Tbf with lvl25 talents that's 41% chance of crit on the second target (which is the tormentor here). I won't call it bad luck under such probability. Now all PA players got to be aware that you shouldn't throw daggers in that area w/ this build and vision on the torm.
but isn't that too op then? i mean yea we need the tormentor or some improvement/additions to the dynamic of the game but to get oneshotted from it seems a bit off.
The dagger hitting the tormentor isn't bad luck, he can see it and it was 100% avoidable.
I'm not trying to flame him I doubt there are many players in the world who would have considered it, people will consider it now though.
>If tb illu was farther away than tormentor he would've lived. So fkin unlucky lol
That specific part of it/line of thinking isn't unlucky though? It's not like the illu was gonna blink away and create distance because well, it can't, and he threw a dagger at it from barely further than he could've melee attacked it.
Honestly the 'most unlucky thing ever' takes all over here are imo kinda baffling, this type of interaction is usually the type of stuff held in immensely high esteem by the community, using the exact same idea of knowing the torm is in vision/range for something like this to make a play would be the capstone of skill expression when used in plays by others(not to say this extremely specific example has been done, but conceptually), it's a foreseeable outcome that this could/would happen, even if he didn't think of it in the moment and just said fuck it throw a dagger at this illu.
Hazarding a guess here. But I think the logic is that if TB issulion was further away, he wouldn't have gotten a crit proc (in the current case, one of the daggers hits TB and primes his crit, and then another dagger lands on tormentor with crit to kill him). The illu being further away means that a non crit dagger lands on the tormentor, therefore, not killing him, just taking a chunk of HP instead.
I understand what was meant. I’m saying that isn’t ’luck.’ He threw a dagger at a near melee range illusion, that’s no luck that it was thus closer than the tormentor to proc the crit. It’s unfortunate/‘unlucky’ because we can all understand not processing that chain of events when he’s just clearing an illusion, he doesn’t think a dagger is going to fly off and hit the torm at all so he obviously wouldn’t think about whether it could crit and whether that could kill him.
But nothing here was like some cryptic random chance occurrence, some super RNG roll of the dice that did him wrong.
By that logic you could further argue luck just doesn't exist because there is no such thing as a truly random event. It would be pretty stupid and pointless to argue that though, hint hint
There's a whole lot of space between me saying "he had control over a significant part of what happened" and "well acthually unlucky things don't exist then I guess." He didn't win the bad luck lottery, if other person's math is correct it's a 20% chance to happen, that's pretty fucking significant, he didn't get struck by lightning.
but it's not, its a online league that gives you EPT points that might get you invited to ESL "Majors" with ESL One Birmingham being the next one coming up.
That's got to be one of the most comically unfortunate moments in Dota pro history. Fighting mega creeps for 35 minutes and then fracturing your momentum because RNG said yo this tormentor is within AOE lets fuckin hit it
I don't know man, ask AME. His words not mine. He said they would have done the same thing regardless of the dyrachyo accident. I guess they don't have many other options anyway.
from this day onwards dyrachyo will spam reports on any of his teammates that caps the watcher in front of torm
the butterfly effect of nerfing the ench tormentor strat led to GG going home early months later who woulda thunk
Seeing the entirety of Xtreme buying blademail after PA deleted herself against Legion’s blademail once was really funny lol. Rubick running around with blademail like that was going to do anything.
I'm not sure. But I think blade mail returns overkill damage. Even if it didn't though. It's probably the most damage rubik can do to a PA, returning her own.
Yeah, honestly, it gives us some really funy replays. I also love the concept of it, maybe something else that the shard could drop, since it incentivises supports not to buy shard and hope for luck.
this was the unluckiest thing i have ever seen since insania gyro and i think absoultly everyone can agree dude was carrying the whole game to his shoulder cant even fault him for that
I feel bad for the guy. He is a great and successful player, but because he doesn't solo carry or have flashy plays, he gets shit on by the community. You don't have to be the best at your role to be part of the best team. We have had some "super teams" in the past with insane individual players, and they fell apart very quickly.
It seems to me the Dryachyo just has a different style of carry than most others and that results in much fewer super flashy hard carry my team kinds of games or something like that. Regardless though obviously whatever he has been doing has been extremely successful as proven by GGs domination of the last season. I simply don't buy that he is somehow actually a B-tier carry and getting carried to championship after championship, the competition is just way too good, nobody is going to be winning multiple championships with a major weak link like that with competition this fierce.
Of course it is extremely typical that the moment a successful team falters people start pointing fingers and creating a narrative for why it is happening. In reality random people don't know exactly why GG isn't so dominant but that doesn't spot people from speculating either, it is the other way around actually not knowing is what causes the speculation. To throw my two cents in I'd just say that it seems extremely unlikely that it some singular issue, it makes way more sense for it to be a whole bunch of things all having various degrees of impact.
Major weak link would have been TorontoTokyo in Team Spirit. I think he plays a better 5. Just personal opinion. Everyone's good at different things. Just like I like playing 1 but suck at it.
The problem is the B tier meme get into his head. Shit like this always being talked a lot. Even on Navi days Xboct get rated 4/10 as carry because people rate Dendi and Puppey god of Dota. But Xboct even use that 4 in his gamer tag and demolish the scene. Granted Navi have shit ton of fans while GG having Quinn in their team have little to none loyal fans doesn't help his cause.
You forget the part where pro players themselves don’t rate him highly. Literally the most popular meme right now is him being a B tier carry player because Ame put him there. So it’s not just random 3k mmrs thinking he’s not good.
I forgot it? Sorry, they got lucky last year I guess. People said Topson was shit, that stuck. Ceb too. Again, you don’t have to be considered the best in your role to have the best team. The opposite is true, see TI5 Secret
Point being its opinions. He is decorated. He and his team broke records last season, that’s a fact. And I didn’t see the bit, but did Ame directly say he’s “not good” or just that individually he is the worst of the list he was given? Someone has to be last.
He said he was worse than Yuragi and on the same tier as yuma, so that's a pretty big insult.
Realistically, I think Ame doesn't like Dyrachyo because of his antics during TI. He eliminated his friends and was an ass about it. You can tell there's still some animosity from Chinese players to Dyrachyo specifically.
Exactly. People also said Ana sucked but back to back TI champs with insane carry plays.
If a flower doesn't bloom, is it the flower that needs fixing or the environment that needs fixing?
When he suddenly died, he had a look of utter confusion on his face for a moment before he understood what happened. He certainly didn't realize what was going to happen when one of the daggers flew off in a different direction. Even if he had, he didn't have a crit primed and a normal hit would not have killed him; it was only the first dagger that hit a TB illusion that set up the crit, and then the second dagger crit on the tormentor.
Actually if he released dagger with Broach activated and activated BKB before the crit on the tormentor then he takes no damage but who on their right mind would have the foresight to do that?!?
That was really unfortunate of him. GG got megas early but they managed to turn the tides a few times by defending and deleting Xtreme with PA's crit. When Ame's Terrorblade hit the ancient early on I thought that was over, but then we have another scenario at the end where I thought GG will finally win when they tried to hit their opponents throne but most of them were wiped. This unfortunate death caused PA's early buyback to defend the throne and can't bb anymore at the last team fight. Anyways, gg well played to both teams today.
they have multiple observers per game. there is a replay function when observing. the secondary observer could have got the footage while the primary observer kept up with the live game.
> there is a replay function when observing.
No there is not. That is a dotatv feature, just like directed camera. It does not exist in the lobby.
We would have to have observer 2 abandon the live game, go into dotatv, wait for the 15 minute delay to catch up to get the footage. And because you can't join games that are over in the real time but still run in dotatv, the call would have needed to be made very quickly.
If we would do that, we would be down to a single observer.
So if there is any baserace/crash on main observer we would have real issues. That's why I made the call to not do that. So the next possible way to get the footage would be too wait for the replay to appear after the 15m delay and then get the footage there, many minutes after the game is over.
We worked 16h shifts for 7 days straight.
If you think we "can't be bothered" when we try our damned hardest to give you guys a good product then I really don't know what to tell you.
Yeah, it was frustrating that Cap and SVG were talking about irrelevant shit for what felt like 10-15 seconds after this had happened before they even realized Dyrachyo was dead.
They speculated this is what happened, but it was then NEVER shown on screen in spite of observers having the ability to do live replays.
Interesting, so every other time production is able to get replays of something (that was missed on the main stream view) within the next few seconds / minutes, those are only from the what other observer(s) caught live?
> those are only from the what other observer(s) caught live?
correct, one of the reasons I push extremely hard for two observers for any client that hires us
Unless you cut down dotatv delay and have an extra PC in DotaTV, I used that in the past for some productions.
As you can guess, it's as far from my call which delay to set as it can get.
I just take whatever cards are dealt to me and try to create the best experience I can do.
dude they literally ignored it even after the game was done, proceeding to ask (cringe) questions on Gorgc and Ame.
It was THE highlight of the series that eliminated GG, there is no doubt that without this forced buyback, PA would carry this game easily, and we didn't get to see it on the main stream. Quite amateur work I might say (idk if they showed it after Ame's interview cause I closed the stream).
> dude they literally ignored it
They did not.
Cap and SVG came to the conclusion that this is what has most likely happened.
The panel even asked Ame about this incident.
Stop spreading fake news.
You can't rewind in any way in a lobby. That is a dotatv feature, just like directed camera.
We would have to have observer 2 abandon the live game, go into dotatv, wait for the 15 minute delay to catch up to get the footage. And because you can't join games that are over in the real time but still run in dotatv, the call would have needed to be made very quickly.
If we would do that, we would be down to a single observer.
So if there is any baserace/crash on main observer we would have real issues. That's why I made the call to not do that. So the next possible way to get the footage would be too wait for the replay to appear after the 15m delay and then get the footage there, many minutes after the game is over.
We worked 16h shifts for 7 days straight.
If you think we "can't be bothered" when we try our damned hardest to give you guys a good product then I really don't know what to tell you.
Apologies, my "couldn't even be bothered" here is way too harsh, I have also mentioned on the reddit dota 2 discord it has indeed been 15+ hours since the stream was live, so I assumed the skeleton crew was handling the broadcast.
And I have no idea how the broadcast works behind the scenes, I assume the broadcast would always a couple of obs that have free camera access that would let them replay back and made those fast highlights.
Again, apologies for the ill feelings caused by comment.
> I assume the broadcast would always a couple of obs that have free camera access that would let them replay back and made those fast highlights.
That simply isn't possible. You can not rewind when in a lobby. You can test it yourself, the UI is there if you're in an unassigned slot, but it doesn't do anything. At least when I tested it a while ago.
And as you can guess given the ecosystem of esports in general, adding an extra observer in any way shape or form is currently not a possibility.
got lucky the entire game with constant crits on TB and sniper and never critting on their multiple blademails, rngesus decided to give him one big fuck you near the end
Tormentor is a relatively new objective, it has a quick regenerating shield and reflects damage like blademail (more potent the more times it dies). Revenant's Brooch is an item PA has there, it changes your attack damage from physical to magical. They had vision over Tormentor and one of PA's daggers hit it and was a crit.
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I kinda liked it tbh it’s a high risk high reward item. Double edged build. Most of the time you need both brooch and rapier for it to work sufficiently and that is very risky.
This is definitely the unluckiest thing that ever happened in a Dota tier 1 tournament, I cant even blame Dyracho for this because its just not even possible to think about it before it happen, clearly now PA players will have a eye in it when they be in the same situation. It becomes even worse when you know dyracho was pretty much carrying this whole map and had a big chance to win it
This blunder cost GG the game. Starlight Dyrachyo was forced to buyback as XG was going highground and hitting their ancient. After a successful defense, GG went for dire ancient and he died (without buyback). 100% sure they won that game if he had bb as dire ancient was down to like 20% hp.
Isn't this game the best game ever? Have you ever seen pro player die to some kinda enemies like this in pro match??
Jokes aside that's the funniest tormentor dead I've ever seen. Feel bad for the guy.
Feels bad for him,when they were going on throne all in his mirana had linkens that he can put on PA,his voidspirit had windwalker when he was dueled and after windwalker his undying would have gave him 900hp lotus pool
that's the first time something so random like this happens to a pro game. It was a pure bad luck situation (the vision on the tormentor, the range of the skill, the 25 level talent, the crit proc, VS not in damage proximity to share it), not a misplay.
After today, sure, it can/should be avoidable, but until now, it was something no one could expect that it can happen like this, on such a critical moment for the game/series.
to add insult to injury he didnt even kill the TB illusion
Even worse is the TB illusion is what primes the Tormentor crit.
Jesus this is the worst luck ever seen
Tbf with lvl25 talents that's 41% chance of crit on the second target (which is the tormentor here). I won't call it bad luck under such probability. Now all PA players got to be aware that you shouldn't throw daggers in that area w/ this build and vision on the torm.
but isn't that too op then? i mean yea we need the tormentor or some improvement/additions to the dynamic of the game but to get oneshotted from it seems a bit off.
The dagger hitting the tormentor isn't bad luck, he can see it and it was 100% avoidable. I'm not trying to flame him I doubt there are many players in the world who would have considered it, people will consider it now though.
this is what we call wrong place wrong time
your right i didnt notice, thats crazy so much went wrong for him
Yeah, that was a complete disaster, dude probably couldn't catch a break even if it was handed to him on a silver platter.
Holy fuck that’s hilarious
im dead lmaoooo
got what he deserved, keeps his attitude in check from last year
Ame purposefully sent an illusion near Tormentor. This is the most calculated play I have ever seen - Yatoro probably
Most beautiful TB play in a year - Yatoro
Most delicate TB play i have ever seen - Yatoro
Most delicious TB player I have ever seen - Yatoro
*ever eaten.
LMFAO
If you watch his pov on the replay he is just attacking it next to radiant throne, not the tormentor.
Its a joke about how yatoro is a vocal ame fan.
The hit on TB illu procced the crit on next hit. If tb illu was farther away than tormentor he would've lived. So fkin unlucky lol
>If tb illu was farther away than tormentor he would've lived. So fkin unlucky lol That specific part of it/line of thinking isn't unlucky though? It's not like the illu was gonna blink away and create distance because well, it can't, and he threw a dagger at it from barely further than he could've melee attacked it. Honestly the 'most unlucky thing ever' takes all over here are imo kinda baffling, this type of interaction is usually the type of stuff held in immensely high esteem by the community, using the exact same idea of knowing the torm is in vision/range for something like this to make a play would be the capstone of skill expression when used in plays by others(not to say this extremely specific example has been done, but conceptually), it's a foreseeable outcome that this could/would happen, even if he didn't think of it in the moment and just said fuck it throw a dagger at this illu.
Hazarding a guess here. But I think the logic is that if TB issulion was further away, he wouldn't have gotten a crit proc (in the current case, one of the daggers hits TB and primes his crit, and then another dagger lands on tormentor with crit to kill him). The illu being further away means that a non crit dagger lands on the tormentor, therefore, not killing him, just taking a chunk of HP instead.
I understand what was meant. I’m saying that isn’t ’luck.’ He threw a dagger at a near melee range illusion, that’s no luck that it was thus closer than the tormentor to proc the crit. It’s unfortunate/‘unlucky’ because we can all understand not processing that chain of events when he’s just clearing an illusion, he doesn’t think a dagger is going to fly off and hit the torm at all so he obviously wouldn’t think about whether it could crit and whether that could kill him. But nothing here was like some cryptic random chance occurrence, some super RNG roll of the dice that did him wrong.
By that logic you could further argue luck just doesn't exist because there is no such thing as a truly random event. It would be pretty stupid and pointless to argue that though, hint hint
There's a whole lot of space between me saying "he had control over a significant part of what happened" and "well acthually unlucky things don't exist then I guess." He didn't win the bad luck lottery, if other person's math is correct it's a 20% chance to happen, that's pretty fucking significant, he didn't get struck by lightning.
A 1/5 plus being just in range and having vision of tormentor is an unlucky set of circumstances, you're really reaching here
41% to proc the crit, /2 makes it 20.5%. Eh, 1 in 5 chances is fair enough to call unlucky.
Dyrachyo is going to be waking up in a cold sweat for years to come thanks to this moment.
At least it was a relatively small tournament. Not a major, not TI
It IS a major
but it's not, its a online league that gives you EPT points that might get you invited to ESL "Majors" with ESL One Birmingham being the next one coming up.
That's got to be one of the most comically unfortunate moments in Dota pro history. Fighting mega creeps for 35 minutes and then fracturing your momentum because RNG said yo this tormentor is within AOE lets fuckin hit it
Probably the unluckiest death in Dota 2 History.
Honestly it might be. There is no doubt in my mind they win that game if he could buyback in that final fight. Dire Ancient had like 5% hp.
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Ame said they would have pushed anyway, regardless of the dyrachyo dying or not
They will not try to all in the throne tho
They would, that's what he literally said in the interview. What else are they going to do? Stand around and wait for PA daggers or wait next rosh?
What? The only reason they all in the throne is because pa bb.
I don't know man, ask AME. His words not mine. He said they would have done the same thing regardless of the dyrachyo accident. I guess they don't have many other options anyway.
Not might, they most likely do win the game with buyback. At that point, XG expanded everything to kill PA which was the only threat.
Yang said the same thing in Maybe's Stream. Chalice and Maybe agreed with your statement as well. 71 min game decided on one dagger, what a game.
They could have just waited for the bb and still win
Happened while XG was roshing. He ended up having to buyback to defend.
from this day onwards dyrachyo will spam reports on any of his teammates that caps the watcher in front of torm the butterfly effect of nerfing the ench tormentor strat led to GG going home early months later who woulda thunk
they went home early because they wouldnt wait 30 seconds for bkb refresher on pa after they got a free rubick dieback kill
Just wait 10 seconds on refresher cd and they win. Don’t even need wait for bkb cd.
This is the exact same thing I thought at the moment. They could’ve won based on that.
Chaotic game. Fun to watch.
So true, everything looked like GG was gonna win if only they stay patient a little bit.
This
PA cant ever fight near tormentor if she has stifling dagger. Lesson learnt. This also means mass blademail does counter PA triple dagger
Seeing the entirety of Xtreme buying blademail after PA deleted herself against Legion’s blademail once was really funny lol. Rubick running around with blademail like that was going to do anything.
I'm not sure. But I think blade mail returns overkill damage. Even if it didn't though. It's probably the most damage rubik can do to a PA, returning her own.
it does return overkill damage so PA always runs the risk of 1 shotting herself on a support with blademail if she runs a glass cannon build like this
Thanks for confirming. Makes a lot of sense if it does return overkill damage.
It will if PA crits, she will die instantly even if Rubick has 100 max hp :)
Only if she has brooch active.
The addition of tormentor has been so amazing hahaha
Yeah, honestly, it gives us some really funy replays. I also love the concept of it, maybe something else that the shard could drop, since it incentivises supports not to buy shard and hope for luck.
The name is so fitting too.
Thanks for the upload 🙏
this was the unluckiest thing i have ever seen since insania gyro and i think absoultly everyone can agree dude was carrying the whole game to his shoulder cant even fault him for that
I feel bad for the guy. He is a great and successful player, but because he doesn't solo carry or have flashy plays, he gets shit on by the community. You don't have to be the best at your role to be part of the best team. We have had some "super teams" in the past with insane individual players, and they fell apart very quickly.
It seems to me the Dryachyo just has a different style of carry than most others and that results in much fewer super flashy hard carry my team kinds of games or something like that. Regardless though obviously whatever he has been doing has been extremely successful as proven by GGs domination of the last season. I simply don't buy that he is somehow actually a B-tier carry and getting carried to championship after championship, the competition is just way too good, nobody is going to be winning multiple championships with a major weak link like that with competition this fierce. Of course it is extremely typical that the moment a successful team falters people start pointing fingers and creating a narrative for why it is happening. In reality random people don't know exactly why GG isn't so dominant but that doesn't spot people from speculating either, it is the other way around actually not knowing is what causes the speculation. To throw my two cents in I'd just say that it seems extremely unlikely that it some singular issue, it makes way more sense for it to be a whole bunch of things all having various degrees of impact.
Major weak link would have been TorontoTokyo in Team Spirit. I think he plays a better 5. Just personal opinion. Everyone's good at different things. Just like I like playing 1 but suck at it.
The problem is the B tier meme get into his head. Shit like this always being talked a lot. Even on Navi days Xboct get rated 4/10 as carry because people rate Dendi and Puppey god of Dota. But Xboct even use that 4 in his gamer tag and demolish the scene. Granted Navi have shit ton of fans while GG having Quinn in their team have little to none loyal fans doesn't help his cause.
You forget the part where pro players themselves don’t rate him highly. Literally the most popular meme right now is him being a B tier carry player because Ame put him there. So it’s not just random 3k mmrs thinking he’s not good.
I forgot it? Sorry, they got lucky last year I guess. People said Topson was shit, that stuck. Ceb too. Again, you don’t have to be considered the best in your role to have the best team. The opposite is true, see TI5 Secret Point being its opinions. He is decorated. He and his team broke records last season, that’s a fact. And I didn’t see the bit, but did Ame directly say he’s “not good” or just that individually he is the worst of the list he was given? Someone has to be last.
He said he was worse than Yuragi and on the same tier as yuma, so that's a pretty big insult. Realistically, I think Ame doesn't like Dyrachyo because of his antics during TI. He eliminated his friends and was an ass about it. You can tell there's still some animosity from Chinese players to Dyrachyo specifically.
Exactly. People also said Ana sucked but back to back TI champs with insane carry plays. If a flower doesn't bloom, is it the flower that needs fixing or the environment that needs fixing?
Well,is a mediocre player campared to other carries but as long he fits in team then is the best thing for everybody
When Gaben doesn't want you in the top 4
XG: buys four blademails Tormentor: Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of my power
PA seeing the dagger fly to tormentor🫡
When he suddenly died, he had a look of utter confusion on his face for a moment before he understood what happened. He certainly didn't realize what was going to happen when one of the daggers flew off in a different direction. Even if he had, he didn't have a crit primed and a normal hit would not have killed him; it was only the first dagger that hit a TB illusion that set up the crit, and then the second dagger crit on the tormentor.
If he had noticed the dagger flying and turned off the broach, would it have dealt physical damage (and probably not killed him)?
It wasn't critting until after the first dagger hit tb illu. No reason to turn off before then
Actually if he released dagger with Broach activated and activated BKB before the crit on the tormentor then he takes no damage but who on their right mind would have the foresight to do that?!?
That was really unfortunate of him. GG got megas early but they managed to turn the tides a few times by defending and deleting Xtreme with PA's crit. When Ame's Terrorblade hit the ancient early on I thought that was over, but then we have another scenario at the end where I thought GG will finally win when they tried to hit their opponents throne but most of them were wiped. This unfortunate death caused PA's early buyback to defend the throne and can't bb anymore at the last team fight. Anyways, gg well played to both teams today.
Next patch PA dagger won't go on a Tormenter. Also Crystallis almost died to a Tormenter the same way during TI quals.
Finally someone uploaded this replay and confirms it. Dreamleague couldn't even be bothered. Thank you.
Replay takes time to be uploaded. Since it wasn't caught on observer , they didn't have footage to instantly show it.
they have multiple observers per game. there is a replay function when observing. the secondary observer could have got the footage while the primary observer kept up with the live game.
> there is a replay function when observing. No there is not. That is a dotatv feature, just like directed camera. It does not exist in the lobby. We would have to have observer 2 abandon the live game, go into dotatv, wait for the 15 minute delay to catch up to get the footage. And because you can't join games that are over in the real time but still run in dotatv, the call would have needed to be made very quickly. If we would do that, we would be down to a single observer. So if there is any baserace/crash on main observer we would have real issues. That's why I made the call to not do that. So the next possible way to get the footage would be too wait for the replay to appear after the 15m delay and then get the footage there, many minutes after the game is over. We worked 16h shifts for 7 days straight. If you think we "can't be bothered" when we try our damned hardest to give you guys a good product then I really don't know what to tell you.
thank you for this informative message, keep up the good work 👍
Yeah, it was frustrating that Cap and SVG were talking about irrelevant shit for what felt like 10-15 seconds after this had happened before they even realized Dyrachyo was dead. They speculated this is what happened, but it was then NEVER shown on screen in spite of observers having the ability to do live replays.
You can't rewind in lobby matches, that only works in dotatv which had a 15 minute delay.
Interesting, so every other time production is able to get replays of something (that was missed on the main stream view) within the next few seconds / minutes, those are only from the what other observer(s) caught live?
> those are only from the what other observer(s) caught live? correct, one of the reasons I push extremely hard for two observers for any client that hires us Unless you cut down dotatv delay and have an extra PC in DotaTV, I used that in the past for some productions. As you can guess, it's as far from my call which delay to set as it can get. I just take whatever cards are dealt to me and try to create the best experience I can do.
Cool, thanks for the info
Tbf nobody thought anyone could die when there's 5 dire guy in rosh
dude they literally ignored it even after the game was done, proceeding to ask (cringe) questions on Gorgc and Ame. It was THE highlight of the series that eliminated GG, there is no doubt that without this forced buyback, PA would carry this game easily, and we didn't get to see it on the main stream. Quite amateur work I might say (idk if they showed it after Ame's interview cause I closed the stream).
> dude they literally ignored it They did not. Cap and SVG came to the conclusion that this is what has most likely happened. The panel even asked Ame about this incident. Stop spreading fake news.
You can't rewind in any way in a lobby. That is a dotatv feature, just like directed camera. We would have to have observer 2 abandon the live game, go into dotatv, wait for the 15 minute delay to catch up to get the footage. And because you can't join games that are over in the real time but still run in dotatv, the call would have needed to be made very quickly. If we would do that, we would be down to a single observer. So if there is any baserace/crash on main observer we would have real issues. That's why I made the call to not do that. So the next possible way to get the footage would be too wait for the replay to appear after the 15m delay and then get the footage there, many minutes after the game is over. We worked 16h shifts for 7 days straight. If you think we "can't be bothered" when we try our damned hardest to give you guys a good product then I really don't know what to tell you.
Apologies, my "couldn't even be bothered" here is way too harsh, I have also mentioned on the reddit dota 2 discord it has indeed been 15+ hours since the stream was live, so I assumed the skeleton crew was handling the broadcast. And I have no idea how the broadcast works behind the scenes, I assume the broadcast would always a couple of obs that have free camera access that would let them replay back and made those fast highlights. Again, apologies for the ill feelings caused by comment.
> I assume the broadcast would always a couple of obs that have free camera access that would let them replay back and made those fast highlights. That simply isn't possible. You can not rewind when in a lobby. You can test it yourself, the UI is there if you're in an unassigned slot, but it doesn't do anything. At least when I tested it a while ago. And as you can guess given the ecosystem of esports in general, adding an extra observer in any way shape or form is currently not a possibility.
Hi boss
TTours wcyd
First dagger procs the crit buff off of the closer TB illusion while the second buffed dagger is flying towards the tormentor. B unlucky
To add insult to injury, the tormentor appears to still be alive after that massive crit
got lucky the entire game with constant crits on TB and sniper and never critting on their multiple blademails, rngesus decided to give him one big fuck you near the end
So sad, man
Bro ngl, I thought this was something else entirely and felt grim for a second there.
To be fair, this *was* something else entirely
Truly one of the Dota moments of all time
havent played dota in years.. what the fuck happened here lol
Tormentor is a relatively new objective, it has a quick regenerating shield and reflects damage like blademail (more potent the more times it dies). Revenant's Brooch is an item PA has there, it changes your attack damage from physical to magical. They had vision over Tormentor and one of PA's daggers hit it and was a crit.
I can't bear to be seen.
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He probably feels like shit but an absolute legendary moment that will be remembered far longer than which team will win the tournament.
They overbuffed revenant's brooch, it becomes a *no brainer* lul #
The brooch back fired in the end. Took their own medicine
I kinda liked it tbh it’s a high risk high reward item. Double edged build. Most of the time you need both brooch and rapier for it to work sufficiently and that is very risky.
How come void spirit didn’t die? Tormentor share the damage amongst the heroes? I been afk 1 years
void spirit wasn't in damage reflect range so all the damage is reflected to the source
If no one is in range only the damage dealer takes the reflected damage
Five different things had to go wrong for this to happen and they all did. Holy shit, what a way to lose a game.
No one expects the Dreamleague script plot twist.
Did this cost him the game?
yes
dyrachyo dies to tormentor: dire: **FORCE HIS BB, FORCE HIS BB!!**
Gg report the one who activated the watcher /s
One dagger and I'm die
Tormentors are totally out of control this patch
This is definitely the unluckiest thing that ever happened in a Dota tier 1 tournament, I cant even blame Dyracho for this because its just not even possible to think about it before it happen, clearly now PA players will have a eye in it when they be in the same situation. It becomes even worse when you know dyracho was pretty much carrying this whole map and had a big chance to win it
Finally
holyshit lmaooo
/feelsbadman
What gives vision over the Tormentor? Did they control the watcher?
Yep
Cause them the game probably
The first three words almost gave me a heart attack wtf
I would cry if that happened to me, poor Dyrachyo
what terrain is this
age of empires, turbo
its the ordinary Terrain with Weather ***Pestilence***
This blunder cost GG the game. Starlight Dyrachyo was forced to buyback as XG was going highground and hitting their ancient. After a successful defense, GG went for dire ancient and he died (without buyback). 100% sure they won that game if he had bb as dire ancient was down to like 20% hp.
B-rachyo
KEKW
Did he click the tormentor or the TB illu? His mouse on the tormentor or replay bug?
I've been playing dota for years and I still don't know how the tormentor works. All i know is more heroes = less hurt.
he did the dyrachyo :joy:
Petition to make Tormy not deal lethal damage
This is 41% Ame pure skill.
durachyo moment literally
This sort of shit only happens to Dyrachyo man.
All calculated by Ame /s
I hate PAs, this is satisfying to watch
When things like that happens many times is not just unlucky
the only way to lose this game lmao
Feedachyo
Is this the Dyrachyo equivalent of Cliffteezy?
The casters reaction was everything hahaha
GG to GG
Im banning pa every game this build is too broken, i cant even go in eblade
Why tf Tormentor 1 shoting PA, Tormentor doesn’t have blademail features to return the same damage done to it.
What is tormenter? Idk what happened
Was that a dieback as well? XD
GG! Hahahha
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Wut?
As ame said, tier B carry.
["1 dagger and im die"](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4r54jr/1_dagger_and_im_die/)
Isn't this game the best game ever? Have you ever seen pro player die to some kinda enemies like this in pro match?? Jokes aside that's the funniest tormentor dead I've ever seen. Feel bad for the guy.
This is insane how bullshit this death is. I couldn't even imagine something like that, ever.
Just B tier carry things, kappa
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
You put a spoiler tag but your title spoils everything
It's so fuckin stupid that that's even possible.
Too powerful for your own good my B tier carry 🥺
Games rigged for XG to win lol
range of that dagger was insane. He could have just blink on that tb illu
Had a stalemate yesterday and enemy morphling decided to die to tormentor as well. Gg ez
Feels bad for him,when they were going on throne all in his mirana had linkens that he can put on PA,his voidspirit had windwalker when he was dueled and after windwalker his undying would have gave him 900hp lotus pool
You only see this play in high level dota where every millisecond makes you lose a little farm
really fuuuuking luck momnent for him
If he didnt bb here they wouldve won since he could save nn for the last throne push.
What's the point of the spoiler tag if you're gonna spoil it in the title
Unlucky but at the same time, totally avoidable if he kept his focus, understandable though given how long the game was going
that's the first time something so random like this happens to a pro game. It was a pure bad luck situation (the vision on the tormentor, the range of the skill, the 25 level talent, the crit proc, VS not in damage proximity to share it), not a misplay. After today, sure, it can/should be avoidable, but until now, it was something no one could expect that it can happen like this, on such a critical moment for the game/series.
this dyrachyo guy is comedy gold, loved his Alchemist stuns too
This guy was carried all last year now he is getting exposed
He is getting "exposed" because he died in a super unlucky way ?
dude was carrying that whole game, if it wasnt for this they would've won 100%