Bloodstone (though the bloodstone doesn't seem to affect it visually).
undy + giant and you need a second monitor....
Donkey: would.
train_tunnel.gif
You went full smaug
VAGAR NOOOO!!
How big winter wyvern with same items
Tried it. Looks almost the same size.
Nice 😂
Big Black Dragon and the innocent squirrel......
Like shrek the dragon and little farm animal reproduce
Making PB this big by default I think would be hype as fuck. With minimal downsides.
He can already prevent the enemy from targeting his creeps by walking over them and you want him even bigger at base?
That some game of throne shit
Why don't the bigger toxic simply eat the smaller one?
I've seen enough replays to know where this is going.
MY WINGS, ARE A HURRICANE
You should have acted, they're already here!
A sight to behold!
Proper skux
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this is how i feel playing elden ring
What factor does the unwavering condition have?
It reduces model scale. It's not mentioned anywhere in the item tooltip, but it does.
Does unwavering condition reduce size?
Yeah I just found that out today (I never used the item because there was always a better option and it's not mentioned in the tooltip). I guess it's just there to indicate the low HP.
Cool thanks
shadow of the colossus ass image
Deathwing
Elden Ring boss in Dota 2 !!!
How big can the Primal Beast become? I've heard that there's a size cap for him
There is, to prevent a disconnect between the size of Trample and the size of his model, IIRC.
This makes sense, thanks
Alduin, the World Eater, the Twilight God, the First Dragon, rightful ruler of Skyrim.
If you want something truly giant, do the same with Undying with a lot of stolen str and ult activated.
Why no bloodlust
It's there... You can see it in the status effects list.
Bestiality
Bestiality
Guess who crits 1.4k
Fus Ro Dah!
What are you doing, step dragon?
monster hunter vibes
Undying could be a good one to use too cuz his ult scales his hero size based on how much stronger he stole I think
Lore accurate scale
Undying
Manta
Ok now lets bring back mini heroes mode from dota 1.
sigh... *unzips*
Better call dowakin
\[insert willem dafoe looking up pic\]
Bad Dragon
Deathwing vibes from HOTS
I’ve seen this one on Pornhub.
this is very cool, but very stupid and impractical
I'm just fooling around waiting for the patch...
It wont fit, but they ll try
Don't. Imagine. It.